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05:05:05  <Pikkaa> hmm
05:05:24  <Pikkaa> you can't disable drawing foundations for town buildings? D:
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05:14:27  <Pikka> a cookie for whosoever can make callback 30 work on houses? :)
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05:35:05  <nicfer> ALGUNO AWAKEN?
05:35:58  <nicfer> anyone awaken*
05:36:05  <Pikka> nope
05:37:03  <nicfer> oh, I see
05:38:22  <nicfer> is the default trainset too unbalanced?
05:40:59  <Pikka> too unbalanced for what?
05:44:29  <Tefad> maglev ftw?
05:46:23  <nicfer> yup, maglev and mono come too late and regular rail doesn't improve
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06:42:10  <Rubidium> Pikka: major question is what callback ID to use
06:44:22  <Ammler> \o/ rpm works now with CentOS, Fedora, RHEL, SLE and openSUSE. :-)
06:44:44  <Ammler> (it doesn't with Mandriva)
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06:47:42  <Pikka> Rubidium: 30? :P
06:48:30  <Rubidium> Pikka: but why are there up to 3 callback IDs for things like starting animation?
06:48:47  <Rubidium> gives me the feeling TTDP needs them to be different or so
06:49:36  <Pikka> o
06:50:23  <Rubidium> besides that the following patch http://rbijker.net/openttd/would_probably_do_the_trick.diff
06:51:01  <Rubidium> just need DaleStan or some other NewGRF guru to tell me what ID to use
06:51:12  <DaleStan> I'm pretty sure TTDPatch doesn't need different IDs for different features. It just stuffs a number into [curcallback] and calls getsprite.
06:51:30  <DaleStan> And sets the feature somewhere; I've forgotten that detail.
06:51:45  <Pikka> I think yexo used 14E...
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06:53:04  <DaleStan> Same-ID-for-same-task definitely has its benefits, but it's not the current convention.
06:55:42  * DaleStan -> bed
06:56:01  <Rubidium> hmm, so just reuse 30?
06:56:05  <Rubidium> night DaleStan
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07:08:20  <Terkhen> good morning
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07:12:42  <Pikkaa> since you put it that way... goodbye! :o
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09:36:38  <Rubidium> what a boring morning it is :(
09:37:20  <Muxy> go back to bed
09:37:58  <Muxy> start an openttd server
09:43:50  <Vikthor> as if there wasn't enough of them
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10:45:39  <dihedral> <Vikthor> as if there wasn't enough of them <- then start playing multiplayer for a change :-P
10:47:31  <Vikthor> hmm I should stop the old cargodist server
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12:20:43  <Eddi|zuHause> why does my brain automatically associate "occup?" with a toilet?
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12:21:05  <Eddi|zuHause> it does not do that with "occupied"
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12:37:39  * Muxy is back (gone 01:47:34)
12:38:06  <Eddi|zuHause> Muxy: you should urgently stop these.
12:38:26  <Muxy> hum stio what plz ?
12:38:37  <Muxy> grumpf, stop what plz ?
12:38:39  <Eddi|zuHause> the away messages
12:38:42  <KingJ> [13:37] * Muxy is back (gone 01:47:34)
12:38:43  <KingJ> That
12:39:46  <Muxy> ok uncheck the rigts check boxes, sory for disturbance and Goulp Kiss
12:40:05  <Muxy> *unchecked...
12:40:26  <Eddi|zuHause> don't fix your typing mistakes... it'll take ages :p
12:41:04  <Muxy> yeap i can see that... the longer i write...
12:41:36  <Muxy> better is to stop talking... :p
12:42:26  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is there someone who could donate me a wireless mouse?
12:43:23  <Muxy> i have 2 of them, but they dont work any more
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12:45:22  <planetmaker> Muxy, he didn't ask for a working mouse...
12:46:17  * Ammler doesn't like to feed wireless mouses.
12:46:48  <Prof_Frink> That's why your hamster died.
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12:46:58  <Ammler> true :'-(
12:47:58  <Muxy> PlanetMaker, that's why i talk about mines who dont work
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12:48:30  <Fuco> hey Ammler, did you check out my AP+ 'fix'?
