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00:05:04 <Tefad> limits? hahaha 00:05:15 <Xaroth> There are always limits 00:05:17 <Sacro> 64 bit limit 00:05:23 <Sacro> uint64 00:05:30 <Sacro> seeing as we managed to break past uint32 XD 00:05:32 <Xaroth> time to see if we can reach that :P 00:05:45 <Sacro> we managed to break past 4.2 billion a year 00:05:46 <Xaroth> 15 oct, 1.3 bil effective income this year. 00:05:57 <Xaroth> 4 stations :) 00:06:11 <Xaroth> did cheat a tiny bit tho :P 00:06:32 <Xaroth> 2048*2048 map with a ton of coal up north, and a powerstation down south :P 00:11:18 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-151-2-84.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:11:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 00:11:54 <AC6000> lol 00:15:50 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:22 <Xaroth> anyways, back to od... 00:20:20 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:35:05 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 00:38:16 <AC6000> hey chrill, long time no speak :P 00:38:52 <Chrill> Indeed.. who are you? 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03:14:30 *** VirginiaTrioli is now known as Pikka 03:15:13 <Pikka> can't say I do, kieran491 03:19:49 <kieran491> sang 03:19:53 <kieran491> *dang 03:20:40 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 03:27:38 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:38 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 03:36:10 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87f27.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:43:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:acf7:a026:6ce5:d544] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:43:28 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87027.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:10 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.160.143.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 03:55:43 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.144.151.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:55:52 *** Tekky_ is now known as Tekky 04:04:33 <kieran491> What are some good extension to openTTD to make the game more challenging and intresting? 04:20:10 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.188.71.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:26 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:45 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.160.143.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:52 *** Tekky_ is now known as Tekky 04:35:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:36:39 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87a60.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:44:03 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87f27.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:17:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:47 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm76.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:47:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.80.249.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:53:05 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 07:03:18 <andythenorth> morning 07:17:21 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:21:12 <andythenorth> hi Pikka 07:22:31 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:22:48 <Pikka> hiya 07:29:23 <andythenorth> Pikka: registers are mine 07:29:25 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=45609&p=826879#p826879 07:29:30 <andythenorth> mwah ha hah haha etc 07:29:43 <andythenorth> All your register belong to us 07:34:53 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 07:34:58 *** VirginiaTrioli [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:39:04 <VirginiaTrioli> well done andy :P 07:39:10 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:39:13 *** VirginiaTrioli is now known as Pikka 07:39:53 <andythenorth> escaping for dec not hex sorts out the signing issue 07:42:24 <Pikka> oh? :o 07:43:07 <Pikka> oh wait, I think I see why/what you've done. nothing to do with dec vs hex though ;) 07:43:41 <andythenorth> clue stick? 07:44:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:45:01 *** VirginiaTrioli [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:45:02 <VirginiaTrioli> whee 07:45:24 <andythenorth> oh 07:45:30 <andythenorth> the text stack is upside down 07:45:33 <andythenorth> or I am 07:48:48 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:48:48 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:07 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:50:23 <andythenorth> so when I print items from the text stack, it takes the highest register first? 07:51:11 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:51:17 <andythenorth> so it's like array.pop ? 07:51:35 <planetmaker> [09:16] <kieran491> [06:04:34] What are some good extension to openTTD to make the game more challenging and intresting? <-- did you check out the online content? 07:51:56 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 07:52:07 <Pikka> andy: LIFO? 07:52:16 <andythenorth> I was expecting it to be like array.shift 07:52:20 <planetmaker> Play with an expensive train set, limit yourself to minimal terraform, maybe use PBI or ECS as industries. Or test the FIRS industry set 07:52:23 <andythenorth> guess I'm wrong, the code it right 07:52:27 <andythenorth> is* 07:53:05 *** VirginiaTrioli [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:14 <andythenorth> oh. 08:00:40 <andythenorth> the pseudo code for industry production is on a piece of paper in the office :O 08:00:44 <andythenorth> where I am not 08:05:46 <Pikka> oops :) 08:07:41 <andythenorth> nvm I am reading about signing in hex insteas 08:07:44 <andythenorth> d* 08:10:39 <Pikka> basically: if your value is > 1/2 the maximum size, it ends up a negative number 08:10:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11:18 <Pikka> one unsigned byte goes from 0 to 255, one signed byte goes from -127 to 127 08:11:34 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@118.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:11:42 <andythenorth> simple really :) 08:11:52 <Terkhen> good morning 08:11:53 <Noldo> there are both + and - 0 then? 08:12:52 <Pikka> -128 to 127 08:13:14 <Rubidium> well... more like 0..127,-128..-1 :) 08:13:22 <Pikka> yes :P 08:16:10 <Pikka> sigh 08:16:21 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 08:16:29 <Pikka> I'll be glad when the steam locos are done, diesels are so much easier to draw 08:16:43 <Pikka> especially the symmetrical ones 08:17:07 <andythenorth> try industries...big, but only one view :) 08:17:15 * Pikka has? :P 08:17:23 <andythenorth> :P 08:17:23 <andythenorth> bulldozers fricking suck to draw 08:18:00 <andythenorth> ships sucked at first, but has turned into a copy and paste love-fest 08:18:21 <Pikka> fun :] 08:18:35 * andythenorth is about to run out of text stack registers 08:18:38 <Pikka> http://www.pikkarail.com/junk/jub.png 08:19:21 <andythenorth> ^^ nice pixels 08:19:40 <Pikka> a few views to go 08:19:45 <Pikka> then just two more steamers! 