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00:13:35 <Tefad> what country? 00:20:39 <theholyduck> Tefad, norwegian 00:20:45 <sigmund> Should be Norwegian, its their Constitution Day 00:20:49 <theholyduck> all other patriotic music is unpatriotic! 00:20:50 <sigmund> yees 00:21:04 <Tefad> ah ok. 00:21:06 <theholyduck> actually it isnt patriotic as much as anti american 00:21:09 <theholyduck> but over here that counts for the same 00:21:19 <Tefad> hehe 00:21:39 <theholyduck> its by a guy called odd børretzen, called "vi drømte om amerika" litterally we dreamt about america 00:23:23 <sigmund> I would like to point out that it's possibly more about overexxaggeration in general 00:24:31 <theholyduck> sigmund, vi drømte om amerika, hvor alt er stooort og skjønt. hvor formuer og damers bryst er store.. til og hvile pååå. vi drømte om amerikaaaa, men ikke lenger nååå 00:24:36 *** Spiffy [~spiff@122.169.106.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:36 <theholyduck> etc 00:25:21 <sigmund> theholyduck, lenge f?r Colombus dr?mte folk om amerika, tror jeg :) 00:25:27 <theholyduck> in other news, the fact that i managed to find that song on spotify, but that there is no beatles on spotify, proves that there is no god 00:25:33 <theholyduck> sigmund, also something is wrong with your char encoding :P 00:25:44 <sigmund> theholyduck, jeg har bare valgt ? tolke det litt dypere, men du kan nok ha veldig rett :) 00:25:46 <theholyduck> or this shitty windows laptops xchat setup 00:26:02 <theholyduck> sigmund, ever heard the expression "everyone is jesus in purgatory" ? 00:26:05 * Tefad looks at the last section of the topic 00:26:14 * Tefad laughs 00:26:25 <theholyduck> Tefad, im sticking pretty close to that 00:26:40 <Tefad> ja ja. 00:27:00 <sigmund> theholyduck, i believe my setup is pretty much straight forward utf-8 in irssi 00:27:26 <theholyduck> sigmund, i'l take a look at it once i bother firing up my computers xchat, instead of the one on the laptop in synergy 00:27:29 <Tefad> efont ftw. 00:27:31 <theholyduck> synergy makes me lazy. 00:27:33 <Tefad> mmm delicious raster font. 00:28:17 <Sacro> theholyduck: licencing 00:28:18 <theholyduck> sigmund, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory :P 00:28:59 <theholyduck> sigmund, point bieng, why spend effort analysing something, why not just take everything as its face value unless you get extra hillarity from not doing it 00:29:00 <sigmund> thanks, theholyduck :) *reads* 00:31:08 <glx> theholyduck: you are the one with encoding problems 00:31:37 <sigmund> This theory makes my favorite song of his about seagulls extremely frustrating, and also boring.. 00:32:26 <theholyduck> sigmund, well the POINT was :P 00:32:38 <theholyduck> sometime, there is no extra meaning to be had 00:32:53 <theholyduck> but thats not going to stop the speculation 00:33:22 <sigmund> Love the Ringo Starr - quote on the top of that page 00:34:12 <theholyduck> i love the life on mars/ashes to ashes related stuff 00:34:14 <theholyduck> further down 00:34:15 <sigmund> But I guess I should be getting to bed, a constitution I know needs som celebration to be done tomorrow 00:34:26 <theholyduck> sigmund, meh 00:34:29 <theholyduck> who cares 00:34:37 <theholyduck> i sorta stopped bothering 00:34:51 <sigmund> I dont especially, but the Wife insists 00:35:08 *** Spiffy [~spiff@122.169.106.202] has joined #openttd 00:35:15 <Spiffy> got a question regarding patch 00:35:25 <sigmund> So, off to bed, before I hear more talk about the bucket of icy water again 00:35:34 <Spiffy> recently downloaded a patch and when I use Apply Patch using Tortoise a blank window shows up 00:35:45 <Spiffy> instea dof showing up file differences 00:35:48 <theholyduck> sigmund, "Lain. This troper has never seen anyone come up with the same interpretation of that anime twice. Even the creators can't agree on what all of it means. Pro-technology manifesto? Massive religious allegory? Treatise on the negative influences of Western culture on Japanese society? You decide; the Word Of God isn't going to help here." 00:35:48 <Spiffy> any idea why? 00:35:54 * theholyduck loves that quote 00:36:12 <Aali> Spiffy: its probably not a svn patch 00:36:38 <Spiffy> any idea how to patch it ? I use MingW 00:36:41 <glx> tortoise is not a valid patch exe 00:36:45 <Aali> use a real patch tool? 00:37:16 <Spiffy> example? 00:37:24 <Aali> patch 02:58:18 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 03:03:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bc7d:27ec:ed8:e83e] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:09:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:33:57 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-244-26.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:38:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm200.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 03:42:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:51:51 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 03:55:12 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28D480.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:39 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28DC54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 04:52:06 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:00 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:38:03 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 06:42:51 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:20 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 06:54:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CCA3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:59:25 <Alberth> Good morrrrrninggg OpenTTD !!! 07:09:26 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:56 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 07:39:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:55:03 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:24 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12:53 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:13:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CCA3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:19:43 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.214.166] has joined #openttd 08:20:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CCA3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:42:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:43:23 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:54:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:54:53 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 09:05:43 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:06:17 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:13 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:12:33 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@89.243.145.11] has joined #openttd 09:15:31 <Chruker> Set by glx!glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bc7c:dbc3:b47c:c665 on Thu May 14 22:42:56 << is he on an ip6 network? 09:16:59 <Alberth> no, all ip4 addresses look like that :p 09:17:33 <Forked> IPv4^2 09:27:30 <Alberth> or IPv(4+2) 09:31:55 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:32:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf251.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:40:28 * Chruker sits in silence pretending to understand :-) 09:41:19 <Chruker> I just wondering why the host part shows like that instead of the usual xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx or a hostname 09:42:47 <SmatZ> :'-( 09:44:38 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:51:14 <Forked> it's just the IP his client is/was using.. 09:51:18 <Forked> IPv6 09:52:19 <SmatZ> Chruker got fooled too easily :( 09:52:35 <Chruker> yeah, looks that way :-) 09:52:57 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 09:57:24 <Forked> I for one welcome vanity IPs.. 09:57:49 <Forked> dead:beef:cafe:babe:c01a .. probably lots of words! 10:01:18 <Chruker> lol 10:01:45 <Chruker> b00b 10:02:39 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 10:04:25 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:05:16 <Chruker> jeez, was that really all I could come up with... 10:11:06 <SHADOW-XIII> does anybody notice a bug with clonning vehicles ? 