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I have some nice green funnels which I'd like to be white. Or red. Or yellow. As the mood takes me... 08:08:49 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a flag that needs to be set for 2cc to be enabled 08:09:41 <Eddi|zuHause> for each vehicle 08:09:41 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:26 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 08:10:48 <Nickman87> hi Alberth, I see you saw my patch on FlySpray :) 08:11:10 * Terkhen looks at the acceleration code for ships 08:11:31 <Alberth> Nickman87: yes, I look there every now and then :) 08:11:36 <Terkhen> mmm... seems realistic enough to me as is :D 08:12:04 <Nickman87> did I change it in the correct way? If so I could try and do some more widgets :) 08:12:40 <Nickman87> or didn't you have the time to look at it that deeply :) 08:14:34 <Alberth> Nickman87: it look pretty much correct, but possibly not complete. In the constructor there are some settings with resize height and step height that should not be there 08:15:21 <Alberth> (ie any form of hardcoded size is bad :) ) 08:16:02 <Alberth> I will need to look up how to do that, eg in the bridge_gui 08:16:17 <andythenorth> Ships don't seem to support 2cc. I'm not convinced it's not something wrong locally though - some of my recent nightlies for OpenTTD don't offer a 2CC option at all 08:16:36 <Nickman87> I changed one of those parameters somewhere to take it out of the widget array I think, but that is indeed original code :) 08:17:14 <Alberth> however, atm I am fighting with the news display windows, and gaining ground *very* slowly :( 08:17:50 <andythenorth> Would any kind person mind testing 2cc in this grf? 08:17:50 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/347/fish.grf 08:18:12 <andythenorth> You'd be looking at the funnel on the large coaster in the -- view 08:19:26 <Alberth> Nickman87: if you want to look into this issue, Window::UpdateWidgetSize() is the way to go, it gives you full control on size and resize steps of each widget. 08:20:46 <Alberth> and as a result, the right values will pop up at the root of the nested widget tree, and get copied in the window->resize stuff :) 08:21:46 <Nickman87> I'll take a look at it ;). 08:21:48 <Terkhen> andythenorth: It doesn't seem to work. loading only FISH don't let you select the second company colour at the company window. after loading another GRF with 2CC and changing the second company colour, the funnel still looks the same 08:22:24 <andythenorth> does a newgrf have to explicitly specify it uses 2CC? 08:22:34 <andythenorth> I'll check the newgrf wiki... 08:22:39 <Alberth> Nickman87: I *think* you only have to set the scrollbar values then (which is wrong too of course, but I save that for another day :) ) 08:22:48 <Nickman87> so its actually the first three parameters in the constructor that should go? 08:22:56 <Alberth> Nickman87: thank you for your efforts 08:23:05 <Nickman87> Glad to be of help :) 08:23:23 <Nickman87> so "this->vscroll.cap = 12;" can stay? 08:24:43 <Alberth> it should be computed from the height of the scroll bar and the resize step 08:24:46 <andythenorth> ...(ships 2CC fail). Hmm, I'm bamboozled. Can't see anything I'm doing wrong. 08:25:27 <Alberth> Nickman87: (afaik, see the bridge_gui for details) 08:25:34 <Nickman87> that sounds logical indeed :) 08:25:48 <Nickman87> Looking at it right now, trying to figure out all the placements 08:26:14 <Alberth> Nickman87: assume that fonts have unknown size ;) 08:27:00 <andythenorth> petern: how fast does a ship accelerate uphill anyway? 08:28:04 * Alberth likes that question :p 08:28:17 <petern> andythenorth, you haven't set property 17 for any ship 08:28:43 <Nickman87> hmmm, isn't the resize step fixed because of "SetResize(0, 22)" in the nestedWidget list? 08:28:51 <petern> (which Eddi|zuHause said 20 minutes ago, but without specifics) 08:29:14 <andythenorth> petern: ah ha. Coder errror 08:29:21 <andythenorth> thanks 08:29:54 <petern> and uphill... they accelerate as normal :D 08:29:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:33:44 <andythenorth> 2CC ship issue...resolved. thanks 08:33:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:02 *** Nerbo [~Nerbo@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-190-211.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:09 <Nerbo> Hi 08:34:16 <TrueBrain> hello 08:34:30 <Nerbo> i' ve a question about openttd 08:34:37 <TrueBrain> then you came to the right place 08:34:47 <TrueBrain> lucky you don't have a quesiton about Debian, then you would be at the wrong place :p 08:35:14 <Nerbo> how can I switch my name in the game ? default is "player" 08:35:31 <Nerbo> lol 08:36:01 <TrueBrain> first way: do it before you join, in the multiplayer window 08:36:15 <TrueBrain> second way: open up the console, and type: name "yournewname" 08:36:18 <TrueBrain> or was it nick ... 08:36:19 <TrueBrain> either one :p 08:36:35 <Nerbo> cool, thx ;) 08:36:49 <Nerbo> another question 08:37:30 <Alberth> Nickman87: setting resize steps hard-coded is bad, and should be removed 08:37:51 <Nerbo> how can I switch channel in the in-game chat 08:38:02 <Alberth> Nerbo: no need to announce that you will ask a question, simply ask it :) 08:38:09 <Nerbo> in order to talk to team for example 08:38:14 <Nerbo> private,... 08:38:23 *** Priski [Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:36 <Nickman87> It is set in the bridge_gui? :D 08:39:01 <TrueBrain> http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer#Chatting 08:39:11 <Nerbo> thanks ;) 08:39:14 <TrueBrain> Nerbo: I suggest you read the wiki a bit for such questions; they are very general and answered many times 08:39:19 <TrueBrain> you could have come up with that on your own ;) 08:39:48 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:52 <Alberth> Nickman87: such values act as default, you will get them in the UpdateWidgetSize() where they can be changed :) 08:40:04 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:40:13 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:23 <Nickman87> ah 08:40:59 <Nerbo> see you soon 08:41:03 *** Nerbo [~Nerbo@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-190-211.adsl.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 08:41:14 <Alberth> Nickman87: your 'SetStringParameters()' is a bit overkill, a simple 'if (widget == SLW_CAPTION) SetDParam(0, this->vscroll.count);' suffices, I think. 08:42:33 <Nickman87> yeah, but I thought I'd make it more general for future additions? 08:42:44 <Nickman87> would it differ in performace? 08:44:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17269 /extra/website/account/templates/account/index.html: [Website] -Add: show on index of account where this account can be used 08:44:58 <andythenorth> so...three coasters (ships), large, medium small. Same basic sprites, different lengths. Look quite similar in gameplay.... 08:45:04 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45:14 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:45:15 <andythenorth> ...I can colour funnels / roofs differently for each size using 1CC and 2CC 08:45:40 <andythenorth> this looks...messier. But is it worth it for players to be able to tell ships apart easily? 08:45:53 <Alberth> Nickman87: we tend to extend only when needed (an extension here may not happen for many years). The idea is to get compact readable code. W.r.t. performance, the c++ compiler will probably optimize it away. 08:46:11 <Nickman87> ok :) I'll keep that in mind 08:46:23 <qball> wth I join a public server. withouth being able to do anyting I get kicked and banned 08:46:28 <qball> damn I must be scary 08:46:55 <petern> probably someone who wants a private server but is too stupid set set a password... 08:47:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:47:38 <qball> bah, it looked like an interresting game 08:47:55 <qball> I need to setup my own server someday 08:48:07 <Alberth> ah, you *did* do something :p 08:48:16 <qball> I looked yes 08:48:29 <qball> I was ogling the landscape 08:49:15 <qball> but I only looked, I did not touch! 