08:20:26 <andythenorth> right I've got 6 dword side registers available on the text stack, and 8 word sized values to display 08:21:03 <andythenorth> this will be fun 08:21:37 <Pikka> sounds it 08:23:15 <andythenorth> what is a bitwise AND anyway (google time) 08:24:04 <Pikka> result = the bits that were set in both inputs :] 08:25:25 * andythenorth thinks some kind of bit shift is needed 08:25:47 <Pikka> if you want to read the high word of a dword? yes, shift 16 (0x10) bits. 08:26:29 <andythenorth> I need to stuff two words into a dword register... 08:26:34 <Pikka> hmm 08:26:46 <andythenorth> operator 11? 08:26:47 <Pikka> but won't it then print both as one? 08:27:01 * Pikka doesn't know how the text stack registers work 08:27:42 <andythenorth> seems to just use registers 100-105h 08:28:14 <andythenorth> printing C (word) twice seems to pull the first word then the second word from the register 08:28:24 <andythenorth> (I think) 08:28:29 <Pikka> okay, if you have 0000aaaa and 0000bbbb and you want to make aaaabbbb 08:28:35 <andythenorth> yup 08:29:27 <Pikka> A, shift 0 AND 0000FFFF, add (operator 00) b shift 16 AND FFFF0000. 08:29:40 <Pikka> sorry, that's the wrong way round, that will give you bbbbaaaa, but you know what I mean. 08:30:06 <andythenorth> ta 08:31:03 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:36:35 *** Axil [Axel@92-32-26-43.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:57 *** Axil [Axel@92-32-26-43.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:22 *** Axil [Axel@92-32-26-43.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:44 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.80.249.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.80.249.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:48 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 08:44:49 *** Axil [Axel@92-32-26-43.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:51 *** kannerke [~pvdenber@83.101.79.14] has joined #openttd 08:45:03 <kannerke> hi 08:45:22 <kannerke> I'm currently adding some statistics logging to openttd 08:45:31 <kannerke> incmoe, expenses, etc 08:45:35 <kannerke> *income 08:46:11 <kannerke> I managed to save the yearly expenses of the players company to a file 08:46:28 <kannerke> now, I'm looking to expand this with statistics of each vehicle 08:46:52 <kannerke> is someone familiar with the Vehicle code? 08:47:29 <kannerke> I found the Vehicle->name member is null by default (it's probably used to store a custom name) 08:47:55 <kannerke> I just found the Vehicle->unitnumber member 08:48:49 <Alberth> look in the vehicle details window in vehicle_gui to see how to get various costs 08:48:56 <kannerke> I guess this is just the number that is used for listing the vehicles? 08:48:56 <kannerke> (e.g. train 1, train 2, ship 1, ship 2, ...) ? 08:49:28 <kannerke> do you know where the vehicle class is stored? 08:50:02 <kannerke> 'train', 'ship, ... 08:50:58 <Tefad> you'd probably want to extend the vehicle class with whatever feature you're adding 08:51:02 <Terkhen> the class is not stored at the Vehicle class: Train, Ship, etc are implemented as classes that inherit from Vehicle 08:51:28 <Tefad> i'm sure there are arrays of each type, yes? 08:51:45 <Tefad> train[0] train[1] ... 08:51:52 <Tefad> i'm not sure where they are 08:51:53 <kannerke> I found the 'VehiclesYearlyLoop' function 08:51:54 <Alberth> Vehicle is at "Definition at line 73 of file vehicle_base.h." says doxygen 08:52:22 <Tefad> where are each players vehicles stored 08:52:30 <Tefad> separated by type 08:53:08 <kannerke> ah, now, my test code will probably store info of eache vehicle, also from the competitors.. 08:53:29 <Tefad> so you iterate through each player and each of the type of vehicle of the player 08:54:03 <Tefad> then each vehicle of that type... 08:54:09 <Tefad> fun times 08:55:31 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:59 <Terkhen> Tefad: you use the FOR_ALL_TRAINS macro, there is an equivalent one for each vehicle type 08:56:12 <Tefad> talk to kannerke not me 09:00:14 <kannerke> I don't find the vehicles lists for each company 09:00:37 <kannerke> its not in the Company struct 09:02:07 <Terkhen> kannerke: check Vehicle->owner 09:05:01 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:08:51 <kannerke> Terkhen: thx, for the hint, I added a check for v->owner == _local_company 09:09:10 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:16 <kannerke> Terkhen: do you know how I can find out the type of the vehicle? 09:09:32 <kannerke> or can I only find that on some higher level? 09:10:43 <Terkhen> check for example the FOR_ALL_TRAINS macro 09:11:11 <kannerke> just did it: I should probably use FOR_ALL_VEHICLES_OF_TYPE(Train, var) etc :-) 09:20:52 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 09:24:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:55 <Pikka> dinner dinner dinner dinner, batman... 09:25:27 <Rubidium> VehicleType 09:25:57 <kannerke> I also has a gameplay question 09:26:48 <kannerke> When you select for instance two bus stations and you let a bus drive between these two, the bus fill full load and unload at the same station 09:26:55 <kannerke> is this the normal behaviour? 09:27:52 <Rubidium> if the station accepts the cargo and you haven't selected 'no unloading' the unloading is expected behaviour 09:29:42 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:30:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:38 <kannerke> so, when you want a service between two station, you must list each of them twice? 09:30:52 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:08 <Rubidium> no 09:31:24 <kannerke> ah, I found unload and take cargo 09:31:30 <kannerke> that's probably what I need :) 09:31:48 <kannerke> I have been some time I played the game 09:33:11 <kannerke> that was not a good sentence -> it have been a while since I last played the game ;) 09:38:03 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:03 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 09:38:58 <kannerke> is the financial data to the road vehicles store in some other currency? 09:39:29 <kannerke> new vehicles cost, construction cost etc is correct 09:39:45 <kannerke> but for instance raod vehicle income is wrong 09:40:22 <kannerke> the game zays 2802 ?, my log file says 4294964494 09:40:58 <Rubidium> let me guess, it warned about some printfs? 09:41:04 <kannerke> the same for a particular vehicle: bus 1: 1218 ?, the log file says 311346 09:41:09 <thepalm> 4294964494 = FFFFF50E - perhaps negative issue? 09:42:10 <kannerke> for he first is is possible, I guess I forgot to change %u by %d 09:42:21 <kannerke> but for the vehicle is should be correct 09:42:32 *** ltsampro1 [~ltsampros@ppp-94-64-208-181.