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00:04:17 <Belugas> damned, hell, damnation and all those funny things you do not want to deal with... 00:04:21 <Belugas> weeke starts the wrong way 00:04:30 <Belugas> hi solo 00:04:35 <petern> yes 00:04:40 <petern> it should start on monday 00:04:42 <petern> and end on mondy 00:04:44 <petern> +a 00:04:50 <Belugas> :D 00:05:02 <Belugas> hey solo, where is Han? 00:05:11 * Belugas goes back to work 00:05:17 <solo> :D 00:06:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77558.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:15 <solo> he? 00:07:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77558.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:08:18 *** solo [daniel@190.71.192.91] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 00:08:35 <Belugas> hehe 00:08:55 <Belugas> Useless Proverb 2:21 and after :D 00:09:04 <Belugas> VIVE DEATHMOLE! 00:14:49 * petern figures out routing in reaper 00:15:17 <petern> although i can only use vstis 00:16:42 <Belugas> routing? you mean sending it to ninjam? 00:16:58 <petern> creating a virtual instrument track and then sending it to the ninjam track 00:20:01 <Belugas> gotta show me how when i'll be available 00:20:05 <Belugas> shitty work 00:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to the times where you could just pipe the output of one program into the input of the other program? 00:22:58 <petern> the routing matrix is on the view menu 00:23:06 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, you can... with jack... on linux 00:23:23 <petern> or, i suppose, jack on osx or windows 00:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i never really figured out how sound on linux works... 00:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i am glad that it "just works" 00:26:54 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177236012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:27:04 <petern> alsa or oss don't let you route between apps 00:27:25 <petern> anyway, with reaper on windows, it's just one app with its own internal sound paths 00:28:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember dos had limited piping ability 00:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but i rarely used it except for | more 00:31:40 <petern> and complete unrelated, fortunately 00:34:24 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177236128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:38:24 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-152-104-83.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:38:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.220.18] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:40:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-114-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:54 <Belugas> pfff.... finally... 01:12:03 <Belugas> ok... so... let's go down now 01:14:28 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-18.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:33 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:24 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:07 *** Zahl 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[~sergei@77.51.89.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:24:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16735 /trunk/src/ (saveload/station_sl.cpp station_base.h): -Codechange: had_vehicle_of_type only stored 7 bits, all less that bit 7... but it was a word wasting space etc. 11:27:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16736 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: give some station enums a name and use that instead of 'byte'. 11:48:33 <andythenorth_> what direction does the light come from in TTD graphics? 11:50:08 <Rubidium> north-east-ish? 11:51:10 <andythenorth_> that's what I figured 11:51:46 <andythenorth_> Either I misunderstand shading... 11:51:55 <andythenorth_> ...or Simon Foster made a deliberate choice to shade houses wrong because it looks better 11:52:26 <planetmaker> gcc / g++ 4.5 from 26 June fails to build OpenTTD: http://paste.openttd.org/183634 11:52:34 <planetmaker> Yes, I know, it's not a stable compiler version :) 11:52:35 <TrueBrain> I think he was VERY concerned about realism, yes ... 11:53:47 <planetmaker> But I think the warning on the Korean language might be of interest even now. 11:53:57 <andythenorth_> well whatever the reason, I've got quite a bit of reshading to do :| 11:53:59 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the Korean thing isn't important 11:54:01 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: already taken care of; you are slow ;) 11:54:09 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I know. It's a warning :) 11:54:15 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: ? 11:54:18 <Rubidium> planetmaker: and fixed... 11:54:21 <planetmaker> :O 11:54:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, not 'fixed' as such, just taken care of :) 11:54:46 <planetmaker> ah, the language thing 11:54:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: w.r.t. gcc; you're not using the apple flavour of gcc 11:55:10 <planetmaker> Rubidium: It's a self-compiled gcc. 11:55:22 <Rubidium> planetmaker: self-compiled vanilla! gcc 11:55:41 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you should self-compile Apple's GCC 11:55:51 <planetmaker> Hm... yes. Hm... I need obviously some apple patches? 11:56:21 <Rubidium> apple uses LLVM + GCC + custom stuff 11:56:39 <Rubidium> i.e. just download the gcc tarbal from darwinsource 11:56:52 <planetmaker> Right... but they direct one to the gcc repository for sources... Well, I guess I'll give it a try with ^^ 11:57:16 <Rubidium> but... apple does only do gcc 4.0 and gcc 4.2 11:57:52 <Rubidium> the other solution is just not adding those params to the CFLAGS in config.lib 11:58:12 <TrueBrain> document.getElementById("gender").value <- works on most browsers .. just not on IE :( 11:58:24 <TrueBrain> clearly not many people use IE for WT3 :p 11:58:27 <planetmaker> yes. gcc 4.0 is broken for e.g. nforenum with those C style template messages - which are just not valid 11:59:39 <planetmaker> Ok, I guess I have some more compilation to do then. Thanks Rubidium :) 12:05:09 *** ziond [~sergei@77.51.89.10] has joined #openttd 12:06:37 <TrueBrain> WT3 is IE compatible .. or at least, so it seems ;) 12:09:29 *** ziond [~sergei@77.51.89.10] has left #openttd [] 12:10:29 <TrueBrain> what is it with the endless hit-and-runs lately? 12:11:59 <JFBelugas> people may beleive we're always talking chooo chooo. so when silence, or no chooo chooo related, they leave... who knows 12:12:26 <JFBelugas> or... not russian, as this guy might have been... 12:20:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r16737 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r15645): When loading a savegame Engine::grffile might be left NULL in certain cases. (dynamic_engines enabled, articulated vehicle with only wagon-override action3s) 12:23:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-208-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:37:41 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:39 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.60.219] has joined #openttd 13:41:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B47E01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:59 <_ln> apple is shifting away from GCC anyway. 13:45:05 <gleeb> Silly apple-face. 13:47:17 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 13:49:06 *** PinkTomato [~PinkTomat@5ac9ebe2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:40 <planetmaker> _ln: can you backup your statement? 