08:49:31 <TrueBrain> that is what they all say 08:58:00 <Nickman87> haha :D 08:58:27 <Nickman87> why can't I do this "resize->height = GetStringBoundingBox(STR_STATION_LIST_NONE) + 2;" Alberth, while the bridge_gui can? :D 09:00:15 <Alberth> why can you not? 09:00:26 <Alberth> oh, I see 09:00:53 <Alberth> The function returns a Rect, not an unsigned integer 09:01:37 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 09:04:34 <Alberth> Nickman87: ^ 09:07:20 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 09:07:30 <TrueBrain> I tihnk ^Spike^ didn't understand the conversation we had last time 09:08:00 <TrueBrain> so let me be a tiny bit more specific: ^Spike^: /away is to mark yourself away, not renaming yourself. It is annoying, and not the thing we do in this channel. So please, turn it off. Thank you. 09:12:09 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*spike@*.chello.nl] by petern 09:12:09 *** ^Spike^ was kicked from #openttd by petern [^Spike^] 09:12:14 <petern> problem solved 09:12:33 <TrueBrain> I in general give people the chance to adjust their settings, before booting them off 09:12:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:12:57 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*spike@*.chello.nl] by petern 09:12:57 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has left #openttd [okay] 09:15:20 <TrueBrain> bah, my Dell keyboard and mouse are a complete waste of money (not that I paid anything for it in the first place). Keys are hanging randomly, mouse is not always working, ..... 09:15:47 <Nickman87> Aaaah, I see now Alberth, My mistake... :D 09:16:08 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:17:08 *** Terkhen is now known as Guest476 09:17:08 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 09:19:34 <TrueBrain> 8 years you do with a keyboard+mouse set .. then you finally buy a new one, which doesn't make it through the first year ... I hate 'progress' 09:20:52 *** Guest476 [~Terkhen@189.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:24 <TinoDidriksen> Get Logitech. 09:22:55 <TrueBrain> I had for 8 years .... 09:23:00 <TinoDidriksen> Aah 09:23:01 <TrueBrain> and Dell is strictly seen Logitech :p 09:23:18 <TrueBrain> but okay .. it is not like they have 1 thing :p 68 mouses ..... 35 keyboard + mouse ... 09:26:14 *** em1791 [~em179@124-169-57-130.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:26:25 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EDB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:30 *** em1791 is now known as em179 09:27:38 *** em179 [~em179@124-169-57-130.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #openttd [] 09:28:19 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I think I have script for adding users that just iterates the available uids and picks the first on that's not taken 09:28:25 <blathijs> TrueBrain: But that's nog really scalable 09:28:40 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I solved it :) Tnx anyway ;) Hihi :) 09:28:48 <TrueBrain> I made a new class which add uidMember to a group 09:28:49 <blathijs> TrueBrain: phpldapadmin supports a scheme which stores the next uid in LDAP, though 09:28:53 <TrueBrain> and I added that to the ou=Users 09:29:04 <TrueBrain> that value is the 'last used' value :) 09:29:25 <blathijs> Ah :-) 09:29:47 <TrueBrain> works nicely :) 09:30:15 <TrueBrain> it all works nicely, in fact :) 09:30:27 <blathijs> cool :-) 09:30:54 <TrueBrain> so again tnx for all your help :) 09:31:07 <TrueBrain> oh, I finally (!) received a PEN number .. 09:31:11 <TrueBrain> will install it later this week :p 09:33:35 <blathijs> Well, I don't think there are hundreds of PEN request each day, so a few days processing time isn't so weird? 09:33:37 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECAAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:24 <TrueBrain> no, I meant to say I didn't received it sooner, so I didn't install it yet :) 09:40:42 <blathijs> I responded to your (!) :-p 09:40:44 <blathijs> win 20 09:40:45 <blathijs> crap 09:41:57 <TrueBrain> in your pants! 09:42:03 <TrueBrain> :) 09:42:08 <TrueBrain> sorry, I couldn't resist :) 09:42:11 <Nickman87> Alberth: do I need to set the "resize->height" for every widget independently? 09:42:24 <Nickman87> Now for example, it only resizes my list, and not the window anymore :D 09:42:47 <williham> TrueBrain: it's better than "... in bed" 09:43:08 <TrueBrain> no more The Boat That Rocked for you williham 09:43:16 <williham> heh 09:43:30 <TrueBrain> :) 09:43:32 <TrueBrain> Good movie btw 09:43:59 <williham> never seen it 09:44:28 <TrueBrain> ah :) In it, they talk about one who crapped in his bed, while he was with a girl 09:45:45 <williham> oh 09:45:54 <williham> I was thinking of the old fortune cookie trick 09:46:11 <williham> A: "You will achieve happines and balance." B: "IN BED! OLOLOLOL!" 09:46:36 <Alberth> Nickman87: yes, but you can set most of them to 1 in the NWidgetPart array. Containers combine them to the smallest common resize step. Since 1 is common to all resize step sizes, you are effectively copying the largest step to all other widgets. 09:47:23 <Alberth> Nickman87: also, some of the widgets (like a scrollbar) already set that resize step. 09:48:49 <Alberth> Nickman87: the above holds for resize direction perpendicular to the orientation of the container, in the 'natural' direction, it is much simpler. 09:54:21 <Nickman87> indeed :) 09:54:31 <Nickman87> pretty nifty system ;) 09:57:28 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.221.19] has joined #openttd 10:00:55 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 10:08:50 <Nickman87> hmmmm, it looks OK now, problem is, my minimum size isn't used anymore? I have a minimal size on the list but when resizing, the window stays, and the list get smaller 10:09:00 <Nickman87> and it doesn't even grow back properly when making it bigger agian :d 10:14:11 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:15:21 <Alberth> Nickman87: minimal size is used only during setup and is valid for individual (leaf-)widgets only. That is used with filling to get smallest size for all widgets (ie of a non-resized window). From that point you can resize with the resize step. 10:16:43 <Nickman87> so how do I limit the resizing? Inside "UpdateWidgetSize"? 10:17:18 <Alberth> resize step = 0 prevents any resizing from smallest size 10:20:09 <Alberth> can you post the NWidgetPart? 10:23:41 <Nickman87> here: http://paste.openttd.org/210817 10:23:45 <Nickman87> didn't change it :) 10:24:28 <TrueBrain> I never read so many questions about the GUI :p 10:25:50 <Nickman87> :D 10:25:54 <Nickman87> I like GUI's ;) 10:26:42 <Alberth> 'about the GUI' is more questions like 'where should click to get a station window?' 10:26:57 <Alberth> this is more about programming a GUI :) 10:27:25 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 10:27:38 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:54 <Alberth> Nickman87: line 8 (the SLW_LIST widget) could use a SetFill(true, true) but otherwise seems fine 10:29:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:30:04 <Nickman87> do you prefer "true/false" or just "0/1" for booleans? 10:30:15 <Nickman87> "1/0" if you want to make it the same... 10:30:45 <Alberth> I prefer true/false, although I must admit using 1/0 all over the place :p 10:31:47 <Alberth> I think of filling as another resize operation, and that uses numeric values rather than booleans 10:33:03 <Alberth> (12:09:21 PM) Nickman87: hmmmm, it looks OK now, problem is, my minimum size isn't used anymore? I have a minimal size on the list but when resizing, the window stays, and the list get smaller <-- what is "the list get smaller" ? 10:34:00 <Nickman87> I'll take a screenshot 10:34:10 <Alberth> maybe you do something weird in the UpdateWidgetSize() ? 10:36:32 <Nickman87> does openttd have its own image service? :) 10:37:20 <Alberth> tt-forums :) 10:37:31 <Nickman87> :D 10:37:37 <Nickman87> uploading it somewhere 10:38:10 <Nickman87> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs842&d=09340&f=resize_problem985.png 10:38:22 <Nickman87> what you see there is where I moved my cursor while resizing 10:38:33 <Nickman87> the list gets smaller, but the window stays at the minimum size 10:38:47 <Nickman87> I also show the UpdateWidgetSize() function ;) 10:39:49 <Alberth> you mean the scrollbar? 10:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause> opengfx seriously needs to make the settings and save icons closer to the original 10:40:26 <TrueBrain> why? 10:41:05 <Nickman87> no, the scrollbar is ok 10:41:17 <Nickman87> the whole window stays at the minimum size set, except for the list 10:41:29 <Nickman87> it should show about 4 more lines 10:41:53 <Nickman87> but whil trying to resize the window smaller, they dissapear and never come back, The four empty lines stay there 10:42:15 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: people already got horribly confused because someone explained to him "click the wrench icon" 10:42:41 <TrueBrain> so people need to adjust .. 10:43:41 <Alberth> Nickman87: you fixed this "10" ? this->vscroll.cap += delta.y / 10; 10:45:42 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:45:51 <Alberth> Nickman87: bridge_gui also sets SetVScrollCount() in OnResize() which seems useful :) 10:47:03 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: if you play with opengfx for a year, and then switch back you'd be equally confused. 10:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: the problem is not switching, the problem is person A, who never played with opengfx, remote-explaining to person B, who never not used opengfx 10:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it does not have to be the same icon, but it should be the same pictogram 10:49:17 <Alberth> Also, once opengfx is finished, I don't see a good reason to stick with the current non-maintained TTDX graphics, I think many people will switch. 10:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not the point 10:49:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> any person searching for a toilet will search for a sign that remotely resembles a man or woman 10:51:08 <Alberth> as TB said, having more than one set of graphics around is a new situation that we need to adapt to. 10:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> they always look slightly differently, but they always resemble the same form 10:51:25 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I understand your problem, yet I don't agree that OpenGFX should change. It is like keeping the 'Start' menu always like that, just because once someone started with it :p 10:51:49 <TrueBrain> and because I like the OpenGFX ones more :) 10:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't get why someone would write savegames on a CD :p 10:52:32 <Alberth> yeah, stopping progress because of prior art makes little sense to me 10:52:58 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: new users of computers have never seen a floppy 10:53:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm not asking to stop progress, but in this case, i'd value the similarity more than the supposed benefit of "progress" 10:56:06 <TrueBrain> I wonder btw where those save icons are, you refer to :p 10:57:32 <TrueBrain> (and my point here is that the icon doesn't indicate the save menu :p) 10:59:45 <TrueBrain> either way, Eddi|zuHause, how do you see that there can be a conflict in the matter? 10:59:56 <TrueBrain> that a user can't find where to save his game because he is looking for another icon? 11:00:00 <Nickman87> hehe, now my list dissapears when I resize horizontaly Alberth :D 11:00:13 <Alberth> :) 11:00:14 <Nickman87> but when I resize vertically it does work, only it overflows a bit ;) 11:00:20 <Nickman87> but I should be able to solve that 11:00:59 <Nickman87> I don't really understand this line though "this->resize.height = this->height - 10 * 7; // minimum if 5 in the list" 11:02:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdfb6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:02:18 <TrueBrain> morning frosch123 11:02:34 <frosch123> morning truebrain 11:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: if you click on the icon without holding, it opens the save menu 11:03:47 <TrueBrain> how the *bleep* do you activate OpenGFX ingame? 11:03:56 <frosch123> open game options 11:04:11 <TrueBrain> tnx 11:04:27 <Alberth> Nickman87: this->resize.height is the minimal height of the window, this->height is the initial window height (as defined in the WindowDesc). Apparently the latter resizes to 12 lines. Just set minimal size of the list to 5 lines, and it should work (as initial resize of the WindowDesc is still done). 11:04:38 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: the settings icon is very clear, if you put both versions next to eachother, you can't have any mistake on that 11:04:50 <TrueBrain> and the floppy to cd, I find an amuzing joke :) 11:05:08 <Alberth> frosch123: I read that as 'open-game options' and got very confused :) 11:05:14 <frosch123> i always store my savegames on cd-rw 11:05:41 <frosch123> Alberth: yeah, i read it also like that after i wrote it :p 11:05:41 <TrueBrain> damn, I really haven't played OpenTTD in a long time .. right button scrolling is still not logic :) 11:05:47 <TrueBrain> and <ok> <cancel> buttons neither 11:06:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: there are about 5 settings to individualise scrolling 11:06:42 <TrueBrain> okay, the 'default' settings are weird :p 11:06:44 <TrueBrain> it always was :) 11:07:02 <Alberth> TrueBrain: that's why you can change them :p 11:07:29 <TrueBrain> and using dutch language sucks ass :p 11:08:00 <Alberth> it does with any program imho 11:08:05 <TrueBrain> yup 11:08:19 <TrueBrain> it still did generate townnames in english :p 11:09:50 <TrueBrain> sorry Eddi|zuHause, I tried, but I really can't see how it can ever give any confusion ... 11:10:57 <Nickman87> so, actually the line should just be "(this->height / this->resize.step_height) * this->resize.step_height;" which looks stupid, but will remove some pixels? 11:11:43 <TrueBrain> you can write it down in a less stupid (but more expensive) way: height -= height % step_height 11:12:03 <Nickman87> its only once so... doesn't really matter if it is more expensive :) 11:17:23 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:16 <Nickman87> it's resizing like it should again Alberth ;) 11:20:17 <Nickman87> have to go now ;) 11:20:18 <Nickman87> cya! 11:21:46 <TrueBrain> bubye :) 11:26:12 <TrueBrain> Hmm .. I agree with Nickman87, time to go :) Have a good day all! 11:39:05 <Alberth> Nickman87: I knew you could do it! 11:39:19 <Alberth> Bye TrueBrain 11:58:57 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static217-26.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@77.177.157.146] has joined #openttd 12:06:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5d97:f886:7e90:e1fb] has joined #openttd 12:06:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:42 *** Lisby [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:10:44 *** Lisby is now known as green-devil 12:22:26 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 12:23:13 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:47 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EDB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:17 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EDB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:49 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-156-236-196.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:24:23 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.221.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:41:39 <andythenorth> Terkhen: Terkhen: RV acceleration...the articulated vehicle behaviour, specifically unladen weight, how likely is that to change: no | maybe | very likely? 13:41:47 <andythenorth> as I am about to go through HEQS and move weights to the lead vehicle of each consist (not a lot of work, but some work nonetheless) 13:54:37 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 13:55:21 *** timbo [~timbo@5e01ae9d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:55:57 <timbo> hello 13:57:23 <timbo> is ther any1 ther 13:58:59 *** timbo [~timbo@5e01ae9d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.190.131] has joined #openttd 14:05:53 <frosch123> andythenorth: very unlikely. there is a certain optimisation present, which just sums up weight, power and TE for e.g. whole trains consist (and Terkhen does the same for RV). if you would do that also for trailers you would end up with the load adding up to the TE. I.e. currently you can design a engine with e.g. 5 tons weight, 1000 hp and a certain TE coefficient which then results in a certain TE pulling the whole load of 30 tons. 14:05:55 <frosch123> if you now sum the weight and TE of all parts, you would end up with a TE depending on the load of the trailers, as you cannot distinguish the powered axes of the engine from the unpowered axes of the trailers 14:07:56 <andythenorth> okey dokey, that sounds sane. I'll just add up the unladen weights of the trailers and add them to the lead vehicle. 