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00:00:45 <fonsinchen1> OK, I'll get some sleep now. Good night 00:01:48 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEff00.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:38 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb390.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:31 <mynetdude> is there any way to upgrade the existing airport without tearing it down? 00:18:56 <mynetdude> like build on top of it? I wan to build a larger airport but to do that would mean to build it on the other side of the city 00:19:24 <mynetdude> I want to keep it connected to any rail stations as well 00:25:12 <Sitethief> just demolish the current one and build a new one? whats the problem? 00:25:32 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db877b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:46 <mynetdude> $$ 00:26:00 <mynetdude> it doesn't say how much it is... and if my city will not permit a new one to be built then I'm screwed 00:26:15 <Sitethief> press shift while building 00:26:41 <Sitethief> and you can check the city status, if its anything above medirocre (iirc) it won't be a problem 00:26:49 <mynetdude> what will that do? 00:27:10 <mynetdude> ah ok 00:27:39 <mynetdude> what does the shift do while buidling? 00:27:48 <Sitethief> shift shows you buildign cost without building it 00:28:00 <Sitethief> afaik 00:29:27 <mynetdude> hmm ok 00:31:10 <Sitethief> np 00:31:15 *** Sitethief is now known as Sitethief{afk} 00:35:46 <mynetdude> ty :) 00:36:04 <mynetdude> just have to do it when nothing is around and reroute planes to the new field 00:39:32 <Sitethief{afk}> why reroute them? place the new airfield on top of the old and its will keep the same name, no planes need to be rerouted 00:44:35 <Sitethief{afk}> mynetdude? 00:47:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:53:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:13 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 00:56:54 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:03:10 <mynetdude> Sitethief{afk} because you can't build on top of buildings? 01:03:30 <Sitethief{afk}> demolish the old one,a build the new one at the same spot, its gonna have the same name 01:03:32 <mynetdude> that is what I tried to do, but you have to demolish the old one first? 01:03:39 <mynetdude> oh 01:07:12 <mynetdude> well I got bored of the game, saved it for later 01:09:00 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-73.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:10:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.31.126] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 01:11:49 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226155023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:13:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17812 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h): -Codechange: move the feeder_share cache from CargoList to VehicleCargoList; saves 512 bytes per station and 1-2% on CargoList::MoveTo. 01:13:47 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 01:20:05 <break19> I wish you could "expand airports" that way.. build a new on top.. If the airport is extremely busy, it may be damn near impossible to demolish the old one, as there will always be a plane at it.. 01:20:33 <Rubidium> well... airports can't be expanded anyway when there's a plane on it 01:20:49 <Rubidium> so it wouldn't solve your 'there needs to be no plane on it' problem at all 01:21:33 <break19> Rubidium: you're quite right, obviously, but there needs to be a way to put airports into "no landings" mode, happens all the time in the real world.. 01:22:33 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:40 <break19> add an element to the airfield, possibly at the tower, it pops up a window with a "Service Airfield" button. click it, the airfield can no longer accept landings, any aircraft currently loading can finish loading and takeoff. 01:24:01 <break19> then, when the airport is empty, demo/rebuild/etc 01:24:49 <break19> afk again 01:27:12 <Sitethief{afk}> just link all the plane routing together, send them all to one airfield, demolish, build new, reinstae old route, done 01:28:07 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 01:31:23 *** break19 [~kvirc@c-69-243-225-134.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090924, built on: 2009-10-14 09:11:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:52:17 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:42 <Pikka> <Rubidium> well... airports can't be expanded anyway when there's a plane on it <- they could be according to my spec :P 02:15:29 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:35 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-73.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:50:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b16a:7e6f:1718:9e49] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:55:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:01 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 04:00:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:39:34 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 04:45:30 *** Protagonist [~ss@p54A8E9BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db877d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:19 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:43:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 05:56:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04:00 *** hickop [~hickop@AGrenoble-257-1-44-135.