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00:02:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:26 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 00:14:37 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 00:17:38 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:19:41 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:30:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15551 /trunk/src/depot.cpp: -Fix [FS#2656]: [NoAI] crash when setting a depot order to the southern part of a ship depot 00:30:59 <Rubidium> palindrome time ;) 00:31:11 <smeding> lepel 00:31:16 <smeding> that's about as far as i go 00:31:20 <Rubidium> radar 00:31:27 <glx> ada 00:31:53 <smeding> q 00:32:00 <Rubidium> "baas neem een racecar neem een saab" 00:32:16 <glx> nice one 00:32:18 <smeding> heh that one's nice 00:32:26 <glx> hard to to in another language 00:32:58 <Rubidium> http://graywyvern.blogspot.com/2004/09/angel-of-death-palindrome-poem-i.html ;) 00:33:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B777B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76739.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:12 *** Felicitu1 [~timo@p3EE3CB76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:27 <Sacro> able was i ere i saw elba 00:41:11 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3E274.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 00:42:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:51:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has joined #openttd 00:51:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:55:09 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 00:57:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34854.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 01:09:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:13:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 01:14:48 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:42 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:08 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:35:32 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177225123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:43:02 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177226176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-3-39.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:45:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has joined #openttd 01:48:09 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:53:30 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:11:59 <db48x> this Altamir guy must be slightly insane 02:12:47 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:02 <db48x> I guess no one can say that realism is _always_ a bad thing 02:22:09 <Rubidium> should we know that guy? 02:22:12 <Belugas_nomade> nope indeed 02:22:22 <Belugas_nomade> a real girl is always a good thing 02:22:28 <Belugas_nomade> compared to a virtual one 02:22:41 *** Belugas_nomade [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24:21 <db48x> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=41372 02:24:46 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:34 <Nite_Owl> he just likes to play that way 02:27:39 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 02:27:44 <db48x> clearly 02:27:59 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:28:04 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 02:30:11 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:46 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Bekugas_nomade 02:32:30 *** Bekugas_nomade is now known as Belugas_nomade 02:34:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80994.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:32 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B833EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:35:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:42:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:07 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 02:49:53 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-161-16-167.range86-161.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:50:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.97.28] has quit [Quit: tuiQ] 02:50:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:03 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.24] has joined #openttd 02:52:21 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15552 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix (r15544): some compiler/OS combinations don't like closing the same FD twice and zlib's docs weren't very clear about whether it would close a FD it didn't open. 03:01:08 <Felicitu1> insane? insane is if you try to put like 10 different database servers on a 1ghz box with 512 mb ram :) 03:01:51 <Rubidium> nah, that ain't insane 03:02:01 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:02 <glx> depends on the query amount 03:02:16 <Felicitu1> good point 03:02:21 <Felicitu1> query amount = 0 at the moment 03:02:33 <Felicitu1> basically a test box 03:02:42 <Felicitu1> but i'm not sure if i start the tests, how the tests will perform 03:02:46 * Rubidium looks at a random MySQL server 03:02:46 <Felicitu1> might be hard to tell at the end 03:02:54 <Rubidium> uses only 27 MB of memory 03:03:55 <Rubidium> and PostgreSQL seems to be using roughly the same amount 03:03:55 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:11 <Felicitu1> yes, but oracle is a littlebit more hungry 03:04:45 <db48x> erm 03:04:51 <db48x> I don't suppose you guys have seen my car keys? 03:05:10 <Rubidium> they're in the ignition 03:05:21 <Rubidium> or whatever it's called 03:05:23 <Felicitu1> SELECT location FROM keys WHERE owner='db48x'; 03:05:24 <Felicitu1> ;) 03:05:31 <db48x> that's what I need 03:05:49 <db48x> I checked the car/ignition 03:06:08 <Nite_Owl> do you have pets 03:06:14 <db48x> no 03:06:17 <Felicitu1> you'd just have to write an interface where it automatically updates the location of your keys in the database ;) 03:06:21 <db48x> thankfully 03:06:22 <Rubidium> Felicitu1: but Oracle's installer probably won't even start on that machine 03:06:49 <glx> db48x: usually they are where you left them ;) 03:06:53 <Felicitu1> Rubidium: it's a gentoo box, so i had to install it manually 03:06:54 <Nite_Owl> have you eaten anything recently 03:07:18 <db48x> yes, but the aluminum content was quite low 03:07:34 <Felicitu1> but it works, for now. db2, oracle, sybase, firebird, mysql, postgresql so far 03:07:48 <Felicitu1> still missing sapdb and interbase 03:08:14 <db48x> Felicitu1: why, exactly? 03:08:19 <db48x> compatibility testing? 03:09:02 <Rubidium> SQL is like HTML and SQL servers are like webbrowsers; it all looks similar, but nothing complex works correctly in all 03:09:08 <Nite_Owl> did what you ate comer from the pantry or from the fridge 03:09:20 <db48x> the fridge 03:09:25 <Rubidium> Felicitu1: no dbase? 03:09:25 <db48x> freezer, to be precise 03:09:31 <db48x> Rubidium: very true 03:09:43 <Nite_Owl> check the freezer for your keys 03:10:28 <Felicitu1> Rubidium: do they have a "free" edition? 03:10:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:10:52 <db48x> alas, nothing 03:11:07 <Rubidium> no clue; I used to work with version 4, but apparantly the latest version is 2.something 03:11:07 <Felicitu1> db48x: development purposes. i have to make sure that my ORM adapter works correctly on all these databases 03:11:18 * db48x nods 03:11:48 <Nite_Owl> did you check your pants pockets 03:11:51 <Rubidium> but then, dbase probably doesn't do sql 03:12:18 <Felicitu1> i dont know, never worked with that 03:12:26 <Nite_Owl> or coat pockets 03:13:33 <Felicitu1> Rubidium: is dbase widely used in companies? 03:14:57 <db48x> I did 03:15:06 <Rubidium> it has been the best selling DB for a few years 03:16:00 <Felicitu1> hmm i wonder if it has a client/server architecture, german wikipedia only tells alot about the desktop stuff 03:16:19 <Nite_Owl> then a room by room grid search is the only other option 03:16:42 <Rubidium> Felicitu1: you shouldn't forget MSSQL though 03:17:08 <glx> good luck ;) 03:17:16 <Felicitu1> yes, but that doesn't run on a gentoo box ;) 03:17:37 <Rubidium> tss... 03:17:40 <db48x> sure it will 03:17:43 <Felicitu1> db48x: how? 03:17:49 <Rubidium> e.g. virtualbox 03:17:57 <db48x> you can cram an virtual machine on there I'm sure 03:18:07 <Rubidium> though mono and/or wine might do the job too 03:18:11 <Felicitu1> well, erm....yes, but not on that box with that amount of memory 03:18:21 <Felicitu1> i rather install the express edition on my desktop and use that for testing 03:18:48 <Rubidium> a windows VM works fine with only 200 MB 03:19:29 <Felicitu1> hmm 03:19:31 <Felicitu1> maybe later 03:19:32 <Felicitu1> :) 03:20:34 <Felicitu1> now it's time to continue work on the ai 03:21:36 <Rubidium> for added fun you should install a non-Western Windows, like Korean ;) 03:22:02 <db48x> oh yes 03:22:15 <Rubidium> provides nice test cases for your application w.r.t. support for non-ASCII paths ;) 03:22:58 <db48x> many new and exciting bugs will come crawling out of the woodwork 03:24:21 <Felicitu1> i know, i experienced alot of odd things, especially when converting an old webserver to a new one - default charset was changed to UTF-8. took quite alot of time WHERE the wrong conversion is 03:25:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:27:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76739.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76739.