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 09:42:33 <Rubidium> money is in int64, chances are quite big that you're printing int32s 09:42:57 <Rubidium> which basically means the stack might get a bit mixed up causing printf to print different values 09:45:16 <kannerke> yes, I'm running an 64bit os 09:45:35 <kannerke> I'll check about printing values 09:47:14 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17850 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: remove most usage of delta on OnResize 09:48:36 *** ltsampros [~ltsampros@ppp-94-64-202-60.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:16 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:20 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:50:19 <Pikka> ttdpatch has a "statistics" button on the company info which shows how much cargo the company has transported.. that would be pretty cool in OTTD... :P 09:52:18 <Rubidium> Pikka: but that isn't enough for those 'statistics' hooligans 09:52:48 <Pikka> it'd still be pretty cool! 09:53:07 <Rubidium> they'd probably only be happy if you printed out *each* expense and income and said who/what caused it 09:54:08 <Rubidium> e.g. one deduction of running costs a year wouldn't be enough, they need to know how much is spent on personnel, new/revised parts, fuel, etc. 09:54:46 <andythenorth> meh 09:55:06 <andythenorth> code an option. mega-stats, but they *have* to only use maglev 09:55:08 <andythenorth> ... 09:55:10 <andythenorth> and toylad 09:55:32 <andythenorth> :D 09:55:45 <andythenorth> right enough nfo, time for domestic crap 09:55:55 <Pikka> have fun :P 09:57:36 <kannerke> added more statistic is part of my goal 09:58:14 <kannerke> but I'll log al data to files so external tools can make nice graphs or generate alerts 09:58:40 <kannerke> when logging of vehicle data works fine, I'll start checking out station statistics 10:00:14 <kannerke> I found the wrong road vehicle income issue: 10:00:23 <kannerke> that value seems to be shifted << 8 10:00:35 <kannerke> shifting >> 8 solved it :-) 10:04:28 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:20 <Alberth> afaik those are fractions 10:08:01 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:37 <Xaroth> heh, 3 billion income from 2 stations connected :P 10:08:54 *** YoG_ [~chatzilla@bzq-79-178-100-188.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:09:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:09:17 <Xaroth> around 50 coal mines all at max production and there's more trains to take the cargo than there is cargo created.. 10:09:38 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@118.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:09:41 <MyCatVerbs> andythenorth: I like Toyland. 10:09:46 <MyCatVerbs> Maglev, not so much. 10:10:14 <YoG_> Hi, I'm playing cargodist and the sound stutter somewhat, any ideas how can I improve it? 10:11:20 <YoG_> I forgot to mention, I'm on ubuntu and I compiled the latest code 10:11:21 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:18 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 10:15:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.80.249.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:21 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.87.250] has joined #openttd 10:18:02 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:57 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:59 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 10:27:48 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:43 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:32:51 <CaptObvious> is there an easier way to upgrade rail->monorail or monorail->maglev than manually replacing all of my trains? 10:33:28 <|Jeroen|> can't it be done with autoreplace ? 10:33:52 <Xaroth> how do you want to fit a monorail train into a maglev depot? 10:34:21 <|Jeroen|> brute force 10:34:23 <andythenorth> yay, I now have the pseudo code for my industries...thanks to the magic of the internets, it's not stuck in my office :D 10:34:33 <CaptObvious> :) 10:35:58 <CaptObvious> I've finally realised that with long trains is better to use double locomotives 10:36:05 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:36:40 <Xaroth> I always do max 8 carriages per dual-head 10:37:01 <CaptObvious> I'm running 24-long trains 10:37:10 <Xaroth> so a 15 tile length station will have trains with 3 dual-heads and 24 carraiges 10:39:56 <Xaroth> especially for heavy stuff like coals it's mandatory, else your trains take ages to get to max speed :P 10:40:11 <Xaroth> for passengers you can probably go for 13 carriages per dual-head 10:40:24 <CaptObvious> is this how you guys would build this station entrance? http://gallery.captobvio.us/var/albums/openttd/station.png 10:40:46 <Xaroth> Inefficient :P 10:40:56 <CaptObvious> how would you do it? 10:41:01 <Xaroth> 2x 45 degree corners ruin yer speed 10:41:25 <Xaroth> lemme find an example 10:41:28 <CaptObvious> okay 10:42:03 <Xaroth> http://openttdcoop.org/wiki/Junctionary_-_Terminus_Stations 10:42:40 <Xaroth> i usually go for the 2nd or the 4th 10:43:40 <CaptObvious> bridges will slow trains down in the 4th one 10:43:49 <|Jeroen|> i always go out the other way 10:43:52 <CaptObvious> also, is it not better to use tunnels as they have no speed limit? 10:44:07 <Xaroth> I prefer tunnels, yeh 10:44:15 <Xaroth> but tunnels take up a bit more space 10:44:38 <Rubidium> that's definitely how I would NOT build a station entrance 10:44:46 <Xaroth> that said, I use #2 more than #4 10:45:16 <Xaroth> mainly because #4 is made for bigger stations, and I tend make my stations longer vs wider. 10:47:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:48:41 <CaptObvious> so like this? http://gallery.captobvio.us/var/albums/openttd/station2.png 10:49:06 <Xaroth> er, yes, I would personally make a small modification to that 10:49:17 <Xaroth> add around 4 tiles of straight before starting the crossovers 10:49:38 <Xaroth> so you can make a line of two-way PBS with signal pointing to station in front 10:49:59 <Xaroth> on the bottom 4 lanes add a 2nd pbs pointing the same way 10:50:12 <Xaroth> with those added signals trains entering will prefer the top 4 lanes when possible 10:50:13 <CaptObvious> huh? 10:50:19 <Xaroth> which should increase the exit flow 10:50:26 <Xaroth> lemme demonstrate, one sec 10:50:43 <CaptObvious> okay 10:51:01 <CaptObvious> and is it right for a PBS signal to be red if there's a train in the station? 