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:10:05 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-48-127.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:11:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:30:19 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-48-127.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 06:30:19 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 06:35:31 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 06:43:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 07:02:35 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-48-127.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:02:50 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.183] has joined #openttd 07:02:53 <Terkhen> good morning 07:02:59 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 07:23:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 07:24:12 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 07:26:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B068F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B19F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:46:49 *** Sitethief{afk} [~sitethief@sitethief.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B19F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:25 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:00:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1739.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:00:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:12:09 <boekabart> tried everything, search forum... no solution for 'svn: Repository moved permanently to 'http://secure.openttd.org/svn/'; please relocate' 08:12:21 <boekabart> svn info : https://secure.openttd.org/svn/trunk 08:14:03 <boekabart> only for some subfolders, like src\video\cocoa 08:21:56 <boekabart> happens when svn upping from 11127 to 11500 08:26:49 <TrueBrain> boekabart: remove those subfolders and run svn update again? 08:27:22 <boekabart> doesn't help 08:27:32 <boekabart> same happens when snv upping for HEAD to 11127 08:28:29 <TrueBrain> the problem is like this: you send secure.openttd.org, it is reached by a proxy, it is send to the Apache2 WebDAV, which handles the request 08:28:57 <TrueBrain> now this is not the problem of course, but it is this: all URLs are rewritten to make the Apache2 WebDAV understand what is going on (it is not running on port 80, and else he doesn't understand the request) 08:29:01 <boekabart> https specific problem? 08:29:23 <TrueBrain> certain SVN WebDAV aspects have a secondary link, like 'COPY' and 'MOVE'. This is not rewritten. Here is where Apache2 freaks out and aborts the connection 08:29:33 <TrueBrain> (in results your client gives a bogus error) 08:29:52 <TrueBrain> we tried rewritting the url, it fails .. Apache2 wants something which is impossible to give to him 08:30:08 <TrueBrain> short: Apache2 WebDAV is broken to be used AFTER a proxy 08:30:15 <TrueBrain> so http/https specific, yes 08:30:27 <TrueBrain> what mostly helps for me is to checkout a complete new version 08:30:34 <boekabart> yes, that does help 08:30:35 <TrueBrain> it only happens with 'moves' and 'copies' 08:30:54 <boekabart> but i'm trying to 'upgrade' a patch 08:31:06 <TrueBrain> I understand .. temporary use 'svn://'? :) 08:31:19 <boekabart> svn+ssh would work 08:31:26 <TrueBrain> you don't have a ssh account :p 08:31:28 <boekabart> svn not due to network limitations 08:33:01 <TrueBrain> the NoAI projects notice this problem the most, as they can only access their repos over http/https. I don't really have a solution ... 08:33:18 <TrueBrain> svn diff > temp.patch && svn -R revert . && svn update && patch -p0 < temp.patch :p 08:33:23 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:23 *** boekabart is now known as Guest1598 08:33:23 *** boekabart_ is now known as boekabart 08:34:04 <TrueBrain> oh, and additional to the above problem, internally nothing is https, so Apache also wines that the incoming connection is a http, and the 2nd url in the header is https :p 08:34:27 <boekabart> so http might work better? In that case I could try a proxy 08:34:37 <TrueBrain> you can try, but last time it gave problems too 08:35:58 <TrueBrain> I guess I can try to install http://sethd.org/Site/SubversionProxyFix.html 08:36:02 <Ammler> or hg/git.... 08:37:06 <boekabart> Ammler: does hg up do merging as well as svn? (better is also OK) 08:38:34 <Ammler> he, don't have real experience to make a statement :-) 08:40:28 *** Guest1598 [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:03 <TrueBrain> boekabart: does it work now? 08:44:04 <boekabart> A media\palette.act svn: Repository moved permanently to 'http://secure.openttd.org/svn/'; please relocate 08:44:14 <TrueBrain> Provider encountered an error while streaming a REPORT response. [500, #0] 08:44:18 <TrueBrain> I love 'clear' errors :) 08:44:35 <boekabart> i'll be back in an hour 08:45:03 <boekabart> hey, http is OK by the way, it seems 08:50:03 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 08:50:07 <TrueBrain> then that will be our solution for now, as it fails on REPORT, which is very weird 08:50:13 <TrueBrain> and I have to go .. maybe I will look at it another day :) 08:50:24 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:51:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.102] has joined #openttd 08:56:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.183.