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 03:34:22 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:52 *** Belugas_nomade [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35:29 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:41:43 <db48x> mmm, character set/encoding conversions 03:44:30 <db48x> text is always so deceptively simple 03:45:42 <Felicitu1> yes 03:45:56 <Felicitu1> but inbetween the app and the database are quite a few conversions 03:46:14 <db48x> there shouldn't be 03:47:08 <Felicitu1> if configured correctly, yes. but the app author assumed iso-8859-1, php was configured for using utf-8 and assuming the database was iso-8859-1, but the database was utf-8 :) 03:47:11 <db48x> the database should hold text data on the same format your program deals with it 03:47:20 <db48x> heh 03:47:46 <db48x> and the program should always deal with unicode 03:47:56 <Felicitu1> yes - but that programmer didnt set anything and relied that the system administor (aka me) set the defaults correctly :( 03:48:19 <db48x> and for most programs, that unicode should be encoded in utf-8 or perhaps utf-16 if you have to deal with the windows api much 03:48:40 <Felicitu1> heh 03:48:48 <Felicitu1> if it was windows, i'd be happy 03:48:53 <db48x> oh? 03:48:54 <Felicitu1> but php coders always do ugly bulls* :) 03:49:08 <db48x> ah, yes. I've worked on php projects before 03:49:54 <Felicitu1> me too, and i still do it 03:50:00 <db48x> I don't think I ever will again 03:50:10 <Felicitu1> that's why there's now a need for a good ORM adapter 03:50:18 <db48x> heh 03:51:04 <db48x> have you ever used common lisp? 03:51:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:51:45 <db48x> databases can be so easy. in common lisp the macros that you use to define a class can be overridden to both define the class and also the sql table that instances of that class will be stored in 03:52:22 <Felicitu1> no, never used that 03:53:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 03:53:54 <db48x> of course, there are half a dozen different (and incompatible) implementations of that 03:54:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:55:08 <Felicitu1> :) 03:55:42 <Felicitu1> well actually i need a complete solution, where application server and persistence server are seperated, are scalable if required, or can be built embedded 03:56:45 <db48x> right 03:58:19 <Felicitu1> ? 03:59:31 <db48x> everyone needs all of that :) 03:59:54 <Felicitu1> yes, so why isnt there such a solution :) 03:59:58 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:21 <db48x> usually when I'm developing an app (especially in CL) I start with an SQLite database, and only later change the logic for opening/closing the database so that it uses a "real" server 04:00:25 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:00:29 <db48x> other than that, there are no other changes 04:00:45 <Felicitu1> almost every project i've been working on had these problems, because the management decided "oh we dont need multiple database support", "oh we dont need scalability, our app is performant enough to run on a single server" in the first place 04:03:09 <db48x> heh 04:03:22 <Felicitu1> do you know the cms contenido? 04:05:13 <db48x> no, I don't 04:05:46 <Felicitu1> hmm, well, i used to be one of the main developers from 2003-2006 04:06:12 <Felicitu1> in the beginning, my task was only to extend the system, but lateron they decided to use contenido for every kind of application, related to web applications 04:06:39 <Felicitu1> of course, the system wasn't prepared for that and each and every extension was quite a big mess 04:07:34 <Felicitu1> so what i basically want to develop is a system for applications which are scalable from the beginning on, without requiring the developer to take special care of it 04:08:12 <db48x> mmm 04:08:16 <db48x> heard of Erlang? 04:08:30 <Felicitu1> no 04:08:36 <Felicitu1> googlin' 04:08:46 <db48x> it's a programming language that forces you (sorta) to develop in an easily parralellizable style 04:09:12 <db48x> so your test machine will be a single computer, but the live install might be a hundred machines, and the code is no different 04:09:28 <Felicitu1> well, the system must be implemented in a common language, so the apps also run virtually everywhere 04:09:59 <db48x> each subsection of your program is developed as an independant process, with no ability to share state or memory with any other process except via message passing 04:10:03 <db48x> yea, you have to install a runtime 04:10:10 <db48x> but it's open source, so it's not too bad 04:10:35 <db48x> a large program might have 80,000 of these lightweight processes running at once, on a single machine 04:10:42 <db48x> or on a dozen 04:10:49 <db48x> or on a hundred 04:11:22 <Felicitu1> i'm not sure what the overall layout will look like, but using PHP as programming language for the actual application implementation seems to be the only way. persistence server and application server itself can be implemented in another language 04:11:33 <Felicitu1> its a littlebit like an SAP system, where the applications itself are written in ABAP 04:16:08 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:16:09 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:34:22 *** michi_cc [7215ee085d@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:05 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-161-16-167.range86-161.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:49:10 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 04:59:38 *** Maarten- is now known as Maarten 05:06:07 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 05:21:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:23:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 05:43:38 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:06:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has joined #openttd 07:09:30 *** entropy [~maeror@host-204-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #openttd 07:12:02 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:07 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 07:14:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F7FB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:15:54 *** entropy [~maeror@host-204-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: terrorisme islamique] 07:42:23 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:10 *** michi_cc [09fbd1d5bf@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 08:02:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 08:10:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has joined #openttd 08:15:41 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 08:15:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 08:22:37 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:34 <Felicitu1> ahh, another won game on kurt's :) time for smoke 08:30:56 <De_ghosty> MORE BUGS IN PBS 08:30:57 <De_ghosty> :D 08:31:13 <De_ghosty> i know exactly how to build it itin 08:38:37 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.45.233] has joined #openttd 08:40:16 <petern> there are no pbs! 08:40:45 <petern> bugs in 08:41:36 <Felicitu1> insane. let the AI build a two line track and auto placing signals plus depots is easier than i guessed 08:43:09 <Felicitu1> btw, if someone has nice station layouts he likes to see in the felicitus AI, just send me a screenshot :) 08:46:36 <petern> pom te pom 08:48:15 <Felicitu1> ? 09:02:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:02:13 <Wolf01> hello 09:03:39 <el_en> hello 09:05:23 <planetmaker> Felicitu1: I want to see how it builds :). Get a damn first version uploaded to bananas and care about single newgrf support later then :) 09:05:58 <planetmaker> and a wonderful good morning to all :) 09:06:55 <De_ghosty> yea i found a buz 09:07:02 <De_ghosty> u want it peter? 09:07:25 <planetmaker> bugs go to bugs.openttd.org 09:07:55 <De_ghosty> :o 09:08:03 <De_ghosty> why do you do that to me?!!? 09:08:09 <De_ghosty> i hate registerinbg 09:08:15 <De_ghosty> cuz i can't rememberz 09:08:20 <De_ghosty> can i just send save to u? 09:08:22 <Rubidium> then there is no bug 09:08:28 <De_ghosty> alright then 09:08:34 <De_ghosty> there is no bug 09:08:53 <planetmaker> De_ghosty: just use one stupid login+pw for all the stuff you don't want to register to but don't want 09:09:19 <De_ghosty> geeze 09:09:50 <planetmaker> -want (in a proper place) 09:09:59 <De_ghosty> omgz send code....... 09:10:41 <Felicitu1> howdy planetmaker : 09:10:43 <Felicitu1> :) 09:10:55 <Felicitu1> planetmaker: well, as it is now, it would build a single line + train then stops 09:11:04 <planetmaker> oh :) 09:11:16 <planetmaker> I thought it would build more than one line :) 09:11:18 <Felicitu1> but i dont want to have a basic version and then extend it later 09:11:21 <Felicitu1> no not yet 09:11:25 <Felicitu1> i hope i can do that today 09:11:30 <planetmaker> nice. 09:11:34 <Felicitu1> but i first want the "extending stations" stuff done 09:11:40 <Felicitu1> because thats important 09:11:47 <planetmaker> From what I read from you, it sounds quite promising 09:12:03 <Felicitu1> well i am pretty excited myself, because things went so smoothly 09:12:17 <planetmaker> it was also you with the pathfinder with the faster, but not necessarily best way, right? 09:12:25 <Felicitu1> yes 09:12:33 *** Felicitu1 is now known as Felcitus 09:12:59 <Felcitus> i planned that i use the aystar pathfinder only for the first line(s), as the line network stuff operates a littlebit different 09:17:17 <Felcitus> btw, is the Pathfinder.Rail done by truebrain or someone else? 09:17:50 <Rubidium> Yexo IIRC 09:18:14 <Felcitus> okay, i have to ask him nicely if he can add a multiplicator to _estimate ;) 09:18:28 <petern> multiplicator? 09:18:38 <Felcitus> yes, to speed up the line planning 09:19:12 <petern> multiplier? 