10:51:10 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:20 <Xaroth> pbs always show red 10:51:32 <Xaroth> they don't calculate whether it's ok to go until a train is approaching 10:52:15 <YoG_> how can I change the audio buffer size for sdl? 10:52:29 <CaptObvious> oh nice, so if I'm making a cheap and nasty exit by just doing a crossover on my main line I can use a PBS there so trains can go in both directions through the junction at the same time? 10:53:18 <Alberth> yes, you can have several trains in the same block with pbs 10:53:28 <CaptObvious> first time I've heard of them 10:53:40 <CaptObvious> just started on openttd again yesterday, they weren't in last time I played 10:54:19 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:54:56 <Xaroth> http://devs.opendune.org/~xaroth/example_1.png .. i think 10:55:35 <Xaroth> as you can see, the first train (that is now exiting) prefered the two top lanes because they have one less signal impeding his path 10:55:52 <Xaroth> which means that at this point a train can both enter and exit 10:56:07 <Xaroth> because the entering train will go to the bototm because he can't go top 10:56:15 <CaptObvious> so I put 2 signals in the bottom half, one signal in the top half? 10:56:21 <Xaroth> yeh 10:56:58 <Alberth> even no signal will work 10:57:02 <CaptObvious> cool, thanks :) 10:57:11 <Xaroth> no signal will work, but it won't do penalty lanes properly 10:57:42 <Xaroth> not that it matters a lot, it just improves flow if there's not that many trains in station 10:57:57 <CaptObvious> so if a train is exiting from one of the top platforms and another train comes along, it'll select one of the bottom 4 platforms to use? 10:58:03 <Xaroth> yeh 10:59:27 <Xaroth> hah i just made an 11 million train.. 10:59:33 <CaptObvious> rofl nice 10:59:37 <CaptObvious> how'd you manage that? 10:59:49 <Xaroth> 50 tile station :P 10:59:50 <Alberth> inflation :) 10:59:58 <Xaroth> and look at the date on that screenshot :P 11:00:16 <CaptObvious> 2075, yeah 11:00:35 <Xaroth> trying to see how much income I can generate :P 11:00:55 <Rubidium> YoG_: try -s sdl:hz=11025 11:00:55 <CaptObvious> I'd guess lots, but industries must be pretty sparse by then 11:01:08 <Xaroth> nah, i'm not doing it the ordinary way 11:01:13 <Xaroth> just a plain old brute force :P 11:01:34 <Xaroth> got around 60-70 coal mines up on top with each >1000 producing and other end of map some power stations 11:01:46 <CaptObvious> custom map? 11:02:04 <Xaroth> ye 11:02:07 <Xaroth> 2048x2048 11:02:13 <Xaroth> just to see how far i can push the limit :P 11:03:21 <YoG_> Rubidium: Great, thanks, hz=22000 did the trick (11025 did not work - I didn't get any sound) 11:04:03 <Rubidium> YoG_: then you're getting screwed by a sdl-pulseaudio bug 11:04:53 <YoG_> Rubidium: um... I'm using alsa 11:05:31 <Rubidium> are you really sure? not sdl -> pulseaudio-alsa -> pulseaudio -> alsa? 11:05:55 <Rubidium> cause that's kinda default for ubuntu 11:06:41 <YoG_> Rubidium: I'm not sure, but when I run with SDL_AUDIO_DRIVER=pulse, I get no sound... and... it's not a deafult installation of ubuntu, I'm running it on arm machine 11:06:54 <Xaroth> heh, 11 mil for a trainload from one end of map to the other :P 11:07:23 <YoG_> Rubidium: how can I check which sound system is running on my machine? 11:08:09 <Rubidium> no clue actually 11:08:50 <YoG_> Rubidium: anyway... I don't think I have pulse installed there... btw, what's the pulseaudio bug? 11:09:25 <Rubidium> that for some reason a huge amount of CPU is wasted for resampling the sound 11:09:57 <YoG_> yeah... that sounds bad... any workaround for that? 11:09:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 11:10:12 <Rubidium> setting the 'output' sampling rate of OpenTTD to something else seems to help in 100% times the bug occurs, which I've only seen from people using ubuntu 11:11:17 <YoG_> what's the default? 44000? 11:11:21 <Rubidium> YoG_: sounddriver = sdl:hz=22050 or so in your config file; there's already a sounddriver line in there 11:11:25 <Rubidium> YoG_: 44100 11:13:09 <Rubidium> which is kinda a defacto standard as that's the sampling rate of CDs 11:13:27 <CaptObvious> just a quickie cos I'm late leaving for work 11:13:44 <CaptObvious> but anyone know if the iPhone port of OpenTTD in cydia is gonna be updated to the latest version? 11:14:05 <Rubidium> I reckon the person developing that knows 11:14:13 <CaptObvious> ah, it's not an openttd team thing? 11:14:17 <Rubidium> no 11:14:24 <CaptObvious> fair enough 11:14:32 <CaptObvious> right, off to work, bye all 11:14:33 <YoG_> Rubidium: my machine doesn't like the 22050 rate (no sound) just the 22000... 11:15:00 <Rubidium> YoG_: that's odd 11:17:36 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:17:51 <YoG_> Rubidium: indeed... but it works so I don't complain ;-) 11:21:21 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:18 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:25:18 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:23 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 11:27:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I now enabled the debug mode of the production website (which is always a bad thing, but okay) 11:27:37 <TrueBrain> next time someone gets an upload failure of BaNaNaS, I need the exact error (in high detail, including local variables, function-tracelog, etc etc) 11:28:14 <SpComb> and an interactive debugger? :) 11:28:15 <Rubidium> "yay" :) 11:29:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.87.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:12 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:02 <Luukland> 3 of my servers in top 5 hmmm 11:36:07 <Luukland> I need more servers 11:36:35 <Luukland> Can someone provide me with a server in Spain or Italy? 11:36:43 <Luukland> I need to have some backup servers there 11:36:48 <Rubidium> no you don't need more servers... there're more than enough already 11:36:56 <TrueBrain> sure; 50 euro a month okay? 11:37:23 <Luukland> Depends, is it in Italy or Spain? 11:37:37 <TrueBrain> that can be arranged 11:37:58 <Luukland> But that means... That you are just a merchant... 11:38:18 <TrueBrain> I sell VPSes all over the world :p 11:38:39 <Luukland> I see, can't you make "special price" for me? 11:39:04 <TrueBrain> by the fact that you didn't even asked for the specs of a 50 euro machine, I would have to say: no :) 11:39:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:56 <Luukland> dang, will have to start my secret server takeover scenario 11:40:08 <TrueBrain> not so secret now 11:40:13 <Luukland> Indeed... 11:40:25 <Luukland> Or I must kill you before you tell anyone esle... 11:41:07 <TrueBrain> 106 people to kill, of which at least 3 are not real people and 2 of them log directly on the web ... good luck ;) 11:41:26 <Luukland> Then I must activate another secret scenario 11:41:30 <Luukland> Which i wont tell ^^ 11:41:35 <Luukland> Muwhahaha (evil laughter) 11:41:37 <YoG_> I didn't read anything about youre secret scenario... 11:41:50 <YoG_> (so it's 105) 11:42:43 <Luukland> <@Rubidium> there're more than enough already <--- Well, it seems like the servers lack attraction 11:43:13 <TrueBrain> all serveres, yes 11:43:53 <Luukland> To you maybe, but mine are currently growing like crops in Africa 11:44:11 <TrueBrain> sounds aweful :p 11:44:32 <Luukland> Maybe I should have said France :P 11:44:42 <TrueBrain> nothing grows in France 11:44:42 <Luukland> or children in India 11:44:44 <TrueBrain> there only things die 11:44:54 <Luukland> I hope Belugas didn't hear that 11:45:05 <TrueBrain> he doesnt live in France, so he wouldnt mind 11:45:50 <Luukland> There are 201 clients, 180 IPv4 servers 11:46:00 <Luukland> Do you happen to know what was max clients ever online? 