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:14 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:11:51 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db033ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17813 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the CargoPacket related coding style 09:26:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEff00.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:43 <fonsinchen> good morning 09:32:00 <Muxy> g'day fon 09:34:18 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: Are you going to accept my proposal about different containers for station and vehicle cargo lists? If yes, you're going to run into problems if you use the CargoList instances as template parameter. You can't use a template parameter's typedefs in the templated class in C++. But maybe I'm wrong and you have a different idea there. Could you elaborate some? 09:35:36 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: http://rbijker.net/openttd/idea.diff works (for me at least) 09:37:35 <fonsinchen> OK, that works because it has a second tparam. I still don't see the necessity, but I can live with that. 09:41:38 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-48-127.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 09:55:35 <Rubidium> did you know that 50% of CPU time of MoveTo is spent in splitting cargo packets? 09:59:43 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: for the 'moving' of feeder_share the Tinst is needed 10:00:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:02:49 <fonsinchen> Why don't you make RemoveFromCache and AddToCache virtual? Then you don't need the second tparam. And why is the splitting so expensive? Because of the memory allocation? Shouldn't the pool handle that? 10:04:02 <Rubidium> making RemoveFromCache/AddToCache virtual made it slower :( 10:04:45 <Rubidium> the new pool does malloc/free, which isn't bad in general but for cargopackets that are quite short lived it might be troublesome 10:05:15 <fonsinchen> Ah, I thought it had a buffer and did placement new 10:05:46 <Rubidium> on the other hand, improving the 2000 CPU cycles to 20 CPU cycle would yield 1ms per 2 seconds 10:06:01 <Rubidium> which is basically negligable 10:06:09 <fonsinchen> This might be a better idea in case of cargopackets. Also the zeroing can be dropped as all the members are initialized by the constructor anyway. 10:07:12 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:22 <fonsinchen> How bad is the effect of virtual AddTo/RemoveFromCache? Basically it has to do vtable lookups, but the class hierarchy is rather shallow so that shouldn't take too long. 10:09:27 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:09:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:10:07 <Rubidium> a few % IIRC 10:12:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1739.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:46 <fonsinchen> And of course the time spent in (the old) Append, also when called from MoveTo, depends on the number of different cargopackets in the list. With cargodist and at stations with lots of transfers that number grows. 10:14:17 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.232.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B138F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:23:08 <Rubidium> with static_cast is MoveTo is 2-3% faster 10:29:26 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.232.221] has joined #openttd 10:32:57 <Rubidium> Append (with non-virtual) is 2-8% faster than Append with virtual functions 10:33:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226155023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:40 <fonsinchen> The question is if that's a station with a single cargopacket (like 90% of the stations without cargodist) or if it's a station with transfers. 10:36:34 <Rubidium> it's quite an old savegame with a few transfers, but lots of transported cargo 10:38:35 <Rubidium> so caching is quite a big portion of the relative time spent 10:38:37 <fonsinchen> The number of cargopackets only explodes if you have a lot of transfers. Otherwise there is only the cargo generated at the station itself and that is always merged into a single packet. When loading onto a vehicle there is typically also only one packet then. 10:41:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:23 <Rubidium> so... ottdcoop people... what's the latest *massive* trunk savegame of you that used transfers quite a lot? 10:48:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:40 <fonsinchen> Public Server #154 has some transfers 11:03:51 <fonsinchen> and it's horribly slow 11:04:06 <Rubidium> ottdcoop prozone5 gives me: 17% speed increase in append over virtual AddCache/RemoveCache and 2% for MoveTo 11:05:30 <fonsinchen> So, then let's stop discussing the virtual Add/RemoveCache. You are right there. 