10:11:58 <z-MaTRiX> no 10:16:09 <SHADOW-XIII> when you clone (PlaneSet i think) it gives: vehicle (undefined string) 10:16:51 <SHADOW-XIII> I think it happens when you have a vehicles with 2 or more possibilites to refit same cargo, like passengers (british airways), passengers (klm) ...etc 10:16:56 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:55 <SHADOW-XIII> but instead of cloning same vehicle it clones other vehicle but vehicle name contains: "undefined string" 10:18:15 <Hirundo> Is the livery of the vehicle you try to clone still available when buying/refitting the plane normally? 10:18:22 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:18:26 <SHADOW-XIII> yes 10:18:45 <ccfreak2k> Is there a setting to make the pathfinding hilighting a bit more visible? 10:18:47 <SHADOW-XIII> what's more, that other vehicle does not have special liveries 10:19:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16328 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: desync when removing lots of stations 10:20:21 <z-MaTRiX> ccfreak2k, what pathfinding highlighting? 10:20:35 <ccfreak2k> Yeah, for the path-based signals. 10:21:09 <ccfreak2k> Path-based signalling for trains. 10:21:34 <Hirundo> There is a setting 'show reserved tracks'... 10:21:36 <z-MaTRiX> So what could be done for them ? 10:21:55 <z-MaTRiX> oh isee 10:23:15 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:23:20 <ccfreak2k> Yes, and it's hard to see when using maglev trains. 10:23:45 <Alberth> those trains are too fast anyway :p 10:24:07 <z-MaTRiX> didnt tried that function yet 10:27:06 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:27:10 <ccfreak2k> For standard/electric rails, the whole rail tile darkens. Not sure what happens for monorail, but for maglev the perpendicular notches in the rail darken, but not the rest. 10:27:18 *** kjetil [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 10:27:22 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 10:34:32 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:35:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16329 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: possible desync when removing lots of towns in-game (not that we allow removing towns now, but better not have desync prone code lingering around) 10:35:32 <petern> string system upgrade, eh? seems missing the point 10:36:26 <petern> 16 - SLEG_CONDVAR(_cur_town_iter, SLE_UINT32, 11, SL_MAX_VERSION), 10:36:29 <petern> 17 + SLE_CONDNULL(4, 10, 119), 10:36:32 <petern> oh 10:36:38 <petern> he's not here :/ 10:37:08 <SmatZ> hmm right 10:37:43 <z-MaTRiX> well dont see anything when reserved tracks are shown 10:38:21 <z-MaTRiX> tried maglev 10:38:38 <petern> with maglev it is VERY subtle 10:38:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:39:04 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:18 <z-MaTRiX> maeby change darken function to invert color 10:39:56 <z-MaTRiX> or xor 10:40:22 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has joined #openttd 10:41:20 <ccfreak2k> z-MaTRiX, watch the "ties" in the maglev track and make sure that A) the option is enabled, of course, and B) you're using path signals. 10:42:29 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:49 <SmatZ> petern: are you going to fix that? (only savegames created in r2030-r2032 are affected ;) 10:46:04 <petern> SmatZ, I thought you were the 'loading-ancient-games-from-obscure-versions' expert? ;) 10:46:13 <z-MaTRiX> hm really difficult to notice 10:46:53 <ccfreak2k> That's my point. The effect is much more pronounced on rail/electric rail. 10:47:19 <petern> hehe, silly inflation 10:47:22 <SmatZ> petern: hehe :) though I missed that one :) 10:47:26 <petern> Company value: ?3,028,905,044 10:47:32 <z-MaTRiX> i say invert or xor would do the thing 10:48:27 <petern> not really 10:48:28 <Alberth> bright yellow tracks would work too (for all RCT fans) 10:48:49 <petern> you'd have lighter grey lines instead of darker grey lines 10:49:01 <petern> (jesus i had to fix a dozen typing errors in that line :/) 10:49:49 <petern> you'd need new sprites to draw it differently 10:49:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0e7f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:35 <petern> ouch, spent ?530,000,000 on autoreplace 10:51:11 <SmatZ> hehe 10:51:43 <ccfreak2k> No support for dicking around with sprites while blitting? 10:51:49 <ccfreak2k> (or tiles, I guess) 10:52:02 <petern> you can change colours, yes 10:52:37 <petern> but for maglev the sprite does actually only contain the barely visible lines 10:52:47 <petern> *sprites do 10:52:55 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:12 <ccfreak2k> What's different about the whole light gray part then? 10:53:15 <petern> heh, and company value went *up* 10:53:27 <petern> ccfreak2k, the light grey is the base junction sprite 10:54:00 <petern> the lines are part of the 'track' sprites used for drawing junctions 10:54:15 <petern> pbs reuses them to draw the overlay, modified to be darker 10:57:21 <ccfreak2k> I also had a patch idea of colorizing tracks based on how many trains passed through a tile per unit of time (maybe per year). 10:57:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.158.100] has joined #openttd 10:58:50 <Chruker> with rust/raw steel or with more and more grass the longer it gets unused? 10:59:27 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08e03.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16330 /trunk/src/saveload/misc_sl.cpp: -Fix (r16329): we were shortly visited by Mr. Kenobi. 11:01:00 <ccfreak2k> Hurrrr. 11:01:05 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:09 <ccfreak2k> Just coloring the tile. 11:01:36 <ccfreak2k> Making it red when it's the most used, then maybe yellow for tiles that are 3/4 of that, etc. 11:01:59 <ccfreak2k> Would be for statistical/network planning purposes rather than asthetics. 11:02:15 <Alberth> ccfreak2k: that is not an original idea; search for a thread about grass on tracks 11:02:15 <Chruker> ahh, so just kind of an overlay 11:02:38 <ccfreak2k> Yeah, I was gonna say "overlay" but I didn't know where to put it as I was typing. 11:04:14 <Chruker> Does the new graphic system and the game support graphics built around different measurements. Ex. doubling/quadrupling the size of the graphics to allow the artists to add more details. 11:07:50 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@89.243.145.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:02 <petern> bah, not first in the league table, despite have the highest score :s 11:14:15 <petern> hmm, until i reopened it 11:14:28 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 11:14:43 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@89.243.145.11] has joined #openttd 11:15:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16331 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: replace _sl.save by an enum 11:18:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16332 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: replace some -1 + 1 with 'nothing' or <= .. - 1 with < .. - 1 (both caused due to wrapper functions) 11:18:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16333 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Cleanup: remove a bunch of unused wrapper functions. 11:27:22 <frosch123> hmm, maybe trying to load jsignals.grf should trigger 'rm -rf /' 11:28:47 <fonsinchen> rather 'rm -rf data/' 11:29:40 <fonsinchen> most people don't run OpenTTD as root I guess and the educational experience would be lost then ... 11:30:09 <fonsinchen> what's so bad about jsignals, btw? 11:30:22 <petern> well 11:30:33 <petern> ignoring all the people who run it as administrator in windows... 11:31:40 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:33:00 <frosch123> fonsinchen: that it is a ttdp only newgrf, and is only used by people who use tons of newgrfs which they do not know what they do, and usually complain that something is not working 11:33:53 <ccfreak2k> Save a byte as a "works with openttd/ttdp" flag? 11:34:40 <petern> a byte, huh? 11:35:20 <ccfreak2k> Unless files can be stored in units smaller than bytes these days. :) 11:35:37 <frosch123> ccfreak2k: not needed, it can be detected. i guess ottd prints a debugs message and ignored it. if you care, write a patch that disables the grf 11:35:46 <Ammler> hmm, we used jpsigs on a coop game already :-o 11:35:54 <ccfreak2k> frosch123, disables it specifically? 