13:51:46 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:53:29 <_ln> planetmaker: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/20/apples_other_open_secret_the_llvm_complier.html 13:54:25 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I think _ln doesn't know what LLVM is 13:55:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16738 /trunk/src/ai/ai_info.cpp: -Codechange: Remove casting away constness by changing the text before storing. 13:59:03 <planetmaker> nor did I. 13:59:03 <planetmaker> primary components of the LLVM infrastructure are a GCC-based C & C++ front-end, 13:59:20 <TrueBrain> LLVM is the middle man; it doesn't produce executable code 13:59:53 <planetmaker> tells me it's something between IDE and compiler actually :) 14:00:12 <TrueBrain> it does the preprocessing and optimization of a programming language 14:00:16 <TrueBrain> (not limited to C in any way) 14:00:30 <TrueBrain> then it feeds an universal language to a linker, GCC in most cases 14:00:50 <TrueBrain> so it does take over parts of the compiler ;) 14:03:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.19] has joined #openttd 14:03:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B47E01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:22 <_ln> TrueBrain: but another thing that can be found out from that article (and other sources) is that Apple considers GPL a problem. 14:09:51 <_ln> TrueBrain: and indeed they are sticking to 4.2 because that's the last version licensed under GPLv2(+). 14:10:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.209.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:11 <TrueBrain> Apple has given no public knowledge about dropping GCC completely in any way 14:11:00 <TrueBrain> the GPL problem you refer to, is mostly solved via clang (which is a llvm subproject) 14:13:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16739 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Initialize internal data before computing the widgets. 14:15:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B47E01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbl] 14:17:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:42 <planetmaker> interesting stuff that LLVM :) 14:19:47 <TrueBrain> yup 14:20:35 <planetmaker> today again the search function and the related function of wt3 ruled :) 14:20:45 <TrueBrain> :) Glad to hear :) 14:20:58 <planetmaker> I guess compared to wt2 it's twice as fast from the user handling 14:21:25 <planetmaker> One thing I wondered though: I changed two strings and then thought better of it. Is there an undo function? 14:21:36 <TrueBrain> change it back to the original 14:21:39 <TrueBrain> and it should undo itself :) 14:21:41 <planetmaker> ok 14:22:00 <planetmaker> Feature request: "revert" ;) 14:22:06 <TrueBrain> yeah, will be done .. some day ;) 14:22:31 <planetmaker> (only in the "pending" category necessary, I guess) 14:32:07 <Alberth> Maybe I should move into 'core0', the room is 28.5 degrees, while my core thinks its temperature is 25 degrees. 14:32:39 <planetmaker> :D 15:01:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:08:59 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:35:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16740 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: Self-sizing widgets in intro screen, town directory, and found town windows. 15:37:05 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0FB7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:08 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B47E01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:30 <TrueBrain> lala .. lalalalalalala! lala! lalalalala! La la la! 15:40:58 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0BD02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:00 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:39 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 15:55:09 <Belugas> POOUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! 16:11:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 16:23:23 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 16:27:54 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:23 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:24 * Sacro bops to the ttd theme 16:56:15 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-133-216.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:26 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 17:04:12 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0FB7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:09:24 *** SSTC [~theis@0506ds2-hr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:09:37 <SSTC> hello 17:10:14 <SSTC> can anyone help me set up an openttd server on a nas server with linux? 17:10:45 <Rubidium> nas? 17:10:54 <Ammler> SSTC: what did you try and how looks the error message 17:12:23 <SSTC> I tried to upload the data dir, bin file and that config file thing.. after that I tried ssh to it and start it with "openttd -D" 17:13:21 <Alberth> nas = Network-attached storage (ie a NFS/Samba file server) 17:13:54 <SSTC> yes.. also ftp I have link to it 17:14:23 <SSTC> here it is http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=94 17:15:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:01 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:03 <Cutter> hi 17:19:11 <Cutter> why don't you move to freenode? 17:19:51 <Rubidium> because a) we moved away from freenode 17:19:52 <SmatZ> other bug projects, like gcc, have official IRC channel at OFTC too 17:19:56 <SmatZ> *big 17:20:11 <Rubidium> b) they're dicks; for example I'm immediately kicked from #openttd on freenode 17:20:49 <TrueBrain> c) why would we move if we like it here? 17:20:54 <SmatZ> ;-) 17:20:56 <TrueBrain> d) what a silly question as introduction of yourself 17:21:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16741 /branches/0.7/src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:21:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 17:21:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When loading a savegame Engine::grffile might be left NULL in certain cases (dynamic_engines enabled, articulated vehicle with only wagon-override action3s) (r16737) 17:21:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Show Close instead of Cancel when there is nothing to canel in the content downloading window [FS#2991] (r16732) 17:21:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIDepotList contained wrong tiles for hangars when st->xy != st->airport_tile (r16731) 17:21:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The Join station window did not show all stations nearby in some cases (r16728) 17:21:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Invalidate subsidies with invalid source or destination when converting older savegames (r16710) 17:21:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc3.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:21:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:21:27 <Rubidium> e) have they finally fixed kicking people for NO reason? 17:21:27 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc3.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:46 <Cutter> is your nick registered? 17:21:48 <Rubidium> 'NO' reason like 'being idle for 15 minutes' 17:22:04 <Cutter> I'm idle most of the time 17:22:08 <TrueBrain> f) at least OFTC doesn't bug you over and over with useless messages from operators who think they are very important 17:22:16 <TrueBrain> oeh, we can continue with this ranting at freenode for a while 17:23:02 <Cutter> what happened to make #openttd move away from freenode? 17:23:20 <TrueBrain> all the above? :p 17:23:33 <Rubidium> Cutter: have you been following what comments we've got w.r.t. freenode? 