09:19:17 <Felcitus> yes, multiplier 09:23:14 <Felcitus> hmm, a nice feature i could add later is to track the usage of a built line...if the line is near max capacity, the ai could extend to a 4-track main line *yay* 09:24:45 <De_ghosty> which makes the junction expoentially harder to make 09:25:32 <Felcitus> De_ghosty: junctions are template-based in my ai, it will be just as easy as extending/upgrading stations 09:26:39 <Felcitus> so i'm looking forward for the ai to build things like http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Transmogrified and http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Dual_Tetrathorp-Junction 09:33:56 <planetmaker> yes, multiplier 09:33:58 <planetmaker> [10:22] <Felcitus> hmm, a nice feature i could add later is to track the usage of a built line...if the line is near max capacity, the ai could extend to a 4-track main line *yay* <-- that'd be scary :P 09:34:53 <Felcitus> why? :) there must be some challenge for the pros :) 09:35:06 <planetmaker> hehe 09:35:14 <planetmaker> True 09:35:29 <Felcitus> okay, to be honest, the only f***in reason i write this AI is because i do not want to connect everything on a 2048x2048 map by myself :P 09:37:08 <planetmaker> Lol! 09:37:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:15 <De_ghosty> lol 09:38:20 <De_ghosty> he is gonna join mutiplayer game 09:38:24 <De_ghosty> and set his ai on hihg 09:39:32 <Felcitus> silence! 09:41:48 <Felcitus> don't tell others my trick :P 09:45:38 <planetmaker> He, yeah, Kurt's server are easy :P 09:45:54 <Felcitus> it depends against whom you play 09:46:11 <planetmaker> sure :) 09:46:51 <planetmaker> when I joined with two mates, the others gave up after 6 years :P 09:47:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAEa602.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:47:42 <planetmaker> but might be that coop is frowned upon on that server. dunno 09:48:40 <Felcitus> no, coop is allowed, but if you coop you only get half of the points 09:48:55 <Felcitus> *sniff* 09:49:07 <planetmaker> doesn't matter. We tried twice. Easy going each time 09:49:12 <Felcitus> it builds stations prepared for dual line, but it doesnt build the dual line :( 09:49:25 <planetmaker> but fun :) 09:49:26 <Felcitus> happy bug hunting :( 09:49:38 <planetmaker> (not the bugs) 09:50:00 <Felcitus> :) 09:50:06 <Felcitus> lol okay i found the bug 09:50:14 <Felcitus> and well....uhm...yes...the pathfinder needs to be optimized 09:50:20 <Felcitus> it builds bridges over its own tracks! 09:50:27 <planetmaker> lol 09:50:37 <planetmaker> sounds like the old AI :P 09:51:25 <Felcitus> ok, a multiplier of 1.5 did the trick 09:53:56 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I guess you can close the first fs entry from De_ghosty 09:54:00 <planetmaker> concerning pbs. 09:56:02 <planetmaker> I don't know what exactly the bug is - but it sent our PS into an endless loop 09:56:29 <planetmaker> might be a duplicate of something reportet even earlier - if that wasn't fixed now. Don't remember 09:56:36 <De_ghosty> o 09:56:45 <De_ghosty> the ps one was weird 09:58:03 <planetmaker> ... nor do I find the other FS entry 09:59:01 <planetmaker> it's IMO a critical bug. It poses means to shoot a server into nirvana 10:00:25 <planetmaker> by malicious players :P 10:00:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:11:28 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:11:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:13:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:14:00 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:14:05 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 10:18:49 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:53 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:28:02 <el_en> Bjarni! 10:35:54 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.23.197.135] has joined #openttd 10:36:20 <Felcitus> hmm, this doesn't work as expected: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=106293 10:38:10 <Roest> what did you expect? 10:38:27 <Felcitus> that it connects the oil to an oil refinery :) 10:38:41 <Felcitus> but instead, it built a loop for some reason 10:38:59 <insulfrog> hi 10:39:02 <planetmaker> he 10:39:59 * petern wonders if he left autosaves on :o 10:40:19 <planetmaker> that's not quite the layout as described in your thread, Felcitus :) - it' symmetric now :P 10:40:35 <petern> hmm 10:40:38 <Felcitus> :P 10:40:59 <planetmaker> is it meant to be a two-way station? 10:41:00 <petern> apparently i did 10:41:06 <Felcitus> planetmaker: yes 10:41:21 <Felcitus> but for some reason it decided to connect to itself 10:41:22 <planetmaker> (I'm not talking of roro) 10:41:32 <Felcitus> oh well no 10:41:36 <Roest> if sorting by cargo capacity doesn't work for trams is that more a problem of the game or of the grf? 10:41:36 <planetmaker> I wonder about the depots at both sides of the station 10:41:56 <Felcitus> good point 10:42:07 <Felcitus> i guess it built the roro start and end station at the same spot 10:42:17 <planetmaker> he 10:42:24 <Felcitus> that explain why it connected to itself 10:42:43 <Felcitus> HEH 10:42:46 <Felcitus> i found the reason :) 10:42:54 <Felcitus> the oil refinery was closed down during construction 10:43:22 <Felcitus> and i think the station builder got the old coordinates then 10:44:15 <planetmaker> :) 10:44:15 <planetmaker> The company could also pour all the oil into the water well. Would make people happy, I guess :P 10:44:23 <planetmaker> oh. :) 10:44:34 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 10:44:44 <planetmaker> Yeah, all those nice things which happen during construction 10:47:51 <petern> hmm 10:48:23 <petern> the network server 'loading a game when a game is loaded' problem still exists :( 10:48:57 <Rubidium> the what problem? 10:50:16 <Rubidium> is that related to the 'save preset' segfault? 10:52:57 <petern> er 10:53:01 <petern> no 10:53:18 <petern> aww 10:53:19 <petern> Error: [net] Trying to execute a packet in the past! 10:53:19 <petern> openttd: /home/petern/ottd/svn/0.7.0-beta1/src/openttd.cpp:115: void error(const char*, ...): Assertion `0' failed. 10:53:29 <petern> which is quite funky for a server :p 10:53:38 <Rubidium> already solved that 10:57:23 <petern> okay 10:57:36 <petern> i meant to look at it months ago but forgot :p 10:57:54 *** optimalc [~me@host48-24.etanet.se] has joined #openttd 10:57:59 *** optimalc [~me@host48-24.etanet.se] has quit [] 11:00:27 *** fonsinchen_ [~fonsinche@BAEeb2d.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:01:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34854.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34854.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:05:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAEa602.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:33 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm18.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:08:00 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:17 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:18:50 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has joined #openttd 11:23:44 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.23.197.135] has left #openttd [] 11:25:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has joined #openttd 11:26:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34854.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:57 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34854.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:34:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:07 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad00e86.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:37:07 *** bleepy is now known as Guest147 11:37:07 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 11:39:06 *** Belugas_nomade [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:03 *** Guest147 [bleepy@5ad34854.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:27 *** Jag [~Jag@89.190.35.177] has joined #openttd 11:52:46 <Jag> hello 11:54:26 <Alberth> hello 12:01:32 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:15:12 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 12:15:25 *** welterde [welterde@2001:470:1f0b:592::1337] has joined #openttd 12:15:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.77.236] has joined #openttd 12:15:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:51 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has joined #openttd 12:19:53 *** michi_cc [09fbd1d5bf@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 12:20:07 *** michi_cc [2bc0499b60@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:23:50 <Felcitus> planetmaker: i have good news for you :) 12:23:57 <planetmaker> hm? 12:24:29 <Felcitus> i'm almost done with a preview version 12:25:03 <planetmaker> nice! 12:25:55 <Felcitus> i just have to find out why it doesn't build a depot sometimes, even if there is an error handling 12:26:29 <Mortomes> http://eviljaymz.com/files/whypeopleseemtohavefreetime.png 12:31:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:06 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:23 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-128-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:52 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-175-85.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:58 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad923fd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:58 *** bleepy is now known as Guest153 12:39:59 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 12:41:19 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923fd.