11:06:03 <fonsinchen> For now 11:06:23 <Rubidium> hmm.. ps154 does way more :) 11:06:37 <Rubidium> w.r.t. cargolists 11:06:40 <fonsinchen> I will come up with it again, when the overall number of packets has been reduced by changing the containers. 11:07:07 <fonsinchen> s/packets/packets that need to be checked in Append/ 11:07:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't the template vs virtual part the entire reason why YAPF is way faster than NPF? 11:07:54 <Rubidium> but reducing the number of packets to check implies that the relative weight of the cache updates gets higher 11:08:46 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db033ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:00 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db033ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:14:24 <Rubidium> for PS154: 2% faster MoveTo, 5% faster Append 11:20:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:20:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:29:49 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@184.314.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:51 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:41:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.31.126] has joined #openttd 11:42:22 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:46 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 11:46:12 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.183] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:56:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a142:8610:558d:342f] has joined #openttd 11:56:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA802.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:45:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D9F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:52 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:47:15 * boekabart misses a 'rating' system in the in-game content download system 12:47:21 <boekabart> ... for AI's mainly 12:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, indicators for maturity level and difficulty level... 12:56:00 <boekabart> I suppose it's up to the creator/publisher whether a certain newgrf is in there or not? 12:56:13 <boekabart> like dutch trains, catenary and stuff missing, author's choice? 12:56:46 <SpComb> one shouldn't upload stuff that isn't ones own, no 12:56:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the terms of use say, only an author can upload stuff 12:56:54 <Ammler> the download statistic isn't very helpful 12:57:08 <SpComb> perhaps the author hasn't been bothered to, perhaps they don't want to 12:57:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know who's the author of dutch catenary 12:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe he doesn't even know? 12:57:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.134.211] has joined #openttd 12:57:48 <Ammler> boekabart: just ask in the threads, if there are enough requests, maybe they do :-) 12:58:42 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF_Table would tell you ;-) 12:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause> why would i bother finding out? 12:59:20 <Brianetta> Xeryus, are you here? 12:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i already have the file... i'm not really interested in getting it... 12:59:56 *** duckedtapedemon [~quassel@76.92.236.189] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 13:00:08 <Rubidium> how would download statistics ever be useful? 13:00:43 <Rubidium> Brianetta: given that he's disconnected from his bouncer, very slim chance 13:01:59 <Brianetta> I know he's on a train right now, I was hoping he was using the free wifi 13:02:32 <SpComb> call him and tell him! 13:02:46 <Brianetta> Since calling or texting his Dutch mobile is really expensive 13:03:33 <Brianetta> I mean REALLY 13:03:39 <Rubidium> and the 'fun' is, it's equally expensive for him to receive it 13:04:26 <Brianetta> He should pick us a UK sim 13:04:53 <Rubidium> how long is he going to be in the UK and is he going to call/be called 13:05:46 <Rubidium> no idea how expensive and how much trouble it is to get a sim in the UK 13:06:51 <Belugas> hello 13:07:52 <Rubidium> e.g. for Japan you need to be a resident to be able to buy a phone with prepaid sim (they don't sell them separately) 13:09:07 <boekabart> Download stats aren't useful, but download rating might be 13:09:19 <boekabart> s/download rating/user rating 13:09:38 * boekabart misses skype's ctrl-up to repair a typo 13:09:48 <boekabart> irc feature request :) 13:10:20 * boekabart also concludes that updating his deepwater patch is virtually impossible - close to a remake 13:10:40 <boekabart> devs, pls stop changing the code so much! 13:11:59 * Belugas keeps on obeying to Sir boekabart 13:13:21 <boekabart> Belugas: don't abuse my remark as an excuse to be lazy 13:19:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:50 <Belugas> lazy... humm.... 13:20:52 <Belugas> right... 13:20:57 <Belugas> i am indeed... 