14:08:45 <andythenorth> That will increase TE, but will also add to total weight to be moved for any given hp (which is what I want) 14:20:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:24:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE97b5.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm147.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:27:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:50:06 <Nickman87> Hi Alberth, I've finished the window (I think, will check it again ;)) but I have created a height difference: http://www.ploader.net/files/27bf54020d9c09373a3b7efe81dc2106.png 14:50:23 <Nickman87> Should I adjust it so it has the same height as before? Or is this okay? 14:51:05 <Alberth> looks like the line height has changed 14:51:59 <Alberth> I am busy playing a game atm, so no time now 14:53:52 <Nickman87> Yeah, I know what caused it, but should I bring it back to the normal height or keep it like this? 14:55:01 <Alberth> the left one looks a bit too compact to me 14:56:27 <glx> font size is different it seems 15:00:27 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:00:43 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 15:04:50 <Nickman87> font size is the same, the left image is the currect window, the right one is my adapation :) 15:04:59 <Nickman87> so my version is less compact 15:05:10 <Nickman87> should I compact it again, or leave it like this? :) 15:07:38 <glx> your version uses variable while the original uses constant I guess 15:09:50 <Nickman87> yes, but the height is constant over all the sign words 15:09:57 <Nickman87> only difference is: height 12 vs height 10 :) 15:10:13 <Nickman87> current game uses height 10 (compact version) Mine uses heigh 12 15:10:22 <Nickman87> so, should I correct it to 10 again, or stick with the 12 15:10:25 <Nickman87> or go with 11? :D 15:14:33 *** DX [~Dreamxtre@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:14:45 <DX> Hi All 15:14:55 <Nickman87> hi 15:15:05 *** DX is now known as Dreamxtreme 15:15:16 <Dreamxtreme> anyone played my map then 15:15:27 <Dreamxtreme> England & Wales 15:16:37 <glx> Nickman87: I think it should be something with FONT_HEIGHT_NORMAL 15:17:39 <glx> maybe like max(FONT_HEIGHT_NORMAL, height of the colored box) 15:17:39 <Nickman87> ai.gui uses it :) 15:17:46 <Nickman87> yeah 15:17:49 <Nickman87> good idea 15:18:30 <glx> like in company_gui.cpp:497 15:19:29 <glx> as nested windows should auto adapt to any font :) 15:19:35 <Nickman87> (byte)14 looks a bit hackish? :D 15:20:43 <glx> sprite height, but maybe there's a "cleaner" way 15:21:23 <Nickman87> in the signs gui it just gets draw, so I cant get any info off it 15:22:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:19 <Nickman87> think I have soemthing 15:25:41 <glx> GetSpriteSize() may help 15:27:11 <Nickman87> yeah ;) 15:27:43 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:29:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:11 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:17 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 15:31:29 <Nickman87> seems to be working 15:31:44 <Nickman87> --> "resize->height = max(FONT_HEIGHT_NORMAL, (byte)GetSpriteSize(SPR_PLAYER_ICON).height);" looks much cleaner ;) 15:32:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejh1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:32:54 <frosch123> how about max<uint>(...., ....) 15:33:12 <Nickman87> that is another possibility :) 15:33:35 <Nickman87> its cleane r;) 15:33:37 <frosch123> "byte" knid of refers to bytes :) 15:35:00 <Nickman87> yeah 15:35:05 <Nickman87> now its back to 10 glx 15:35:19 <Nickman87> should I add one more pixel, or leave it as dense as the current system? 15:36:14 <frosch123> you could add a WD_PAR_VSEP_NORMAL 15:37:05 <frosch123> iirrc Alberth already converted the town list, how does that one look like? 15:37:34 <Nickman87> Ill take a look 15:39:25 <Nickman87> it is just "FONT_HEIGHT_NORMAL" so 10 px... 15:40:04 <frosch123> then I would suggest to do the same :) 15:40:19 <Nickman87> ok, I'll keep it like this then 15:41:25 <Nickman87> problem is, when the company sprite sould grow to lets say 10 or 11 px height, they would be pressed against eachother ;) 15:46:08 <Nickman87> why is this 'SetDParam(0, si->index);' stated in the signs_gui.cpp file... It doesn't print a sequence number... 15:46:27 <Nickman87> I mean a sign number 15:47:28 *** Biolunar [mahdi@77.177.157.146] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:50:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:55 <glx> what's the stringid ? 15:50:57 <Yexo> good evening 15:52:53 <glx> TrueBrain: can you please put me back in french translators group ? 15:53:38 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:40 <glx> Nickman87: it's a {SIGN}, meaning it will draw the sign value 15:53:51 <Nickman87> STR_SIGN_NAME 15:54:04 <Nickman87> so "si->index" contains the content? 15:54:24 <glx> no it contains the index, which is used to get the content 15:54:44 <glx> FormatString() handles that 15:55:29 <Nickman87> aaaaah 15:55:30 <Nickman87> ok :) 15:57:05 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:05 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:57:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:32 <Nickman87> I uploaded a new patch to flyspray Alberth ;). I think all the magic numbers are gone now 16:00:10 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:00:38 <Alberth> ok, will take a look at it 16:03:04 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:21 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 16:03:28 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 16:10:26 <Terkhen> frosch123: sorry, I just came back... thanks for answering to andythenorth :) 16:10:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:24 <frosch123> don't talk about the devil ^^ 16:11:38 <Terkhen> hehehehe 16:11:42 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 16:11:56 <andythenorth> hello 16:12:13 <Terkhen> sorry about not answering; I was away... but just what frosch said :P 16:13:33 <andythenorth> that's fine. I'll change the HEQS vehicle stats. I have compiled OpenTTD with the RV physics patch, it's looking good so far... 16:14:02 <andythenorth> (typing slowly, got post-climbing arms) 16:16:02 <Terkhen> great, I think I got all the bugs and design errors with v6... I'll check everything again (specially articulated vehicles) with the updated HEQS, because I still have the feeling that I am missing something important 16:16:39 <Terkhen> I always have that feeling when I code something anyways 16:17:13 <andythenorth> :) 16:29:21 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:50 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 16:43:30 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:30 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest497 16:43:30 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:48:37 *** Guest497 [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:24 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:24 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest499 17:02:24 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:05:04 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:58 *** Guest499 [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:12 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:13 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest502 17:07:13 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:11:40 *** Guest502 [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:52 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest508 17:18:52 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:23:53 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-231-179.