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:26 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923fd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:26 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923fd.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 12:41:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923fd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923fd.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 12:41:28 <Bjarni> Mortomes: according to that overview I would be web developer, sysadmin, hacker and programmer today... yet I don't feel like I have free time :s 12:41:50 <Mortomes> Bjarni: You're doing something wrong then :P 12:42:04 <Bjarni> yeah 12:42:17 <Bjarni> I should have been a programmer in the 80's 12:42:51 <Bjarni> their union stated that they were not allowed to get other tasks while their code compiled so they had pool tables and stuff 12:43:03 <Bjarni> because compilers of that age were kind of slow 12:45:01 <KingJ> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png 12:45:21 <KenjiE20> ^ was wondering when that'd show up :P 12:46:03 <KingJ> It was a race to see who would post it first 12:46:11 *** Guest153 [bleepy@5ad00e86.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:23 <Felcitus> hmm, have there been some changes to the acceleration of trains? a cs2400 in tropical with 19 wagons climbing a height difference of 1 takes nearly forever :( 12:52:51 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:36 <Felcitus> planetmaker: tgz or zip? 12:53:49 <planetmaker> I don't care, Felcitus 12:53:54 <Felcitus> ok 12:56:17 <Felcitus> planetmaker: http://www.timohummel.com/temp/felicitus-ai-0.1.tgz 12:56:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:56:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fec9f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:42 <Felcitus> you need to make sure that it loads the bundled libraries (or at least the rail pathfinder) 12:56:59 <Tefad> ack. i clicked on open gfx in the onlinecontent thing 12:57:02 <Tefad> now i have black boxes 12:57:15 <Tefad> how do i revert? 12:57:22 <planetmaker> ok Felcitus :) Will try. I think I have those 12:57:32 <planetmaker> it should load them automatically then, I think, right? 12:57:45 <Felcitus> i don't know what happens if you have libraries from the content download 12:57:46 <KenjiE20> Tefad; game options 12:57:55 <Tefad> oh i see. thanks 12:58:01 <planetmaker> well. That's where I have them from, yes 12:58:04 <Felcitus> it's important that you have the bundled one, because there's a change by me. i need to talk to yexo if he can include that in his railpathfinder 12:58:06 <Tefad> wow. that was easy 12:59:04 <Felcitus> and dont be disappointed - right now it simply tries to connect anything on the map. so nothing spectacular for now. i need to work on the station upgrade later, but now i finally need some sleep 12:59:50 <Felcitus> but if there's some trouble with the AI (like: it dont populate the line with a train or such), it would be interesting to know 13:01:19 <Felcitus> last cigarette for today, and in the meanwhile i let FelicitusAI and AdmiralAI play against each other :P 13:02:06 * Bjarni points out that Felcitus is in a no smoking area 13:07:02 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:07:03 <KingJ> Hmm, activating the game speed boost seems to do nothing now, wonder if 700 trains and 700 road vehicles is too much 13:07:44 <KingJ> plus a 100 or so ships and 50 aircraft 13:07:56 <petern> it just means your computer is too slow 13:07:59 <petern> to run it faster 13:08:12 <KingJ> And OTTD isn't SMP aware is it? 13:08:31 <petern> only where it can be 13:09:46 <Tefad> save/load i think is most often eh? 13:10:56 <KingJ> I've got a Q9550, running at standard 2.8GHz 13:11:21 <Tefad> i don't think anything above 2x CPU helps 13:11:42 <Felcitus> time for bed 13:11:43 <Felcitus> good night 13:11:46 *** Felcitus [~timo@p3EE3CB76.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:11:59 <KingJ> Also running cargo/passenger destinations, which also adds extra load I guess 13:12:38 <KingJ> And running at quite a high resolution 13:12:58 *** fonsinchen_ [~fonsinche@BAEeb2d.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:05 <Tefad> large maps i think are the most demanding 13:13:15 <KingJ> 2048^2 map too 13:13:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:06 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 13:19:26 <planetmaker> he... 13:19:29 <planetmaker> darn. 13:25:45 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:25:56 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has joined #openttd 13:29:14 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.166.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:15 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm18.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:01 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:41:39 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:02:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:19:01 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:22:21 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:25:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has joined #openttd 14:31:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:34:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 14:36:56 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.23.197.135] has joined #openttd 14:37:16 <insulfrog> hi all 14:39:13 <insulfrog> I have a quick question 14:39:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet674.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:40:05 <insulfrog> is it possible to have co-operative play with a 'NoAI' computer player? 14:40:39 <glx> no 14:41:32 <insulfrog> ah, thanks :) 14:42:14 <insulfrog> (be nice to do that though :p ) 14:44:17 <insulfrog> a NoAI does roads and air transport while a person does rails 14:44:20 * insulfrog dreams 14:51:57 <Tefad> yeah until the AI eats all your cash 14:54:19 <insulfrog> well yeah, that'll be the problem 14:58:14 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.1.38] has joined #openttd 15:02:34 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:53 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.77.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:53 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 15:11:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:13:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAEeb2d.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:13:11 <Ammler> something changed with autosave filenames? 15:13:29 <glx> why? 15:13:36 <frosch123> for dedicated servers: yes 15:13:46 <Ammler> really ugly names now on our server :-) 15:14:10 <Ammler> not loadable over ap anymore :-( 15:14:11 <glx> then keep_all_autosave is true :) 15:14:23 <Ammler> ah, thanks. 15:17:07 <Ammler> in general, openttd should "filter" the company name before using it as filename 15:17:27 <Ammler> we have also many troubles here, if someone publish his screens :-) 15:17:32 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:25 <Ammler> !ip 15:18:42 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 15:18:51 <Ammler> sorry :-$ 15:19:12 *** glx is now known as Guest170 15:19:12 *** glx|away is now known as glx 15:21:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:00 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:10 <fonsinchen> I want to use the route map from cargodest as capacity indicator, that is, I'd like to annotate the edges with the maximum capacity they can carry in a given timeframe. I already have a way to calculate the capacities. Is there a recommended way to print them as strings in the minimap? 15:25:30 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@82.95.127.26] has joined #openttd 15:25:31 *** Guest170 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:24 <planetmaker> is there a way to set the filename for autosaves? 15:28:39 <glx> not that I remember 15:30:33 <frosch123> you can change the format of the date 15:31:19 <planetmaker> yeah. I found the date format 15:31:31 <planetmaker> The problem I have is the spaces in the file names. 15:31:52 <glx> do you really need to keep all ? 15:31:55 <planetmaker> They tend to pose difficulties with shell environments 15:32:24 <planetmaker> glx: No, I don't need all, but saves of maybe a half a day or so, by the minute or two minutes 15:32:28 <frosch123> change STR_GAME_SAVELOAD_SPECTATOR_SAVEGAME 15:33:26 <planetmaker> frosch123: that's a patch then :) 15:33:26 <glx> you can change max_num_autosaves 15:33:40 <planetmaker> glx: the number of saves is not a problem. The filename 15:33:43 <glx> and disable keep_all_autosave 15:33:59 <planetmaker> we disabled keep_all_autosave 15:34:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:34:08 <planetmaker> set max_num_autosaves = 255 15:34:26 <planetmaker> -rw-r--r-- 1 openttd users 535706 2009-02-22 16:32 Wandering Waters LtD, 1st Feb 2030.sav 15:34:32 <planetmaker> which gives us these results 15:34:41 <glx> then there's a bug :) 15:35:08 <glx> ** Create an autosave. The default name is "autosave#.sav". However with 15:35:08 <glx> * the setting 'keep_all_autosave' the name defaults to company-name + date */ 15:36:05 <glx> and the code clearly does that 15:36:10 <petern> it does 15:36:18 <petern> so you must have keep_all_autosave enabled 15:36:44 <fonsinchen> OK, to rephrase it a bit: Why is "static char *FormatNoCommaNumber(char *buff, int64 number, const char *last)" static? 15:36:58 <fonsinchen> in strings.cpp 15:37:07 <glx> because it's used only from this file 15:37:19 <fonsinchen> I want to use it somewhere else 15:37:24 <petern> no you don't 15:37:26 <fonsinchen> Or is there an alternative? 