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00:00:04 <Brokkoli> this ; 00:00:07 <Brokkoli> to 255 00:00:15 <Turnskin> Yep, i know 00:00:18 <DaleStan> Now if they're doing something else, like maybe reversing, then it would be helpful to use the correct word. 00:00:22 <Brokkoli> these 3 options are for waiting time 00:00:32 <Brokkoli> change them to 255 and trains wont turn 00:00:41 <Brokkoli> ok reverse 00:01:30 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051022178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:01:42 <Turnskin> But in case of one toway railroad with twoway signals they still reverse if signal is red. 00:01:56 <Turnskin> I set YAPF for trains. 00:02:25 <Turnskin> They turn seeing each other after the signal. 00:03:37 <Brokkoli> i think that cannot be changed 00:03:56 <Turnskin> I tried to make complex system of combo and exit signals for twoway any-direction path, but instead of waiting the opposite train will path the junction 00:04:11 <Turnskin> the other train is reversing and blocks the way. 00:04:44 <Turnskin> I remember TTDP with the same setting could stop the train at all. 00:05:10 <Brokkoli> i don't know the exact junction layout now 00:05:14 <Brokkoli> maybe there is a problem 00:05:34 <Turnskin> The problem is they turn :( 00:06:41 <Turnskin> May there's a key for YAPF in .cfg which can solve this turning? Like "penalty" or so? 00:07:49 <Zuu> IIRC you can set timings so they don't turn on YAPP signals. But I have never fiddeled with those timings myself. 00:07:54 <Turnskin> Let's them to stay before signal at all opposite each other, it will be my problem. But don't turn! 00:08:46 <Turnskin> yapf.rail_look_ahead_signal_p0 00:08:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051022178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:47 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:08:53 <Turnskin> Like this? 00:09:27 <Brokkoli> whan they directly face each other they always will turn 00:09:35 <Brokkoli> bedauce it's a deadlock otherwise 00:10:08 <Turnskin> Brokkoli Yep. But i wanna them to stay! 00:10:17 <Brokkoli> thats not possible 00:10:25 <Brokkoli> why do you want that? 00:10:28 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 00:10:32 <Brokkoli> they would wait forever 00:10:51 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 00:10:56 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 00:10:57 <Turnskin> They are running like fleas in my twoway path causing each other never go in right direction at all. 00:11:18 <Brokkoli> maybe you shoud change the track layout 00:12:11 <Brokkoli> have a look here: http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 00:12:30 <Brokkoli> most times you shouldn't use twoway signals 00:12:56 <Turnskin> Brokkoli Of course. But it is complex with lots of presignals so if any of train will simply don't turn in jucntion, it will work. 00:13:25 <Brokkoli> i don't think so 00:13:31 <Brokkoli> they would wait forever 00:13:41 <Brokkoli> if no train turns around 00:13:48 <Turnskin> Brokkoli Thanx, but i read these articles worldwide as thoroughly as my university courses :) 00:14:12 <Turnskin> OK, i'll try to change YAPF settings. 00:14:25 <Brokkoli> changing that won't help 00:14:53 <Brokkoli> it's real a track layout problem 00:14:59 <Turnskin> 3rd, can i remove some station tiles w/o removing the whole station? 00:15:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb2c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:08 <Brokkoli> yes 00:15:15 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad3834b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:18 <Brokkoli> open station building 00:15:24 <Zuu> then press r-key 00:15:35 <Brokkoli> and then press the "toggle add/remove" button in the track construction tollbar 00:15:38 <Brokkoli> yes 00:15:49 <Zuu> 9 is the key for stations if i recall correctly. making it 9->r 00:16:03 <Brokkoli> r is the other way ;) 00:16:11 <Turnskin> Brokkoli Oooo, great thanx! 00:16:17 <Zuu> I always use the r-key, never the button. 00:16:30 <Brokkoli> yes r is faster.. i use that, too 00:16:43 <Brokkoli> but the other one is easier ;) 00:16:57 <Zuu> Also easier to tell people what key to press, than how a button looks like and where to find it :) 00:17:14 <Brokkoli> yes 00:17:18 <Turnskin> r key is enough :) 00:17:20 <Brokkoli> thats right 00:17:39 <Brokkoli> that works for signal removing too 00:18:14 <Brokkoli> s and then r 00:18:19 <Brokkoli> for remove signals 00:18:25 <Turnskin> Brokkoli Great! 00:19:08 <Turnskin> My 1 and 3 questions are closed. Much thanks! 00:20:00 <Turnskin> Brokkoli I plan to compose an article for http://forums.ttdrussia.net (in Russian) about realistic twoway onethread railway. 00:20:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad4622a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:31 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 00:20:50 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:51 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051022178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:21:07 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 00:21:11 <Turnskin> I'm modelling this, meaning - no straight depots (i.e. train use depot only for escape, but it haven't to do it every time). 00:22:12 <Sacro> eorge ] [ racetrack ] [ wision ] 00:22:12 <Sacro> 00:21 [ caladan ] [ GoneWacko ] [ Rexxars ] [ Wolfensteijn ] 00:22:12 <Sacro> 00:21 [ canidae ] [ goodger ] [ Ridayah_ ] [ Wolle ] 00:22:12 <Sacro> 00:21 [ ccfreak2k ] [ guru3 ] [ Sacro ] [ Xaroth ] 00:22:14 <Sacro> 00:21 [ Celestar ] [ HansAffe ] [ sigmund ] [ XeryusTC ] 00:22:18 <Sacro> whoops :p 00:22:22 <goodger> DIEEEEE 00:22:29 <Turnskin> I tried to combine 2 side branches for escape with direct main thread. Branches have depots (or are long enough for train). 00:22:45 <goodger> nah, we love you really, Sacro.. 00:22:52 * goodger pats Sacro on shoulder 00:22:59 <goodger> ...*grip tightens* 00:24:06 <Turnskin> I'm well-knowing about George's and other's articles about n-way railways (i.e. with 2 parallel escape paths) but my aim is to 00:25:59 <Turnskin> build the single-tread path for any quantity of trains being possible go in both direction at onñe. 00:27:08 <Turnskin> That's why i'm cursing than they TURN. :) 00:27:47 <Yexo> Turnskin: if you want a two railways, one for each direction, use one-way signals instead of two-way 00:27:58 <Yexo> trains won't turn unless they have to wait really long 00:28:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051022178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:27 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:28:55 <Turnskin> Yexo Nope, i use this common layout, but i'm trying to make one railway for both directions! 00:29:28 <Yexo> then don't use signals at all at that piece of track 00:29:42 <Turnskin> Sorry it's difficult for me to exactly translate my thoughts in English :( 00:29:59 <Yexo> than make a screenshot with what you want and your current approach 00:30:03 <Yexo> s/than/then/ 00:31:30 <Turnskin> OK, if i will success, i nessesarily put my screenshots to somethere. 00:31:44 <Turnskin> For all OTTD users. 00:33:30 <Turnskin> Give me please link to some filesharing service which is aviable for you? 00:34:03 <Yexo> you can upload images to tt-forums.net, if you are going to make a post there anyway 00:34:25 <Brokkoli> maybe http://imageshack.us/ 00:34:28 <Yexo> for pure image-uploading, use known services like imageshack.us 00:34:50 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 00:36:10 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:36:18 <Turnskin> Thanx. I know one service in Russia but not sure it's aviable for you. 00:36:50 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:37:50 <Turnskin> Get it - http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3589/onetreadtwowaypath.png 00:38:40 <Yexo> I'm sorry, but I don't get where the trains come from and where they have to go 00:38:46 <Turnskin> Right junction there is broken, but it was exactly like left. 00:39:08 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:13 <Turnskin> They are moving between ending depots only. 00:39:20 <Yexo> ah, ok 00:39:46 <Yexo> did you try pbs signals? 00:41:07 <Turnskin> My idea was to use a combination: Enter-Combo-Combo-Enter :) (w/o Exit signal). Thus they can go between junctions or escape to side depots. 00:41:46 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:09 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/test.png this seems to work fine here 00:43:27 <Turnskin> Yexo Nope, i dont understand this feature enough. I use common pre-signals and i'm happy. 00:44:02 <Yexo> what you want is simply impossible with block-signals 00:44:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051022178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:28 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:44:39 <Turnskin> Yexo That's i'm trying to do it! :) 00:45:19 <Turnskin> Yexo But i see in this picture signals only for 1 direction? 