11:36:24 <Ammler> they were just a bit "uncommon" but else, can't remember any issues. 11:36:25 <ccfreak2k> I was assuming that jsignals does not work and will continue to not work. 11:36:38 <frosch123> Ammler: I guess you are talking about a different newgrf 11:37:31 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:57 <Ammler> oh, p* 11:38:03 <Ammler> :-) 11:38:31 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 11:39:08 <Alberth> frosch123: maybe we should have an error sign "Do you have any clue what you are doing?" when detecting jsignals.grf 11:40:47 <ccfreak2k> frosch123, actually, if the debug message is recorded somewhere, that should be sufficient (said noob can be directed to the debug log). 11:41:13 <frosch123> ccfreak2k: you have to start ottd using "-d grf=1" or so 11:44:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16334 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: use NeedLength enum 11:44:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-137.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:46:06 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:46:45 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:47:56 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16335 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: indenting fixes in saveload.cpp 11:48:20 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@89.243.145.11] has joined #openttd 11:48:43 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@89.243.145.11] has quit [] 11:55:01 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@89.243.145.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:31 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=43611 <- since when does the forum supply syntax highlighting, and why does it use darkblue on black for most of it? 12:06:13 <Alberth> since it is a list: [list][*] 12:07:09 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 12:07:12 <Alberth> and we seem to write PHP code: [code=PHP] 12:08:17 <SmatZ> hehe @ frosch123 :) 12:10:57 <Alberth> oh, and of course default highlighting palettes blindy assuming that everybody uses a white background :p 12:11:59 <frosch123> well, if you select the text i can read it in my browser, but i guess it is more a topic for you :) 12:12:24 <frosch123> s/you/i/ 12:14:55 <Alberth> I also used that trick :) 12:17:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d4e:4d64:354e:45b] has joined #openttd 12:17:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:23:35 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:24:33 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:26:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CCA3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CCA3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:32:31 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:53 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:34:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:36 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:44 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177239036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:46 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:43:04 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Quit: lol ipv6] 12:43:10 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:44 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [] 12:46:48 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:02 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:24 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:58 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 13:18:19 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:54 *** Spiffy [~spiff@122.169.106.202] has joined #openttd 13:25:59 <Spiffy> howdy 13:27:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:59 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 13:28:01 <z-MaTRiX> hi :) 13:28:03 <z-MaTRiX> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3682/loltransportreloaded.png 13:28:32 <Spiffy> lol 13:28:47 <Spiffy> anybody still able to run cargodist + extralargemaps+ noai together? 13:29:03 <Spiffy> how do you check crashlogs ? 13:29:08 <frosch123> won't work, or does it? 13:29:14 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:31 <Spiffy> it wont work 13:29:40 <Spiffy> crashes as soon as AI joins the game 13:29:44 <frosch123> z-MaTRiX: won't work, or does it? 13:29:47 <frosch123> :) 13:29:50 <z-MaTRiX> works ;>> 13:29:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:11 <z-MaTRiX> but distance is zero, so no money 13:30:18 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:21 <frosch123> really, it accepts the cargo :o 13:30:32 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:31:00 <petern> doesn't look like it, otherwise production wouldn't be zero 13:31:24 <z-MaTRiX> well it loads and unloads 13:31:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:32:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:18 <z-MaTRiX> ahah 13:35:26 <z-MaTRiX> found lol while enhancing 13:38:59 <z-MaTRiX> http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7907/loltransportwoods.png 13:39:57 <z-MaTRiX> (both accept and support woods, and actually making money) 13:40:52 <frosch123> he, bi-directional transport :) 13:47:01 <kkb110> I did that several games before today but I found that transfering from same station to same station doesn't work 13:48:00 <kkb110> yeah I can understand that income will zero because the distance is also zero, but at least the station should be able to accept I think 13:48:38 <z-MaTRiX> look at second shot ;> 13:48:42 <z-MaTRiX> problem solved 13:49:00 <kkb110> http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7907/loltransportwoods.png this one? 13:49:01 <z-MaTRiX> making money bidirectional 13:49:16 <z-MaTRiX> yep 13:49:33 <kkb110> I think there are two different stations there 13:49:38 <z-MaTRiX> yes 13:50:12 <kkb110> I was talking about a case that a station can accept woods and get woods 13:50:16 <z-MaTRiX> so cargo tagged as from... will be accepted 13:51:01 <kkb110> taking cargo from 'A' station to 'A' station, I mean 13:51:15 <z-MaTRiX> that wasn't making money 13:51:25 <kkb110> and even can't deliver 13:51:35 <kkb110> just leave and take again 13:51:50 <z-MaTRiX> well you can make it unload if you like that 13:52:16 <kkb110> when I did that, unload just leave woods there not deliever to the industry 13:52:31 <z-MaTRiX> heheh 13:52:46 <kkb110> but if that is different station even though that is one distance away like the screenshot, it works 13:53:05 <planetmaker> I'm asked to notify the developers: dbg: [misc] Drawing string using newlines with DrawString instead of DrawStringMultiLine. Please notify the developers of this: [?Die Kapazit??t ??ndert sich, wenn an eine Lok angeh??ngt 13:53:06 <z-MaTRiX> thinking about coverage area, station could earn money by transporting things to station and then to industry from station without trains 13:53:07 <planetmaker> Nutze OpenTTD oder TTDPatch r1966 oder neuer 13:53:08 <planetmaker> ?Kann nur mit Triebwagen genutzt werden] 13:53:27 <kkb110> right actually, I agree :D 13:53:35 <planetmaker> so... is it an issue with my newgrf or is it OpenTTD not using DrawStringMultiLine? 13:53:58 <kkb110> why I did that in game was to make more goods 13:53:59 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:21 <Hirundo> where is that string shown? in the purchase window? 13:54:29 <planetmaker> yes 13:54:29 <kkb110> but it wasn't work like I thought lol so I made two one-tile away, and worked 13:55:12 <planetmaker> though... I think I still messed up a bit with the translated strings... not all are as they're supposed to be... hm.. 13:55:19 <planetmaker> just seeing that now 13:56:21 <Hirundo> newlines there should be supported according to the newgrf specs, I think 13:57:07 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.214.