15:37:29 <petern> you want to draw strings 15:37:33 <fonsinchen> yes 15:37:41 <fonsinchen> a string consisting of a single number. 15:37:43 <glx> then DrawString :) 15:38:38 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.45.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:58 <dihedral> glx, is there also a GoFish()? 15:39:22 <fonsinchen> How do I get a StringID for my numbers? 15:39:44 <planetmaker> hm... right. Obviously two many people mess up things. Sorry, glx. It works 15:39:55 <planetmaker> s/two/too/ 15:40:01 <planetmaker> ,though too many = two :P 15:40:25 <planetmaker> probably simultaneous editing of the cfg :* 15:40:30 <planetmaker> :P 15:43:50 <Ammler> planetmaker: :P 15:44:09 <Ammler> openttd needed a restart 15:45:32 * planetmaker hugs Ammler 15:45:32 <glx> STR_00E2, STR_00E3, STR_01CB, STR_01E5, STR_0212, STR_021F, STR_7024, STR_TINY_BLACK, STR_GROUP_TINY_NUM 15:45:48 <glx> fonsinchen: all these draw just a number 15:46:16 <glx> the right one depends on what you want to draw exactly 15:46:21 <fonsinchen> Ah, so I do a SetDParam and then call DrawString with that ID? 15:46:27 <glx> yes 15:46:33 <fonsinchen> thanks 15:46:53 <glx> some specify color and/or size 15:47:13 <fonsinchen> I'll try them and see what looks best 15:48:09 <glx> better look for them in english.txt first :) 15:48:26 <petern> stringid lottery? 15:48:31 <fonsinchen> ah, ok 15:52:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-159-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:57:26 *** Jolteon [~jolteon@5acb31bf.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:57:31 <Jolteon> Howdy. 15:57:36 <Jolteon> I require assistance. 15:57:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:58:06 <Jolteon> I cannot build a train station, it says "Can't build train station" in true OpenTTD useless help message style. 15:58:34 <KenjiE20> where, what and how 15:58:36 <planetmaker> as reported in true useless bug report style 15:58:43 <Jolteon> ..........wat? 15:59:48 <Jolteon> http://easytohide.info/imagehost/images/r74ynwscyjddqfozbzx3.png 15:59:52 <planetmaker> e.g. describe what you _want_ to achieve, what you actually _did_ and when and where it exactly failed (from your expectations) 15:59:59 <Jolteon> Ignore the hideous aspect of GTFO I'M BUILDING IN UR CITY. 16:00:14 <Jolteon> the council didn't approve of my actions, so i turned on the cheat and just demolished half of it. 16:00:26 <Jolteon> I bribed the council and built trees to get it back up to reasonable liking of me. 16:00:46 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:00:51 <dihedral> [16:58] <Jolteon> I require assistance. <- require as much as you like, people dont usually like the word though ;-) 16:01:13 <Alberth> maybe the city just started a new building in your cleared aera? 16:01:29 <Jolteon> Alberth: no, i've tried that. 16:01:55 *** worldemar [~world@62.106.105.34] has joined #openttd 16:02:03 <dihedral> you must build a 2 track wide station 16:02:06 <dihedral> can you not read? 16:02:12 <dihedral> you are doing drag & drop on the station 16:02:37 <dihedral> the station however has a requirement of being 2 tracks wide, which is clearly visible by the '1' button under Tracks being greyed out 16:02:39 <KenjiE20> ^ 16:02:56 <Tefad> the error message does need improving 16:03:02 <Jolteon> oh 16:03:03 <Jolteon> I see the error. 16:03:11 <Jolteon> But I do want to now make a suggestion. 16:03:17 <Jolteon> Can you make the error messages a bit more revealing? 16:03:23 <Jolteon> Currently they're a bit ... generic. 16:03:47 <dihedral> depends on what is made possible to grf's :-P 16:03:57 <dihedral> and it is probably based on the grf (the message that is) 16:04:02 <Alberth> file a bug report in bugs.openttd.org would be best if it does not exist already 16:04:31 <dihedral> Alberth, it's only worth it if the error message is not set in the grf (i dont know if that at all is possible) 16:04:54 <dihedral> but if it is a message from the grf, then you'd have to make the suggestion to the author 16:04:59 <dihedral> (of the grf that is) 16:05:29 <Alberth> dihedral: right. Jolteon: plz ignore my suggestion :) 16:05:57 <dihedral> glx can probably enlighten here 16:06:08 <Alberth> we let too many things get decided by the GRF authors :) 16:07:18 <frosch123> that message is not from the grf :) 16:07:57 <Roest> ok, now that i added 1 wagon to 420 trains each, is there an automatic way to do it? 16:08:31 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:02 <yorick> any idea how to refuse CMD_COMPANY_CTRL from the server while still closing the progress window? 16:09:27 <dihedral> in what way 16:09:38 <dihedral> and why? 16:10:38 <dihedral> yorick, ^ 16:13:36 <dihedral> refusing it client side, does not seem to make a lot of sense to me 16:18:15 <dihedral> well, then i guess i cannot help you ;-) 16:20:45 *** ZerXes [~ZerXes@c-b00de353.013-115-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:21:09 *** ZerXes [~ZerXes@c-b00de353.013-115-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:26:42 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:54 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:39 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 16:30:48 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:33 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:34:40 <insulfrog> cyas 16:34:42 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.23.197.135] has left #openttd [] 16:35:20 <Ammler> frosch123: is your source for the "noIndClose" GRF public? 16:36:34 <frosch123> manual industries? well, the original source does not look very different as if you run the grf through grfcodec and nforenum :p 16:36:40 <Ammler> this one: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=735659#p735659 16:36:45 <frosch123> but the grf itself is gpled 16:37:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAEeb2d.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:41 <frosch123> so in this case I define the grf as the source :) 16:37:52 <Ammler> :-) 16:38:20 <dihedral> frosch123, so you wrote the grf by hand, did not use anything to 'generate' it? 16:39:06 <Ammler> no, but he is a guy, who as all properities in mind, so he don't need to comment them ;-) 16:39:21 <frosch123> that grf is by hand, it consists of 3 pseudo sprites :) 16:40:24 <frosch123> Ammler: no, but I did not bothered commenting it 16:40:48 <frosch123> run it through grf2html and it will be better than the original 16:40:58 <Ammler> already did 16:41:35 <Ammler> I would like to enable "closing" for PS for a test 16:42:05 <Ammler> I thought, I could check your grf to see which properity that is :-) 16:42:47 <frosch123> 0B 16:43:27 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:34 <Ammler> frosch123: 0 means no closing? 16:44:35 <planetmaker> hehe. You change one byte, claim (co-)authorship and then upload it to Bananas, Ammler? :P 16:44:48 <frosch123> 0 means behave like powerplant 16:45:24 <frosch123> Ammler: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=IndustryDefaultProps 16:46:01 <Ammler> I know that table, but the descripton of 0B isn't that clear to me. 16:46:33 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:46 <frosch123> at most set one bit of prop 0B 16:47:33 <Ammler> what do you think (or maybe know), how a serviced PS will behave? 16:47:38 <planetmaker> hehe. I still like the wording of the announcment of that grf, frosch123 :) 16:48:08 <frosch123> 0 means no production changes no closing, 1 and 2 mean primary industry (iirc the difference is only some map colour), 4 means no production changes and as probability for closing after 5 years no service 16:48:23 <frosch123> what is a 'PS' ? 16:48:30 <Ammler> PowerStation? 16:49:24 <frosch123> so you want powerstations to close down like a not-serviced processing industry? 16:49:53 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:57 <Ammler> I was in thinking, that you have to set "no production" industries to "no closing" else it could disapear even if serviced. 16:50:28 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:25 <frosch123> only delivery matters 16:51:34 <Ammler> I told that to FIRS and Eddi|zuHause laught at me 16:51:42 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:00 <Ammler> frosch123: how can delivery matter for a coal mine? 16:52:19 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [] 16:52:21 <frosch123> btw. the only difference for 'extractive' and 'organic' is, that nearby stations will be named 'mines' or 'woods' 16:52:32 <dihedral> coal mines should have a start value, and if that amount was exhausted (transported) they close :-D 16:52:50 <Ammler> dihedral: PBI 16:52:52 <frosch123> Ammler: for processing industries only delivery matters 16:52:57 <Ammler> or ECS does that too. 16:54:07 <Ammler> frosch123: so setting PS to processing industries should fix that? 16:54:29 <frosch123> yes, should be enough 16:55:24 <Ammler> hmm, now I don't see a reason, why TTO set PS that way. 16:55:44 <Ammler> menno. :-( 16:55:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-107-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:07 *** Radtoo [~mschmid@84-75-164-149.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 17:06:59 <Radtoo> hi, does anyone have an idea what might be messing ottd's performance on a linux box? 17:07:13 <FauxFaux> uYou. 17:07:14 <frosch123> Ammler: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Industries <- better? 17:07:32 <Radtoo> *messing up. 17:08:09 <dihedral> Radtoo, other processes? 17:08:21 <dihedral> how should we know? 17:08:29 <Radtoo> dihedral: none that take up much performance. 