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest509 17:23:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:24:28 *** Guest508 [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:36 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:42 *** Guest509 [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-36.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:20 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 17:37:56 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-231-179.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38:33 * PeterT feels that DaleStan/Guest509 has an unstable connection. 17:39:33 <Alberth> I'd rather call it 'dynamic' :p 17:39:57 <PeterT> Can you say understatement? 17:40:08 <Alberth> understatement 17:40:14 <Alberth> yes I can say that 17:42:10 <PeterT> are you sure? 17:42:46 <Alberth> how sure can one be of ones own beliefs? 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17270 /trunk/src/lang/ (danish.txt portuguese.txt serbian.txt): 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 39 changes by silentStatic 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 2 changes by SupSuper 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 4 changes by etran 17:46:33 <frosch123> planetmaker: next time i would write the foundation stuff using script-fu 17:47:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.12] has joined #openttd 17:54:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:59 <Terkhen> andythenorth: my feeling was right, there was a huge mistake on my part... check the patch thread 17:56:20 <Terkhen> I'm sorry if you already started testing 17:57:35 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:12 <andythenorth> Terkhen: ^ I replied in the thread. Not testing right now, cooking dinner ;) 17:59:15 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 18:00:49 <Terkhen> okay, I'll check that too 18:01:08 <Terkhen> you remember in which vehicle you saw that problem? 18:01:30 <andythenorth> Thunder Mountain truck 18:01:40 <Terkhen> thanks, I'll get to it 18:14:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:38 *** TinoDid [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:19:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:40 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 18:30:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE97b5.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:35:27 <TrueBrain> glx: done 18:35:31 <TrueBrain> relogin before it takes effect 18:35:38 <TrueBrain> affect 18:35:39 <TrueBrain> hmm 18:36:08 <Alberth> effect 18:36:26 <Alberth> after relogin he is than affected by your change 18:36:40 <Alberth> s/than/then/ 18:38:17 <TrueBrain> I hate english ;) Tnx :) 18:38:48 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:38:51 <frosch123> didn't your wrote earlier today, you also dislike dutch? 18:38:58 <TrueBrain> in games, very much 18:39:03 <TrueBrain> but all sane dutch people have that :) 18:43:14 <OwenS> Who put a PCI-E graphics card in the PCI section? -_- 18:46:18 <TrueBrain> blathijs: exim doesn't like sending mail with LDAP accounts (via PAM) :( 18:46:45 <frosch123> you mean in some shop, or was someone strong enough to squeeze a pci-e card into a pci slot? 18:50:14 <OwenS> frosch123: Shop categories 18:50:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:33 <Yexo> TrueBrain: have you ever had contact with the squirrel developer? 18:51:33 <TrueBrain> Yexo: tried 2 or 3 times, failed, never tried again .. never took any real effort 18:51:34 <TrueBrain> why? 18:52:03 <Yexo> because http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=44837 is a bug in squirrel 18:52:20 <TrueBrain> try contacting him :) 18:52:24 <Yexo> so I intented to report it back 18:52:30 <Yexo> I certainly will :p 18:53:20 <TrueBrain> let me know how that goes :) 18:57:12 <TrueBrain> Yexo: btw, I will now be porting your account to the new id from LDAP :) 18:58:26 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 18:59:15 <Yexo> TrueBrain: does that have any effect? 18:59:32 <TrueBrain> yes, your ID is now different :p 18:59:54 <TrueBrain> all done :) 19:00:52 <Yexo> ok :) 19:01:08 <TrueBrain> oh, and if you had a different SSH password (if any at all), it is now in sync with LDAP :p 19:01:29 <TrueBrain> soon we will force SSH keys .. but that in the (near) future :) 19:01:44 <TrueBrain> oh, and I didn't link NoAI (read: redmine) yet 19:02:07 * Yexo should fix my graphical ssh client to use an ssh key 19:02:17 <TrueBrain> please do :) 19:03:15 <Yexo> reporting a squirrel bug problem 1: after creating an account on the forum I don't get a confirmation email (so no password) 19:03:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17271 /trunk/src/ (25 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: SetFill sometimes used 1/0 when it should be using true/false 19:04:54 <TrueBrain> hehe, well, in theory it can be our filter which didn't let the mail through :p 19:04:55 <glx> OwenS: avoid that shop if you can (seems they don't know what they sell) 19:05:02 <TrueBrain> (greylisting and shit) 19:05:23 <Yexo> TrueBrain: didn't use my openttd.org email, so that certainly isn't the problem ;) 19:05:25 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:30 <TrueBrain> hehe 19:05:31 <TrueBrain> fair enough :) 19:05:31 <Yexo> ah, just got the message 19:05:40 * TrueBrain celebrates 19:05:43 <Yexo> (after the "forgotten password" mail) 19:05:46 <TrueBrain> and hello R0b0t1 19:05:52 <R0b0t1> ello 19:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't understand it... can anyone explain to me the xkcd bit about the sunglasses? 19:06:04 <TrueBrain> does it send you the password rawtext? I always hate those services, which send me my password in plaintext 19:06:09 <TrueBrain> means they store my password plaintext ... 19:06:12 <TrueBrain> scares the hell out of me 19:06:36 <Yexo> TrueBrain: it does 19:06:49 * TrueBrain is proud to state that all openttd.org passwords are crypted the first time they are received .. via ssha .. one way crypt :p 19:07:19 <TrueBrain> plaintext passwords are never any longer available then a single request, and that because they are in some POST buffer :p 19:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you should encrypt the passwords client side ;) 19:08:27 <TrueBrain> considered it, but ldap connects via its own crypt :) 19:08:31 <TrueBrain> so that was no option :) 19:08:52 <TrueBrain> well, maybe that is not true .. only adds the javascript requirement to the site .. 19:08:55 <TrueBrain> okay, silly thought :) 19:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and force https: connections... 19:09:33 <TrueBrain> https is available for all optional :) As we use cacert CA, I don't want those complains :p 19:10:00 <TrueBrain> if someone would sponsor us with a more accepted root CA signed certificate, I am more than willing to force https :) 19:11:13 <Yexo> the squirrel forum doesn't have a way to upload files, and I can't find a way to make (part of) a post plaintext 19:11:29 <TrueBrain> but okay ... squirrel forum stores passwords plaintext ... so don't use your main password or what ever :p 19:11:32 <Yexo> how usefull when you expect bug reports on a scripting language and as such also expect code to be posted... 19:11:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:11:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:12:00 <TrueBrain> Yexo: the site is not the best ... and the forum is not the best .. there is a lack of documentation and coding style .. yet .. it is the only language doing what it does :) 19:12:14 <TrueBrain> clearly the best programmers are the worst website creators : 19:12:16 <TrueBrain> p 19:12:33 <Yexo> hehe :p 19:13:23 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Hmm... I think I have a couple of "digital coupons" for free Commodo CAs lying around 19:13:27 <OwenS> certs** 19:13:55 <OwenS> Unfortunately I don't think theres a way for me to actually send you one :p 19:14:33 <OwenS> [Namecheap have been giving them away with domains] 19:15:31 <OwenS> (I think I have about 10 useless whoisguard coupons lying around also...) 19:16:38 <glx> TrueBrain: so you are a bad programmer ? ;) 19:16:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:18:42 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I hope to establish competition against it soon :p 19:22:10 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I am proud to say my site hashes passwords using a one way algorithm derived from Blowfish, invented by the OpenBSD folks to be secure and, importantly, slow 19:22:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17272 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3115]: game options window sub frames wouldn't resize when another did 19:26:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17273 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: -Fix [Squirrel]: calling a function that has default parameters with not enough parameters can cause a crash 19:26:47 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-156-236-196.