00:45:35 <Yexo> yes, those are pbs signals 00:45:48 <Yexo> normal pbs signals (like in that image) can be passed from the other side by train 00:46:16 <Yexo> there is one simply rule to remember when using pbs signals: Only place them were trains are allowed to stop 00:46:21 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:34 <Yexo> as you see, I only placed two signals, and it's safe for trains to stop at both places 00:48:16 <Turnskin> Yexo OK, it's very interesting. I must to learn PBS theory more thoroughly. 00:48:24 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:49:24 <ccfreak2k> Do any of you happen to have openal installed on a Linux box? 00:49:26 <Turnskin> Yexo But which is the difference to build an Enter-PBS signal in one or another side of the path? 00:49:42 <Yexo> there is no "enter-pbs" signal 00:49:54 <Yexo> there are normal pbs signals (as you see in my image) and one-way pbs signals 00:50:04 <ecke> i am trying to find switcher for passenger/freight in code ... i know if its on its 01 ... off 00 ... 00:50:06 <Yexo> trains can't drive through the back of a one-way pbs signal, that's the only difference 00:50:40 <ecke> i decoded grf file... opened nfo .... 00:51:04 <Turnskin> Yexo So, there's no difference in case of normal pbs signal to put it in any side of the way? 00:51:14 <Yexo> ecke: CargoSpec::is_freight 00:51:59 <Yexo> Turnskin: I don't understand exactly what you're trying to ask, but there is a pathfinder penalty for passing a pbs signal from the 'wrong' side 00:52:32 <Brokkoli> trains can only stop at one side 00:52:37 <Turnskin> Yexo OK this is i would to understand. 00:52:49 <Brokkoli> the other side there is no stopping position 00:53:16 <Brokkoli> maybe its better to see if you activate the reserved path display 00:53:37 <Turnskin> Brokkoli OK, became clear. 00:54:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet565.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:31 <Turnskin> 4st - another interesting thing (a bug?). I use Pikka's basic industries in desert. And then i make a scenario i can build most of factories only close to towns/cities. 00:55:02 <Brokkoli> no thats not a bug 00:55:15 <Turnskin> But during a game in this scenario new industries are building themself in any place :( 00:55:28 <Brokkoli> that could be a bug... ;) 00:55:31 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:32 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:55:37 <Brokkoli> have not tried 00:55:56 <Brokkoli> maybe there are differences in the distance calculation? 00:56:30 <Turnskin> The setting "Method of new industries building" was both "As usual" and "Geological scouting" (in translation) 00:57:35 <Turnskin> Brokkoli The feature is the factory can be built only within 10 or 20 tiles close the town center. 00:57:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:49 <Brokkoli> yes 00:59:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:00:16 *** Oboroten [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has joined #openttd 01:00:46 <Oboroten> Sorry, net problems. 01:01:45 *** Turnskin_ [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has joined #openttd 01:01:45 *** Oboroten [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:56 <Turnskin_> Sorry, net problems. 01:02:04 <Turnskin_> But they build themself in huge desert (may be 100 tiles long of any town). 01:02:11 <Turnskin_> Factories. 01:03:15 <Brokkoli> yes that could be a bug 01:03:32 <Brokkoli> but maybe it's allowed in the grf 01:03:43 <Brokkoli> i don't know exactly 01:03:50 <Turnskin_> E.g. i had to build a food-processing near a town, far from any farm. But another f-p factory appeared in more convenient place. 01:04:40 <Turnskin_> 5th - the real bug. I can't rename anything in length more than 16 or so symbols. 01:05:04 <Brokkoli> i don't think its a bug 01:05:40 *** Turnskin [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:05:43 <Brokkoli> it's a limitation ;) 01:06:09 *** Oboroten [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has joined #openttd 01:06:14 <Oboroten> But e.g. station's name can be generated in more length. Then i rename it, it looks like "Upper Thesampletow?" (with ? at the end). 01:06:21 *** Turnskin_ [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:22 *** Oboroten is now known as Turnskin 01:07:19 <Turnskin> I use Russian lang., but this situation remains for English. 01:07:56 <Brokkoli> i think generated names are sorted differently 01:08:07 <Turnskin> Also this remains then i open virual kbd window. 01:08:10 <Brokkoli> but i'm not that much in these details 01:09:46 <Turnskin> Brokkoli Look: the generated name can be "Upper Mysamplesmallandfunnytown". But then i rename it, i can write only 14 symbols. 01:10:25 <Brokkoli> yes 01:10:27 <Turnskin> Also this name wiil be shown as "Upper Mysample?" 01:10:32 <Brokkoli> because it's stored differently 01:10:34 <Brokkoli> /* Place to get a name from, in order of importance: */ 01:10:34 <Brokkoli> char *name; ///< Custom name 01:10:34 <Brokkoli> IndustryType indtype; ///< Industry type to get the name from 01:10:34 <Brokkoli> StringID string_id; ///< Default name (town area) of station 01:10:40 <Brokkoli> look here 01:10:55 <Turnskin> But if i cancel renaming it remains correct. 01:10:59 <Brokkoli> yes 01:11:13 <Brokkoli> because it uses the language string 01:11:16 <Turnskin> So - is this a bug or no? 01:11:23 <Brokkoli> whan you change the language the station name will change 01:11:25 <Brokkoli> no bug 01:11:55 <Turnskin> Nope, maybe you don't understand. 01:12:23 <Turnskin> Language is not important. 01:12:44 <Brokkoli> no not for the 16 character limit 01:13:03 <Rubidium> it's a designed limitation that custom names are limited to 32 bytes 01:13:18 <Turnskin> I CAN't name anything longer than 14 chars, but it has GENERATED name as long as it needs. 01:13:34 <Brokkoli> the generated name is stored differently.. internal 01:13:34 <Turnskin> Rubidium Yes. 01:14:02 <Turnskin> Rubidium So international names use Unicode? 01:14:04 <Rubidium> 14 cyrillic chars, right? 01:14:10 <Turnskin> Yep 01:14:23 <Turnskin> 2byte chars? 01:14:25 <Rubidium> utf8 encoding and such 01:14:56 <Turnskin> I thought so. So i thought right. Alas! 01:16:36 <Rubidium> it's more a feature request to support 30 characters no matter what the size in bytes in utf8 is 01:17:05 <Turnskin> Russian is long language and the name for real city like Komsomolsk-na-Amure together with word Perevalochnaja (feedering) will be not applicable here :( 01:17:41 <Brokkoli> yes the limit is a bit small 01:18:18 <Turnskin> Rubidium OK, consider my postings as feature request :) 01:18:19 <Rubidium> problem is that we need to limit the name in width otherwise we would need to iterate the whole map just to figure out what town/station labels need to be drawn 01:18:24 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:19:13 <Turnskin> May be make at least 20-25 chars for this limit? 01:19:31 <Rubidium> major problem is that we can't reliably determine the exact width of the string (different font == different width) and thus rejecting it on one and not the other makes things go haywire (desync) 01:19:34 <Turnskin> (in UTF, i.e. 64 bytes) 01:20:12 <Turnskin> OK, understand. 01:20:58 <Rubidium> which is why we limited on 31 characters (32 bytes) 01:21:39 <Brokkoli> isnÃt it limited by the width, too? 01:21:43 <Brokkoli> Ã=' 01:22:09 <Brokkoli> then i type "MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM" 01:22:26 <Brokkoli> the limit is 18 01:22:31 <Brokkoli> then=when 01:22:51 <Rubidium> but later utf8 came causing strlen and friends to not return the number of visible characters 01:23:05 <Rubidium> Brokkoli: that's only the client side's GUI 01:23:06 <Turnskin> All right then. I haven't more questions. Great thanks to all who helped me! 01:23:17 <Brokkoli> ok 01:24:31 <Turnskin> May be the last i would to tell is that NARS is incorrectly set for different nonstandart cargo like in Pikka's industries. 01:24:39 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-225-51.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:57 <Rubidium> that's not our bug 01:25:11 <Turnskin> But this problem is so usual that it's not topic to discuss :) 01:25:49 <Turnskin> OK, good bye an lucky railroad building :) 01:26:06 *** Turnskin [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has left #openttd [] 01:29:46 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 01:29:46 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15777 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Add: helper functions to get the least common multiple and the greatest common divisor (Alberth) 01:37:28 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:55 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1E491.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:25:47 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1E491.