11:46:07 <TrueBrain> nope 11:46:11 <Luukland> Or don't "they" keep track of those things... 11:46:51 <Luukland> Shame 11:47:04 <TrueBrain> yup 11:48:21 <Luukland> Do you happen to know where I can find Ex? (the server admin) 11:48:32 <Luukland> I need to ki.., brib..., I mean speak to him... 11:48:54 <TrueBrain> you are not at all hostile, are you? 11:50:07 <Luukland> no no no 11:50:16 <Luukland> If I lose my temper maybe 11:50:30 <TrueBrain> well, I read you wanted to kill at least 2 people in the last 10 minutes :p 11:50:38 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 11:51:08 <Luukland> True, maybe I am a kill 11:51:12 <Luukland> killer * 11:51:17 <Luukland> Or a psycopat 11:51:28 <TrueBrain> dutch people tend to be psycopats, yes 11:51:30 <Luukland> Or maybe I am Chizofrenic 11:51:32 <TrueBrain> known fact 11:52:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:53:07 <Luukland> Stil I need to get that monopoly 11:54:50 <Luukland> Which means I need to get Ex to work with me 11:55:38 <TrueBrain> so I am not sure, are you Pinky or the Brain? 11:55:53 <planetmaker> hm... what happened to src/ottdres.rc.in ? 11:56:32 <TrueBrain> I ATE IT! I was so hungry .... 11:56:34 * TrueBrain hugs planetmaker 11:57:56 <Luukland> I am the Brain 11:57:57 <planetmaker> uh... it's quite tough to chew on it, I guess. 11:57:59 <Luukland> Fugas is Pinky 11:58:46 <planetmaker> nvm. found it 11:59:00 <TrueBrain> it was hidden under the rock? :) 12:01:04 <planetmaker> yes, indeed. 12:01:16 <planetmaker> A big boulder called windows rolled nearly over it. 12:01:24 <TrueBrain> as it should have 12:01:48 <planetmaker> yeah. But previously it was running around in the wild, unharmed by ./os/windows ;-) 12:01:59 <planetmaker> now it got enslaved by that folder 12:04:38 <TrueBrain> so as OSX user, why are you interested in that file? :) 12:05:03 <Luukland> He wants to sabotage it! 12:05:05 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: update of the infrastructure sharing repository 12:05:10 <TrueBrain> :) 12:05:17 <planetmaker> and I like to release something called IS2.0-beta4 :-) 12:11:32 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 12:12:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e52b:323b:9332:50dc] has joined #openttd 12:12:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:22:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:34 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:14 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 12:29:21 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:29:42 <AC6000> thought i had the wrong channel ^^; 12:30:13 <Noldo> why?+ 12:30:38 <AC6000> possible brain fart... :I 12:30:58 *** v3gard [~v3gard@svale.hia.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35:05 *** v3gard [~v3gard@svale.hia.no] has joined #openttd 12:39:01 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:43 <Luukland> Here comes another brain 12:39:47 <Luukland> Or Pinky 12:39:48 <Luukland> Hmmm 12:40:10 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@DSL01.212.114.230.104.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:42 *** Dr_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0C37A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:43 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.188.71.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:52 *** Tekky_ is now known as Tekky 12:46:55 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:47:52 *** George3 is now known as George 12:49:42 *** kannerke [~pvdenber@83.101.79.14] has left #openttd [] 12:51:13 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0ED1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:15 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:06:50 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227079216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:34:18 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: Rubidium: may I ask you to build a new version of the infrastructure sharing repository, please? 13:34:35 <planetmaker> I think, SmatZ will approve :-) 13:35:47 <TrueBrain> hg://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2 right? 13:35:55 <planetmaker> yes 13:36:15 <planetmaker> you should still have also the data / login for where to transfer the resulting binaries 13:36:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2A84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:35 <planetmaker> e.g. the key is still active 13:36:53 <TrueBrain> I started the schedule .. we will see what it does :p 13:37:01 <planetmaker> thanks a lot :-) 13:37:15 <TrueBrain> it is sitll (trying) to get the hg 13:37:22 <TrueBrain> ah, there it is 13:37:33 <planetmaker> changed a few revisions ;-) 13:37:43 <TrueBrain> hg over http is just very slow 13:37:54 <planetmaker> you could use hg over hg ;-) 13:38:11 <TrueBrain> could would should 13:38:22 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 13:38:23 <planetmaker> but doesn't matter I guess :-) 13:38:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3419.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:41:02 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:42:13 <Ammler> does hg have it's own transfer protocol? 13:42:29 <TrueBrain> yup 13:42:49 <Ammler> you mean the thing with hg serve? 13:44:25 <planetmaker> Ammler: no: hg pull ... 13:44:35 <planetmaker> if you don't specify a http address 13:44:40 <planetmaker> but login via ssh 13:45:19 <Ammler> then it is hg over ssh :-) 13:45:25 <planetmaker> :-) 13:46:03 <TrueBrain> ssh indeed is a transfer protocol 13:46:04 <TrueBrain> (lol) 13:46:58 <Ammler> well, but not really hg's own 13:47:12 <TrueBrain> lol ... that is a wrong conclusion my friend :) 13:47:19 <TrueBrain> svn can also be done over ssh 13:47:27 <TrueBrain> does it means it isn't using SVNs own protocol? 13:47:28 <Ammler> of course. 13:47:37 <Ammler> no 13:47:44 <TrueBrain> SSH is a carrier, nothing more 13:47:50 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:50 <Ammler> same with http in that case, isn't? 13:49:01 <TrueBrain> http is a protocol, even a transfer protocol 13:49:20 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17851 /trunk/src/ (vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.h): -Codechange: Use pure nested widgets for the view-vehicle window. 13:50:01 <Ammler> nvm, we speak in different languages :-) 13:50:13 <Alberth> test worked, we can still do svn protocol over ssh 13:50:21 <TrueBrain> tnx Alberth ;) 13:51:00 <Alberth> Ammler: in network land, it is normal to use one protocol in context of another. 13:51:35 <Alberth> eg, Unix has UDP, which is used to make TCP, which is used to make HTTP, which is used for hg 13:51:38 <TrueBrain> easiest examples are lower-level protocols: IP, TCP, Ethernet, .. 