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:02 * OwenS wonders why the Squirrel source has "(nargs++)"... those parentheses are useless and liable to confuse people 19:28:08 * Yexo thinks OwenS hasn't looked at the rest of the squirrel code yet 19:28:29 <OwenS> Just looking at the style used in your patch makes me want not to :p 19:29:35 <TrueBrain> [21:22] <OwenS> TrueBrain: I am proud to say my site hashes passwords using a one way algorithm derived from Blowfish, invented by the OpenBSD folks to be secure and, importantly, slow <- ssha (salted sha-1) is currently the 'standard' and is very hard to revert ;) 19:29:40 <TrueBrain> glx: yes :p 19:30:32 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Aah, thats what Solaris uses for /etc/shadow (Compare Linux, which uses an MD5 derived method). The OpenBSD one has the advantage that brute forcing (or even dictionary attacks) are very, very slow 19:30:46 <TrueBrain> but I never understood why people think that 'forgot password' should sent you the password you entered :s 19:31:13 <Yexo> TrueBrain: the squirrel site doesn't, it sends you a new password in clear text 19:31:14 <Sacro> I heard yesterday that there's talk amongst computer companies to increase the size of a byte by one-eighth. 19:31:18 <Sacro> I'd say that's a bit too much. 19:31:19 <TrueBrain> OwenS: my linux uses ssha too :p 19:31:33 <OwenS> I send people a token and ask them to enter it on a form, which then lets them enter a new password 19:31:39 <Yexo> but you can't enter a password when you sign up, and there is no message to advise you to change it at all 19:31:43 <TrueBrain> OwenS: exactly how it should be done :) 19:31:57 <TrueBrain> (and the part I still have to do :p Hehehehe :)) 19:32:17 <TrueBrain> OwenS: but yeah, slow algorithms are very useful :) 19:32:21 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i don't get why 'secure' sites ask for stupid things like Date of birth, mother's maiden name, place of birth 19:32:21 <OwenS> Even better, I send a token composed of words for the really horrid scenario of can't copy & paste for some reason 19:32:28 <Sacro> anyone with my facebook can quite easily get all 3 19:32:50 <Sacro> i mean seriously, date of birth... 19:32:53 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I use a md5 hash, so all values are between 0..9A..Z :p 19:33:03 <TrueBrain> My date of birth is @$%#123wedsf34523$@@#$WEdf 19:33:14 <TrueBrain> my mother's maiden name tend to be something very simular :p 19:33:17 <OwenS> I use a 16 byte random number passed through the RFCsomething filter :p 19:33:32 <TrueBrain> I am always VERY sure I will never pass any of those 'forgot password' questions :) 19:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "don't use your relatives' names as password" 19:33:54 <OwenS> My bank doesn't use those for "forgot password". It asks it each time you login in addition to your password -_- 19:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "use them as recovery phrase instead" 19:34:05 <TrueBrain> now that is a bit smarter :) 19:34:14 <TrueBrain> means besides the account details, you also need to know the person 19:34:17 <TrueBrain> limiting random exploiting 19:34:43 <OwenS> "Your town of birth: " Erm... Which way did I write it? Just as "X" or as "X-on-Y"? Grr 19:34:56 <williham> random exploiting is a comparatively small problem, tho' 19:35:33 <OwenS> Same kind of problem applies to the "Your first school" question 19:35:46 <TrueBrain> OwenS: can we safely say: ANY social question? 19:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: "The bodies are..." 19:35:50 <TrueBrain> before you start stating them all? :p 19:36:10 <OwenS> TrueBrain: No, "Mothers maiden name" is pretty unambiguous. It of course assumes your mother married... 19:36:27 <TrueBrain> with capital 19:36:33 <TrueBrain> ... :p 19:36:36 <TrueBrain> but okay :) 19:36:38 <OwenS> I'd always capitalize properly :p 19:36:39 <TrueBrain> those questions sucks 19:36:47 <TrueBrain> and are always answered by me in a rather cool way :p 19:36:54 <TrueBrain> mostly immediatly showing SQL Inject problems :) 19:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause> just use your password as password recovery phrase :p 19:37:18 <TrueBrain> for a long time my password was: ' or ''=' 19:37:28 <TrueBrain> you have no idea how often I logged in as a random other user 19:37:32 <TrueBrain> or worse: as administrator 19:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> haha ;) 19:37:50 <TrueBrain> freewebs.com not being the smallest of those 19:37:55 <OwenS> lool 19:38:06 <TrueBrain> the fun part always is when you email it to them 19:38:12 <TrueBrain> either they deny it (and didn't fix it) 19:38:17 <TrueBrain> or they flame you to the ground for hacking their site 19:38:24 <OwenS> I'm embarassed to admit my first PHP website let you do stuff like ?p=/etc/passwd ... 19:38:34 <TrueBrain> yes .. hacking .. I needed such a big skillset to 'hack' into their site... 19:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> "but my son really IS called bobby tables." 19:39:33 <TrueBrain> OwenS: that is bad, but that happens .. we can all make that mistake .. maybe even openttd.org has that mistake 19:39:55 <TrueBrain> therefor in /etc/passwd nowedays are no passwords :p (despite the name) 19:40:00 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Fortunately I think it was on SF.net or such, so not much non public accessible :p 19:40:21 <TrueBrain> hehe, fileplanet had th eproblem on their FTP 19:40:25 <TrueBrain> ' or ''=' 19:40:29 <TrueBrain> and you were administrator :) 19:41:12 <TrueBrain> but okay, either proftpd or pureftp had that problem in general for many versions .. I always mix up those 2, so don't ask me which :p 19:41:50 <OwenS> Isn't this why, if you must run an ftpd, you run vsftpd? :p 19:42:02 <OwenS> (It is vsftpd isn't it?) 19:42:03 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:04 <TrueBrain> I am pretty sure it also has security issues 19:42:12 <TrueBrain> but rather, run ftp as non-root on some non-important system :p 19:42:37 <TrueBrain> but hell, don't use ftp 19:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> who in his right mind uses ftp? 19:42:56 <TrueBrain> it still amazes me how many ISPs allow you to upload your website via FTP :( 19:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> use sftp 19:42:59 <TrueBrain> scares the hell out of me 19:43:04 <OwenS> I think the only valid reason to run it is as a public download archive. 19:43:16 <OwenS> Though why you wouldn't use http for that is beyond me... 19:43:20 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I prefer http over ftp, but yes, anonymous read access .. 19:43:35 <TrueBrain> I believe most of our binary mirrors have ftp too :p 19:43:42 <TrueBrain> ftp not supporting vhost, makes it expensive :) 19:43:56 <TrueBrain> oeh oeh oeh, soon I will be toying with a vhost patch for subversion :) Can't wait to see if that is any good :) 19:44:41 <OwenS> Yeah, it's vsftpd. Kernel.org, redhat, suse and openbsd run it 19:46:01 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:06 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 19:47:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE97b5.