17:08:31 <dihedral> we dont know what you are expecting 17:08:37 <Radtoo> But in particular, scaling the window size and raising the resolution of the game kills performance. 17:08:41 <dihedral> we dont know what map you are playing 17:08:46 <dihedral> how many industries are there 17:08:48 <Radtoo> doesn't matter. 17:08:48 <dihedral> or vehicles 17:10:13 <Radtoo> It starts right from the title screen. 17:10:24 <dihedral> what res? 17:10:41 <Radtoo> 800x600 in full screen already does... windowed still seems okay'ish 17:10:51 <dihedral> on any new game? 17:11:05 <Radtoo> Yes. Just openttd tho. 17:11:24 <dihedral> not loading a save game, starting a new one right 17:11:29 <Radtoo> Yes. 17:12:06 <dihedral> what about starting the game with -s null ? 17:12:56 <Radtoo> nope. doesn't change that its slow. given the symptoms, I'd say it something to do with the graphics display... 17:13:17 <Radtoo> Although other SDL-based programs run fine, as does opengl based stuff. 17:13:50 <dihedral> zoomed out? 17:14:18 <Radtoo> same if I'm zoomed in or out on the game 17:16:30 <frosch123> any difference if using '-b 8bpp-optimized' or '-b 32bpp-optimized'? 17:17:31 <Ammler> frosch123: thank you :-) (what does e.g. mean, btw.?) 17:17:44 <Radtoo> Yes, 32bpp-optimized is slightly better... 17:17:45 <frosch123> exempli gratia 17:20:18 <frosch123> or 'for example' for uneducated :p 17:20:20 <Radtoo> ... is there perhaps any known problems with ATI's drivers? Googled, but found nothing... 17:20:51 * dihedral has an ati driver and has no issues what so ever 17:21:08 <Radtoo> 64bit linux as well? 17:21:33 <dihedral> i doubt that would cause your issue 17:22:40 <Radtoo> Well, my best uneducated guess is that somewhere between sdl and my drivers there's something inadequate. :) 17:22:55 <Radtoo> It's clearly not the process priority or cpu resources. 17:23:04 <dihedral> if that were the case, dont you think there would be a few more bug reports? 17:23:53 <Radtoo> I guess that's what I came here for, to ask if you know anything besides the bug reports that don't seem to be there :p. 17:24:09 <dihedral> hehe 17:24:21 <dihedral> + if it were what you assume, it would exist for other apps too 17:25:30 <Radtoo> Dunno, not everyone might implement SDL the way openttd does or something... 17:26:26 <Radtoo> All I can see here is that for no apparent reason at all, openttd has very poor performance on a very fast machine... 17:26:52 <planetmaker> Radtoo: maybe you define "fast" machine and "poor performance" :) 17:27:11 <planetmaker> they're by these words not really measurable... 17:27:26 <frosch123> so using 32bpp or 8bpp had no impact? 17:27:39 <Radtoo> frosch123: no, i said 32bpp was better... 17:27:52 <frosch123> oh, missed that 17:29:08 <Radtoo> planetmaker: Q9550 / 8GB ram / ati 4780 model video card. and I don't know any way to benchmark ottd well, but performance is worse than original transport tycoon on that old... was it, i386? Low fps, periodic (although very short) no new frames... 17:30:33 <Radtoo> planetmaker: Its hard to describe accurately in other words than "poor performance" tho, unless you got some means to benchmark it? 17:30:58 <dihedral> look at top, give us some info, what is 'lag' 17:31:25 <planetmaker> hm... video card shouldn't matter 17:31:36 <dihedral> poor performance is hardly anything that we can comment on 17:31:39 <planetmaker> only cpu is used for openttd 17:31:45 <Radtoo> as I said, no processes interfering, system is more or less idle, openttd odesnt cause lots of load... 17:31:58 <dihedral> Radtoo, it still can matter! 17:32:00 <planetmaker> and I don't know Q9550 :P 17:32:02 <Radtoo> reniced the process and it didn't matter... 17:32:33 <dihedral> Radtoo, what is the clock on each core? 17:32:35 <Radtoo> planetmaker: intel quad core 2.8ghz per core, yorkfield. 17:32:37 <KingJ> 2.83 17:32:46 <KingJ> I've got the same config, except for RAM (4GB) 17:32:48 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-175-85.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:54 <dihedral> quack 17:33:00 <planetmaker> :D 17:33:19 <planetmaker> Radtoo: that should suffice to play 1k^2 maps with 1k trains nicely 17:33:30 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:33 <planetmaker> it nearly works on the old P4 here 17:33:35 <Radtoo> If not more, exactly... 17:33:41 <planetmaker> with intel chipset graphics 17:33:51 <dihedral> graphics is unimporatant 17:33:54 <planetmaker> Radtoo: probably. But only one core counts 17:34:02 <planetmaker> dihedral: see above :) yes 17:34:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:20 <Radtoo> I can play it fine on my dual core laptop, it plays fine on my brothers amd64, but not here in my comfy desktop machine's chair, for whatever reason. 17:34:28 <Radtoo> I know. 17:35:00 <Radtoo> But openttd is about the only 4-8% load on that core... 17:35:29 <dihedral> did you compile yourself? 17:36:38 <Radtoo> Yep. 17:36:45 <Radtoo> But the binary also behaves the same way, so... 17:37:04 <dihedral> any newGRFs you load? 17:37:06 <Radtoo> It's also the same between 0.7.0 beta1 and 0.6.1 ... 17:37:33 <Radtoo> I even tried that... but generally I have none. 17:37:52 <Radtoo> (newgrf only tried on 0.7.0 beta1) 17:39:20 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:22 <Mark> Hmm, can you turn off a bot who's company you taken over? 17:41:25 <Mark> hmm 17:41:30 <Mark> who's wrong 17:41:40 <Mark> Hope you understand anyway :) 17:41:49 <dihedral> does it not do that automatically? 17:42:06 <Radtoo> Mark: On the beta or the stable versions? 17:42:13 <dihedral> i take it you are cheating Mark 17:42:39 *** Kworb [~kworb@ip3e8355d3.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:16 *** Roest1 [~schurade@p54B9C688.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:16 <Mark> dihedral: yeah, just downloaded this game from openttd-forums 17:43:22 <Mark> Radtoo: nightly 17:43:43 <Radtoo> Hmkay, well, I guess I get the overall picture. Performance bottlenecks you had usually to almost always were on the CPU and y'dont recognize this problem of mine, even with similar hardware. Well, thats already valuable info. :D 17:44:20 <dihedral> ^^ 17:44:28 <Mark> I bought it instead 17:44:35 <dihedral> Radtoo, i can tell you that you will not have the issue if you start openttd with -D 17:45:24 <Radtoo> dihedral: well, that seems to run but I have no good clue if it performs well. :) 17:45:40 <dihedral> it does 17:45:42 <Radtoo> dihedral: I figure I could find out with another machine. 17:45:58 <Radtoo> oh, you tried? 17:46:27 <Radtoo> k... 17:48:04 <dihedral> -D = dedicated server 17:49:12 *** Radtoo [~mschmid@84-75-164-149.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:49:57 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:50:43 *** Radtoo [~mschmid@84-75-164-149.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 17:51:18 <Radtoo> ... mmkay. So it was the darn ati drivers. 17:52:07 <Radtoo> Don't ask me why ONLY this game out of all applications (including 3d, emulators, ... yadda yadda) failed. Ati might just hate it for people not needing new hardware to play it or something ;) 17:53:00 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:31 <Radtoo> s/ati/amd 17:54:56 <Radtoo> tyvm again... 17:55:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 17:57:26 *** Jag [~Jag@89.190.35.177] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:05:46 *** smeding_ [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:58 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:08 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:01 <glx> Radtoo: try disabling full animation 18:29:39 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:58 <Maarten-> ugh 18:30:15 * Maarten- slaps yorick around with a pink Macintosh 18:30:32 <dihedral> "there is just one thing we can do... either we flee or we kill him" 18:30:33 <dihedral> lol 18:30:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:44 <dihedral> Maarten, ? 18:30:59 <energetic> whatever happend to the diagonal terraform patch? 18:31:46 <dihedral> it tripped and fell down the stairs 18:31:56 <dihedral> broke it's neck 18:32:47 <dihedral> energetic, are you just looking for the patch, or what exactly do you want? 18:33:47 <petern> we're not allowed to call it terraforming now 18:34:13 <dihedral> oh? 18:35:00 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:22 *** Jolteon [~jolteon@5acb31bf.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 18:35:38 *** Jolteon [~jolteon@5acb31bf.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:36:20 <el_en> should we organize a native-english-speakers-speaking-non-english-day on this channel? 18:36:51 <dihedral> vat du yu meen bey zat? 18:38:11 * yorick slaps Maarten- around with a black acer ferrari 18:38:27 <dihedral> oh my word 18:45:01 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:26 <energetic> just wondering why it didnt came into trunk, as it sounds to be a usefull feature 18:47:37 <Bjarni> <el_en> should we organize a native-english-speakers-speaking-non-english-day on this channel? <--- let's pick a language for every Sunday and kick everybody using a different language 18:48:39 <energetic> multiple patches where created though none integrated. one of those is http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=19311 18:49:26 <Bjarni> let's start next Sunday with some obscene language 18:49:30 <Bjarni> like Swedish 18:50:00 <dihedral> energetic, reasons for not being included (not limited to): coding style not followed, badly implemented, not well tested, buggy, not something the devs want to include 18:50:37 <energetic> ok. Is there any log of this? So I can check it out myself instead of asking? Like patch x rejected because y? 18:51:06 <Alberth> Bjarni: Klingon 18:51:30 <energetic> Alberth: no. Only string encoded in BrainFuck. 