13:52:06 <TrueBrain> neither transfer .. they only carry :) 13:52:32 <TrueBrain> I guess HTTP is a hybrid, when looking at it like that 13:52:35 <Ammler> Alberth: so hg does also use http for ssh? 13:52:52 <TrueBrain> it uses file:// I believe :) 13:53:27 <Noldo> udp isn't used to make tcp 13:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause> so, if you're going to discuss protocols, what happened to OSI layers? 13:53:31 <Ammler> I would think it makes the bundles and then transfer those over http or directly with ssh 13:53:41 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: they still exist, dah :p 13:54:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c327c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:57 <Alberth> Ammler: hg needs to transfer contents, and it uses a transfer protocol to do that. SSH and HTTP are both usable for that. (and I guess HTTPS too, but I don't know whether that is done) 13:56:25 <TrueBrain> Alberth: of course it is; that what can be done over http can be done over https ;) Check https://secure.openttd.org/hg/ ;) 13:56:43 <Ammler> yep, so we still don't have its own hg protocol, do we? 13:57:02 <Alberth> Noldo: technically your are right, IP is the common protocol, but UDP is a very thin layer :) 13:57:47 <Noldo> multiplexing is a feature! 13:57:49 <Alberth> Ammler: in URL speak, that would be 'hg://' not sure it exist. 13:58:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17852 /trunk/src/ (vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.h): -Codechange: Use viewport nested widget in the view-vehicle window. 13:58:32 <Ammler> yes, and that was my inital question, as I am not aware of it iehter. 13:58:55 <Alberth> well, it is open source, you can have a look :) 13:59:04 <TrueBrain> and that wasn't your question ;) 13:59:17 <Ammler> you guys! 13:59:17 <TrueBrain> mercurial uses, as far as I know, raw file access to access repos 13:59:36 <TrueBrain> which makes it extremely slow in some situations :( 13:59:42 <TrueBrain> like git over http .. brrr slow :( 13:59:56 <Ammler> well, git has its protocol 14:00:24 <Ammler> doies openttd support that? 14:00:33 <TrueBrain> the protocol? No 14:00:46 <Ammler> git://git.openttd.org 14:00:56 <Ammler> or soemthing like it... 14:02:52 <TrueBrain> I can only suggest to try it 14:04:58 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 14:06:28 <Alberth> Ammler: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/WireProtocol 14:07:09 <Alberth> it seems incomplete 14:07:18 <Ammler> TrueBrain: well, that sounded like a yes :-) 14:07:39 <TrueBrain> I don't deploy things partly ... I hate doing that. Well I had to for NoAI, but I still dislike that :( 14:07:49 <TrueBrain> oh, and Redmine sucks 14:08:04 <Ammler> hehe 14:08:15 <TrueBrain> (for 'repositories' is needs about twice the memory it normally is using, and if it isn't avaialble, it starts serving 500 pages, never to retry again) 14:08:48 <Ammler> I once loaded openDUNE in our redmine 14:08:56 <Ammler> Xaroth: wasn't able to break it :-) 14:09:55 <TrueBrain> if you have enough memory available, it is never a problem 14:10:11 <TrueBrain> for OpenDUNE is requires 300 MiB of free RAM for certain revisions 14:10:12 <planetmaker> @ports 14:10:12 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 14:10:14 <TrueBrain> which I call an insane amount :( 14:11:38 <Ammler> do you get the message "Redmine deraild", if that happens? 14:12:00 <TrueBrain> no, it tells in the log that it is out of memory, and serves a 500 page 14:12:16 <TrueBrain> I believe "Insufficient memory to serve page blabla" or something closely like it 14:12:39 <Ammler> I had that with redmine-mysql 14:13:18 <TrueBrain> when I created 300 MiB of 'free' memory, it started to serve that page, only to use 10 MiB or RAM more .. 14:13:38 <TrueBrain> which to me reads something like: I AM POORLY WRITTEN SOFTWARE AND I NEED TO BE REPLACED 14:13:39 <TrueBrain> :) 14:14:40 <Ammler> but those memory limits are reached only in short timeframes, then it went back to ~0? 14:14:52 <Ammler> I would need something to debug that 14:15:07 <Ammler> never saw big mem usage for redmine. 14:15:14 <TrueBrain> OpenDUNE! :p Create a VPS with, say, 50 MiB of RAM free after launching a single redmine thread, and enjoy 14:15:39 <TrueBrain> as I said: it doesn't use it, it just needs it (well, maybe for bursts, but it doesn't show up anywhere) 14:15:40 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository 14:15:51 <TrueBrain> mind the 'free memory' limitation 14:15:55 <Ammler> if you browse around there, the memory doesn't rise 14:15:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm76.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:16:09 <TrueBrain> I believe I do write in a different language then the one you read :( 14:16:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:22 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-228-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 14:18:07 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 14:18:08 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:53 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 14:29:36 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 14:30:19 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: please confirm IS2 is uploaded correctly? 14:31:26 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: looks fine. Thanks a lot! 14:31:29 <TrueBrain> np 14:32:21 <Noldo> IS2? 14:32:30 <planetmaker> infrastructure sharing 14:35:42 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:43 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00ad0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:28 <planetmaker> new binaries now available from http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/IS2.0-beta4/ 14:40:29 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.30.178] has joined #openttd 14:45:04 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 14:49:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [] 14:52:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-18-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:54:20 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17853 /trunk/src/ (26 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: remove the 'delta' parameter from OnResize; it was used in ways that aren't always wanted, causing bugs and the like. Also with nested widgets most reasons for handling OnResize have gone. 14:58:15 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:02 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 15:00:59 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:04:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 15:07:20 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@157.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:12:51 <Terkhen> hello 15:12:56 <yorick> hello 15:17:31 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 15:17:44 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 15:19:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.105.234.