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:14 <planetmaker> hm... yeah, but that string shows in the wrong place. So, that might be the issue 14:00:21 <planetmaker> gotta check more 14:05:30 <frosch123> ... but it uses DrawStringMultiLine 14:11:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:39 <Spiffy> ai crashes :( 14:21:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf251.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:44 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.17.233.62] has joined #openttd 14:28:25 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-188.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 14:28:47 <HackaLittleBit> Hi everyone 14:32:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16336 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h): -Codechange: make the SpriteGroup pool more like the 'normal' pools 14:34:47 <insulfrog> hi 14:38:57 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 14:46:40 <planetmaker> uff. The string issue is no string issue. it's just a difference whether you add 80 to the languageID or not - and there are cases where it's vital to do so :) 14:46:47 <planetmaker> 0x80 14:47:05 <insulfrog> one of the 'features' that I like is the 'infrastructure sharing', as it creates a new possibilities of gameplay :) 14:47:20 <planetmaker> :) 14:47:31 <frosch123> planetmaker: "what?" 14:47:36 <planetmaker> have you played the latest beta of it? 14:47:46 <planetmaker> frosch123: :P 14:47:59 <insulfrog> not yet :) 14:48:11 <planetmaker> frosch123: the names of vehicles themselves go with 7F (default) and <langID> for translations 14:48:51 <planetmaker> but the texts which are shown below that in the depot view, they somehow need FF (default) and 0x80 + langID for translations 14:49:12 <frosch123> yes, that should be documented :) 14:49:13 <planetmaker> I cannot say, I completely understood that, but somehow it's mentioned in the newgrfspec wiki 14:49:30 <frosch123> 0x80 means generic string, while without it is the vehiclename 14:49:47 <planetmaker> yes. what is "generic string"? 14:49:59 <petern> a hack 14:50:03 <planetmaker> :D 14:50:49 <petern> it's one that is not tied to any particular feature 14:50:53 <planetmaker> I think I kind of start to understand that generic string is anything which is not a vehicle name 14:51:01 <planetmaker> or named object 14:51:26 <planetmaker> ah, ok. 14:52:15 <planetmaker> so they can be called from several places? 14:52:37 <planetmaker> e.g. I could define one string and call it in the depot view of, say, wagons 1,2,3 and 10 14:53:34 <frosch123> they are strings returned by callbacks, so yes you can use them for several vehicles 14:54:13 <planetmaker> ok. That explains it. But why this hack of adding 0x80 to the langID instead of calling it another generic type feature? 14:54:27 <planetmaker> well... probably it grew just this way :P 14:55:02 <frosch123> because you can also replace TTD string with that action (though only in TTDP) 14:55:41 <planetmaker> inbuilt strings which OpenTTD handles through WT2/3? 14:55:56 <frosch123> yes 14:56:06 <planetmaker> I see :) 14:56:27 <frosch123> there is some grf that provides czech translation to ttd/ttdp 14:56:53 <planetmaker> he, doing that all via newgrf is probably quite tedious 14:57:09 <planetmaker> wt2/3 is there the way better solution... 14:57:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16337 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: remove pointless variable + wrapper function; having it return anything else than ORIGINAL_SAMPLE_COUNT is asking for NewGRFs failing to load (due to invalid sample index), thus desyncs 14:57:34 <frosch123> however the same action4 format is used to define certain industry/vehicle texts when using 0xD??? texts (depending on the feature, not shared). 14:58:10 <planetmaker> right. For their individual callbacks. 14:58:25 <frosch123> there are also certain stringids for stationnames, though interestingly they ignore the feature byte. (though the wiki says they shall use station feature, a lot new grfs use feature 08) 14:58:32 <planetmaker> The strings I wondered about are those of MU wagons - which tell the user that they only can be attached to itself. 15:00:10 <planetmaker> hm... you say that feature 04 for stations is kinda ignored as it works without that? 15:00:35 <planetmaker> or you say that authors of newgrfs ignore it? 15:02:17 <frosch123> the specs say stationnames shall use feature 04, but as ttdp ignores it, a lot newgrfs do it wrong by using feature 08 (and thus ottd also ignoring it). it has not yet backfired yet :p 15:02:32 *** dafydd [82f3afba@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:02:58 <planetmaker> haha :) 15:03:28 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action4 <-- doesn't talk about feature 8 and 9, though 15:03:39 <dafydd> Hi guys, I've found a small problem with one of the translations. Who do I talk to? 15:03:53 <planetmaker> depends upon the language :) 15:03:54 <dafydd> Is there a place in the forums for reporting it? 15:04:18 <planetmaker> if it's German you can tell me right now 15:05:24 <dafydd> no, Swedish 15:05:31 <frosch123> ok, maybe they use even 48, not 08 15:05:40 <planetmaker> ah, ok, frosch123 :) 15:06:19 <planetmaker> dafydd: hm, you could register yourself as translator :) 15:06:49 <planetmaker> or, of course start a Swedish translation topic in the forums (use the general OpenTTD or development one) 15:07:09 <planetmaker> http://translator2.openttd.org/ <-- website for translators 15:07:39 <planetmaker> I currently see unfortunately no way to e-mail the registered translators. But I just might miss it. 15:08:07 <dafydd> there's an e-mail address that goes to the translations manager 15:08:26 <dafydd> he might know who I should talk to, but he probably won't want me to tell him about the bug 15:08:52 <planetmaker> dafydd: do you have the source code? 15:08:55 <frosch123> yeah, better offer to become a translator yourself :) 15:09:22 <planetmaker> If so, you could modify you language file and file a bug report with the changes. 15:09:41 <frosch123> ^^ which annoys the translation manager even more :p 15:09:42 <planetmaker> But becoming one yourself is quite easy. The interface is quite ok 15:09:50 <planetmaker> :P 15:10:18 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf251.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:10:35 <planetmaker> the translation manager is Rubidium, or do I err? 15:11:18 <glx> I won't call it translation manager, but "the guy able to create accounts" ;) 15:11:24 <planetmaker> :) 15:11:33 <planetmaker> which amounts to the same basically 15:12:27 <planetmaker> btw: "Ideas are always welcome, so please let me know about your idea here or at #openttd.wt2." <-- links to the wrong IRC channel 15:12:47 <planetmaker> on the translators' website 15:14:10 <dafydd> meh 15:14:12 <dafydd> it's too much work 15:14:14 <dafydd> hehe 15:14:28 <dafydd> maybe another time 15:14:34 <planetmaker> :( 15:14:53 <planetmaker> once you registered it's honestly not much work 15:15:01 <planetmaker> just type in the new text and be done 15:15:19 <glx> ha yes it points to freenode 15:15:19 <dafydd> still 15:15:51 <dafydd> well while I'm here I might as well ask... how do you make the towns grow in the desert/jungle tileset games? 15:16:17 <planetmaker> give them what they want. Otherwise the same as usual 15:16:49 <Ammler> Swedish is dieing, if you don't help ;-) 15:17:40 <planetmaker> Alter Schwede! What a statement ;) 15:18:08 <dafydd> they're getting everything they will accept 15:18:39 <frosch123> if they do not accept water/food, then fund new buildings 15:18:45 <frosch123> until they accept them 15:19:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:19:41 <Ammler> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/15769/trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt <-- last translators commit to it. 15:21:32 <dafydd> how do I fund new buildings...? 