17:23:42 <Rubidium> maybe it has become better since lilo died though 17:24:17 <TrueBrain> how ever it might be, I tihnk OFTC is perfectly fine :) 17:24:30 <TrueBrain> and why move again? :) 17:25:20 <Sacro> Rubidium: there is no #openttd on freenode 17:25:25 <Sacro> ##openttd maybe 17:25:35 <TrueBrain> Sacro: for a lnog time, if you joined #openttd, you got redirected 17:25:38 <TrueBrain> and kicked a bit later :p 17:25:43 <TrueBrain> because we 'removed' the channel 17:26:05 <Sacro> yes 17:26:08 <Sacro> ## is unofficial 17:26:10 <Sacro> like for ##php 17:26:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:25 <SmatZ> and the reason to move to Freenode is? 17:28:05 <Rubidium> tss... they don't even provide SSL connections to the IRC server :( 17:28:21 <Sacro> SmatZ: netsplits 17:28:24 <Sacro> they were fun 17:28:30 <Sacro> lilo-spam 17:28:31 <Sacro> errm 17:28:45 <TrueBrain> and after every netsplit lilo started to talk .. omg .. that really annoyed the hell out of me 17:28:54 <TrueBrain> NOBODY cares why a server dropepd from the grid 17:28:56 <TrueBrain> it happens 17:28:56 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:57 <TrueBrain> deal with it 17:29:11 <Cutter> SmatZ: freenode is the server where most of the free software project have their channels 17:29:13 <Sacro> TrueBrain: he never dealt with it 17:29:16 <TrueBrain> (although it happened on freenode more often than what would be considered normal) 17:29:18 <Sacro> he just told us :( 17:29:21 <TrueBrain> Cutter: bullshit 17:29:50 <Cutter> that's where I naturally looked for an openttd channel 17:29:51 <TrueBrain> Cutter: OFTC is created for open source software projects ... and if you check the channel list, there are plenty 17:29:54 <TrueBrain> to name #debian, for one 17:29:58 <TrueBrain> your mistake ;) 17:30:03 <Cutter> ok 17:30:26 <TrueBrain> it is silly to require from us to comply to your habbits ;) 17:32:16 <Rubidium> The Open and Free Technology Community aims to provide stable and effective collaboration services to members of the community in any part of the world, while closely listening to their needs and desires. <- those intentions sound more clear than freenode's main page 17:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> freenode has an experimental irc server with ssl support 17:39:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16742 /branches/0.7/ (15 files in 4 dirs): 17:39:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 17:39:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Only pay for whatever has been actually unloaded and perform the payment when unloading has finished [FS#2995] (r16694) 17:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16743 /trunk/src/lang/german.txt: 17:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 18 changes by planetmaker 17:49:45 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:53:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-133-216.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:26 <_ln> i've been told it's mandatory to carry some sort of ID all the time in the nether lands. what about germany and such? 18:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever the police asks you, you need to show a valid ID 18:11:06 <_ln> what happens if you don't have anything to show with you? 18:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably get fined... 18:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and they take you to the police station 18:11:36 <Eddi|zuHause> until they figure out your identity 18:11:38 <_ln> cool 18:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> especially as a foreign person, i'd rather not recommend that :p 18:12:37 <Alberth> if you start dancing on police cars, there is a good chance they will ask for your ID :p 18:14:09 <_ln> a policeman once stopped me here in finland, and asked for ID, but i didn't have any with me... but we also don't have a law requiring to carry ID. 18:29:45 <_ln> actually, over here it is not even mandatory to own any kind of ID. 18:38:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:28 <SSTC> can anyone help me set up an openttd server on a nas server with linux? 18:59:32 <TrueBrain> [19:10] <Ammler> SSTC: what did you try and how looks the error message 18:59:39 <TrueBrain> you only answered the first part 18:59:50 <TrueBrain> and my glass bowl is still damanged :( 19:00:33 *** CutterX [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:35 <SSTC> I was not able to start anything from ssh so I do not have at error message 19:01:07 <TrueBrain> "after that I tried ssh to it and start it with "openttd -D"" <- then you do need to explain why you were not able 19:01:25 <TrueBrain> you are very vague .. don't expect us to guess. Be more specific. What do you do, what goes wrong, ... 19:01:32 <TrueBrain> "I was not able" is not really .. useful ;) 19:02:31 <SSTC> there was no command "openttd -D" I have not startede at server before and knows nothing about what I should do.. 19:03:12 <Ammler> SSTC: I would start with installing openttd from the distro you use. 19:03:50 <SSTC> how? 19:03:53 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:14 <Belugas> ho fuck... 19:05:06 <Rubidium> Belugas: don't tell me your customer called with bad news, please 19:05:11 <TrueBrain> SSTC: also consider using: ./openttd -D ;) 19:05:43 <SSTC> I know 19:05:55 <Belugas> no today, yet, Rubidium. yesterday evening he did more once often, to day is quite, at least :D 19:06:06 <Belugas> no, it was about something else... sorry 19:15:25 <TrueBrain> SSTC: on one hand you tell us you know nothing about anything, and when we suggest something, you say you know .. please tell us EXACTLY what you are trying, else we really can't help you 19:15:34 <TrueBrain> (and more: what EXACTLY the system tells you what goes wrong) 19:15:40 <TrueBrain> again: we can't read the starts ... :( 19:15:58 <TrueBrain> starts = stars, lol 19:15:59 <SSTC> i know that it is ./openttd -D 19:16:25 <TrueBrain> and then the system tells you .... what? 19:18:28 <SSTC> ./openttd: cannot execute binary file 19:18:40 <TrueBrain> see .. now that is helpful 19:18:48 <TrueBrain> you are trying to execute a binary format which is incompatible 19:18:56 <TrueBrain> for example, if you try i386-elf on a arm-elf system 19:19:06 <TrueBrain> as it is a NAS, it wouldn't suprise me if it was arm 19:19:11 <TrueBrain> what does: uname -a 19:19:13 <TrueBrain> show? 19:19:28 <SSTC> Linux QNNAS 2.6.12.6-arm1 #6 Wed Mar 18 14:51:18 CST 2009 armv5tejl unknown 19:19:32 <TrueBrain> see :) 19:19:35 <Sacro> as well as 'file `which openttd`' 19:19:53 <TrueBrain> and see how important it is to tell us EXACTLY what is going on? Specific, to the point, and copy/pastes :) 19:20:05 <TrueBrain> anyway, either compile a arm version yourself, or download the debian version (if they have it :p) 19:20:20 <TrueBrain> executing 'file openttd' most likely shows you i386 or what ever binary you tried to install 19:20:33 <_ln> although... your ARM might be too slow for openttd. 19:20:41 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: then it's even the question whether you need the arm or armel binary 19:20:46 <TrueBrain> v5 .. should be fine; the only problem might be the memory 19:20:47 <Sacro> yeah, i'd reckon on that _ln 19:20:47 <_ln> and too little memory. 19:21:09 <Sacro> my housemate had his nas indexing id3 tags, 60GB of music, took 10 days 19:21:26 <TrueBrain> Sacro: more an IO problem 19:21:28 <_ln> SSTC: do a "free -m"; what's the number under 'total'? 19:21:35 <TrueBrain> not really related to the CPU, don't you think? :) 19:22:09 <TrueBrain> changing ID3v2 tags on my system even takes N hours for 20GB :p 19:22:22 <Sacro> TrueBrain: hmm, it was only a 40Mhz 19:22:29 <TrueBrain> Sacro: okay, then it does matter ;) :p 19:22:48 <SSTC> 126224 19:23:06 <TrueBrain> 126 MB .. might be sufficient ;) 19:26:42 *** CutterX is now known as Cutter 19:30:40 *** SSTC [~theis@0506ds2-hr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:49 <TrueBrain> no problem, we loved to help ... 