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:18 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17854 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Merge different cases of setting widget data together in the view vehicle window. 15:21:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:24:30 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@157.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:49 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:38:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:40:37 <Xaroth> Ammler: when a piece of software requires 300+ mem assigned to it to serve a single repository, it's flawed.. heck, even websvn does it all within the bounds of a single php instance 15:40:56 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.112.234.243] has joined #openttd 15:41:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.105.234.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:02 <Ammler> Xaroth: I wasn't able to reproduce it, but maybe I am simply not able to debug that. :-) 15:42:31 <Xaroth> you don't have to either, we switched to separete packages that in combination, work better :) 15:43:04 <Ammler> well, we still run redmine 15:43:29 * Xaroth shrugs 15:43:33 <Xaroth> if it works for you, use it :) 15:43:42 <Ammler> until now, I blamed apache and mysql if somehting failed 15:44:31 <Xaroth> I blame redmine. 15:44:43 <Xaroth> apache and mysql are both mature enough to not be -that- lacking. 15:45:35 <Ammler> you didn't use apache anyway... 15:45:59 <Xaroth> nope 15:46:17 <Xaroth> but it's a known issue with apache as well :) 15:46:21 <Ammler> the funny thing is, those use redmine too :-) 15:46:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.78.217.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:04 <Ammler> as I looked for alternative to apache, I found redmine ;-) 15:47:07 <andythenorth> Rubidium: what are the chances of have more registers available to the text stack? Even if it was a patch, not trunk? 15:47:12 <andythenorth> I have a use for them... 15:49:03 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.112.234.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:13 <andythenorth> grr 15:51:51 <frosch123> andythenorth: maybe you want a patch that displays all persistant registers? :p 15:52:41 <andythenorth> frosch123: omg, something resembling a debugger? wtf, lol etc :P 15:53:01 <andythenorth> I can't think what the gui would look like for that 15:53:38 <andythenorth> say 200 industries on a map, 16(?) persistent registers per industry.... 15:53:39 <frosch123> showing some registers should be possible, tracing and singlestepping action2 would be very hard 15:53:58 <andythenorth> but my industry text window solution is *neat* dammit :P 15:54:06 <andythenorth> only involves about 20 lines of pointless code 15:54:08 <frosch123> lol, of course it would be shown in the industry gui and not for all industries at once :p 15:54:29 <andythenorth> frosch123: well it would be mighty useful if such a thing were possible :) 15:55:00 <frosch123> however, if you want to show more registers you would at first have to store multiple stuff in one register to not always have to print dwords 15:55:29 <andythenorth> yep, that is what I haven't figured out yet. 15:55:46 <andythenorth> Pikka gave me pseudo code this morning, but I haven't converted it to nfo 15:55:52 <andythenorth> or at least, nfo that works anyway 15:56:04 <andythenorth> I don't *need* it right now, it would just be handy 15:57:41 <andythenorth> frosch123: you've seen this? 15:57:41 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=826899#p826899 15:59:19 <frosch123> yes, somewhat more detailed http://paste.openttd.org/217554 puts persistant var 0 and 1 as word on the stack 16:00:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 16:01:00 <andythenorth> cool, I'll try it now 16:05:29 <andythenorth> oh. it really is time for a new grfcodec for me :( 16:05:39 <andythenorth> planetmaker... 16:05:40 <andythenorth> :P 16:05:49 * andythenorth download time 16:08:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I can't find grfcodec page on the devzone? 16:08:48 <planetmaker> andythenorth: http://www.openttd.org/download-grfcodec 16:08:56 <planetmaker> andythenorth: http://www.openttd.org/download-nforenum 16:09:01 <andythenorth> :D 16:09:01 <planetmaker> ^ nightlies of both 16:09:45 <andythenorth> planetmaker: remind me, where do I put them on a mac? /bin ? 16:10:00 <frosch123> hmm, planetmaker: how often did you quote those two links in the last 7 days? 16:10:13 <planetmaker> frosch123: dunno. countless times 16:10:27 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I'd put them in /usr/bin 16:10:36 <planetmaker> or in /usr/local/bin 16:10:46 <planetmaker> dunno if the latter is in the search path by default 16:11:28 * frosch123 has symbolic links from /usr/local/bin to the checkout 16:11:42 <planetmaker> frosch123: :-) 16:11:47 * planetmaker has that, too 16:12:19 * andythenorth wanted that too, but couldn't work it out...which is why I hadn't bothered updating 16:12:23 <andythenorth> a problem for another day 16:15:08 <planetmaker> andythenorth: if you download it always to the same location: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/renum /Users/<your-login>/path/to/renum 16:20:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker: mac version of grfcodec working flawlessly 16:20:16 <planetmaker> I know :-) 16:20:26 <andythenorth> renum not so happy...it will be a local config issue, but I'm deep in nfo 16:20:38 <planetmaker> what does "not so happy" mean? 16:20:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:08 <planetmaker> hm... how do I tell configure to NOT use CXXFLAGS=-std=gnu++0x ? 16:21:37 <andythenorth> planetmaker 'not so happy' means...didn't work 16:21:56 <planetmaker> hm, strange. Mine works. But then I've built it myself 16:22:04 <andythenorth> NFORenum v3.4.6 r2251 - Copyright 2004-2009 Dale McCoy. 16:22:04 <andythenorth> Could not open output file "sprites/firs.nfo.new" for input "sprites/firs.nfo". 16:22:05 <andythenorth> make: [sprites/firs.nfo] Error 6 (ignored) 16:22:54 <planetmaker> that doesn't look like a renum error 16:23:20 <planetmaker> well... I've seen similar somewhen... 16:23:27 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you don't, why would you? 16:23:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium: what do you mean? 16:24:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you certainly have write permission in the sprite dir, do you? 16:24:36 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you don't remove -std=gnu++0x from CXXFLAGS 16:24:52 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'm knee deep in text control chars :D I'll check in a bit 16:24:57 <planetmaker> Ah. Yes, I would like to: cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=gnu++0x" 16:25:08 <planetmaker> ^ that's what our IS2 server tells me when I try to compile 16:25:18 <planetmaker> gcc 4.4 on suse linux 16:25:41 <Rubidium> then suse broke gcc 16:25:52 <Rubidium> and you'll have to remove the lines that add it from configure 16:25:59 <planetmaker> hm 16:26:09 <Rubidium> gcc 4.3 and higher have that command line option according to my man page 16:26:10 <planetmaker> since when is this added to configure? 