13:23:18 <boekabart> your last commit, 10 weeks old :) 13:23:29 <boekabart> that's older than my son :D 13:24:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:28:51 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 13:30:25 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@78.51.50.83] has joined #openttd 13:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> then you sound like you have all night to code ;) 13:34:14 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE3A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:20 <Belugas> toum te doum 13:37:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226155023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:54 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:46:50 <boekabart> Eddi|zuHause: me? i wish 13:47:30 *** `Fuco`OFF [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:49:59 <Belugas> someone sends out his wife when baby is crying... 13:50:00 <Belugas> hehehe 13:52:08 *** `Fuco`OFF [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:34 *** `Fuco`OFF [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:53:36 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:32 *** `Fuco`OFF is now known as FUco 13:56:40 *** FUco is now known as Fuco 13:57:54 <hickop> is there a trick to increase "transported" value of industries or its random ? 13:58:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the "transported" value corresponds to the average station rating 13:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> strategies to increase station rating are around buried somewhere in the wiki 13:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the easiest ones are "have always a train waiting" and "build a statue in the nearby town" 14:06:02 *** hickop [~hickop@AGrenoble-257-1-44-135.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:56 *** hickop [~hickop@AGrenoble-257-1-44-135.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:13:57 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db033ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db033ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:45 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-37.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:20:36 <boekabart> water_map.h line 151 MakeWater(...) _really_ should be called MakeSea(...) 14:20:43 <boekabart> imho 14:21:04 <boekabart> IsSea, IsCanal, IsRiver but MakeWater, MakeCanal, MakeRiver 14:22:30 <Belugas> awter been a general description maybe? dunno... could be 14:23:34 <boekabart> nope, look at it: really makes SEA 14:24:06 <boekabart> ' _m[t].m3 = WATER_CLASS_SEA; ' 14:25:21 <andythenorth> apparently boats in TTDPatch can have different travel speeds for canals / open sea 14:25:25 <andythenorth> kind of interesting no? 14:25:34 <andythenorth> Or maybe a bit too much realism? 14:33:19 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@17.146.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:36:27 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@17.146.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:54 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@17.146.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.134.211] has quit [Quit: jmIrc-m v0.34a by Archangel (http://jmirc-m.net.ru/en/)] 14:41:22 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[~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:01:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:12:59 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-48-127.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:24:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.9.231.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:49 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.128.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:45 <frosch123> Sacro: stop sending spam to openttd addresses 18:38:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.9.231.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:42:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEff00.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:52 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 18:47:17 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:55 *** boekabart [~boekabart@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:04:43 <Sacro> frosch123: what? 19:05:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.9.231.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:43 <frosch123> sorry, i have some danish decease 19:06:07 <Sacro> eh? 19:06:11 <Sacro> you're from denmark too eh 19:06:16 <Sacro> !seen Bjarni 19:06:24 <Sacro> @Bjarni 19:06:26 <Sacro> argh 19:06:30 <Sacro> @seen Bjrani 19:06:30 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen Bjrani. 19:06:32 <Sacro> >< 19:06:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:47 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 19:06:47 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P 19:06:50 <frosch123> you also have some decease, right? 19:06:54 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:15 <Pikkaa> frosch123: disease 19:07:56 <frosch123> hmm, they are quite close, aren't they? 19:08:38 <andythenorth> evening 19:08:40 <Pikkaa> ish :) 19:08:44 <Pikkaa> gday andy 19:08:49 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-48-127.