12:48:32  <planetmaker> yeah. Usually mines don't work. They're worked upon
12:48:40  <planetmaker> </nitpick> :-P
12:48:43  <Ammler> Fuco: already installed
12:48:50  <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Or stepped on
12:48:59  <Ammler> but not finished, rcon and callback support is missing ;-)
12:49:03  <planetmaker> or driven on or worked in.
12:49:21  <Fuco> rcon from ps?
12:49:40  <Eddi|zuHause> mines get more effective with the invention of railroads
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13:32:27  <Akoz> @calc exp(1)
13:32:27  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 2.71828182846
13:32:29  <Akoz> @calc exp(100)
13:32:29  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 26881171418161356094253400435962903554686976
13:33:41  <Akoz> @calc exp(-100)
13:33:41  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 0
13:33:47  <Muxy> @cal 1/0
13:33:52  <Muxy> @calc 1/0
13:33:52  <DorpsGek> Muxy: Error: float division
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14:04:29  <Belugas> hello
14:05:02  <Muxy> Goulp Kiss
14:11:22  <Belugas> Salut Muxy
14:11:34  <Muxy> "Bonjour Belugas"
14:15:32  <Aankhen``> Salut Muxy.
14:15:52  <Eddi|zuHause> *peng*
14:16:05  <Belugas> Salut Eddi|zuHause
14:16:16  <Belugas> Salut Aankhen``
14:16:25  <Aankhen``> Salut Belugas. :-)
14:16:37  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: btw. i really don't understand why you didn't like that song ;) it clearly is a fan favourite over here ;)
14:16:44  <Aankhen``> for (i in #openttd) { say "Salut $i" }
14:16:57  <Muxy> Salut Aankehn``
14:17:10  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, let say that... i'm not too much in "fanfar" :)
14:17:46  <Muxy> it's "le fan club" of "francophone Open TTD" players
14:18:21  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: anyone seriously playing that song would understand "fanfar" as insult :p
14:19:16  <Eddi|zuHause> but seriously, that is the most frequently requested song when we play anywhere...
14:20:03  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, or we do not agree on definition of "fanfar" or i did not heard the same song that you pointed me to
14:20:41  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you did hear the right song ;)
14:20:48  <Belugas> Muxy, je crois qu'il y a plus de francophones ici qu'on ne le penses.  Juste qu'on a la sacro sainte regle de l'anglais seulement...
14:21:04  <Belugas> a la quelle je ne suis pas oppose..
14:21:28  <Muxy> me neither
14:21:43  <Muxy> so do me (c)
14:22:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i read that as "i believe there are more french speaking people here than you think, just the 'sacred rule' enforces english only, which i am fine with"
14:23:08  <Belugas> congrats, Eddi|zuHause :)
14:23:10  <Muxy> no, he said he has no opposite
14:23:24  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's a little freely translated ;)
14:23:37  <Muxy> but the idea is ok
14:24:14  <Muxy> and also "la sacro sainte regle" is "the sacred holly rule"
14:24:50  <Belugas> -l
14:24:53  <Belugas> holy
14:24:59  <Muxy> oups sory
14:25:03  <Belugas> +r
14:25:06  <Belugas> sorry
14:25:07  <Eddi|zuHause> isn't "sacred" and "holy" the same thing?
14:25:08  <Belugas> buwhahahahaha
14:25:15  <Muxy> no
14:25:56  <Belugas> related, Eddi|zuHause, i think, but not same, i think
14:26:39  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the nuances don't translate well...
14:27:13  <Eddi|zuHause> but i have never heard "sacred" and "holy" used simultaneously
14:27:38  <Muxy> just few minutes ago
14:28:26  <Muxy> you can be sacred without beeing holy
14:29:08  <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, it might just be lost in translation
14:29:27  <Eddi|zuHause> neither french nor english are my native language
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15:34:33  <Eddi|zuHause> so... i'm going away over the weekend...
15:34:46  <Eddi|zuHause> with no internets...
15:35:38  <petern> OH MY GOD
15:36:00  <Aankhen``> THE HORROR, THE HORROR!