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:27:11 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:27:32 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177136170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Ich werde morgen frÃŒh mal so richtig gepflegt Kuchen backen.] 02:31:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B782.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:33:37 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 02:59:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:08:22 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:12 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:28:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.215.0] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 03:38:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:47:02 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 03:47:02 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:03 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 04:41:51 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 04:41:51 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:17:08 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:41:38 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 05:41:38 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:42 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:39 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 05:46:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.207] has joined #openttd 05:54:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:07:02 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:06 <George> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Shorter_train_vehicles_21_ says the property can be ut to 3/8, but tests with CB 11 and ARVs in OTTD show that 2/8 and 1/8 work as intended. I like it, so I suggest to modify the wiki to specify these values too. What is the first version of OTTD that supports them? 06:36:17 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 06:39:09 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 06:44:34 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 06:44:34 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:01 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:00:21 <ecke> i started to edit UK renewal due to disable restriction of use other then passenger wagons with GEC-A Eurostar, etc. ... but i really dont know what to do... action 2 and 3 are to much compicated... 07:11:26 <el_en> did you mean "other than"? 07:16:11 <ecke> I d like to use GEC-A Eurostar, Alstom Pendolino, others with freight wagons. 07:16:24 <ecke> el_en ^^ 07:16:35 <ecke> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=774685#p774685 07:24:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 07:29:43 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:29:52 <pavel1269> hi 07:31:41 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:59 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:52:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:53:42 <Alberth> Ha! 07:54:30 <el_en> English only. 07:54:55 * Alberth feels very happy to be able to log in again at #openttd 07:57:24 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:25 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 08:00:05 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:07 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:52 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has joined #openttd 08:12:40 *** claws79 [~anonym@p5B3FEB01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:24 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 08:19:46 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:48 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:05 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:54 *** emjay88 [~michael@123-51-31-185.static-dsl.nsw.aussiewholesale.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:48 <emjay88> does anyone have copies of the original TTD music as midi? 08:46:00 <emjay88> or, how I can get them off the ttd cd? They aren't in sample.cat... 08:46:43 <petern> if it's a windows ttd cd, they're .gm files 08:47:19 <emjay88> gm.cat? 08:47:20 <petern> if it's a dos ttd cd, they're in xxx.cat, and while you can extract them, they're no standard file format 08:47:30 <pavel1269> use google, its easy to find them ;) 08:55:09 <emjay88> got it thanks :) 08:59:58 <el_en> pavel1269: legally? 09:00:30 <pavel1269> :-) 09:01:19 <el_en> not funny 09:01:50 <Gekz> petern: extract what from them, 09:02:34 <petern> the individual files 09:02:51 <Gekz> ah I see. 09:03:53 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 09:04:18 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E491.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:32 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DD9C.versanet.de] has 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11:22:45 *** lolman [~john@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 11:24:10 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:27:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:31:48 <el_en> hello Wolf01 11:32:39 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:26 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 11:46:26 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c38a2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:53:35 <Wolf01> Working copy 'D:\msys\home\OpenTTD\trunk_B\srcrdparty\squirrel' locked 11:53:35 <Wolf01> Please execute the "Cleanup" command. 11:53:37 <Wolf01> mmmh 11:53:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:54:16 <Wolf01> I don't update for 3 weeks and you break all? 11:54:38 <Rubidium> well... duh... we're here to break your checkouts 11:54:44 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has joined #openttd 11:54:49 <Rubidium> just remove the 3rdparty directory 11:56:07 <Wolf01> bah, I did it once and gave the same error, I did it after your suggestion and worked... that's a mistery 11:56:22 <petern> damn that was fast 12:01:39 <Wolf01> AH! I broke something last time I modified my patch... reverting to previous one :P 12:03:45 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:04:25 <Wolf01> ... a stupid copy/paste error :| 12:10:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:45 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:13 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad683cb.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:18:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.223.220] has joined #openttd 12:19:11 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:54 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad3834b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:54 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 12:26:25 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 12:29:27 <frosch123> can everyone with a linux-like system please test, whether "xdg-open" exists, and "xdg-open http://www.openttd.org" does something useful 12:31:57 <Alberth> frosch123: Fedora9, works if you consider opening a web-page useful ;) 12:32:55 <frosch123> yes, thanks, your credit card number was received :) 12:33:39 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:33:49 <thingwath> it is what it should do, instead of my result: ERROR: The browser does not exist. Please reconfigure. 12:33:52 <thingwath> :) 12:34:05 <Noldo> what does it use to select the browser? 12:34:12 <thingwath> and then it runs gnome control dialog for setting up default browser 12:34:19 <thingwath> even though I run KDE, right now 12:35:44 <thingwath> oh, I run it in screen, which outlives this desktop session by a week or something, so has no dbus session bus connection and so on 12:35:58 <thingwath> is this useful? :) 12:38:39 <Rubidium> I don't think OpenTTD would outlive a desktop session 12:39:12 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177143139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:29 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37EEAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:44 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 12:48:44 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:58 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:23 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:51 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:54:05 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:50 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 13:01:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.204.207] has joined #openttd 13:02:31 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 13:02:31 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.223.