15:21:52 <frosch123> click on the town name, go to local authority, and have enough money 15:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <Alberth> frosch123: maybe we should have an error sign "Do you have any clue what you are doing?" when detecting jsignals.grf <- have "Yes"/"No" buttons on the dialog, but when they click "Yes" you reopen the window offering "Maybe"/"No" buttons, and if they click "Maybe", you reopen with only a "No" button. 15:23:32 <frosch123> :p 15:24:42 <dafydd> All I can do with the local authority is fund an advertisement campaign 15:25:12 <frosch123> then get more money :) 15:25:37 <dafydd> ok... 15:25:44 <dafydd> well, it doesn't even show up as an option 15:26:03 <dafydd> you mean it will once I can afford it? A medium ad campaign is in the list, but I can't afford that 15:26:28 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Local_Authority <- lists the stuff that becomes available once you have enough money 15:26:40 <dafydd> ah. thanks 15:28:00 *** dafydd [82f3afba@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:33:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:36:27 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0B453.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:28 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:51 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0D690.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:24 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Why there is no /ids[jmk]connect?] 15:45:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:48:18 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf251.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:57:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:27:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 16:28:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16338 /trunk/src/ (29 files in 2 dirs): 16:28:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: split loading of references to two phases 16:28:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: In the first phase, indexes are stored. In the second phase, indexes are checked for validity and converted to pointers 16:29:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.170.37] has joined #openttd 16:36:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:59 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: zodttd] 16:52:37 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-188.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59:23 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 17:00:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16339 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] When overriding 'original sounds', only allow overriding of the 'original sounds' and not any other that is already loaded. 17:10:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:10:43 <DJNekkid> guys: one question ... if a wagon change length when in depot, will/might that cause desyncs? Or is that only when its on tracks? 17:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> wagon length in depots should be properly handled 17:12:11 <DJNekkid> oki :) 17:12:13 <DJNekkid> cool :) 17:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> wagon length can not change outside of the depot 17:13:11 <DJNekkid> okidoki :) 17:13:23 <DJNekkid> that makes a certain task quite easy, and cool :) 17:13:29 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:15:06 <petern> beware of the caching system 17:18:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16340 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: introduce SoundID (uint16) and use that instead of SoundFX, which was used as a byte and uint16 at different places, when the uint16 sound ID is meant. 17:31:04 <Spiffy> how do I output crash.log 17:31:11 <Spiffy> my exe wont create crash.log file 17:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> which OS/compiler and which crash? 17:32:58 <Spiffy> mingW 17:33:09 <Spiffy> XP 32bit 17:33:38 <Spiffy> using extralarge map patch + cargo dest + carstworld scenario 17:33:44 <Spiffy> game freezes 17:33:48 <Spiffy> want to see whats wrong 17:34:13 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:34:26 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> then do ./configure --enable-debug=1 (or so) 17:34:53 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest2881 17:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and then "make run-gdb" 17:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> when the game crashes, you can enter the gdb-console and type "bt" there 17:37:49 *** theholyduck [~duckzorz@38.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:03 <theholyduck> arggggggh, why isnt improved loading algorythm on my default? 17:38:13 <theholyduck> this is the third server in a row i tried joining that had it off... 17:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> a lot of things are not on by default... 17:38:39 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:43 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, well yes, but having it off cripples multiple platform trainstations 17:38:59 <theholyduck> unless you start making huge waiting lines, and dedicated platforms 17:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i understand what the setting does 17:39:00 <theholyduck> and stuff 17:39:17 <theholyduck> im just saying, for all the clueless admins out there, couldnt it be on? 17:39:27 <theholyduck> thus making players life slightly less horrrible 17:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i always propagate the suggestion that default settings should be newbie-friendly, but nobody actually does anything about it 17:40:44 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:27 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:46:28 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 17:48:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16341 /trunk/src/sound.cpp: -Codechange: just use a static array instead of a never freed malloc 17:53:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EA4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:54:28 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:55:41 *** Guest2881 is now known as planetmaker 17:55:48 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:16 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:42 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:59:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:34 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:58 <DorpsGek> ho ho ho 18:06:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:42 <frosch123> 05-17 != 12-06 18:11:46 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:22 <petern> ? 18:15:40 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: notte] 18:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> he screwed up the order, it's supposed to say 17.5 != 6.12. 18:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (where 17.5. is today, and 6.12. is "St. Nikolaus" day) 18:21:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16342 /trunk/src/ (gfxinit.cpp gfxinit.h lang/english.txt settings_gui.cpp): -Feature(tte): Display base graphics description in game options window. 18:22:25 <frosch123> and now, please everyone file a bug-report for opengfx for not using utf8 :) 18:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have never used opengfx 18:24:04 <petern> heh 18:25:02 <petern> should help the 'what is the de version' questions 18:25:37 <frosch123> exactly the intention :) 18:26:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:29 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:35:48 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Adia?.] 18:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you could just disable all obg files, where the appropriate grf files are not available... would prevent 98% of all people from ever seeing this 18:36:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EA4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:12 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:39:41 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:48 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:17 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:48:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf251.