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejh1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 19:50:33 <TrueBrain> if I am done (if ever) restructuring openttd.org, I might even start vsftpd :p 19:50:56 <TrueBrain> I still need to battle Django, why on earth it sometimes mixes the caches of one language with the other 19:51:04 <TrueBrain> presenting some WEIRD language for 5 minutes on the /en pages 19:51:04 <OwenS> O_o 19:51:11 <TrueBrain> (while I have caches disabled in every way I could find) 19:51:14 <OwenS> vsftpd is ftp done right. Namely, all the socket talking processes are run as an unprivileged user 19:51:22 <OwenS> And as much as possible chrooted 19:51:24 <OwenS> etc 19:51:41 <TrueBrain> if I would run it, it would be in a VERY small VPS anyway :p 19:52:05 <TrueBrain> one thing that still sucks about virtualization, you can't share 1 FS over multiple kernel VMs 19:52:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:12 <TrueBrain> for that linux-vserver still kind of rules 19:52:17 <TrueBrain> oh, I talk too much .. /me goes sit in a corner 19:52:28 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:48 <OwenS> I think vserver actually runs inside Xen, which is kinda fun. If you're mad. Fortunately, I'm not :p 19:53:01 <TrueBrain> vserver runs on all virtualization software, yes 19:53:10 <TrueBrain> but they should invent a FS which allows sharing itself 19:53:14 <TrueBrain> e.g.: no kernel caches :p 19:53:20 <OwenS> It's called ZFS on Solaris 19:53:29 <OwenS> Shares through Zones perfectly 19:53:32 <TrueBrain> via fileserver techniques, that is possible 19:53:41 <TrueBrain> but not with direct links 19:53:52 <TrueBrain> as in: mount /dev/sdb1 /myshare 19:53:54 <TrueBrain> on 2 machines 19:53:58 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:08 <OwenS> Though as all zones share a kernel (Including Linux "branded zones"), thats not surprising 19:54:08 <TrueBrain> (where they both refer to the same block) 19:55:01 <TrueBrain> cool, vbox now support ICH controller 19:55:04 <TrueBrain> ICH6 .. but still 19:55:31 <OwenS> Solaris Linux Branded Zones are cool... A virtual Linux machine running directly under the Solaris kernel... 19:55:43 <TrueBrain> hehe 19:57:01 <TrueBrain> I never found the time to look into ZFS ... 19:57:03 <OwenS> They also acheive native performance because theres no emulation going on 19:57:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:57:54 <OwenS> IIRC, one makes a pool using a command like zpool create poolname c0d0s0 c0d1s0 (The c0d0s0 bit is Solaris way of naming disks :P ) 19:58:11 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:51 <OwenS> Creating a fs is like "zfs create poolname fsname" 19:59:01 <TrueBrain> I hate it, when sites do load, but some images not .. keeping any content from showing :( 19:59:25 <TrueBrain> OwenS: still you can't use those FSes in multiple VMs (running their own kernel :p) 19:59:35 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:00:11 <OwenS> TrueBrain: True :p 20:00:36 <OwenS> Zones are, in general, superior to VMs though (Unless you need to run a Windows VM :P ) 20:00:56 <TrueBrain> when I talk VMs, I need them in all kinds of flavors :) 20:02:00 <TrueBrain> but okay, those Zones are just like linux-vserver 20:02:05 <TrueBrain> and openvz, I guess 20:02:13 <OwenS> No, since they don't run multiple kernels 20:02:17 <TrueBrain> .... 20:02:25 <TrueBrain> I think you should readup on linux-vserver now :p 20:02:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm147.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02:40 <OwenS> VServer and OpenVZ run a modified Linux kernel in user space do they not? 20:02:47 <OwenS> Zones can at present do solaris8, solaris9, solaris10, native (== solaris10 on Solaris 10, or OpenSolaris on OpenSolaris, etc), lx24 (AKA Linux 2.4), lx26 (Linux 2.6) 20:02:52 <TrueBrain> vserver and openvz by definition run only one kernel 20:03:00 <TrueBrain> xen, vbox, vmware run kernels for each VM 20:03:08 *** Timitry [~Timitry@22-92.stw.uni-duisburg.de] has joined #openttd 20:03:25 <TrueBrain> (that is what makes both virtualization techniques different :p) 20:03:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 20:04:29 <OwenS> VServer looks like Zones but more limited 20:04:38 <TrueBrain> limited how? :) 20:04:51 <OwenS> Can't run separate networking stacks, can't do "kernel brands" 20:05:07 <TrueBrain> vserver really sucks in its networking, but that is about it :) 20:05:09 <OwenS> (Brands being when the kernel pretends it's something else to uerspace) 20:06:40 <OwenS> Solaris can run either a combined or separate networking stack, though the separate requires an interface for each zone (That interface can be a VLan however, for example) 20:07:02 <OwenS> (Separate = Each zone gets it's own routing information) 20:07:54 <TrueBrain> hmm ... creating a 8GB file on my disk is slow today, when I let vbox do it :) Ghehehehehe :) 20:10:03 <TrueBrain> hmm .. IO waits longer than I would like to talk about :) 20:10:12 <TrueBrain> btw, OwenS, is OpenSolaris any good nowedays? 20:11:07 <OwenS> It's definitely not ready for primetime. It comes working and has an OK package selection, but some software is hell to build on it 20:11:35 <OwenS> The default GCC is an ancient 3.4.2; a package is also available for 4.3.2 though. SunStudio compilers are available and generally build better code 20:11:50 <OwenS> Installs GNOME by default; KDE is probably available but I haven't yet checked 20:12:14 <TrueBrain> I couldn't care less about a GUI :) 20:12:37 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:07 <OwenS> If you don't want a GUI you'll have to uninstall it after you install the OS; OpenSolaris seems to be more targetted at a desktop system. I assume Sun assumes sysadmins will keep their servers on Solaris 10 until 11 comes out 20:13:19 <OwenS> OpenSolaris vs Solaris can be compared to Fedora vs RHEL :p 20:14:12 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:39 <TrueBrain> I hate it when you download something, and get something else :( 20:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> then you should not download music via kazaa 20:18:59 <TrueBrain> that is the worst part: I used a trusted source 20:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (disclaimer: i only know kazaa from hearsay) 20:21:21 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: We believe you.... 20:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> actually. i really never had kazaa on any of my computers 20:25:18 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:22 <frosch123> [22:25] <Eddi|zuHause> actually. i really never had kazaa on any of my computers <- so even your computer is stolen? 20:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> even if the computer was stolen, it would be "mine" 20:28:24 <frosch123> aybabtu 20:28:42 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 20:29:28 <frosch123> isn't "all your bases are belong to us" abbreviated that way? 20:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> quite possibly 20:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just not a phrase i stumble upon THAT frequently 20:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but i really never used kazaa 20:32:38 <OwenS> =( Now i've goit http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZeroWing open 20:33:07 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.94.156] has joined #openttd 20:33:21 <OwenS> (Which is written entirely in Zero Wingrish...)_ 20:33:26 *** Timitry [~Timitry@22-92.stw.uni-duisburg.de] has left #openttd [] 20:33:38 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-156-236-196.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:35:17 <frosch123> :) 20:39:48 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@141.202-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 20:39:55 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 20:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i'm tired today 20:45:02 <TrueBrain> tip: visit your bed :) 20:45:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm already in there 20:45:35 <TrueBrain> ieuw 20:45:43 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Dunno, I don't use exim for sending mail 20:45:56 <blathijs> not for LDAP users, that is 20:46:05 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I found what was wrong ... salsauthd had everything cached 20:46:09 <TrueBrain> a restart fixed it :) 20:46:09 <blathijs> ah :-) 20:46:12 <blathijs> nice 20:46:20 <TrueBrain> not so nice of that software :p 20:46:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, our 'merges' are not that nice :p 20:47:03 <TrueBrain> for a short while 2 identical users exist with different uids :p 20:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what's "ieuw" about a bed? 20:48:17 <TrueBrain> I love the instability of my torrent download (once again) ... 