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:47 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:18 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37EEAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:12 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:56 *** Zahl___ [~Zahl@g227041097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:00 *** Zahl___ is now known as Zahl 13:17:00 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:20 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.22.5] has joined #openttd 13:18:31 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227041097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:57 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:25 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@g228009029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:58 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:52 <Alberth> somebody must have thrown some dice to decide on the order of the widgets in the airport picker window :) 13:24:57 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:07 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 13:25:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:45 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:35:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-158-180.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:37:59 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 13:38:51 <Vikthor> frosch123: Works on mine Gentoo 13:39:11 <frosch123> also works on my gentoo :) 13:39:49 <frosch123> that was most surprising, something that works on both gentoo and the rest of the world 13:40:44 <Alberth> you may have to switch to OpenBSD or Hurd to stay incompatible. 13:40:48 <petern> xdg-open worked for me but wasn't installed by default 13:41:27 <frosch123> not by default, hmm, that is bad 13:42:56 <Alberth> I don't think such a program exists. 13:44:48 <Alberth> maybe we should have a setting for 'browser program' 13:44:53 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:53 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 13:45:22 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has joined #openttd 13:45:26 <frosch123> which defaults to "rm -rf /" 13:46:04 <Alberth> that would fail anyway here :) 13:46:21 <Alberth> hmm, got to go, I'll bbl 13:46:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:51:56 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 14:04:54 <eQualizer> I have buses which go around one block, instead of going to the busstop. They just go around around around... 14:05:17 <eQualizer> But if I remove some road, they go to the busstop without any problem. 14:05:35 <eQualizer> Some road from the block they are going around. 14:05:48 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 14:06:24 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:02 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:25 <frosch123> using 0.6.3? something similiar was fixed somewehn 14:17:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:31:02 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:10 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 14:35:10 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:15 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 14:49:16 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has joined #openttd 15:03:19 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:09:27 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:19:28 *** Markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:15 *** Markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:58 <planetmaker> Vikthor: you might want to update the config of your Tycoonez server. 10 clients and 8 companies isn't exactly what is possible with your server version ;) 15:27:58 <eQualizer> frosch123: 0.7.0-RC1 15:28:21 *** Turnskin [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has joined #openttd 15:28:27 <Turnskin> Hi all again! 15:30:16 <Turnskin> 1st, i tried to use PBSignals and found it completely crazy. The usual presignals work as they must - the train never go to red signal. 15:30:32 *** Janra [~Janra@dsl-hkibras1-ff50c300-117.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:31:25 <planetmaker> Vikthor: (unless of course it is wanted to limit the client number) 15:31:29 <Janra> Hullo 15:31:43 <Turnskin> But in case of onethread twoway railway my 3 trains began to destroy each other :( 15:32:28 <planetmaker> Turnskin: then you got your signaling wrong ;) 15:32:30 <[wito]> Turnskin: how did you set it up? 15:32:35 <Turnskin> That's why i try to make this type of reilway be based on the presignals only. 15:32:40 <planetmaker> only place a path signal where a train is allowed to stop 15:33:37 <Turnskin> Guys, this problem was chatted about this night (my night :) ). 15:34:23 <Turnskin> My aim was to build onethread twoway path for any quantity of trains. And mr. Yexo adviced me to use PBS. 15:35:25 <Turnskin> But now i can say the only thing - i used presignals and i'll do it until the more functional scheme will be programmed. 15:36:00 <Turnskin> 'cause PBS now looks more toy than a real feature. 15:36:02 <Janra> My trains select the wrong path despite my usage of pre-signals, so they wait at a red path instead of selecting the free one. Has anyone had similar problems? (The signals themselves work correctly, the trains just don't choose the green one) 15:36:09 <planetmaker> obviously you then didn't understand how path signals work :) 15:36:47 <planetmaker> Janra: is the train lost? 15:36:55 <Rubidium> Janra: then your network is flawed or trains have no orders 15:37:15 <Turnskin> planetmaker Yep. But our signalling scheme now seems very crazy and unrealistic. 15:37:29 <planetmaker> Not really, Turnskin :) 15:37:37 <planetmaker> path signals are actually quite realistic 15:37:50 <Janra> The train *might* be lost (but I can't figure out how to use waypoints because it's a dual track), and yes, the train has orders 15:37:50 <planetmaker> (oh,.... don't mention the r-word :P ) 15:37:57 <Turnskin> I understand - there's a red signal and a green one. Red=stop, green=go. 15:38:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:38:14 <planetmaker> Turnskin: ?? 15:39:17 <Turnskin> You know, the situation then 2-way signal means "go in any direction" and 1-way means "go in this direction only" sounds strange. 15:40:22 <Turnskin> planetmaker I can't understand (being well-known with usual signals) the thing then a PBS faced in the opposite direction lets the train path it! 15:40:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:40:37 <Turnskin> pass? (sorry for my English) 15:41:01 <planetmaker> Turnskin: then use one-way path signals instead of those which allow passing from the back 15:41:10 <planetmaker> though I consider that very useful and desirable 15:41:18 <planetmaker> and realistic ;) 15:41:32 <Turnskin> Oh! I would to tell the Implementors a bug of ver. 0.7 15:41:51 <planetmaker> bugs.openttd.org 15:42:04 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37EEAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:05 <Turnskin> The bug is that station near some industries begin to be nuts. 15:42:14 <planetmaker> very accurate... :S 15:42:53 <pavel1269> haha http://petapedia.ic.cz/lolcatsdotcomxy4wwqbmg4sdmujf.jpg 15:43:16 <Turnskin> E.g. foodprocessing factory begins to: accept fruit/accept passengers/disaccept fruits/disaccept passengers with period of 2 days or so. 15:43:18 <el_en> pavel1269: off-topic 15:43:50 <planetmaker> using ecs vectors? changed newgrf during game? 15:44:07 <Rubidium> the station is near a town in tropical, right? 15:45:07 <Turnskin> planetmaker I had an idea then signals are trigger-based. This means: one signal is "trigger" and is turned on/off by passing train. 15:45:46 <Turnskin> The other (controlled) signal is turned on/off by the state of the trigger. 15:46:19 <Turnskin> And user can set triggers and their controlled signals manually. 15:47:10 <planetmaker> Turnskin: you know priorities? http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Priorities 15:47:10 <Turnskin> And this scheme could work even in not-connected paths. 15:47:29 <planetmaker> no need for path signals in order to achieve that 15:47:40 <planetmaker> it's actually _completely_ unrelated 15:47:49 <Turnskin> Rubidium In the last situation i met, the station was about 50 tiles from any town. 15:48:10 <Turnskin> Much then 50 15:48:36 <Turnskin> Yes, it was in tropicals. 15:48:41 <Rubidium> ah well.. no savegame == no way to tell without guessing for eons 15:48:55 <planetmaker> :) 15:49:00 <Turnskin> i used Pikka's industries and NARS. 15:49:06 <planetmaker> and the quiz must go on :P 15:49:11 <Turnskin> Well, just a moment... 15:49:24 <Rubidium> then turn off stockpiling if you don't want stations to stop accepting 15:49:37 <Turnskin> Rubidium Tell me please where can i upload my saves? 15:50:17 <Turnskin> As i know, Pikka's industries don't use stockpiles (instead of ECS)? 15:50:24 <planetmaker> they do. 15:50:32 <Rubidium> Turnskin: then reread the documentation of PBI 15:50:34 <Turnskin> Aaaaa.... 