19:30:59 <TrueBrain> next time .. wash your hands before I need to hold them, they were a bit sticky 19:36:37 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 19:38:01 <SmatZ> the lost vikings, yay! 19:38:10 <SmatZ> I never finished MSTR 19:38:11 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:22 <SmatZ> I hope I am old enough to finish it finally... 19:39:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:57 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:10 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:54:28 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 20:00:09 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:20 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:11 <Belugas> ? 20:04:26 <Belugas> MIght Stay Tonigh, Really? 20:17:31 <Muxy> kiss men 20:17:59 <TrueBrain> thank you for that contribution 20:18:27 <Muxy> ur welcome 20:20:08 <Eddi|zuHause> "ur" is not a word, what you mean is "urst" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urst#U) 20:20:51 <Muxy> ur is just phonetic 20:21:06 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 20:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> not in my phonetic understanding 20:21:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 20:22:12 <Muxy> us, gb, or aus i think it is 20:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the people from these places are a minority 20:23:28 <Muxy> sure, but it's phonetic english, isn'it ? 20:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:23:55 <Muxy> but u said yes just before 20:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> there is an international standard about how to write phonetically 20:24:35 <TrueBrain> [jore] most likely, with an accent on the e 20:25:38 <Rubidium> Pronunciation: \y?r, 'yu?r, 'yo?r, ?y?-?r\ according to Merriam-Webster 20:25:50 <TrueBrain> with an y, that does suprise me :) 20:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you're 20:26:25 <Rubidium> :O the IPA way of writing is much nicer 20:26:40 <TrueBrain> haha :) 20:27:04 <Rubidium> /j?:(?)/ <- that's much clearer 20:27:17 <TrueBrain> that I can't even read :p y^or I can ;) 20:28:09 <Muxy> ok, i remove phonetic and i replace with a short way to write. 20:28:37 <TrueBrain> didn;t know you used your mobile to text to IRC :) 20:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can join yesterday's discussion about overuse of abbreviations 20:29:52 <Muxy> if it was yesterday, i will not be able to join it. 20:30:05 <TrueBrain> oeh, points for Muxy 20:30:07 <TrueBrain> your turn Eddi|zuHause 20:30:20 <TrueBrain> (it feels like Jerry Springer, but than better!) 20:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "then" 20:30:37 <Muxy> dont know Jerry Springer 20:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and the discussion was never officially closed 20:30:42 <TrueBrain> @kick Eddi|zuHause don't take it out on me :) 20:30:42 *** Eddi|zuHause was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [don't take it out on me :)] 20:30:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77558.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:55 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, it's a reflex ;) 20:31:18 <TrueBrain> You don't know Jerry Springer?! 20:31:21 <TrueBrain> You should be ashamed! 20:31:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:47 <Muxy> why should i know him, as you dont know what is Goulp 20:31:50 <Rubidium> tbrukbin'm? <- I can do writing in short too 20:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the same reflex that hits on "ur" also hits on "than" [when "then" is meant] 20:31:59 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:07 <_ln> IF ; THAN ; ELSE 20:32:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: rather "then" when "than" is meant 20:32:16 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: there is a difference :) 20:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> also compare www.seitseid.de 20:33:10 * Rubidium wonders why nobody understands what I was writing... they are such simple abbreviations 20:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause> also confusion between "als" and "wie" 20:33:46 <Rubidium> if not sure, rewrite sentence to avoid stuff you're not sure about 20:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: might as well be a character from stargate :p 20:34:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: rewriting without then/than is almost impossible :p 20:35:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:35:39 <Rubidium> a is bigger than b -> a is the bigger of the two, I kicked him then I banned him -> before I banned him I kicked him Q.E.D. 20:36:08 <TrueBrain> hahaha :) So if statement A implies statement B, statement B has to imply statement A? 20:36:18 <TrueBrain> A few math-professors now turn their back in their grave :p 20:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause> even the living ones :p 20:37:52 <TrueBrain> auch ;) 20:42:45 *** ashchetum [62e304a0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:42:54 <ashchetum> hi 20:43:37 <TrueBrain> hello 20:44:50 <ashchetum> so whats up here? 20:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i have stopped commenting strange nicks long ago, but with this one, i have not even a clue how to pronounce it :p 20:45:16 <Belugas> yeah! Supper is ready. I serve it in 10 minutes. Everyone is invited at my table! 20:45:24 <TrueBrain> Belugas: let me get on my flight 20:45:25 <_ln> ashchetum: it's the cross product of two vectors parallel to the ground 20:45:26 <TrueBrain> be there in 6 20:45:34 <ashchetum> ash-chetum (chetum is like chetter chees with a um on the end) 20:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "'s ist noch Suppe da" 20:45:46 <Belugas> TrueBrain, not the ^th of JULY :P 20:46:05 * ashchetum shoots off fireworks 20:46:11 <Belugas> arg... 6 20:46:12 <Belugas> not ^ 20:46:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not a chese person, but i know it as "cheddar" 20:46:17 <Belugas> pffff. 20:46:29 <TrueBrain> enjoy your supper Belugas :) 20:46:32 <ashchetum> so what if i misspell it? 20:46:52 <Belugas> Ashepsu ! 20:46:54 * Belugas bows 20:47:02 <Belugas> hmmm... nope 20:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> if you misspell the pronunciation, i cannot pronounce it 20:47:15 <ashchetum> ahh, I see 20:47:34 * Rubidium wonders how to pronounce Eddi|zuHause's | 20:47:40 <ashchetum> haha 20:47:42 <TrueBrain> pipe! 20:47:47 <TrueBrain> Eddi Pipes ZuHause! 20:47:59 *** noogie [~chatzilla@94-194-42-143.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:48:05 <TrueBrain> and if in a bad translation mood I translate that to: Eddi Pipes His House 20:48:06 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: and now translate to Dtuch... 20:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the same way you pronounce hyphens and commas in plain text? 20:48:13 <TrueBrain> I am laughing in silent when I translate that in Dutch ;) 20:48:16 <TrueBrain> hehe @ Rubidium :) 20:48:27 <Muxy> hum not his house but at home 20:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Muxy: he specified "bad translation" 20:48:49 <TrueBrain> Muxy: NO SHIT?! 20:49:01 <ashchetum> whatch that language 20:49:08 <ashchetum> watch* 20:49:16 <Muxy> appologies - Kiss then 20:49:19 <noogie> hey if i no longer serve a station with a particular cargo, can i tell the station so that the ..industry doesnt put cargo there? 20:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:49:59 <noogie> oh 20:50:03 <Muxy> destroy station 20:50:05 <ashchetum> I cant get ottd to work on my new laptop..... :( 20:50:08 <TrueBrain> Muxy: I am not gay, sorry 20:50:28 <Muxy> hum, kiss does not imply gay 20:50:33 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but pipes has not the Dutch 'meaning' in English as far as I know; for those that want to know: fellatio is the magic word 20:50:45 * ashchetum slaps face 20:51:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ghehe :) 20:51:23 <noogie> hmm i would but its got like 30 trains running to it 20:51:51 <ashchetum> I cant play openttd :/ 20:51:56 <Muxy> reroute trains 20:52:04 <noogie> yeah its hassle 20:52:27 <noogie> a "i'm no longer gonna pick up from this station" button would be much easier 20:53:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but nobody implemented it 20:53:48 <noogie> has been added a feature request? 20:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, people did implement it 20:53:56 <noogie> oh 20:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but it was open to abuse/cheating 20:54:30 <noogie> what was it called... i wasnt really sure what to google for 20:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> because it would reset the station rating to the default value 20:58:54 <ashchetum> wow 20:58:57 <ashchetum> WOWS 21:03:42 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: Back to the Goulp] 21:04:13 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16744 /branches/0.7/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 21:06:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 21:06:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: r16660 and r16669 are needed to make r16709 work as it should. 21:06:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: some small 'errors' in the English language file 21:07:34 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:26 <planetmaker> m?h. 500 @ openttd.org 21:10:58 <Rubidium> works fine for me 21:12:06 <ashchetum> OH NO!!!! openttd hates me!: kyle@bigeee:~$ openttd Your 'TRG1R.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! You can find 'TRG1R.GRF' on your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. Your 'TRGIR.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! You can find 'TRGIR.GRF' on your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. Your 'TRGCR.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! You can find 'TRGCR.GRF' on your Tran 21:12:33 <ashchetum> ransport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. Your 'TRGTR.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! You can find 'TRGTR.GRF' on your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. Your 'sample.cat' file is corrupted or missing! You can find 'sample.cat' on your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat' kyle@bigeee:~$ 21:12:34 <planetmaker> ashchetum: well. Get those files 21:12:48 <ashchetum> haha 21:12:52 <ashchetum> thats the proplem 21:12:55 <ashchetum> there there 21:12:56 <oskari89> :D 21:12:58 <planetmaker> how so? 21:12:58 <Rubidium> OH NO!!! ashchetum hates reading readme.txt 21:13:04 <ashchetum> lol 21:13:24 <ashchetum> no i've installed openttd sevral times, but i just cant get it to work now 21:13:42 <planetmaker> ashchetum: those files are not part of the install... And READ the text :) 21:13:49 <planetmaker> It talks about TTD. Not OpenTTD 21:13:51 <Rubidium> ashchetum: have you read readme.txt? 21:13:57 <ashchetum> yes 21:14:00 <planetmaker> no 21:14:12 <ashchetum> do you want me to read it again?! 21:14:24 <planetmaker> Cite the paragraph dealing with those files ^^^^ 21:14:38 <Rubidium> yes, especially chapter 4 21:15:35 <planetmaker> Rubidium: your server has a 500 error... 21:15:41 <planetmaker> :( 21:15:46 <ashchetum> fine i'll go back to it, but i'm telling you thows filese are there, i'll renstall and take the needed files streaght from my ttd folder and put them there, but every time i renstall it it says that it can't open the sample.cat file 21:15:55 <Rubidium> planetmaker: my server? 21:16:07 <ashchetum> but the corupeted files are a new problem 21:16:19 <planetmaker> your in the sense of "you OpenTTD dev's website" :) 21:16:29 <planetmaker> plural you :) 21:16:50 <Rubidium> it works fine for me 21:17:06 <ashchetum> um.... wheres the readme? 21:17:15 <Rubidium> that is http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/ works fine for me 21:17:18 <planetmaker> hm... ok. Not everything :) but the hg shortlog fails for me 21:17:21 <ashchetum> (linux) 21:17:22 <planetmaker> sorry :) 21:17:31 <planetmaker> ashchetum: I think you read it? 21:17:32 <Rubidium> oh... planetmaker then say so! 21:18:01 <ashchetum> is there a online readme? 21:18:07 <planetmaker> ashchetum: also that 21:18:22 <planetmaker> see the channel topic 21:18:30 <Rubidium> the online readme is the same as the non-online readme 21:18:44 <Rubidium> planetmaker: hmm... what I feared would happen has happened 21:18:47 <ashchetum> ya but i lost the offline version 21:18:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium: ? 21:19:07 <planetmaker> ashchetum: unlikely unless you explicitly deleted it. 21:19:14 <planetmaker> it's in the same dir as your binary 21:19:20 <ashchetum> lol idk what the hell happened 21:19:38 <ashchetum> i'll try a few things and come back later 21:19:45 <planetmaker> yes please 21:19:47 *** ashchetum is now known as ashchetum_working 21:19:51 <Rubidium> planetmaker: a couple, like 4, processes are constantly 'leaking' memory. They get killed when they reach a certain threshold. Now all those processes are near their 'kill it off' peak 21:20:12 <planetmaker> :O 21:20:19 <planetmaker> Doesn't sound good 21:20:29 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah... especially when the people of the processes that leak can't be arsed to fix it 21:22:16 <Rubidium> and using another similar tool is even worse 21:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hold your finger on the leak 21:22:25 <ashchetum_working> ok, i uninstalled the 0.6.3 version from the reprository, i'm going to get 0.7.1 off of the website now 21:22:48 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's not that is 'leaks', it's that it 'caches' WITHOUT limit 21:23:05 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:06 *** ashchetum_working [62e304a0@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:23:34 *** ashchetum [62e304a0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:44 <Rubidium> their solution of limiting: ulimit and killing the whole thing 21:23:47 *** ashchetum is now known as ashchetum_working 21:23:57 <Rubidium> welcome to the 21st century of software development :( 21:24:35 <planetmaker> :( 21:24:58 <ashchetum_working> downloading, maby openttd does'nt like the intel atom.... lol 21:25:46 <planetmaker> that's most probably not a problem 21:25:58 <Rubidium> don't see a reason why a specific processor wouldn't like OpenTTD 21:26:12 <ashchetum_working> no i was kidding 21:26:22 <Rubidium> maybe the very old and 'fancy' ones, but the recent common stuff 21:26:22 <planetmaker> it runs on so many different platform that a platform with the same OS makes no difference 21:26:46 <planetmaker> hey, it even works here :) 21:27:38 <ashchetum_working> hey does anybody know where the readme is in linux? 21:27:52 <Rubidium> /usr/share/openttd/ ? 21:28:01 <ashchetum_working> nope.... 21:28:03 <Rubidium> /usr/share/doc/openttd/ ? 21:28:18 <Rubidium> linux is kinda a ... uhm... broad thing 21:28:32 <ashchetum_working> no shit! sorry, i bet it is in usr share openttd 21:28:47 <ashchetum_working> i was looking in usr share games openttd 21:29:06 <Rubidium> it's like asking: what is the default file format of my word processor? 21:29:54 <Rubidium> i.e. it would make sense to mention what flavour of Linux you're using 21:30:12 <ashchetum_working> eebuntu (ubuntu jaunty) 21:30:31 <ashchetum_working> na there isnt any "usr share openttd 21:30:35 <Rubidium> and you installed the .deb, right? 