15:36:09  * petern ponders banning all use of this stupid term 'internets'
15:36:20  <Aankhen``> What do you have against it?
15:36:26  <petern> it's stupid
15:36:37  <Aankhen``> It's a funny way to add some variety.
15:36:55  <petern> it's not variety if everyone does it
15:37:31  <Aankhen``> Yes it is.  The people you interact with on the Internet are a tiny subset of the total population.
15:37:48  <Aankhen``> Hmm, poorly phrased.  Better version of the first sentence: everyone doesn't do it.
15:38:42  <Belugas> there is only one internet.  it's THE internet.  If everyone is doing a mistake, does it means that in the end it's becoming the right thing to say?
15:38:45  <petern> the first version is at least grammatically correct
15:39:09  <Aankhen``> First version of?
15:39:23  <Aankhen``> The sentence?  The second was correct as well.
15:39:30  <petern> "everyone doesn't do it" does not make sense
15:39:33  <Aankhen``> It's just grammatically ambiguous, like a lot of useful English sentences.
15:39:40  <Eddi|zuHause> fine, i say "intertubes" then
15:39:57  <petern> "not everyone does it" does make sense
15:40:10  <petern> your versions means that "everyone" "does not" "do it"
15:40:14  <petern> -s
15:40:16  <petern> Eddi|zuHause, better ;)
15:40:19  <Aankhen``> It can be parsed both ways.
15:40:27  <Aankhen``> But your version is indeed better.
15:40:29  <Aankhen``> So point taken.
15:40:48  <petern> both? that's the only way
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15:42:56  <petern> Belugas, two wrongs make a right, only if you're playing music ;)
15:42:58  <Aankhen``> petern: Hmm, some research shows you're right.  Fair enough.
15:52:17  <Belugas> or keep on playing the wrong notes until they become right :)
15:52:56  <petern> at least, when you're playing it
15:53:00  <petern> but not when you play it back :s
15:53:05  <petern> never mind
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16:04:10  <Belugas> i know what you mean, don't worry :)
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16:31:25  <Belugas> how nice...   2 days of certification, with the examinator on site with me, and it failed because they did not injected the right version of the firmware in the pinpad...
16:31:33  <Belugas> nice job guys, nice job...
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17:10:30  <Lakie> Hmm... Belugas / Devs. With Bananas I don't suppose OpenTTD would have the option to download a missing grf file assuming that its on bananas (same version) when joining or give the option to?
17:11:36  <Rubidium> Lakie: you tried clicking on 'newgrf settings', 'find online content', 'select all' and 'download' (in that order)?
17:13:39  <Lakie> Nope, I was just wondering if it had been linked up like that
17:13:44  <Lakie> Thanks
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17:18:18  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r17500 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_controller.cpp ai_object.cpp ai_object.hpp): -Fix (r16502): The wrong value was restored to SetAllowDoCommand possible resulting in an AI that wasn't allowed to do any actions
17:27:20  <Sacro> ooh a nice number
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17:28:42  <Alberth> you have until the next commit to admire the number
17:29:00  <Alberth> (in about 15 minutes probably)
17:29:20  <Prof_Frink> All hail the Number!
17:33:15  * Alberth doesn't think 100010001011100 is special.
17:36:55  <MyCatVerbs> ? Binary solo!
17:37:15  <Sacro> we used poisonous gasses and we poisoned their asses
17:40:11  <Belugas> hmm?
17:40:18  <Belugas> ho... good
17:40:22  * Belugas goes back to sleep
17:45:25  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17501 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt traditional_chinese.txt):
17:45:25  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:25  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 20 changes by arnau
17:45:25  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 19 changes by josesun
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18:53:09  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17502 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp osk_gui.cpp querystring_gui.h): -Codechange [FS#3184]: Extend QueryStringBaseWindow to support windows with nested widgets (by Terkhen with a few tweaks).
18:54:45  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17503 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Fix (r17502): Save all files before commit.
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18:57:40  <Terkhen> hello
18:57:48  <Alberth> hai
18:59:02  <Terkhen> Alberth: I hope you didn't had to do much tweaking :)
19:00:08  <Alberth> nah, mainly ordered the SetFocusedWidget code by widget type rather than by computation step.