15:51:26 <Turnskin> But what is a passengers acception? For a station far from any town? 15:51:37 <planetmaker> actually: stockpiling isn't the problem, but the limit to the stockpiles in PBI ;) 15:52:12 <Rubidium> maybe the stockpile limit causes passengers to be not acccepted too 15:52:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:35 <Turnskin> OK, i understood. (Learning, learning and learning as grandpa Lenin said! :) ) 15:52:38 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:52:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 15:53:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:05 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:16 <Turnskin> Rubidium The fun is that station accepts passengers being VERY far from any town or oil rig. 15:53:37 <planetmaker> maybe steel plant? 15:53:39 <Rubidium> well... other industries are allowed to accept passengers too 15:53:50 <Turnskin> What? 15:54:02 <pavel1269> "other industries are allowed to accept passengers too" 15:54:06 <Turnskin> Pikka's indurstries do it? 15:54:26 <Turnskin> OK, i must LEARN :) 15:54:27 <Alberth> Turnskin: examine with the query tool 15:55:12 <Turnskin> OK guys, very nice to chat this you and to get help. Thanx! 15:56:41 <Turnskin> I'm oldschool player and these features are not so clear for me. I played TTDP and OTTD 2 years ago and now returned to this crazy game. 15:57:30 <Turnskin> So, good luck in railway'ing :) 15:58:32 <Alberth> Rubidium: tnx for finishing #2704 (resizing at left edge of the window)! 15:59:22 *** Turnskin [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has left #openttd [] 16:01:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:11:45 <Vikthor> planetmaker: Thanks, though I already know that. We in Tycoonez have still to talk about that. 16:11:55 <planetmaker> :) 16:12:06 <planetmaker> ok, I just wondered when I looked at the server list 16:12:27 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 16:18:44 <planetmaker> btw, Vikthor : any progress on the discussion among you tycoonez guys concerning bananas? 16:19:14 <Vikthor> not yet 16:20:01 <planetmaker> oh, a pity :( 16:21:52 <pavel1269> i want banana 16:22:03 <Vikthor> Well, most people took stance that restricting uploading to bananas only to authors is bad, that it would be better if it was decided only by licence or at least that authors should be able to delegate person to handle it 16:22:32 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 16:22:37 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:41 <planetmaker> he :) I understand that view, Vikthor :) 16:23:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:25:08 <planetmaker> if an AI goes bancrupt, will it start anew automatically? 16:27:12 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0CCFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:36 *** ksdfi9933 [~weechat@gw-wue-02.my-wire.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:57 <ecke> Yexo ... problem solved 16:29:08 <ecke> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=774796#p774796 16:30:32 <ksdfi9933> in game i cannot build railroad tracks, nor can i build nor can i build road vehicle depots or bus stations, but i have copied all .grf files to the /data directory 16:31:00 <planetmaker> maybe too early year so that no train is available yet? 16:31:02 <glx> planetmaker: when the company is removed yes 16:31:22 <planetmaker> glx: the company will then be removed automatically when bancrupt? 16:31:29 <planetmaker> (I assume so, but...) 16:31:38 <glx> yes as it always did 16:31:55 <planetmaker> good to know :) 16:32:26 <planetmaker> I was just worried for the towncar AI - but if restarts automatically when the previous instance goes bancrupt, that's fine :P 16:32:27 <ksdfi9933> planetmaker: havn't thought about that, but your right ;) 1860 16:32:59 <|Japa|> he he 16:33:15 <planetmaker> I really like the idea of the town car AI :) 16:33:18 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0C0E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:24 <ksdfi9933> planetmaker: but if i cant build busses etc. how can i transport things in openttd? 16:33:40 <|Japa|> I think the earliest you can build railroads is with the US set, which is 1830, I think 16:33:43 <planetmaker> If you cannot build anything, you cannot transport anything. Simple :P 16:33:54 <planetmaker> glx: thanks for the info :) 16:34:32 <ksdfi9933> nevertheless i am offered to connect cities by bus lines :? 16:34:43 <ksdfi9933> planetmaker: thx 16:35:13 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:53 <planetmaker> ksdfi9933: that's different. Subsidies are offered by towns, if you establish a certain service. They don't worry about the availability of vehicles 16:36:09 <planetmaker> that's your problem so-to-say :P - not theirs :) 16:38:25 <|Japa|> http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/9y2n3s9oysc49tnr67.png 16:38:36 <|Japa|> NARS has trains at 1831 16:38:45 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:48 <[wito]> ksdfi9933: also, the eGRVTS has horsies 16:39:52 <[wito]> available from 1700 16:40:17 <|Japa|> piut them together, and you just need sailing ships 16:40:24 <[wito]> that 16:40:29 <[wito]> that'd be AWSUM 16:41:30 <|Japa|> personally, I'd want Ox carts that have a higher capacity, but lower top speed, than horse carts 16:41:42 <[wito]> and earlier intro date 16:41:51 <|Japa|> yeah 16:41:52 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:53 <[wito]> what you'd really need, tho', was year-sensitive industries 16:41:55 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 16:41:58 <|Japa|> not that that would be needed :P 16:42:37 <[wito]> so that farms that pop before a certain date has one style, those after has a later 16:42:41 <|Japa|> funny thing is, the horse carts are still better than some of the earlier trucks 16:42:53 <Forked> why not canal boats like they had on the british isles during the industrial revoluiton? horsies pulling them I belive? 16:43:05 <|Japa|> also, steel mill can't pop before a certain date 16:43:27 <|Japa|> Forked, that woud be really hard to impliment 16:43:53 <Forked> true, but :) 16:43:55 <[wito]> indeed it would 16:44:53 <Tefad> aren't canals prohibitedly expensive in early game? 16:45:06 <|Japa|> yeah, they are 16:46:14 <Janra> Will trains start behaving oddly when lost (e.g. selecting inappropriate paths at singal junctions) 16:46:24 <Tefad> maybe 16:46:28 <|Japa|> they don't chose the wrong one 16:46:41 <|Japa|> usually... 16:52:00 <Alberth> Janra: usually a sign that your junction design is flawed 16:53:22 <Alberth> Janra: If you have enabled servicing, trains will go to a 'foreign' depot along their route if they need service, and then try to continue their old route even if that is not possible from the depot. 16:53:47 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 16:54:51 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:13 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:15 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:35 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [] 16:56:53 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:36 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:46 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:48 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:45 <George> Who plans OTTD future? What is required to add tasks to Roadmap 0.8.0? 17:02:21 <George> I'd like to ask 1) ARVs can overtake each other 17:02:40 <George> 2) Realistic acceleration for RVs 17:02:47 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:48 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 17:03:50 <Rubidium> nobody really plans and you need a developer with the incentive of implementing your feature requests 17:06:04 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:56 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:51 <George> Are these features in someone's todo list? 17:10:04 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:34 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:42 <Alberth> George: yes, the someone developer has no problem accepting new tasks. I have yet to see him commit anything though. 17:11:53 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:15:38 <petern> i have 'realistic' acceleration of rvs somewhere 17:20:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 17:20:57 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:06 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:43 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:25:55 <George> petern: Good. 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18:29:43 <Darkvater> it needs to have a name doesn't it? 18:30:00 <el_en> why is it in "quotes"? 18:30:28 <Darkvater> cause Rubidium had to get rid of a few quotes to meet his monthly quota 18:30:48 <el_en> "i see" 18:31:39 <Darkvater> meh, the dollar didn't drop enough the last few days :- 18:32:32 <el_en> you want the dollar to drop? are you an evil communist? 