40 mbit/sec for 30 seconds, then 87 kbit/sec ... 20:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i have that, too... sequences with 300kbit and then back to 60kbit 20:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> especially the heavily used ones are extremely slow 20:51:44 <OwenS> =/ Mine tended to ramp up to 300kbit/s and stay there for hours 20:52:00 <OwenS> (I havent ran them since the ISP change since the router is still MIA...) 20:52:15 <TrueBrain> MIA .. that is bad, as that means it did work at some point 20:52:21 <TrueBrain> you can't be missing in action, if you never did any action :p 20:52:51 <R0b0t1> Typically I see people's downloading capped by the server, not their connection. 20:53:25 <TrueBrain> oeh, 61 mbit/sec 20:53:30 <TrueBrain> 4 more minutes ... 20:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, my torrent also takes 4 more hours... 20:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess our connections are very alike 20:55:01 <TrueBrain> bah, 67 kbit/sec ... 20:55:12 <OwenS> I shall have to see what speeds I get when I get rtorrent back up 20:55:43 <TrueBrain> apt-get install rtorrent 20:55:45 <TrueBrain> rtorrent 20:55:47 <TrueBrain> sounds easy enough :p 20:56:26 <OwenS> I don't have my 2TB array accessible from here :p 20:56:33 <R0b0t1> :\ 20:56:36 <R0b0t1> Overkill for porn, man. 20:56:40 <OwenS> Note the "lack of router" issue :p 20:57:13 <TrueBrain> I haven't seen a good movie all week 20:57:16 <TrueBrain> I should fix that 20:57:35 <OwenS> I watched a bad (Of the "so bad it's hillarious") category on Friday... 20:57:52 <OwenS> R0b0t1: music, TV shows, movies, direct DVD rips, soon: direct BD rips... but no porn :p 20:58:12 <TrueBrain> bdrips .. not many you can store of those on 2 TB :p 20:58:13 <R0b0t1> Suuuuuuure :D 20:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i have only watched a handful of movies all year 20:58:52 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Yeah. I expect I'll transcode them. Or perhaps just leave them on the BD :P 20:59:10 <frosch123> hmm, is there a technical reason why that "Ex" guy registers his servers on multiple ports, or is that just some server-list cheating? 20:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause> was that batman movie last year? 20:59:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: it really is 1 server? 20:59:45 <frosch123> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers <- the same stats, only ports different 21:00:12 <TrueBrain> trunk 'fixes' that problem (unintentional) 21:00:19 <TrueBrain> but yes, this looks a lot like trying to cheat 21:00:42 <TrueBrain> ports are completely random .. 21:00:48 <TrueBrain> maybe he restarted a server unexpected 21:00:58 <TrueBrain> can take 15+ minutes before they disapear from the list 21:01:12 <frosch123> well, i noticed that like 3 days ago :) 21:01:37 <TrueBrain> makes me wonder if there are real clients who are on the server 21:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> can you perma-ban ips from the masterserver? 21:01:44 <TrueBrain> sure 21:01:51 <OwenS> I so think the server list should ignore punctuation in it's sort :p 21:02:04 <frosch123> OwenS: it sorts by number of clients 21:02:08 <TrueBrain> OwenS: tell me how with MySQL, and I will add it 21:02:10 <OwenS> Heh 21:02:10 <frosch123> and current stable first 21:02:16 <TrueBrain> that for sure 21:02:31 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 21:02:53 <TrueBrain> ???v2.00 <- lovely server version :p 21:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i only recognize the sign for china 21:04:03 <glx> at least it's explicitely a custom build 21:04:22 <TrueBrain> pff, 13k server-entries .. 21:05:22 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: could be hiroshima too 21:06:39 <TrueBrain> euh ... Ex has 1993 ip:ports listed in the MS ... 21:06:46 <glx> ??,...?????,...(n) (1) China; (2) South-west most region of Honshu; middle of a country; the Hiroshima area (com); 21:06:46 <glx> ?,...??,...(n) edition (com); 21:07:29 <TrueBrain> I love white squares 21:07:49 <TrueBrain> frosch123: what do you suggest to do against Ex's? 21:07:55 <frosch123> [23:07] <TrueBrain> euh ... Ex has 1993 ip:ports listed in the MS ... <- so he changes ports every five minutes? 21:08:12 <frosch123> TrueBrain: make fun of him 21:08:14 <TrueBrain> all ports between 6000 and 8000 21:08:47 <frosch123> hmm, though it also spams in game list 21:09:30 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:58 <TrueBrain> I wonder what the fuck he thinks he is doing ... 21:12:09 <TrueBrain> why rotate ports .. why bind 1 server on multiple ports ... 21:12:51 <Nickman87> night all 21:12:58 <TrueBrain> night Nickman87 21:13:17 <Nickman87> I posted an update of my patch if you are interested TrueBrain ;) 21:13:47 <TrueBrain> Nickman87: sorry, I am not :) As I have no clue what you patch would be doing 21:13:50 <TrueBrain> or what you tried to do :) 21:13:56 <Nickman87> :D 21:13:59 <TrueBrain> sorry :) I stopped developing for OpenTTD long ago :) 21:14:08 <Nickman87> yeah, I thought that :) 21:14:26 <OwenS> I'd personally just add an iptables rule blocking his IP address for spamming the server list :p 21:14:26 <Nickman87> You were active when I first came here though :) 21:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: is that like "Washington" can reference two dozen different locations? 21:14:37 <Nickman87> saw your anouncement on the forum :) 21:14:38 <TrueBrain> Nickman87: as I said: long ago :p 21:14:47 <Nickman87> but still hangin around? ;) 21:14:57 <TrueBrain> I run openttd.org currently :) Keeps me busy enough :p 21:15:09 *** sax_ [~sax@88-108-84-235.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:15 <Nickman87> the website you mean? 21:15:24 <Nickman87> not only hosting it 21:15:28 <glx> *websites ;) 21:15:42 <TrueBrain> like centralized user stuff :p 21:15:45 <TrueBrain> compile farm 21:15:47 <TrueBrain> webtranslator 21:15:49 <TrueBrain> you name it :p 21:15:55 <sax_> Hi everyone :) 21:16:14 <TrueBrain> hello sax_ :) 21:16:21 <TrueBrain> Nickman87: oh, and greeting people :p 21:16:46 <sax_> I'm hosting a multiplayer game at the moment, and I want to save it and carry on later... 21:17:26 <TrueBrain> so you should do that :) 21:17:28 <OwenS> You can save and load multiplayer games fine 21:17:34 <sax_> You can? 21:17:36 <sax_> Thanks! 21:17:42 <sax_> The Server page on the wiki is a bit ambiguous. 21:18:02 <frosch123> just passwords are not stored, so after load everyone can join every company 21:18:37 <Nickman87> well, gnight ;) 21:18:39 <sax_> Oh, I see. The page said "it will restart the game in the same way as Start Game and players will then be able to join"... 21:18:50 <sax_> I was worried that meant I'd lose progress. 21:18:58 <sax_> But if it's just companies that's fine. 21:19:14 <sax_> Thanks, TrueBrain, OwenS and Nickman87! 21:19:18 <TrueBrain> yw :) 21:19:25 <TrueBrain> I do expect a cake on monday :) 21:19:33 *** sax_ [~sax@88-108-84-235.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:38 <Nickman87> me? I just read your question... 21:19:38 <Nickman87> :D 21:19:41 <Nickman87> crazy sax... :D 21:19:51 <TrueBrain> now go to bed Nickman87 :p 21:19:53 <TrueBrain> good night :) 21:19:57 <Nickman87> I will momy... 21:19:57 <Nickman87> :D 21:20:03 <TrueBrain> good boy 21:20:12 <frosch123> also night :) 21:20:14 <Nickman87> :D 21:20:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdfb6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:14 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@141.202-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:39 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:38:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8024F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80861.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:40:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:52:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDCB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:22 *** Monarch1st [~here@76-227-101-200.lightspeed.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:37 <Monarch1st> any non-bots here? 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