19:02:24  <Terkhen> yes, it looks much cleaner now
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19:10:56  <Zuu> In the development version of PAXLink there was two bugs. The first bug limited the number of vehicles it could buy at a time to only one. The second bug was that the AI didn't keep track of the usage of airports. So it slowly bought to many airplanes. Now I first fixed the first bug and in a loaded game where it had 4 bilion it could spend 1.6 bilion a year on new aircrafts. :-) But now also the second bug is fixed so it won
19:10:56  <Zuu> 't spend all its money on tons of aircrafts. :-)
19:12:19  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17504 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: un-inlining SetFocusedWidget() as it is not often used.
19:12:25  <Prof_Frink> Zuu: Does it build small aircraft for small airports, or do you end up with a massacre like wrighty tends to?
19:12:46  <Zuu> It doesn't build big aircrafts on small airports.
19:13:10  <Zuu> It used to, but stopt doing that a few versions ago.
19:18:07  <Yexo> Prof_Frink: does wrightai still do that? I seem to remember I fixed that quite a long time ago
19:19:31  <Yexo> hmm, there is indeed no check for that
19:19:45  <Yexo> oh well, it's only an example AI anyway
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19:26:56  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17505 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: WWT_EMPTY is not a special case any more for invalidating widgets.
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19:31:34  <Prof_Frink> Yexo: I last played with them ages ago.
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19:55:10  <Sacro> http://cheeseorfont.mogrify.org/
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21:04:21  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
21:05:36  <Belugas> night all
21:05:59  <Nite_Owl> later Belugas
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21:39:22  <ctibor> Hi, I have created rather big grf sets in my openttd.cfg, switching to some of them crashes openttd with error:Error: File 'pikkindw.grf' lost in cache. or similar depending on the grf first listed in the set. What is the cause and how to get rid of it?
21:41:48  <frosch123> did you move some files?
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21:42:25  <frosch123> while ottd is running
21:42:42  <ctibor> Nope
21:43:13  <ctibor> unless openttd moves them itself, which  I doubt
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21:44:28  <ctibor> is it possible that some of the files are donwloaded through the openttd online content and thus they reside in different folder than others I got manualy?
21:44:48  <Nite_Owl> yes
21:44:54  * ctibor can't make normal sentence...
21:45:22  <ctibor> and could that be problem?
21:45:43  <ctibor> should move them all to data instead of donwload_content/data?
21:45:53  <Nite_Owl> it should not be a problem
21:46:28  <frosch123> paste.openttd.org <- ctibor: can you put your openttd.cfg there (the relevant part)
21:48:56  <ctibor> http://pastebin.com/m7c2a4803 - ok, heres how the grf set looks like
21:49:38  <ctibor> And I get this error when I try to switch to it in the main game menu
21:49:39  <ctibor> Error: File 'db_double_deck_coaches.v0.1/dbddw.grf' lost in cache.
21:51:51  <frosch123> when do you get that error, when selecting the preset? when starting a game?
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21:53:06  <ctibor> selecting the preser
21:53:11  <ctibor> *preset
21:54:51  <ctibor> however if i put it to [newgrf] it crashes before it loads the main menu
21:55:16  <Terkhen> good night
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21:56:07  <ctibor> what's the newgrf static section for?
21:56:52  <frosch123> some newgrfs are static safe, that means you can activate them on the client and join a multiplayer server which does not use it
21:57:08  <frosch123> e.g. landscape sets, which have no influence on the gamestate
21:57:56  <frosch123> however, i cannot reproduce your problem on my side
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21:59:00  <frosch123> though, you have quite a lot of grfs there, does it work if you only use 5 or so?
22:00:02  <Ammler> the order is bad, either.
22:00:17  <Ammler> the more important a grf the more down it should be.
22:00:33  <Ammler> i.e. vehicels at bottom
22:00:52  <Ammler> landscape at top
22:01:05  <frosch123> Ammler: what makes you think that is important?