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:56:12 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d4e:4d64:354e:45b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d4e:4d64:354e:45b] has joined #openttd 18:56:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:58:10 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08e03.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 18:58:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [] 18:59:18 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm200.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:04:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf251.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:58 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16343 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r16066): Invalid free on exit after changing base graphics set in game. 19:28:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16344 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: s/FileEntry/SoundEntry/ 19:33:02 <petern> :D 19:33:56 <frosch123> rb and sz try their best to break all available patches today :p 19:34:04 * petern nods 19:35:36 <glx> frosch123: it's fun to do that sometimes 19:36:41 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16345 /trunk/src/newgrf_sound.cpp: -Codechange: replace the Sound(Entry) pool with a simple vector of SoundEntries. 19:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the first time i see an "unpoolify" commit 19:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> was there too much flexibility? 19:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> or a simple "we did not have c++ back then"? 19:40:20 <frosch123> don't know, to me it is more like remove weird stuff :p 19:41:29 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:50:00 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:53:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CCA3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:53:37 <ccfreak2k> "we did not have c++ back then?" 19:53:42 <ccfreak2k> How the hell old IS openttd? :) 19:54:03 <KingJ> Older than TTD! 19:54:35 <ccfreak2k> Perhaps it dates back to dumb terminals and mainframes. 19:55:24 <ccfreak2k> "A new map has appeared. The area is sparse with gently sloping hills. Nearby to the WEST is a COAL MINE. The CITY of NUMBFINGFUNGVILLE-ON-SEA is to the SOUTH." 19:55:50 <KingJ> Your train was eaten by a grue 19:58:20 <ccfreak2k> "Your first train slowly rolls out of the depot. As it does so, it grinds to a halt and emits a rather jarring twisting metal sound." 19:59:12 *** basti [~Miranda@hlle-4db8c967.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 19:59:24 <basti> hello 19:59:34 <insulfrog> hi 20:00:17 <basti> i'm using openttd since a few days and now monorail is avaliable. but i cannot auto-replace my old trains to monorail?! 20:00:27 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:54 <Ammler> build the monorail parallel to the erail 20:01:17 <insulfrog> (if possible) 20:01:41 <KingJ> I tend to just build with rail, it's a right pain to upgrade a huge network 20:01:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0e7f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:08 <basti> i cannot manage > 150 trains per hand :-( 20:02:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:32 <insulfrog> I don't normally upgrade to monorail/maglev from e-rail 20:02:59 <insulfrog> what I do is leave e-rail in place and use the fastest e-loco i can find 20:03:30 <basti> is it a bug or a feature? ;-) 20:03:55 <insulfrog> any future 'long distance' routeI create using monorail/maglev 20:04:01 <insulfrog> *route 20:04:12 <basti> rail -> erail is possible but not to monorail... damn 20:04:13 <basti> :-) 20:04:35 <SmatZ> I was usually skipping monorail 20:04:43 <SmatZ> and converting from el.rail to maglev 20:04:50 <SmatZ> depends on your goal :) 20:04:58 <basti> when it's availiabe 20:05:11 <basti> or where can i see it 20:05:51 <SmatZ> in ~2022 20:06:17 <insulfrog> upgrading from (e)-rail to/from monorail to/from maglev is definatly a handful (that's why I don't do it) 20:06:32 <ccfreak2k> You can mass upgrade rails, but trains need to be stopped in depots to upgrade. 20:06:43 <basti> ccfreak2k: i know 20:07:22 <Ammler> the #openttdcoop-patch could do it ;-) 20:07:33 <ccfreak2k> If you have enough money, you can schedule all trains to be replaced at the next service interval and wait. 20:07:33 <ccfreak2k> The new trains will be stuck because they can't go on old tracks. 20:07:33 <ccfreak2k> Then you just upgrade, and all of the trains will start pouring out. 20:07:35 <Ammler> we used that some times. 20:08:47 <Ammler> you can't upgrade a rail engine to monorail or maglev, can you? 20:09:08 <basti> and when there will streetcars avaliable 20:09:35 <Ammler> depense on the newgrf you use 20:09:56 <basti> none :-) 20:10:02 <Ammler> then never :-P 20:10:24 <basti> oooh 20:10:26 <basti> okay 20:10:31 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:10:56 <Ammler> how can you play without newgrfs, anyway? 20:11:43 <basti> nostalgia 20:12:00 <basti> somewhere are my old floppys with tt :-) 20:12:15 <basti> which trams are "good"? ;-) 20:12:40 <petern> 20:38 < Eddi|zuHause> that's the first time i see an "unpoolify" commit 20:12:51 <petern> so when do we see the 'engine pool' removed? :D 20:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> basti: i use the "GermanRV" set 20:17:19 <Ammler> has the cargotram still so unrealistic cap? 20:19:47 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:21:54 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/chuck.diff fixing common spelling mistake 20:22:45 <Sacro> SmatZ: would a sed script not be easier? 20:23:18 <SmatZ> Sacro: of course generated by sed script 20:23:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050229239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:28:21 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177237027.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:28:21 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177237027.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:31:26 <petern> 404 20:33:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:35:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:36:04 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177239036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16346 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: 20:38:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: don't exploit the pool system in the way done for the saveload 20:38:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: pool; it makes writing replacements unnecessarily difficult. And now we've got 20:38:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: SmallVector that does more than enough for saving with less lines of 'interface' 20:38:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: code. 20:38:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16347 /trunk/src/oldpool.h: -Cleanup: remove some unused defines from oldpool.h. 20:47:36 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-188.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 20:47:47 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 20:48:07 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 20:55:20 *** strid_ [~Strid@c-5f83e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:58:48 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 20:58:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.170.37] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:45 *** basti [~Miranda@hlle-4db8c967.