21:30:39 <ashchetum_working> yes 21:31:02 * planetmaker still doesn't understand why people install OpenTTD... 21:31:05 <noogie> usr share doc openttd 21:31:07 <Rubidium> /usr/share/doc/openttd/ 21:31:11 <noogie> on debian at least 21:31:14 <ashchetum_working> hmmm. ok 21:31:16 <noogie> i assume its same package 21:32:02 <Rubidium> hmm, didn't I say /usr/share/doc/openttd/ already a few minutes ago? 21:32:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:14 <Rubidium> wasn't that said to be not it? 21:32:18 <ashchetum_working> ok, found the readme, personally i think that it was hidden or something.... oh whell 21:32:24 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:32:38 *** ashchetum_working is now known as ashcetum_reading-readme 21:33:00 <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/readme.txt <- might've been easier ;) 21:33:10 <noogie> also has any ever though about implementing like a counter way point, that will count trains going through it 21:33:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:33:48 <Rubidium> based on the patches on the forum: guess so 21:34:06 <ashcetum_reading-readme> Rubidum: well I asked for the online version a while agao.... 21:34:23 <noogie> ah yeah 21:34:34 <planetmaker> ashcetum_reading-readme: you said a while ago also that you already read the readme. 21:34:58 <Rubidium> ashcetum_reading-readme: I gave you a correct answer on the online version, didn't I? 21:35:11 <ashcetum_reading-readme> I did, but you guys told me to read it again, besides I had read the windows xp readme 21:35:51 <planetmaker> so, if you've got a problem with your washing machine your read the manual of your TV? 21:36:00 <ashcetum_reading-readme> the linux readme is lots shorter... 21:36:12 <_ln> since when are ... acceptable? 21:36:23 <Rubidium> that's the same version (only with different newlines) 21:36:26 <ashcetum_reading-readme> ok, moving files to data folder 21:36:44 <Rubidium> ashcetum_reading-readme: that's the debian-ish readme and not ours 21:37:05 <Rubidium> you did read /usr/share/doc/openttd/README.Debian 21:37:16 <Rubidium> and not /usr/share/doc/openttd/readme.txt.gz 21:37:46 <Rubidium> yes, I know Debian is doing 'stupid' things with hiding readmes and stuff and making their stuff the 'preferable' read 21:38:18 *** ashcetum_reading-readme is now known as ashchetum 21:38:31 * ashchetum slaps forehead 21:38:48 <ashchetum> ok i moved files and look what I still get: kyle@bigeee:~$ openttd Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat' kyle@bigeee:~$ 21:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> then you forgot a file 21:39:18 <planetmaker> ^^ 21:39:34 <Muxy> and the winner is ... ? 21:39:39 *** a [~a@cpc3-walt10-0-0-cust108.popl.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:42 <ashchetum> no its there, read carefully "cannot open file 21:39:50 <ashchetum> the file is there, it just cant open it 21:39:58 *** a [~a@cpc3-walt10-0-0-cust108.popl.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 21:39:59 <planetmaker> then make it readable 21:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and you need an explanation of chmod now? 21:40:25 <ashchetum> planetmaker :.... ya lost me..... sorrry 21:40:37 <ashchetum> readable? 21:40:44 <planetmaker> chmod a+r path/to/sample.cat 21:40:47 <planetmaker> as root 21:41:01 *** noogie [~chatzilla@94-194-42-143.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceweasel 3.0.6/2009061212]] 21:41:03 <Rubidium> the file most likely doesn't exist 21:41:13 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I bet :P 21:41:14 <Rubidium> can't open *includes* file does not exist 21:41:25 <ashchetum> na it exists 21:41:33 <ashchetum> trust me on that 21:41:45 <planetmaker> all small letters? 21:41:56 <planetmaker> not Sample.cat or sample.CAT? 21:42:13 *** NeO_Anderson [~Founder@194.50.80.117] has joined #openttd 21:42:13 <planetmaker> (dunno whether it matters here, though) 21:42:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the letters are called "lower case" ;) 21:42:19 <NeO_Anderson> hello all 21:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, english is weird :p 21:42:30 <planetmaker> thx @ Eddi. I was missing the correct word :) 21:42:39 <NeO_Anderson> is it possible to increase the max initial loan beyond 500,000? 21:42:46 <planetmaker> and couldn't be arsed to look up in a dictionary 21:42:47 <Rubidium> NeO_Anderson: it's Neo or Mr. Anderson, not both ;) 21:42:47 <ashchetum> planetmaker: yes linux is case-sensitive 21:42:59 <planetmaker> ashchetum: but it doesn't mean that OpenTTD is. 21:43:20 <ashchetum> yes but that does'nt make a difference 21:43:26 <Rubidium> NeO_Anderson: nope, besides 'faking' it by using another currency but that doesn't change the value of the loan 21:43:32 <ashchetum> linux is excuting the game 21:43:41 <ashchetum> linux is haveing the proplem 21:43:47 <ashchetum> problem 21:44:03 <planetmaker> ashchetum: the game decides which files to read... and if it choses to look for all, lower and upper case and so on? 21:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> ashchetum: do you actually ever do something you get told? 21:44:22 <planetmaker> _I_ know how linux handles letters :) 21:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or do you paste one random line and then complain that people (possibly) misunderstood your problem 21:44:41 <ashchetum> ok..... sorry for the lecture you didnt need 21:44:53 <Nite_Owl> if you use dollars the loan limit is ,000,000 21:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it is YOU who has the problem 21:45:19 <ashchetum> your just saying that cuz u want me to shut up 21:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, because when you are not helping the discussion you grow annoying very fast 21:46:05 <NeO_Anderson> Rubidium, It's both if your clan/team is called NeO_ and your name is Anderson 21:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and you did still not tell whether you did chmod and what kind of effect that had 21:46:20 * ashchetum needs to take a class in irc eticutte 21:46:21 <NeO_Anderson> and ty :) 21:46:22 <NeO_Anderson> lol 21:46:52 <_ln> ashchetum: etiquette 21:46:56 <NeO_Anderson> Nite_Owl, I've seen on a server it has like 2,250,000 max initial loan 21:46:57 <ashchetum> thzx 21:47:00 <NeO_Anderson> I think it was in dollars 21:47:10 <NeO_Anderson> It's a "beginners world" server 21:47:19 <ashchetum> chmod didn't work..... :( 21:47:23 <Rubidium> NeO_Anderson: you can hack the savegame/OpenTTD to provide a bigger initial loan 21:47:33 <NeO_Anderson> I'm trying to create my own server (theirs is laggy as hell) 21:47:42 <NeO_Anderson> but I find it quite hard to make profit... 21:48:00 <NeO_Anderson> with the default settings so first thing is to increase loan from the tiny 500k lol 21:48:10 <NeO_Anderson> Rubidium, Is that allowed? :S 21:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> ashchetum: and for the how-many-time-th you were told by now that "doesn't work" is not a proper problem description? 21:48:47 <Rubidium> NeO_Anderson: why wouldn't it? Guess you don't know how OpenTTD is developed 21:48:57 <NeO_Anderson> I don't 21:49:00 <NeO_Anderson> I just play it 21:49:01 <NeO_Anderson> lol 21:49:16 <NeO_Anderson> and in most cases, editing someones work is usually wrong lol 21:49:17 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that doesn't work... how many times have we told eachother that? 21:49:20 <_ln> the string that is used for ending sentences is ".", not "lol". 