22:01:21  <Ammler> he :-)
22:01:44  <ctibor> well striping down helps, i think I should not create huge monster sets than :-)
22:02:48  <Ammler> frosch123: maybe that is a old behaviour from TTDPatch usage :-)
22:03:00  <Ammler> as you did overwrite
22:03:21  <Ammler> well, in some parts you still do with openttd.
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22:04:21  <frosch123> when did a vehicle grf override a landscape grfs?
22:04:39  <frosch123> except the stupid monolithic things like canse
22:04:52  <Ammler> well, that is the order
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22:05:10  <Ammler> houses, industries, infra is between
22:05:19  <Ammler> infra does overwrite land
22:05:38  <Ammler> vehicle sets do overwrite infra
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22:06:29  * frosch123 ponders disabling grfs that use more than one feature
22:06:58  <Ammler> well, I also complained about that.
22:07:07  <Ammler> like the usroad sets with the roadcars
22:07:26  <Ammler> or how they are called, at least he added a parameter to disable.
22:07:59  <Zuu> maybe they are street cars aka trams
22:08:06  <Ammler> maybe he missunderstood set
22:08:21  <Ammler> Zuu: yes.
22:08:52  <Ammler> but I had best experience with the order from our pack.
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22:10:07  <Ammler> TTRS is also evil
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22:11:00  <ctibor> Well I found the solution... I had included OpenGFX to the set, but it is also configured in the game settings and it was being loaded twice, I think
22:22:07  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17506 /trunk/src/ (smallmap_gui.cpp viewport.cpp): -Fix [FS#3191]: signs partly drawn out of the rectangle in 4/8x zoom out.
22:27:30  <frosch123> well, for me it only says "maximum number of GRFs has been reached", no crashing
22:29:40  <ctibor> well for me both trunk and 0.7.2 says the error I posted
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22:32:52  <Rubidium> can you provide a log with -d 9 including the error?
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22:35:59  <Nite_Owl> check your list of grf's again - you have both ECS and Pikka's industries in there - do they not conflict ??
22:37:17  <Rubidium> conflicting NewGRFs shouldn't crash OpenTTD
22:38:36  <ctibor> Rubidium: working on the log, it's huge, wget paste is having hard time :-)
22:40:06  <ctibor> Nite_Owl: Doesn't seem so, but haven't made any tests so far, because I just created the sets and was stopped by the "lost in cache" err
22:41:06  <ctibor> Rubidium: Well the log is indeed very huge, about 70 MB, i think this is not  suitable for upload...
22:42:03  <Rubidium> what with -d grf=2?
22:42:11  <Rubidium> might not give enough information though :(
22:47:30  <Yexo> Rubidium: previously you suggested "-d 9" and now "-d grf=2", maybe "-d grf=9" could work?
22:48:07  <Rubidium> Yexo: unlikely, if it crashes at start, most of the spam is from parsing the NewGRFs for the first time
22:48:18  <Rubidium> and he probably has hundreds of them lingering around
22:48:27  <Yexo> ah, ok
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22:50:47  <ctibor> Rubidium: I'll upload the full debug to the ftp, but it will be slow to download I think
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22:51:35  <Rubidium> slow download doesn't bother me, as long as you upload finishes 'soon'
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23:18:44  <ctibor> Rubidium: try ftp://ftp:ftp@77.48.228.43/openttd.log , but I am not 100% sure it will work :-)
23:19:36  <ctibor> If it won't I'll hang up later and deliver the log the other way...
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23:24:08  <frosch123> rb went to bed, but i cannot dl it either :(
23:25:25  <frosch123> ftp logs in, but then cannot enter passive mode
23:26:43  <frosch123> ah, active works
23:27:02  <ctibor> yeah, now I don't have energy to reconfigure ftpd, will look at it tomorow and give you ring about it here..
23:27:06  <ctibor> good night :-)
23:30:37  <frosch123> transfer finished :)
23:31:09  <ctibor> very well then
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23:38:18  <frosch123> oh, you have 0.5-style non-newgrf-grfs
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23:40:19  <frosch123> maybe when loading them is aborted something is not cleaned up properly
23:40:30  <frosch123> well, but, good night from me
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