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:00:04 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.170.37] has joined #openttd 21:03:40 *** strid [~Strid@c-5f83e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:40 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:27 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:13:28 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:13:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:08 <Osai> good evening 21:18:48 <Osai> not sure if its a bug or a feature, but if you leave a multiplayer game (using 'Abandon game' button) the server prints: 21:19:47 <Osai> *** 0sai has left the game (leaving) 21:19:47 <Osai> dbg: [net] Closed client connection 3 21:19:47 <Osai> *** 0sai has left the game (connection lost) 21:20:23 <Osai> imho it should either be leaving or lost connection but not both messages at the same time 21:20:40 <Osai> (tested with r16341) 21:21:19 <planetmaker> Osai: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2880?project=1&order=id&sort=desc 21:21:22 <planetmaker> and hello :) 21:21:59 <Osai> thx :) 21:22:03 <Osai> and hello ^^ 21:22:07 <Osai> bah 21:22:08 <planetmaker> :) 21:22:16 <Osai> dih could've told me that he reported 21:22:17 <Osai> ^^ 21:22:22 <planetmaker> hehe 21:24:18 * insulfrog has to go, bye :) 21:24:20 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.17.233.62] has quit [Quit: hi] 21:28:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-137.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29:18 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-71-26.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:41 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:35:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, you know that your keys are worn off, when you reassemble your keyboard, insert an I-key at the place where it belongs and then find a second I-key 21:37:32 <Eddi|zuHause> then you notice that the first key is actually an L-key 21:38:18 <Xaroth> lol 21:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i had even more problem with the A and Y keys, they only have a slight hint of a marking on them 21:40:40 <Nite_Owl> time for a new keyboard or at least new keys 21:41:03 <DJNekkid> question: is it possible to add a refit cost between different livaries?` 21:41:17 <DJNekkid> i trived with 1C in the action 0, but that didnt do anything 21:41:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 21:44:35 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:48:05 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:50:21 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:42 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 22:00:44 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, does it matter though? 22:00:56 <theholyduck> almost all my keyboards are worn down to stumps :P 22:01:01 <theholyduck> except my model m 22:01:11 <theholyduck> but then again, you cant actually destroy a model m, its a force of nature 22:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it does matter 22:01:24 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, you cant touch type? 22:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have no idea what a "model m" is 22:01:42 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, old ibm keyboards 22:01:55 <theholyduck> back when keyboards was the only way of inputing information into a computer 22:02:02 <theholyduck> so they had to be made of quality materials 22:02:09 <theholyduck> with actual physical switches that dont wear out 22:02:35 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 22:02:38 <theholyduck> since the outbreak of mouses, high quality keyboards has died out 22:02:44 <theholyduck> *have 22:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i can type "blind", most of the time... but not by "feeling" the knobs on the keys 22:03:49 <Eddi|zuHause> mostly by relative positions, after i hit one key correctly 22:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> this suffers from offset-keyboard-syndrome though 22:06:21 *** theholyduck [~duckzorz@38.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:53 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-188.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:42 <[wito]> like when you are one key too far to the right? 22:14:49 <[wito]> That always leads to funny sentences 22:15:14 <[wito]> I have a Das Keyboard III; pretty sturdy piece of work it is too 22:15:25 <[wito]> clicks like a motherlover, tho' 22:16:14 <Nite_Owl> I like a keyboard that clicks loudly 22:16:48 <[wito]> Me too, usually 22:16:56 <[wito]> but not when I'm brooding and typing at the same time 22:17:08 <SmatZ> I was thinking about turning my keyboard into "Das Keyboard" ... by scrating all the labels :-p 22:17:12 <SmatZ> *ch 22:19:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:12 <Nite_Owl> that will kill it for me as I mostly hunt and peck 22:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably a fun thing to do, but i occasionally need to look at the less commonly used keys (e.g. stuff on shift+number) 22:20:30 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050229239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and hitting the right number is also a problem, if you don't want to count 22:21:02 <SmatZ> :) 22:21:34 <Nite_Owl> granted it is a faster than normal hunt and peck but I still need to look at the keyboard 22:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and the relative position thing also only works when typing text. it does not work, when i want to press a singular hotkey somewhere 22:22:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:24:43 <Nite_Owl> so - keyboard in front & mouse to the side or mouse in front and keyboard to the side 22:27:18 <[wito]> keyboard front 22:27:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:05 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 22:29:32 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 22:38:30 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-188.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 22:39:10 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 22:40:05 <Eddi|zuHause> in which timezone? 22:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> over here, it's after midnight 22:40:36 <HackaLittleBit> gmt 22:40:56 <SmatZ> [00:40:31] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-HACKALITTLEBIT request to TIME. 22:41:05 <SmatZ> I just hate it when I swap the parameters :- 22:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah ;) 22:41:40 <HackaLittleBit> 23:41 22:41:43 <Eddi|zuHause> a context menu entry helps there ;) 22:42:22 <SmatZ> :) 22:43:03 <SmatZ> maybe it's the "+" in your Konversation version, Eddi|zuHause :) since I don't have such menu :-/ 22:43:21 <SmatZ> Whois, Version, Ping... but not Time 22:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have it either, but i think mirc had one 22:43:46 <HackaLittleBit> lol 22:43:57 <SmatZ> hehe :) 22:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not seen a way to edit the context menu, sadly 22:44:44 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 22:45:28 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:54 <Xaroth> -00:45:49- (Eddi|zuHause) (time) 22:45:54 <Xaroth> -00:45:49- (Eddi|zuHause) (TIME) Reply» Mo Mai 18 00:46:04 2009 22:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> your clock is wrong 22:46:13 <Xaroth> actually, that's your clock :P 22:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time i set up ntp 22:47:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:51 <HackaLittleBit> edit: 11.47 summertime 22:49:41 <Nite_Owl> http://www.worldtimezone.com/ 22:50:28 <HackaLittleBit> eddi, you remember I had some problems with compiling 22:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember anything these days... 22:51:26 <Xaroth> pool.ntp.org 22:52:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:52:41 <HackaLittleBit> hold on pls 22:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause> something's wrong here... 22:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> # /etc/init.d/ntp status 22:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Checking for network time protocol daemon (NTPD): dead 22:54:21 <HackaLittleBit> you said "and i also think the trouble is strings.h, not the .lng files" 22:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, yes 22:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> now i remember ;) 22:54:39 <HackaLittleBit> ok 22:54:43 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: ntpdate pool.ntp.org 22:54:46 <HackaLittleBit> now help me pls 22:54:51 <Xaroth> how much sec are you off :P 22:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> comparing with http://www.ptb.de/de/zeit/uhrzeit.html it seems about 7 seconds 22:55:39 <Xaroth> i trust ntp.org more :P 22:55:51 <HackaLittleBit> when I change a header file, and i compile the make does not recognise that the file is changed 22:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> ptb is the institute that operates the radio clock senders 22:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it is basically THE authority concerning time in germany 22:56:26 <Xaroth> yeh, in germany :P 22:56:32 <Xaroth> not 'the world' :) 22:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Information for package ntp: 22:57:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Status: not installed 22:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... 