21:49:40 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson: anyone can grab the source and have a happy hacking session or two - or how many s/he likes 21:49:49 <NeO_Anderson> ah I see 21:50:05 <ashchetum> Eddi|zuHause: I say it does'nt work because that is as much discreption that the terminal gives me 21:50:11 <NeO_Anderson> do you guys know a lot about the openttd.cfg and the settings within them? 21:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause> NeO_Anderson: that's what "open" licenses are supposed to change 21:50:26 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson: and in order that you can know, you have a license.txt along with your binary. 21:50:27 <NeO_Anderson> I'm finding it near impossible to find a guide that explains exactly what each setting does :S 21:50:31 <planetmaker> if not, that IS wrong 21:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> /ignore ashchetum 21:50:48 <ashchetum> nice job 21:51:14 <ashchetum> If you dont 21:51:22 <Rubidium> NeO_Anderson: http://wiki.openttd.org/openttd.cfg <- it's somewhat documented, but I think nobody really bothered to document everything 21:51:26 <NeO_Anderson> like for example, "construction_cost = 2" if I make that 1 will it make it cheaper? :S 21:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i am really the nicest and most helpful person on the planet... but when people do not show even the slightest sign of progress... 21:51:50 <NeO_Anderson> yeah no ones documented em 21:51:59 <NeO_Anderson> u click them and it takes u to a weird empty box lol 21:52:04 <ashchetum> hmm. progress 21:52:19 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-18.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:38 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson: usually higher should mean higher cost... Or just test it :) 21:52:43 <Rubidium> NeO_Anderson: lower values usually tend to mean lower, less etc. 21:52:47 <planetmaker> you can test that live in a single player game 21:53:04 <NeO_Anderson> oh I can test it live? 21:53:14 <NeO_Anderson> would I be able to test it live thru the server console? 21:53:25 <planetmaker> I *think* so. No, not in multiplayer, I think 21:53:30 <NeO_Anderson> oh 21:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the settings you can change in the ingame console with "set <name> <value>" 21:53:43 <NeO_Anderson> ill try it xD 21:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> where "name" is the same as in the cfg 21:53:53 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: construction costs would desync. So it probably won't work in multiplayer 21:54:00 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-133-216.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:16 <Nite_Owl> a lot can also be edited off of the menus and options on the start up screen 21:54:29 <NeO_Anderson> haha 21:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: usually the changes (that are allowed) are synchronised via do_command 21:54:36 <NeO_Anderson> it tells me this cmd is not available during network games 21:54:37 <NeO_Anderson> xD 21:54:46 <NeO_Anderson> ur right planetmaker @ desync 21:54:48 <ashchetum> I want to ask Eddi|jzuHause how to use cmod to make sample.cat a readable, is he still ignoring me? 21:54:50 <NeO_Anderson> thats probably why its blocked 21:54:51 <NeO_Anderson> :( 21:54:51 <NeO_Anderson> Lol 21:55:13 <NeO_Anderson> ashchetum, type chmod 777 sample.cat from the terminal 21:55:13 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes, they usually are. But some just don't work that way... 21:55:25 <NeO_Anderson> assuming you're inside the terminal and in the directory where sample.cat is 21:55:47 <ashchetum> ok 21:55:48 <NeO_Anderson> or just type: chmod 777 /path/to/sample.cat 21:55:48 <planetmaker> ashchetum: read back. I gave you the anser 21:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> NeO_Anderson: it's a hopeless case... planetmaker already said the exact command line... 21:56:04 <NeO_Anderson> 777 is probably not the best chmod as it's then given full permissions 21:56:17 <NeO_Anderson> and people always advise me against such things 21:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't teach people who do not listen... 21:56:25 <NeO_Anderson> but seriously... I never had a probw ith it 21:56:26 <NeO_Anderson> xD 21:56:46 * NeO_Anderson hopes he is listening as he thinks the ppl here are much nicer than most networks... 21:56:50 <planetmaker> :) Not having a problem with not listening? ;) 21:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you usually have no problem with it, until you are on a network share with 10000 people having access 21:57:26 <NeO_Anderson> ah 21:57:32 <NeO_Anderson> well Im the only one wih acess to it 21:57:32 <NeO_Anderson> ^^ 21:57:40 <planetmaker> I usually make my home dir accessible but not readable :) 21:57:48 <ashchetum> tell EddizuHause, sorry, but he can still ignore me.... 21:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause> like, a public pool in a university or somesuch 21:58:12 <NeO_Anderson> ashchetum, something tells me he doesn't need your approval to ignore u xD 21:58:25 <NeO_Anderson> ashchetum, just follow what hes said and u'll be fine :) 21:58:31 <ashchetum> thx 21:58:34 <planetmaker> then people can access files, if I give them the path, but won't find other things as they don't get a listing 21:58:40 <NeO_Anderson> ashchetum, from what I've been told, hes answered your question thats why hes a little annoyed at the mo with you 21:59:02 <NeO_Anderson> so yeah, just what was advised and see what happens :) 21:59:03 <NeO_Anderson> should work 21:59:04 <ashchetum> ya i noticed he's annoyed. 21:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you get funny effects if you make a directory not executable :p 21:59:29 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: :) Yes, it's executable :) Haven't actually tried that 21:59:33 <planetmaker> what happens? 21:59:45 <NeO_Anderson> question, if I set something in th config file 21:59:48 <NeO_Anderson> higher than the max 21:59:58 <NeO_Anderson> it would just revert to the highest wont it? 22:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can not cd or ls it 22:00:08 <planetmaker> It will revert to the value last used 22:00:20 <NeO_Anderson> like say if the max value is 6 and I set it to 10 22:00:26 <NeO_Anderson> it would set to 6 or something else? 22:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but technically you can still read its contents ;) 22:00:31 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: can you copy a file to it? 22:00:35 <planetmaker> or read a file from it? 22:00:42 <planetmaker> that's nice :) 22:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not exactly sure what you actually can do 22:01:02 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson: OpenTTD writes a config file upon closing 22:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> just remember that directories need +x ;) 22:01:16 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: nearly calls for an experiment :) 22:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i should go to bed... need to get up at 7 22:02:25 <planetmaker> wow. Tomorrow is like Sunday... or rather now already. 22:02:41 <planetmaker> what'ya doing up so early? 22:02:44 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177236012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, sunday is the day where people order music and stuff 22:02:50 <NeO_Anderson> what does the "economy" variable do? anyone know?:S 22:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> NeO_Anderson: stable/unstable 22:03:04 <planetmaker> I mean... I'll probably wake up... Nasty birds being too loud in the early hours 22:03:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never had a problem with birds 22:03:52 <planetmaker> So, I guess... I should possibly go to bed, too :) 22:04:03 <planetmaker> Oh, I have here a nice backyard. They inhabit it :) 22:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i do have a problem with toads, though 22:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i live in a village, there are plenty of birds ;) 22:05:06 <NeO_Anderson> and reload_cfg? 22:05:11 <planetmaker> toads? 