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:39 <Belugas> mmh? 19:11:49 <Belugas> ho... 19:11:54 <Belugas> pfffff 19:13:25 <andythenorth> morning Pikka 19:14:50 <andythenorth> @seen Roujin 19:14:50 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Roujin was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Roujin> ...and demand everything spoon-fed to them. Anyway, it seems you're not in a helpful mood, so I'll not bother you anymore... :/ 19:15:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.186.163] has joined #openttd 19:17:53 <Sacro> http://www.b3ta.com/links/Baby_falls_under_a_train D: 19:20:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:30 <Pikkaa> old, Sacro :P 19:25:53 <Pikkaa> doubly old! 19:26:13 * Pikkaa hmms @ this graph 19:26:36 <Sacro> Pikkaa: whyyyyy a class 58 XD 19:26:42 <Sacro> i mean seriosuly 19:27:01 <Sacro> the only fondness i have for them is due to the HO guage modeli hav 19:27:25 <Pikkaa> what's wrong with a class 58? 19:27:40 <Sacro> they were terribel 19:28:00 <Pikkaa> psht 19:28:07 <Pikkaa> it's good to have /something/ in there 19:28:11 <Pikkaa> and they're different-looking 19:28:39 <Sacro> like an egg timer 19:29:01 <Sacro> alright for general freight i guess 19:29:18 <Pikkaa> for teh coels 19:29:24 <Pikkaa> n stuff 19:29:41 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:58001_at_Doncaster_Works.JPG <- whoo 19:29:46 <Sacro> i have that in OO it seems 19:30:41 <andythenorth> what got you two talking about bones? 19:31:55 <Sacro> heh 19:32:01 <Sacro> there's gonna be in UKRS 19:32:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA802.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:33:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEff00.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:33:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEff00.bae.pppool.de] has quit [] 19:36:39 <Sacro> TrueBrain: could start specifying 2k/XP/Vista/7 on the download page now 19:38:04 <andythenorth> Heavy Equipment: http://heavyequipmentforums.com/Forum/showpost.php?p=186096&postcount=38 19:38:25 <andythenorth> ^^ that one's a nice colour too 19:39:50 <Sacro> that's not a 58 19:41:02 <andythenorth> well spotted 19:41:05 <Pikkaa> you're not a 58 19:41:16 <andythenorth> Belugas is not a 58 19:41:25 <andythenorth> Pikkaa is not a 58 19:41:39 <andythenorth> Pikkaa is being greedy with the letter a today though 19:44:24 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:24 *** Pikkaa is now known as Pikk 19:47:32 *** Pikk is now known as Pikka 19:48:55 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:54 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:55:01 <Pikka> http://pikkabird.livejournal.com/16815.html wot larfs 19:55:05 <andythenorth> Pikka was abstemious with the letter a....briefly 19:55:38 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:31 <andythenorth> ^^ ahem. Charts, not graphs. You just made my inner autist wince 19:56:52 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 19:57:39 <Pikka> yes but my inner navigator knows that a chart is a map 19:57:49 <Pikka> but very well! 19:58:37 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:09 <andythenorth> my inner excel just crashed :| 20:00:12 <Pikka> bugger 20:00:17 <Pikka> there, fixed. 20:01:04 <andythenorth> your charts might be, but my excel is seriously sulking 20:01:18 <andythenorth> I want charts dammit :x 20:01:21 <Pikka> what did you do to it? :P 20:01:42 <andythenorth> the usual, tried to use the features 20:01:53 <Pikka> ah, that old chestnut 20:02:18 * Pikka uses open office, but in no way feels superior about it 20:04:32 <andythenorth> I fancied a chart of cost-per-ton for FISH, but....another day 20:04:57 <andythenorth> food 20:04:59 <andythenorth> then nfo 20:05:18 <Prof_Frink> What's that got to do with the price of fish? 20:06:24 *** mynetdude [~mynetdude@70-1-76-135.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:25 *** Peter [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:47 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@host81-135-85-9.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:50 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db033ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 20:14:18 <welshdragon> what's that got to do with the price of your mum, Prof_Frink? 20:14:49 *** Peter [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 20:14:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 20:15:38 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:31 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:41 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:22:10 <Dreamxtreme> pmsl 20:22:22 <Dreamxtreme> price of your mum ? 20:26:32 <Belugas> priceless 20:26:39 <Belugas> for anythung else, there's credit card 20:27:27 <welshdragon> that fails so badly, Belugas 20:30:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:58 <andythenorth> I have charts too! lookit me, lookit me! 20:30:59 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FISH/fish_run_cost_per_ton.png 20:31:34 <Pikka> huzzah! 20:32:20 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17815 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix [SDL]: asynchronious drawing caused extra unresponsiveness during map generation; disable the threading while generating a map 20:34:21 <andythenorth> right time for nfo 20:34:37 <andythenorth> OMG, I am responding to user requests for features :O 20:35:30 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEff00.