18:33:03 <Darkvater> no, I'm a european look for cheap deals in the US 18:33:35 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:10 <el_en> flights to US would be comfortably inexpensive now 18:45:05 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:21 <Darkvater> hmm 155 dollars :s 18:45:22 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:45:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:32 <Darkvater> it used to be only 100 euros, now it's 114 :( 18:46:56 <el_en> would you like the pound value more? 18:47:08 <Darkvater> :) 18:49:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15780 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 18:50:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-21 18:49:32 18:50:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changed by planetmaker (2) 18:50:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 18 fixed by EScake (18) 18:50:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 27 fixed, 1 changed by Devastator (28) 18:50:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 29 fixed by coolik (29) 18:50:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 9 fixed by SnowFlake (9) 18:51:32 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:55:27 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 18:56:46 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.22.5] has joined #openttd 18:56:46 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1160 18:56:46 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 18:58:22 *** Guest1160 [~KenjiE20@92.20.22.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:05:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.204.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:29 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 19:07:29 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15781 /trunk/src/ai/ai_info_dummy.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: Missing "AIs" in the information the debug AI prints. 19:10:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15782 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: replace some calls to the all text drawing API to the new one. 19:11:28 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Channel Error +++] 19:14:59 <Alberth> Rubidium: filling of vertical container is broken, currently repairing the problem 19:20:23 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.31.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:07 <Alberth> Rubidium: are you interested in more NWidgetPart arrays at this time? 19:30:48 <petern> just do it all 19:31:02 <Rubidium> Alberth: if the basics all work then why not 19:31:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15783 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make the dropdown draw code pass around the left/right instead of the x and width to make drawing text at offsets easier. 19:38:35 <planetmaker> I added a "load scenario" entry to the load/save menu accessible from ingame: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2754 19:39:14 <planetmaker> quite handy, if one checks out several scenarios. And after all it's kind of the same as load new game :) 19:40:35 <Alberth> petern: that's what I am doing. Started at airport_gui today, and working my way through the alphabet :) 19:41:10 <petern> is the framework in place then? 19:42:37 <Alberth> in my version it is :) 19:43:16 <Alberth> and Rubidium seems busy extending it already 19:45:02 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:03 <ecke> can I save game edit graphic and then load game? ... during multiplayer 19:55:00 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:13 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:42 <Alberth> ecke: I have no idea what you intend to do, "edit graphic" ? 20:02:20 <el_en> does someone _has_ an opinion about Haiku OS? 20:02:22 <ecke> Alberth .. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=774796#p774796 20:02:54 <Rubidium> apply newgrfs on a running game? That's not a wise thing to do 20:04:01 <petern> el_en: are you bjarni? 20:05:45 <el_en> petern: let me check my passport, it's right next to me... no, i don't seem to be bjarni. 20:06:00 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 20:06:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15784 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r15779): TextAlignment and TA_* already exist on windows 20:08:33 <Alberth> ecke: no idea what you are doing. 20:08:53 <petern> el_en, then you must be deliberately confusing has and have 20:08:57 <petern> glx: ... ahaha 20:11:33 <el_en> petern: it has possible. 20:12:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15785 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: remove the *Truncated part of the old text drawing API. 20:23:29 *** pschorf [~paul@24-217-42-67.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #openttd 20:25:28 *** frogger [~argriffi@cpe-071-077-029-220.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:34 <frogger> hi i installed the nightly build from source 20:26:57 <frogger> and i unzipped the extra files into ~/.openttd 20:27:16 <frogger> but i cant figure out how to make the program go 20:27:19 <frogger> any suggestions? 20:28:03 <pschorf> frogger, the old grf files need to go into the data folder 20:29:09 <Rubidium> what does 'installed from source' mean? What OS? 20:29:12 <frogger> ok so i have actually never run openttd before. 20:29:22 <pschorf> frogger, what OS are you using? 20:29:24 <frogger> i have ubuntu 20:29:30 <pschorf> ok 20:29:38 <frogger> by installed from source i mean 20:29:41 <frogger> ./configure 20:29:42 <frogger> make 20:29:44 <frogger> make install 20:29:54 <frogger> plus i know that you need extra files 20:30:09 <pschorf> what happens if you type "openttd" into terminal? 20:30:10 <frogger> so I unzipped the zip file of them into ~/.openttd 20:30:24 <frogger> it is not valid command 20:30:39 <frogger> "the program is not currently installed" 20:30:49 <pschorf> did make install execute without errors? 20:31:04 <frogger> as a side note, i also tried installing openttd using "sudo apt-get install openttd" 20:31:26 <pschorf> also, make install should be run as root, using sudo 20:31:27 <frogger> but i deleted this when i saw that it needed versions of the extra files that i do not have. 20:31:41 <frogger> yes, i acutally did "sudo make install" 20:31:44 <pschorf> ok 20:32:08 <frogger> "sudo make install" did not complain in any way that suggested an error 20:32:18 <frogger> each of the three steps seemed to work 20:33:10 <Rubidium> frogger: are the trg*.grf and sample.cat in ~/.openttd/data (as described in do not readme.txt) 20:34:00 <pschorf> Is there a bug tracker site for OpenTTD? 20:34:01 <frogger> i do not have a data directory in ~/.openttd 20:34:30 <frogger> authoroverview.xls COPYING OpenGFX_Alpha4.2.tar readme.txt scenario 20:34:30 <frogger> content_download opengfx1r OpenGFX_Alpha4.2.zip save 20:34:41 <frogger> that is what i have in ~/.openttd 20:34:55 <frogger> and it says not to unzip these archive files 20:35:26 <frogger> if i am doing it wrong, where should i get the trg*.grf and sample.cat? 20:35:47 <pschorf> you need a copy of the original transportation tycoon deluxe 20:36:01 <pschorf> it is on abandonia.com, i believe 20:36:06 <frogger> I thought that there were free replacements for these files. 20:36:32 <frogger> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=40162 20:36:41 <pschorf> there are, although i haven't used them 20:38:04 <frogger> ok so does anyone know how to use openttd without pirating a graphics file? 20:38:04 <pschorf> try extracting the zip file of the replacement graphics into /usr/share/games/openttd/data 20:38:37 <Rubidium> frogger: the OpenGFX tar needs to be in ~/.openttd/data/ 20:38:51 *** pschorf [~paul@24-217-42-67.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39:54 <glx> the other way is to get it using ingame content download (but you need original files for that) 20:40:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15786 /trunk/src/engine_gui.cpp: -Codechange: enumify the engine preview widgets (and use them) 20:40:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15787 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: enumify the land info and about window widgets and use them. 20:42:44 <Ammler> heya, has the setting path_backoff_interval ever been tested in a stable yapp? 20:43:03 <Ammler> it seems quite useless... 20:44:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: take whatever ottdcoop final with YAPP (the more trains the better) and set it to 0 20:44:19 <Ammler> 1 is min 20:44:25 <Ammler> and we set that always to that 20:44:48 <Ammler> that is why I think, it is useless :-) 20:45:27 <Ammler> I guess, that setting was introduces in a unstable state of yapp... ;-) 20:45:41 <frogger> so i should make a directory called ~/.openttd 20:45:51 <frogger> and then make a directory inside this one called data 20:45:52 *** dgriff [~chatzilla@r74-192-38-122.