18:51:38 <energetic> Klingon is too easy :) 18:51:43 <Bjarni> yeah 18:51:54 <dihedral> energetic, no 18:52:01 <Bjarni> it needs to be obscene and something only "special" people can figure out 18:52:07 <Bjarni> so Swedish is a good choice 18:52:26 <dihedral> energetic, unless you want to read irc logs and forum posts 18:52:33 <energetic> right. 18:52:45 <dihedral> chance that it was mentioned somewhere public are quite good 18:53:46 <energetic> I just want to dive into ottd code my way. One way is analyzing patches. And knowing why it isnt good enough for trunk 18:54:16 <energetic> and integrating patches into my own build. 18:54:18 <dihedral> energetic, could very well be that something is coded alright, just no devs want it ;-) 18:54:24 <energetic> i know. 18:54:41 <energetic> But some functionality seems so obvious that thats out of the question 18:55:34 <energetic> and it becomes a technicality instead of a decision 18:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15553 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt japanese.txt polish.txt spanish.txt): 18:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-22 18:58:31 18:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changed by belugas (2) 18:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 67 fixed by ickoonite (67) 18:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 3 fixed by xaxa (3) 18:59:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 38 changed by erregerre (38) 18:59:23 <dihedral> energetic, every patch is a decision! 19:01:43 <el_en> Bjarni: a great idea. och svenska Àr ju ett bra sprÃ¥k att börja med. 19:04:49 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 19:05:05 <planetmaker> energetic: with a bit of patching experience it gets easier to tell what things are considered decently implemented and what not :) There's no easy way to figure that, though, I think 19:05:16 <planetmaker> It can only be seen by examples... 19:07:08 <planetmaker> some long-time patches I certain wish to hit trunk where _i_ don't see problems, but then I don't have a complete overview of the code. So... 19:07:19 <planetmaker> ... enjoy patching :) 19:21:22 <planetmaker> he, the new client limit rocks! 19:21:28 <planetmaker> We have 16 people playing currently :) 19:21:54 <planetmaker> two thumbs up for all :) 19:29:12 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-185-163.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:40 <Bjarni> el_en: :) 19:29:58 <Bjarni> now we see the "special" person :P 19:35:53 <energetic> Well I have seen some code in my life so it shouldnt be too hard to sniff out bad patches 19:39:41 <dihedral> energetic, good luck :-) 19:40:48 <energetic> Beautiful code can make me cry. The opposite happens too :) 19:42:07 <Bjarni> funny it takes !Beautiful code to make me cry (specially if it's mandatory to understand it) 19:49:18 *** davis [~malte@p5B28CC04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:49 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:50:23 <energetic> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41886 -> isnt this just a bug? 19:50:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:51:08 <davis> . 19:52:04 <Bjarni> looks like davis has a point 19:52:16 <davis> yes sir , i do. 19:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> · <- i have a better point 19:53:27 <energetic> : I have more? 19:53:44 * Bjarni calls pacman 19:53:49 <davis> (< 19:53:52 <Bjarni> we need to get this channel cleaned 19:54:14 <davis> afk for dinner , bbs 19:57:04 *** Wolle [R4R@87.176.195.238] has joined #openttd 19:57:32 <Belugas_nomade> hey :D my son has lost his very first tooth !! 19:57:42 * Belugas_nomade dances!! 19:57:52 <Prof_Frink> Stop punching him in the face. 19:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> he rammed into the wall edge while racing his toy car? 19:58:21 <Belugas_nomade> does not need that, Prof_Frink : he's like me, a saint ;) 19:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause> (my brother actually did that... was not very pleasant) 19:59:09 <Belugas_nomade> Eddi|zuHause: no, mom rushed to the dentist since kiddo was in pain. mothers will never change... 19:59:22 <Belugas_nomade> the doc just tilted it forth a bit and ... pooof 19:59:32 <Belugas_nomade> duh... 19:59:35 <davis> -20:57:52- (Prof_Frink) Stop punching him in the face. 19:59:37 <davis> made me laugh 19:59:40 <davis> :o 19:59:48 <Belugas_nomade> going back to the "party" 20:02:23 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 20:05:08 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:05:51 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-185-163.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:27 *** Wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:08:09 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-155-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:16 <Ammler> [20:53] <Eddi|zuHause> · <- i have a better point <-- don't have this point :-( 20:15:54 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: do you use a mac keyboard? 20:16:22 <dihedral> what difference would that make? 20:16:42 <Ammler> maybe that one has such a "better point" :-) 20:17:01 <dihedral> does not do anything other than unicode :-P 20:17:27 <planetmaker> dihedral: wanna be client no 22? You've got the chance with yesterday's nightly :) 20:17:41 <Ammler> you mean soemthing like alt+<number>? 20:17:54 <dihedral> \u0000 20:19:47 <dihedral> planetmaker, dont have the grf's ;-) 20:20:03 <planetmaker> you know how to get them :) 20:22:38 <dihedral> yes, 20:22:39 <dihedral> svn up 20:22:40 <dihedral> :-D 20:22:52 *** gynter [~gynter@84-50-128-247-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:23:19 <gynter> hello, is it possible to destroy an industry in network game when server is running as dedicated? 20:23:25 <gynter> openttd0.6.3 20:23:28 <dihedral> nope 20:23:34 <dihedral> unless the map has a chat enabled 20:23:51 * planetmaker donates an "e" 20:23:57 <gynter> and not possible to enable cheat runtime? 20:24:02 <planetmaker> no 20:24:03 * Roest1 grabs the e 20:24:05 <gynter> darn 20:24:07 <dihedral> thanks pm 20:24:10 <gynter> k, thanks 20:24:17 <planetmaker> :) you're welcome 20:24:31 *** Roest1 is now known as Roest 20:24:36 <dihedral> why on earth would you want to delete an indu? 20:24:46 <Roest> because it's in the way? 20:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas_nomade has a "chat" ;) 20:25:00 <dihedral> Roest, no such thing :-P 20:25:51 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: it's a "chatte" :) 20:25:57 <dihedral> that'd be something for the 'i want realism in the game' users: oh - the indu is in my way, lets shift it 2 tails to the south 20:26:09 <dihedral> glx, IT's ? 20:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: close enough ;) 20:26:11 <gynter> dihedral, 64x64 map and some unneeded industries :P 20:26:23 <dihedral> then just wait for it to die 20:26:36 <gynter> takes too long :) 20:26:42 <dihedral> patience is a virtue 20:26:50 <Ammler> gynter: just enable chat mode in local and transfer to server 20:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: why not "it"? i would say it like that in german, too 20:26:56 <energetic> realism is a virtue too 20:27:20 <Ammler> *cheat 20:27:31 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, because german and english differ? 20:27:33 <dihedral> :-P 20:27:35 <dihedral> just slightly 20:27:49 <gynter> in real world with money you can close down industries you don't like :) 20:28:00 <gynter> just buy em 20:28:07 <dihedral> dschust zat vee smaaal bit 20:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause> english is a simplified german with a tad of french vocabulary 20:28:23 <dihedral> ouch 20:28:41 <planetmaker> lol 20:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that covers most of the english language really well... 20:29:31 <Bjarni> <dihedral> what difference would that make? <-- basically mac keyboards has lots of interesting keys, like  µ and · 20:29:44 <Bjarni> I really like  :D 20:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that first one does not display 20:29:53 <Bjarni> :s 20:30:23 <Bjarni> then you need more than just a decent keyboard :P 20:30:28 <Bjarni> ... 20:30:35 <Bjarni> google failed to find it too 20:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and all german keyboards had µ as long as i can think back 20:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> on AltGr+M 20:31:41 <dihedral> [21:30] <Bjarni> I really like  :D <- yes here too, but also like â 20:32:00 <dihedral> [ ] interested [â] not interested <- :-P 20:32:08 <Bjarni> nice one 20:32:41 <Eddi|zuHause> technically, that's supposed to be a "square root" symbol :p 20:32:46 <glx> µ is shifg+* 20:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> shift+* is not possible, because * is already shift++ (:p) 20:33:19 <gynter> Ammler, what you mean? Do I have to restart server then? 20:33:32 <Ammler> no, just reload 20:33:33 <Bjarni> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon-table.gif <-- LOL, Klingon unicode :D 20:33:58 <Ammler> gynter: !rcon load <uploadedsave> 20:34:18 <Prof_Frink> dihedral: ? 20:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: we are still waiting for your klingon translation 20:34:59 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> that first one does not display <-- It's the first char in this line http://www.decodeunicode.org/de/data/a//XS/AppleLogo.jpg 20:35:06 <dihedral> Ammler, i doubt he's using ap+ 20:35:28 <dihedral> Prof_Frink, ? 