22:05:14 <NeO_Anderson> reloads the config file at the end of the year? 22:05:22 <NeO_Anderson> game* 22:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> things that make "quaaaak" 22:05:29 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson: right then wen you type it... 22:05:34 <NeO_Anderson> oh 22:05:36 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes :) 22:05:37 <NeO_Anderson> cool 22:05:59 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson: uh.... I guess the config var is for the case that you restart. 22:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> every year they gather around anything that is remotely wet 22:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> like a pond or a stream 22:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> of which we have either one 22:06:30 <planetmaker> :D Nice I must say :) 22:06:37 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:06:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and they get extremely loud when in masses 22:07:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:08:45 <planetmaker> and slimy on the street :P 22:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there are people who help avoiding that :p 22:09:18 <planetmaker> :) 22:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> building fences and holes 22:09:34 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Adia?.] 22:09:36 <planetmaker> well... makes sort of sense, does it? 22:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and then collect the toads and carry them over the street every day 22:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> in some places i even have seen "toad tunnels" 22:11:08 <planetmaker> I've seen bridges built for them 22:11:19 <Rubidium> bridges to heaven I hope 22:11:23 <Rubidium> or tunnels to hell ;) 22:11:28 <Rubidium> noisy twats 22:11:31 <planetmaker> :P 22:12:31 <planetmaker> well.... I guess tiredness is catching me. So good night folks! 22:12:38 <Nite_Owl> you still have to beat the wandering alligators 22:12:53 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 22:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the strange thing is, the english "toad" and the german "Kr?te" are not etymologically related, while many other animals are 22:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. "frog" vs. "Frosch" 22:14:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (sorry for highlight :p) 22:15:20 <Nite_Owl> what is even scarier is that the wandering alligators are learning to look both ways before they cross the street 22:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not yet witnessed an alligator crossing the street :p 22:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> neither a crocodile 22:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (whatever the difference is) 22:16:55 <Nite_Owl> fortunately they only tend to wander during mating season 22:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's what the toads do, too 22:17:23 <Nite_Owl> crocodiles are bigger and have a wider snout 22:17:58 *** ashchetum [62e304a0@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "snout" is an interesting word 22:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not heard this before ;) 22:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> related to german "Schnauze" i presume ;) 22:19:11 <Nite_Owl> around here the crocodiles only gather at the outflow pipe of the nuclear plant as they prefer a VERY warm climate 22:20:39 <_ln> do they have three eyes? 22:21:23 <Nite_Owl> I hope not 22:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yay for book search ;) http://books.google.de/books?id=F2ATAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA262&lpg=PA262&dq=schnauze+etymologie&source=bl&ots=TkACXBkSHP&sig=i-b5fJ5mts8lc_8VCuGhYp5bVAs&hl=de&ei=fNVPSurgIouKnQOeuum9BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3 22:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> says "Schnauze" is derived from old high german "sn?ta" 22:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> same root as "Schnute" 22:25:07 <_ln> "snyte" in swedish, it seems. 22:26:32 <Nite_Owl> not being able to read German I hope it translates out to something similar to 'nose' 22:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting, it says that "Schnecke" [snail] is related to old high german "snahhan" [compare: sneaking] 22:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: no, translates to mouth 22:27:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, something inbetween 22:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> combination of both mostly 22:27:52 <Nite_Owl> that would work as well 22:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause> like a dog commonly has a "Schnauze" 22:28:51 <Nite_Owl> right - a long snout with a mouth at the bottom and a nose at the end 22:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "schnauzen" usually means using a handkerchief 22:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and "anschnauzen" means yelling at someone 22:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> (both words appear in the text) 22:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> german is funny... by changing a tiny prefix you can completely change the meaning of the word 22:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and when constructing sentences, that prefix can jump to the other end of the sentence ;) 22:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and inbetween there can be a whole nested story 22:32:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can only derive the meaning of the first word when you have fully parsed the sentence ;) 22:32:32 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:33:20 <petern> hmm 22:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> problem when reading such old texts, the "s" and "f" look very alike... 22:37:48 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:06 <petern> http://bytes.com/groups/cpp/735346-sizeof-size_t-sizeof-pointer 22:38:18 <petern> that makes our AlignPtr wrong ;p 22:44:04 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 22:44:08 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:49:43 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-133-216.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:22 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:00:22 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:12 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3f7d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:34 <SmatZ> petern: yeah :( 23:14:07 <SmatZ> intptr_t would be better 23:14:52 <SmatZ> but they are not "mandatory" by the standard 23:14:56 <SmatZ> maybe ptrdiff_t 23:14:59 <SmatZ> but it's signed... 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77558.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:21 *** Chris__ [~chatzilla@host86-138-12-54.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:34:39 <Chris__> Hi! 23:36:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:42 *** Chris__ [~chatzilla@host86-138-12-54.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 23:43:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:44:41 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest543 23:44:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.111.111] has joined #openttd 23:48:16 *** Guest543 [~KenjiE20@92.19.152.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:37 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.]