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:16 <frogger> and then unzip http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=100691 into this file 20:46:21 <frogger> *directory 20:46:25 <Ammler> we don't have a pbs only game. 20:49:21 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:50:06 <frogger> now when i type "openttd" it says "bash: /user/games/openttd: No such file or directory" 20:50:15 <petern> Ammler: what do you expect it to do? 20:50:56 <frogger> when i type "which openttd" i get no information 20:51:29 <frogger> is this because I tried to install using apt-get, then uninstalled using synaptic, then tried to reinstall from source? 20:52:02 <frogger> */usr/games 20:53:51 <glx> so now you compiled from source? 20:54:24 <frogger> ya 20:54:31 <glx> cd source/bin 20:54:34 <glx> ./openttd 20:54:34 <frogger> i've tried three different ways to install 20:54:50 <frogger> and i've tried installing the extra files to two different directories 20:54:57 <Alberth> frogger: usually binaries are installed in some 'bin' directory 20:55:23 <frogger> yes they are, but usually "sudo make install" puts a link to them somewhere on the path 20:55:46 <Ammler> [21:50] <petern> Ammler: what do you expect it to do? <-- the default makes pbs very slow in usual games. 20:55:48 <frogger> in my experience if I try to run a binary directly from its build /bin directory then it fails in various ways 20:56:01 <glx> openttd works from there 20:56:08 <frogger> kk 20:56:14 <Ammler> with 1 it bahaves like the block signals. 20:56:25 <Ammler> be* 20:56:37 <Alberth> you opened a new bash shell after install? (shells tend to cache where to find commands) 20:58:31 <Alberth> frogger: you can the built openttd in its bin directory even without further install. It uses ~/.openttd and its bin/* sub-dirs. read the readme for more details on how openttd finds its data 21:01:12 <frogger> So openttd runs when I run its binary directly, but it says that "Your 'sample.cat' file is corrupted or missing!" 21:01:24 <frogger> I now have sample.cat files scattered all over 21:01:32 <frogger> ~/.openttd 21:01:37 <frogger> ~/.openttd/data 21:02:22 <frogger> /usr/local/share/openttd/data 21:02:55 <Ammler> but I don't recognize any difference on cpu usage, with default (20) or 1 21:03:11 <frogger> */usr/local/share/games/openttd/data 21:04:37 <Frostregen> sourcedir/bin/data 21:05:43 <frogger> ok i will try that 21:08:06 <frogger> it still says that my sample.cat file is corrupted or missing 21:08:11 <frogger> but the game seems to start ok 21:09:34 <Frostregen> do you have sounds? 21:11:38 <frogger> i dont know, let me put my headphones on 21:11:39 *** Janra [~Janra@dsl-hkibras1-ff50c300-117.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: åããŸããŠãå°çã®æ·µ] 21:11:51 <frogger> i cant hear anything. 21:12:22 <Frostregen> i think sample.cat contains the sound samples 21:12:31 <Frostregen> maybe yours is really corrupt 21:12:42 <frogger> lol 21:12:44 <Yexo> it does but you don't need them to play 21:12:49 <frogger> ok i dont care about sound anyway 21:12:56 <Yexo> and if you downloaded opengfx you won't have that file 21:13:10 <frogger> well the file is in opengfx 21:13:27 <frogger> but it is in a subdirectory with a warning file next to it 21:13:31 <Frostregen> care to do a: md5sum sample.cat 21:13:34 <Frostregen> ? 21:13:41 <frogger> kk 21:13:50 <Ammler> frogger: with a readme, I guess ;-) 21:13:57 <Frostregen> 9212e81e72badd4bbe1eaeae66458e10 21:15:01 *** pschorf [~paul@24-217-42-67.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:11 <frogger> ok so the sample.cat is zero bytes 21:15:38 <frogger> thanks guys it looks like i can start making some trains 21:15:45 <Frostregen> ok, hf :) 21:16:19 <pschorf> does anyone have any ideas on some easier bugs that I can work on? 21:16:22 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:25 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 21:16:31 <pschorf> I'm interested in helping out a bit if possible 21:18:00 <Yexo> pschorf: were you here a few days ago with the same question or was that someone else? 21:18:10 <pschorf> Yexo, someone else 21:18:24 <Yexo> ah, ok :) 21:18:52 <petern> Ammler: http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/really.sav < test with 'realistic' scenario and tell me there's no difference... 21:19:12 <Yexo> pschorf: are you aware of bugs.openttd.org? 21:19:38 <pschorf> Yexo, i found it earlier this morning...although i wasn't quite sure what to do with any of the bugs i read :( 21:20:16 <Yexo> I'm afraid there are no 'easy' bugs left, as those tend to be solved quite quickly 21:21:14 <pschorf> hmm.... 21:21:22 <Yexo> however there are several features you could implement 21:21:37 <Yexo> pschorf: and we have http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r15762/logs/general-docs-error.log ;) 21:21:54 <Yexo> as in, a lot of code lacks proper documentation 21:21:58 <frosch123> (which was also shown the other guy :) ) 21:22:06 <frogger> when i look for servers on the internet using "find servers" nothing happens 21:22:21 <Yexo> that's easy to fix and it therefor it will be implemented fast (if you diff is ok of course) 21:22:56 <pschorf> Yexo, so the documenting is a good place to start? 21:23:25 <frosch123> it is a good place to start learning the code, but maybe a boring one :) 21:23:47 <Yexo> imo the best place to start is with something you like 21:24:01 <Alberth> pschorf: I use as standard tactic for new code, start reading and document along the way until you get enough understanding to try changing something 21:24:09 <Yexo> ie I started coding a patch that implemented restrictions for waypoints 21:24:25 <Yexo> the code was pretty bad, but while writing that patch I learned a lot of the code 21:24:51 <frosch123> hehe, true, luckily noone knows which attempt my first patch was heading for :) 21:25:03 <Yexo> so I'd say pick a feature you would like (no matter how hard it looks like), and just try to see how far you come 21:25:11 <pschorf> ok 21:25:17 <Yexo> don't be disappointed if nobody likes that first patch, but you can learn a lot that way 21:25:26 <pschorf> ha 21:25:29 <Rubidium> frosch123: your firewall is blocking the packets I reckon 21:25:44 <pschorf> i'll see what i can do 21:25:50 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:51 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 21:26:01 <frosch123> Rubidium: "fro" is not unique 21:26:18 <frogger> how do i tell if my packets are blocked 21:26:21 <Yexo> pschorf: have fun :) And don't be afraid to ask for help here, as long as you don't overdo it (ie questions are fine, a new question every 5 minutes is not) 21:26:34 <planetmaker> pschorf: despite what Yexo sais, I reccomend to not start with a _huge_ patch ;) 21:26:48 * Yexo agrees with planetmaker 21:27:06 <Yexo> although it's hard to know what's 'huge' and what is not before you learn your way around the code a bit 21:27:22 <planetmaker> the way I started getting into the code was looking at existing patches and trying to update them. 21:27:24 * petern remembers one of his early 'small' patches 21:27:32 * planetmaker agrees with Yexo :) 21:27:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15788 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: enumify the network join status widgets and use them. 21:27:43 <petern> the one with bridges over diagonal track... 21:28:17 <Ammler> ok petern, there might be a difference :-) 21:28:22 <planetmaker> petern: I guess that's a nice one :) :P Can we have bridges over diagonal tracks?!? :P 21:28:23 <pschorf> thanks for all your help 21:28:33 <petern> it started off at about 10KB... 21:28:43 <pschorf> i'm sure i'll be back with questions at some point 21:28:47 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:28:51 <frogger> when i "check online content" my packets are not blocked 21:28:58 <petern> and ended up a couple of hundred or something 21:29:02 <petern> and then the best bit was 21:29:19 <petern> i did throw a wobbler when i had to throw it all away :p 21:29:39 <petern> no 21:29:43 <petern> i did*n't* :/ 21:29:59 <petern> that was before i was a dev :p 21:30:11 <frogger> ok so what does the "find server" button actually do 21:30:18 <petern> it finds servers 21:30:21 <planetmaker> what's a synonym for "throwing a wobbler"? My dict doesn't know it...? 21:30:24 <petern> make sure it says Internet, not LAN 21:30:28 <frogger> it is 21:30:40 <Rubidium> it's sending/receiving loads of UDP packets 21:30:42 <petern> planetmaker: see richk 21:31:06 <frogger> well maybe i will break out wireshark then and see wat is up 21:31:49 <planetmaker> throw a wobbly? 21:31:56 <petern> no 21:31:58 <petern> wobbler 21:32:14 <frogger> my packets are throwing a wobbler 21:32:23 <petern> planetmaker: "yfgi" ;) 21:32:30 <frogger> they are spitting the dummy 21:34:33 <planetmaker> err... whatever 21:34:46 <planetmaker> http://www.google.de/search?q=yfgi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a <-- doesn't look like :P 21:35:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:35:42 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:36:18 <petern> ... 