20:36:19 <Prof_Frink> Giving you a proper tick 20:36:45 * petern wonders if the server he just lennyised will come back up 20:37:00 <petern> ooh 20:37:06 <petern> it took 2 minutes to start pinging... 20:38:12 <petern> oh right, it has a hardware RAID 5... that'll do it 20:38:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:36 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 20:43:56 *** davis is now known as davis- 20:45:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet674.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> # the tree, that wanted to be a beautiful book 20:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> # it would die, if that's what it took 20:49:58 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:55 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C688.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> # in the shades of the woods 20:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> # sat a bear who dreamed of being a poet's coat 20:53:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:58:43 <Sacro> Did someone fiddle with tables.h? 20:59:14 <Sacro> my housemate has a town called Cuntfingford 20:59:52 <Sacro> I thought Cunt* was blocked? 20:59:58 <petern> tables.h, eh? 21:00:33 <Sacro> errm, whereever it iwas 21:00:38 <Sacro> not looked in the source 21:00:44 <Sacro> i recall there being a table of banned prefixes 21:02:19 <petern> well it should be replaced if it's from the english or additional english town names 21:02:53 <Sacro> It seems not 21:03:10 <Sacro> 0.7.0 beta 1 21:03:14 <Sacro> win32 installer 21:04:00 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F7FB.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:08:31 <petern> mmm, threaded perl scripts 21:08:41 <petern> well the code is in there to do the replacement, so it should 21:08:47 *** smeding_ [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:08 <Sacro> well it didn't work :p 21:11:15 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:32 <petern> oh 21:11:40 <petern> and that code hasn't been touched since r1608 21:11:46 <Sacro> hehe 21:11:55 <Sacro> well he got Cuntfingford 21:12:00 <Sacro> we chortled 21:16:44 <Bjarni> somebody made a bugreport about this and then MYOB said "well that explains Cunttown" when ludde worked on a fix 21:17:20 <Bjarni> ludde added some sort of filter but it looks like profanity filters fails big time in Hull :P 21:17:29 <Sacro> Yeah 21:17:32 <Sacro> talking of fail 21:17:37 <Sacro> nice to see you again Bjarni 21:17:48 <Bjarni> o_O 21:17:53 <Bjarni> fail... 21:18:01 <Bjarni> I passed the exams 21:18:24 <Bjarni> in fact I got an email last week telling me that I also passed the last exam :) 21:20:52 <el_en> Hull is a profanity? 21:23:49 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 21:25:19 <Bjarni> I guess it could be considered a profanity 21:25:24 <Prof_Frink> el_en: Yes. But there's no H. 21:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so they can't bend it? 21:27:08 * el_en booted to Open Firmware for the first time today 21:27:39 <petern> did you feel special? 21:28:07 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:30:55 <el_en> yeah. half of the world's population has never used a phone, but even fewer have ever booted to Open Firmware. 21:31:01 <Bjarni> petern: that's a silly question. We already learned that el_en is a "special" person 21:31:54 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 21:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you meant to say "special needs" :P 21:34:24 <Bjarni> no... I meant "special" in the nice way. It's a nice way to refer to a person with a certain brain capacity 21:34:33 <Bjarni> Forrest Gump is "special" ;) 21:40:25 <Wolf01> 'night 21:40:29 <el_en> night 21:40:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:42:31 *** tomahawk [~tomahawk@cqw52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:43:26 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: is that supposed to be an insult? 21:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 21:43:54 <el_en> good. 21:48:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fec9f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:46 <worldemar> el_en: half of the world's population has never used a phone... really? 21:49:59 * worldemar can't believe that 21:50:23 * KingJ can't beleive that worldemar can't beleive it 21:51:02 <worldemar> of course i can, but _half_! 21:52:14 * worldemar feelss "special" having cellphone 21:52:24 <worldemar> s/ss/s 21:52:29 <worldemar> s/ss/s/ 21:52:32 <worldemar> >_< 21:54:54 <Bjarni> cellphone? 21:55:05 <Bjarni> are you supposed to have such a gadget? 21:56:47 <worldemar> maybe my english is crappy... but how i should call this small thing if i can make a "call" with it to any other person with similar one? 21:56:53 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:57:48 <planetmaker> mobile? 21:58:26 <Prof_Frink> cocoa tins and some string? 21:58:37 <worldemar> what differs mobile from cellphone? 21:59:15 <dihedral> one is AE, the other is BE (wrt cellphone and mobile) 21:59:46 <worldemar> o, yeah... cool... 21:59:59 <worldemar> and what is AE and BE? 22:00:07 <dihedral> American English, British English 22:00:13 <Prof_Frink> Merkin English and English English. 22:00:42 <el_en> worldemar: http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=20411 22:01:01 <worldemar> google... 22:02:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet674.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:05:09 <worldemar> Bjarni: okay, now i know i have such gadget) 22:05:46 <worldemar> cellphone or mobile or cellmobile or... 22:06:28 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-155-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:57 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-222-158.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:30 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Merkin English and English English. <-- I thought it was corrupted English and real English :/ 22:10:22 <dihedral> whatever the americans did with it, it's not worthy being called 'english' nomore 22:11:22 * worldemar is being corrupted :( 22:11:35 <FauxFaux> You mean "American" and "English", right? 22:11:38 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 22:12:43 <dihedral> Americans should not be allowed to use the name of that language for their own language 22:13:27 <dihedral> and americans are not native english speakers 22:13:35 <dihedral> they only thing they are native in is idiocy 22:14:08 <el_en> maybe that's why the language in TTD was named American. 22:22:10 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227065041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:43 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:39:22 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:43 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-60.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:48:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:52:26 *** arex\ [arex_@158.36.150.63] has joined #openttd 22:52:32 <arex\> How can I change start capital? 22:56:11 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-60.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 22:57:31 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@62.199.73.48] has joined #openttd 22:58:05 *** hohosydoz [~hohosydoz@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:25 *** gepuveqob [~gepuveqob@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 23:00:05 <Ammler> arex\: ctrl+alt+c 23:00:24 <Ammler> or with difficult settings 23:00:27 <arex\> Almost tried it 23:00:36 <Ammler> :-) 23:00:46 <arex\> :-D 23:02:51 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:03:04 *** gepuveqob [~gepuveqob@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:22 *** vimegyje [~vimegyje@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 23:03:51 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 23:09:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:40 *** Radtoo [~mschmid@84-75-164-149.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 23:17:22 <arex\> finger 23:17:33 <arex\> oh. finger.openttd.org 23:20:38 *** arex\ [arex_@158.36.150.63] has quit [] 23:20:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 23:22:59 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227065041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:23:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227065041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:06 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 23:25:14 *** Wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:29:03 *** tomahawk_ [~tomahawk@bfg231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 23:30:14 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@82.95.127.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:06 *** tomahawk [~tomahawk@cqw52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:59 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:39:43 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:45:09 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 23:47:32 *** Jolt [~jolteon@5acb31ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:58 *** Jolteon [~jolteon@5acb31bf.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:24 *** Morloth [829ff8de@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:58:34 <Morloth> Hi everyone :) 23:58:58 <SmatZ> hello :) 23:59:05 <Morloth> d0h :P 23:59:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:12 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-107-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]