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:10 <andythenorth> wish there was a varaction 2 for ships to see if we are sailing at sea, or in a canal 20:37:04 <andythenorth> and also a cb for 'sink this boat' 20:37:05 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:32 <Pikka> gurgle gurgle 20:38:34 <andythenorth> "Boat number 32 sailed too far out to sea and sank" 20:39:15 <frosch123> you want to add triremes to fish? 20:39:46 <andythenorth> I want to add a refit option "Overload dangerously" 20:40:03 <Belugas> welshdragon : looks like you have been too much intoxicated by the adds ;) 20:40:28 <welshdragon> no, the fact that it's a Mastercard ;) 20:40:30 <boekabart> Rubidium: did you see my remark about 'MakeWater' ? 20:40:42 <andythenorth> cb 15...refitted capacity 20:40:59 <andythenorth> cb 32...32 day callback 20:41:18 <andythenorth> use cb 15 to set capacity to 'Dangerous' 20:41:29 <andythenorth> use cb 32 to give a random 1 in 50 chance of sinking 20:41:43 <andythenorth> *much more fun* 20:43:32 <fjb> Colliding ships would also be fun. :) 20:44:11 <Pikka> andy: "sink" the ship by setting the speed and running cost to 0, and changing the graphics? :P 20:44:14 <fjb> And a monster wave desaster. 20:45:38 <andythenorth> fjb: colliding ships would not be fun :( 20:45:46 <andythenorth> Pikka: it's an idea I guess 20:45:59 <andythenorth> annoying 'your vehicle is lost' messages though? 20:47:06 <Pikka> not if you have it turned off for stopped vehicles and manually stop the ship *shrug* 20:48:45 <andythenorth> OpenTTD is lacking in...evil 20:48:57 <andythenorth> :P 20:49:25 <andythenorth> although nfo is definitely not lacking in evil 20:50:36 <andythenorth> oops, forgot to go and code 20:52:13 <andythenorth> oh, something is much harder than I thought :O 20:52:18 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:53:32 <Zuu> Hehe, now petert will make you all learn the forum numbers by heart: http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Forums 20:54:39 *** boekabart [~boekabart@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:55:05 <andythenorth> mmmmm 20:56:06 <Zuu> Personally I don't really mind. I know 29, 32, 33 very well. And if I am not mistaken the problem section is 31. 20:56:13 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@17.146.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:56:42 <Prof_Frink> Three Four Oh Seven. 20:56:45 <frosch123> Zuu: do you already know the new forums :p 20:56:46 <Zuu> Oh and 65 for NoAI of course. 20:57:28 <Zuu> frosch123: Which new forums? You mean the OpenTTD 4D forum? 20:57:46 <frosch123> no, grf releases and grf technical 20:58:09 <Zuu> Ah, those, nope. But I didn't really know the graphics forum number before anyways. 20:59:02 <Zuu> Though you was talking about hypotetically future forums :-D 20:59:30 <frosch123> the next one will be 69 21:00:04 <frosch123> that is easy, but the subject might be questionable 21:00:15 <Zuu> :-) 21:00:23 <andythenorth> I am trying to be unafraid of registers 21:00:23 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/217477 21:00:27 <Zuu> Better take the easy questions first. 21:00:28 <andythenorth> ^^ valid code? 21:01:04 <andythenorth> oops, seen a mistake (embarassed) 21:01:09 <frosch123> andythenorth: don'T mix byte and word access 21:01:20 <andythenorth> that was one mistake 21:01:25 <andythenorth> there's another on the final line 21:02:01 <andythenorth> so chance 85 to 81 and remove 21:02:03 <andythenorth> grr 21:02:15 <andythenorth> so change 85 to 81 and remove some 00 00 21:02:30 <andythenorth> no reason to store a simple 0 / 1 flag in anything other than a byte? 21:02:50 <frosch123> well, it is always 1, so no reason to store it at all :p 21:02:53 <Eddi|zuHause> depends 21:02:59 <andythenorth> oh 21:03:05 <andythenorth> oh I see 21:03:14 <andythenorth> well there would be another varaction 2 setting 0 21:03:32 <andythenorth> it would be a branching chain. 21:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause> occasionally, booleans are stored in 32bit-words, for alignment purposes 21:03:55 <frosch123> there is also some comparison comparator which can be used for some simple stuff, but in most cases you are better off with a normal varact2 for the cases 21:05:15 <andythenorth> wiki tells me registers always have the size of 4 bytes. Do I need to care about that here? 21:05:26 <frosch123> no 21:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can byte-access that dword, it will only fetch the lowest 8 bit then 21:06:23 <frosch123> store will always write all 4 bytes (zero expanded) 21:06:38 <frosch123> load will always read 4 bytes with the specified shift-right 21:07:22 <frosch123> (i.e. the 8 bit masking is done after the shifting) 21:07:51 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@host81-135-85-9.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 21:08:10 <andythenorth> how do I read from a register? Sorry if I'm being dumb, but I can't see it in the wiki? I know how to do it for special cases like production callback, but they provide built in support, not roll your own... 21:08:21 <frosch123> some 7x variable 21:08:29 <frosch123> 7d or 7c or so 21:08:47 <andythenorth> 7D 21:09:16 <andythenorth> yay 21:09:24 *** nicfer1 [~usuario@190.50.38.185] has joined #openttd 21:09:53 <frosch123> note that storing allows indirect addressing, while loading does not :p 21:10:45 <andythenorth> what implications does that have when coding? 