21:41:20 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:38 <frogger> ok so clicking "Find server" apparently sends a 4 byte UDP message to openttd.org port 3978 21:43:45 <frogger> what is supposed to happen next 21:44:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15789 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add DiagdirBetweenTiles() and use it. 21:44:36 <Rubidium> a ~ 1 kB packet should be returned 21:45:02 <petern> er 21:45:05 <petern> actually 21:45:21 <petern> it's not working for me either 21:45:34 <frosch123> for me it works 21:45:35 <petern> hmm 21:45:40 <Rubidium> it works for me 21:45:42 <Yexo> doesn't work here 21:45:49 <Yexo> usijng 0.7.0-RC1 21:46:00 <Yexo> oops, that was too fast :( 21:46:06 <Yexo> forgot to select 'internet' 21:46:13 <petern> mmm 21:46:16 <Rubidium> branches/0.7 works for me too 21:46:21 <petern> maybe this torrent is stopping it :o 21:47:19 <petern> yeah 21:47:22 <petern> works now :p 21:48:05 <petern> hmm 21:48:15 <petern> but the servers page gives me a 500 error 21:49:08 <planetmaker> I got today from time to time error 500 for various parts of *.openttd.org 21:52:05 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 21:57:46 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15790 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove the *Centered part of the old text drawing API. 22:05:20 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:39 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:05:57 <Yexo> hello Nite_Owl 22:06:10 <Nite_Owl> Hello Yexo 22:09:30 <Nite_Owl> So who gets today's nightly blame? 22:09:49 <Rubidium> Windows 22:10:43 <Nite_Owl> When all else fails blame Micro$oft 22:12:58 <thingwath> Blame the crisis. Very popular. :o) 22:14:04 <Nite_Owl> You could blame AIG or Congress but that only holds true on this side of the pond 22:14:42 <KingJ> We've got our fair share of people to blame on this side too, rest assured 22:15:00 <thingwath> Or just blame the other side. :) 22:15:09 <Nite_Owl> too true unfortunately 22:15:26 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:34 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 22:16:15 <Rubidium> still, the nightly compiled on all important platforms ;) 22:16:55 <frosch123> like macos 22:17:35 * Nite_Owl hits a penguin over the head with an apple 22:19:01 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:39 <Rubidium> it's just to show the 'noobs' that not every nightly works fine 22:19:53 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:21:31 <petern> ((r.top + r.bottom + 1) >> 1) - 5 + clicked 22:21:34 <petern> nasty :) 22:21:36 <Nite_Owl> back in the day the "do not blame us if it eats your saved game" message was enough to keep me away for awhile 22:22:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15791 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove the *RightAligned part of the old text drawing API. 22:22:35 <petern> that should really be (r.top + r.bottom + 1 - textheight) / 2 + clicked 22:22:47 <petern> but no doubt we'll get to that 22:24:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E491.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:26 *** dgriff [~chatzilla@r74-192-38-122.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 22:25:45 <frosch123> hehe, the next nightly will be mine :) 22:26:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15792 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use a different algorithm for train vehicles to follow the vehicle in front of them. 22:29:37 *** frogger [~argriffi@cpe-071-077-029-220.nc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:30:06 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 22:33:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15793 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Feature: Allow train vehicles to be shorten to 1/8 length, even if not at the end of the train. 22:39:48 <petern> what about road vehicles? 22:40:03 <frosch123> they never had that restriction 22:40:07 <petern> righto 22:42:14 <frosch123> and it even works for them :) 22:46:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15794 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove the DoDrawString part of the old text drawing API 22:47:36 <petern> Rubidium's on a roll 22:48:00 <petern> I hope we won't have to backport any GUI fixes :p 22:49:19 <Rubidium> ah well, it's not as annoying as C -> C++ was for backporting 22:49:30 <Rubidium> it's ONLY limited to the GUI 22:49:38 <petern> :) 22:52:41 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:53:15 * frosch123 is bored, let's highlight sacro 22:53:25 <Sacro> :( 22:53:37 * Sacro is bored, let's highlight Darkvater 22:55:13 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 22:55:13 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:32 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings#Trivia <-- :-o patch settings came from TTDPatch, lol 22:57:27 <Yexo> that may or may not be true, but FooBar did an awesome job on creating those Advanced_Settings/* wiki pages 22:57:49 <frosch123> Ammler: add [citation needed] 22:58:03 <Yexo> frosch123: we're not wikipedia! 22:58:14 <Ammler> :-) 22:58:38 <Ammler> Yexo: indeed, I was just wondeing, foobar might know it better :-) 22:59:29 <Ammler> or more suprised 23:00:21 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 23:00:49 <Yexo> Ammler: I really have no idea where the name "patch settings" comes from, though I suspects it's from adding a patch (as in source code) that added a new option 23:00:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DD9C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:03:58 <Ammler> yexo, that is what I thought all the time too. settings beside of the original, maybe that might be sources from TTDPatch 23:14:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:23 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 23:16:23 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15795 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Move the settings table from settings.cpp to table/settings.h. Patch breaking time :) 23:17:50 <Nite_Owl> returned from feeding 23:19:38 <Nite_Owl> looks like you are going to hit r15800 before the day is done 23:19:59 <Yexo> more than 23 hours to go, should be possible :) 23:20:39 <petern> 40 minutes! 23:20:50 <Nite_Owl> darn time zones - before you go to sleep 23:21:56 <Tefad> four hours forty minutes 23:23:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15796 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp gfx_func.h): -Codechange: unify multiline drawstrings 23:27:31 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 23:27:31 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:20 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:31:47 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:58 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:35:22 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:45:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15797 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make users of the old DrawStringMultiLine use the new one. 23:45:46 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:46 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 23:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15798 /trunk/src/table/settings.h: -Fix (r15795): gcc doesn't like static functions that are not declared static. 23:46:27 <TinoDidriksen> Who'd have thunk... 23:47:16 <Yexo> thunk? :p 23:47:27 <Yexo> msvc didn't complain this time ;) 23:48:49 <TinoDidriksen> thunk = thought, for silly cases. 23:49:01 <planetmaker> he... I guess that was that: /Users/ingo/ottd/trunk/src/settings.cpp:655: error: 'bool v_PositionMainToolbar(int32)' was declared 'extern' and later 'static' 23:49:18 <Yexo> planetmaker: yes, it was 23:50:10 <planetmaker> :) you're fast :) 23:50:32 <Yexo> Rubidium was fast reporting the problem 23:51:05 <pavel1269> gn ppl 23:51:17 <petern> 9 minutes for 2 commits? 23:51:33 <Nite_Owl> later pavel1269 23:52:04 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Pohodlné vykecávánÃ. Odkudkoliv.] 23:52:08 <Yexo> petern: you don't have a patch lying around you can commit? :p 23:52:18 <petern> i have tons 23:52:25 <frosch123> 2 commits is also enough for a revert :p 23:52:29 <planetmaker> compiles :) 23:52:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c38a2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:57 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:55:20 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:43 *** ksdfi9933 [~weechat@gw-wue-02.my-wire.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 23:59:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15799 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Save rail type label list to savegame and perform mapping on load if necessary.