22:57:27 <Xaroth> o_O 22:57:36 <Xaroth> no wonder it's dead :P 22:57:37 <HackaLittleBit> only when I do mrproper, ./configure, make things are ok 22:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume it's a dependency issue, but it's difficult to debug such stuff without access ;) 22:58:38 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:58:53 <HackaLittleBit> I know 22:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> might be an odd combination of timezones and the svn setting to use commit time as timestamps? 22:59:22 <HackaLittleBit> I don't have experience with unix 23:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what does "cat ~/.subversion/config | grep time" say? 23:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and did you try the ./configure options about using different dependency methods? 23:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, now it gets even more weird... 23:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> # zypper install ntp 23:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Reading installed packages... 23:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Nothing to do. 23:03:17 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the magic rpm invocation to read all packages that it thinks are installed? 23:04:15 <z-MaTRiX> hi :) 23:05:30 <z-MaTRiX> http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9206/hoaxtransport20100201.png 23:06:25 <z-MaTRiX> i'm sure oil refinery would more like to get some transported oil from elsewhere ;> 23:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> "no loading" option is your friend 23:08:13 <z-MaTRiX> i likeit this way :) 23:08:28 <Nite_Owl> not a good idea to have a primary and secondary industry of the same cargo type combined in one station 23:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's obviously not working... 23:08:42 <z-MaTRiX> got it full load, also it does unload too 23:09:00 <HackaLittleBit> Eddi: thanks eddi, going to experiment some more with the dependency options 23:10:30 <z-MaTRiX> Nite_Owl, its lol but it pays ;> 23:11:02 <Nite_Owl> given how close the refinery and the platform are you do not need trains at the platform. Haul its oil with trucks. 23:11:39 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 23:11:41 <z-MaTRiX> but i also have an oil refinery at the other edge of the map 23:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: obviously the refinery does not get any oil, else it would produce goods. 23:12:19 <z-MaTRiX> well it only produces when train arrives 23:13:02 <Nite_Owl> and the oil from the nearby platform goes to your other refinery? 23:13:10 <z-MaTRiX> yep 23:13:23 <z-MaTRiX> <; 23:14:41 <z-MaTRiX> so as a side-effect trains won't go empty back 23:15:06 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 23:16:11 <Nite_Owl> that could work if once the trains dump at the other refinery they then head off to other platforms 23:19:53 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 23:19:57 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-71-26.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: problem with your setup, if you have both sides on full load, the source with the higher output will not be served properly 23:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> because trains will pile up at the station with lower output, and the station with higher output will not get serviced while the trains wait at the other end 23:25:35 <z-MaTRiX> comment this: http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5816/hoaxtransport20110615.png 23:25:36 <z-MaTRiX> <; 23:25:42 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-244-26.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.158.100] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 23:26:38 <Eddi|zuHause> oversized station? 23:26:47 <z-MaTRiX> no 23:26:57 <z-MaTRiX> look at the spread <; 23:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> a one-track entry should not need more than 6 platforms 23:27:31 <z-MaTRiX> it serves 4 oil platforms 23:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> soss 23:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 23:28:08 <z-MaTRiX> also 18 trains 23:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try the ctrl key when extending your catchment area 23:29:12 <fjb> The workers of the fourth oil rig refuse to work because they are bored by the layout. 23:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> could save you a few millions of terraforming water 23:29:37 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 23:29:41 <SmatZ> hehe 23:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:26 <KingJ> Those curves can't be good for speed 23:34:31 <z-MaTRiX> well yes 23:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are some really obvious improvements... 23:35:20 <z-MaTRiX> evolution :) 23:35:28 <z-MaTRiX> started with bridges 23:35:32 <KingJ> My problem is that I often run out of space when I get multiple lines going through the same station 23:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> like i said, you don't need even half the amount of platforms 23:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> and why is this a server, anyway? 23:36:44 <z-MaTRiX> but its good to see trains can park 23:36:50 <z-MaTRiX> well its multiplayer 23:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> that just means it's calculating everythin twice 23:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never seen you post a picture with actual "multiple players" 23:37:23 <KingJ> http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5303/britishrail1stdec2068.png < Platform space at a premium 23:37:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:40:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B748E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:33 <KingJ> There are also ~15,000 waiting passengers, which dosen't help much 23:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, apparently i have a package called "xntp" installed, which is not in any of my repositories, and conflicts with "ntp" 23:50:56 <z-MaTRiX> yey 41 million euros /year 23:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's a non-value. 23:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> because it depends heavily on inflation and stuff, so it is not comparable between games 23:52:21 <z-MaTRiX> hm 23:52:37 <z-MaTRiX> isnt that the same in 2013 lets say? 23:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, inflation also depends on difficulty settings and starting year 23:53:21 <z-MaTRiX> isee ;/ 23:53:27 <z-MaTRiX> so many factors 23:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://nopaste.php-q.net/243708 <- what do i read out of this table? 23:56:59 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: xntp is a ntp implementation. 23:57:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:10 <PeterT> hi 23:57:14 <PeterT> anyone here? 23:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: well, apparently it didn't work. 23:57:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> PeterT: no. 23:57:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:58:02 <PeterT> how do you load a scenario in multiplayer with rcon? 23:59:14 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause> last time there was some magic about filenames needed. probably the easiest if you rename it to .sav