21:12:01 <frosch123> in most cases none, as indirect addressing is hardly needed 21:12:53 <andythenorth> is register 100 specifically for the text stack? 21:12:54 <frosch123> oh, and you could implement indirect addressing with some insane 7e procedure :roll: 21:13:09 <frosch123> 100+ registers are write-only 21:13:41 <frosch123> they are used for returning values from callbacks in addition to the usual 15bit result 21:14:03 <frosch123> some cb use them for the text stack, some cb use them for other stuff 21:14:15 <andythenorth> so registers <100 are all available? or are any reserved or strange? 21:15:06 <frosch123> registers 0x00 to 0xff are free for your use, but they are only hold their data during a single callback/spriteresolving 21:15:17 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:27 <frosch123> persistent storage only has 16 registers 21:15:34 <andythenorth> so to share something between callback I need persistent storage? 21:15:42 <frosch123> yes 21:15:50 <andythenorth> is persistent storage shared across the whole grf? 21:15:59 <frosch123> no, 16bytes per industry 21:16:03 <andythenorth> ok 21:16:17 <andythenorth> well right now I only need 1 byte :) 21:16:17 <frosch123> err, 16 registers = 64 bytes 21:16:23 <andythenorth> still ok :) 21:16:27 <frosch123> you can access them from both the industry and the tiles 21:16:31 <andythenorth> useful 21:17:10 <andythenorth> I just want to set a flag for 'cargo processed since cb 3D last called' 21:17:41 <frosch123> really? 21:17:54 <TrueBrain> [21:36] <Sacro> TrueBrain: could start specifying 2k/XP/Vista/7 on the download page now > Request Forward > Rubidium 21:18:14 <frosch123> i hope you do not want to return cb36 "accept" only once until some cargo is processed 21:18:46 <frosch123> that will very unlikely result in "wanted" behaviour :p 21:19:54 <Pikka> hmm 21:20:04 * Pikka thinks newais still have a long way to go :D 21:20:18 <andythenorth> frosch123: what might go wrong? 21:20:40 <Pikka> eg, "don't try to drive an 800 ton train with a 600hp loco straight up a mountain" 21:20:45 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 21:21:27 <frosch123> andythenorth: the callback is called for every cargo packet. which means you will end up with about 1 to 5 per train and 1 to 20 per aircraft 21:21:40 <frosch123> (note: per train, not per wagon) 21:22:05 <Pikka> every cargo packet? 21:22:21 <Pikka> you mean every time it tries to unload something? 21:22:46 <frosch123> a cargopacket is a certain amount of cargo from one source, that is unloaded from one wagon in one gradual loading step 21:22:56 <Pikka> ya 21:23:13 <frosch123> so, in most cases the loadamount, but if the cargo is from multiple sources, it could also only be 1 21:23:23 <Pikka> I'm not sure what you're getting at. :P still, try it and see, andy? :) 21:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you have extensive use of transfers or cargo destinations, most wagons will have 1 cargopacket, that is split up at every unloading step 21:25:47 <andythenorth> ach I've led you guys down the wrong path...it's cb 35 (production change) that I want the flag for :) 21:26:17 <andythenorth> "if cargo was processed since cb 35 last called, try production change, else ignore" 21:27:11 <frosch123> then you could as well use the variable for cargo_produced_last_month 21:27:19 <frosch123> or _this_month? no idea 21:27:26 <Pikka> except processed != produced :P 21:27:53 <andythenorth> Pikka: nail, meet head 21:28:05 <andythenorth> and one hit the other 21:28:12 <andythenorth> or something 21:28:21 <frosch123> well, i assumed everything that goes in, comes out somewhere 21:28:29 <Pikka> not necessarily 21:28:31 <Pikka> on the other hand 21:28:38 <andythenorth> nope, some just goes in. and stays 21:28:46 <andythenorth> Forever :O 21:29:01 <Pikka> there is a "Date when cargo was last accepted". but it's short-format days-since-1920. 21:29:58 <andythenorth> well thanks chaps, but problem for tomorrow I think 21:30:15 <andythenorth> the code I have now works, but improving it would be...fairer to the player 21:33:29 <andythenorth> time for bed! 21:33:31 <andythenorth> good night 21:33:34 <frosch123> night andy 21:33:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.9.231.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:34:36 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:29 * fjb hates NAT. 21:41:53 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:53 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 21:42:24 <frosch123> night 21:42:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff3a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA802.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:59 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:47:07 <Terkhen> good night 21:47:09 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@37.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:55:20 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:01:17 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE3A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: May the schwartz be with you! 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