16:26:24 <Rubidium> a while ago 16:26:35 <Rubidium> use svn praise to find out when exactly 16:30:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: your code worked perfectly :) 16:30:59 <andythenorth> thanks 16:31:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but I didn't add much code, did I? 16:31:24 <andythenorth> oops 16:31:26 * planetmaker wonders :-) 16:31:32 <andythenorth> frosch123: your code worked perfectly :) 16:31:43 <andythenorth> although putting 3 words into 2 dword registers, then printing them with the correct control codes made my brain hurt 16:31:43 <planetmaker> :-P 16:31:51 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:55 <frosch123> :p 16:32:08 <andythenorth> B B C 16:32:11 <andythenorth> took a bit of though 16:32:11 <andythenorth> t 16:32:48 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest308 16:32:50 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:35:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:36:07 <andythenorth> actually C C B if anyone cares! 16:37:44 *** Guest308 [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 16:45:23 <andythenorth> awesome, I now have potentially double the amount of debug information 16:45:40 <andythenorth> and a new grfcodec that understands escapes 16:45:47 <andythenorth> is it christmas already? :) 16:47:12 <frosch123> you can even teach it new escapes now :p (though i never tried) 16:47:58 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest309 16:48:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:53:11 <andythenorth> unexpected...hmm. Is there a persistent register 0x00 16:53:11 <andythenorth> ? 16:53:39 *** Guest309 [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:50 <Rubidium> yup 16:54:24 <andythenorth> my bad then 16:56:57 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.30.178] has left #openttd [] 16:58:12 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:38 *** Dr_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0C37A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:05:33 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:33 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 17:08:49 <andythenorth> writing nfo with some at least *some* debug is almost fun 17:08:57 <andythenorth> less of a black box :) 17:21:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.78.217.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:35 <frosch123> uhm, someone knows whether planes refitted to tourists carry mail in ttdp 17:23:14 <glx> probably not 17:23:31 <glx> but I don't know :) 17:23:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.128.226] has joined #openttd 17:23:39 <glx> it's just a guess 17:25:51 * frosch123 wonders whether joining #tycoon would be of any use, or whether it would just be annoying 17:26:44 <TrueBrain> frosch123: more annoying than being here? :) 17:27:39 <frosch123> it is never annoying when you are here. no idea why 17:27:54 <TrueBrain> I dunno if I have to say thank you, or sorry .. :p 17:28:17 <SmatZ> how hard it would be to make this place annoying? 17:28:29 <TrueBrain> is yorick here? :p 17:28:31 <SmatZ> maybe kick for asking questions 17:28:32 * TrueBrain hugs yorick :) 17:28:34 <SmatZ> :-) 17:28:56 <TrueBrain> better yet, kick for answering them :p 17:28:58 *** kieran491 [~kieran@c114-77-12-55.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 17:28:58 <frosch123> @seen yorick 17:28:58 <DorpsGek> frosch123: yorick was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <yorick> hello 17:29:11 <frosch123> oh, he was even here 17:29:12 <SmatZ> :-D @ kieran491 17:29:18 <SmatZ> it became annoying for him here :-p 17:29:26 <SmatZ> @whois kieran491 17:29:32 <TrueBrain> @seen kieran491 17:29:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: kieran491 was last seen in #openttd 13 hours, 24 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <kieran491> What are some good extension to openTTD to make the game more challenging and intresting? 17:30:17 <Alberth> not a man of many words 17:30:31 <Alberth> s/words/sentences/ 17:31:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.128.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.70.189] has joined #openttd 17:32:07 <andythenorth> if using the production callback, what happens if more than 65k of cargo is delivered? Does cargo waiting overflow to a negative amount? 17:32:36 <frosch123> no, it is clamped 17:32:51 *** pyhfol [~w0lv3n@203-206-44-68.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:32:53 <Alberth> andythenorth: you have a 17 bit value? 17:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause> surplus cargo is thrown away, but still paid for 17:33:01 <SmatZ> not paid for 17:33:05 <SmatZ> just thrown away 17:33:17 <SmatZ> hmm someone(tm) should finish the work 17:33:23 <SmatZ> and let it return to unloading vehicle 17:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it should be... 17:34:07 <pyhfol> gday all 17:34:08 <Alberth> SmatZ: nah, just extend it to 32 bit :p 17:34:15 <SmatZ> hehe 17:34:20 <Alberth> pyhfol: hello 17:34:21 <TrueBrain> and a good day to you too pyhfol 17:34:29 <SmatZ> well callback can stop accepting cargo "anytime" 17:34:33 <pyhfol> quick question - is it possible to connect to a dedicated server from the same network as the host? 17:34:36 <SmatZ> evening pyhfol 17:34:54 <SmatZ> ottd can bind on multiple addresses afaik 17:35:20 <andythenorth> I don't really care if 65k is the cap, as long as it doesn't overflow to negative :) 17:35:24 <Rubidium> SmatZ: trunk yes, 0.7 only via 0.0.0.0 17:35:24 <pyhfol> sorry i should clarify 17:35:29 <andythenorth> It's an *insane* amount of cargo anyway 17:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: but this is not about stopping acceptance, it is about having more input than can ever be processed 17:35:43 <pyhfol> the dedicated is to be accessible via the net also 17:36:00 <Alberth> andythenorth: if it overflows to negative, it happens at 32768 with 16 bit 17:36:10 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, internally it's both done in one function 17:36:26 <Rubidium> pyhfol: you're using some DSL/Cable modem/router, right? 17:36:33 <pyhfol> roger 17:36:42 <andythenorth> yep, wiki says ~32k for input cargo 17:36:51 <Rubidium> in that case enter the IP in "Add server" 17:36:56 <pyhfol> home network, broadcasting the ded server for everyone else, but unable to play from my other pc 17:37:13 <pyhfol> in the network config? *looks* 17:37:15 <frosch123> andythenorth: it only says you cannot process more than 32k at once 17:37:29 <Rubidium> pyhfol: no, in the multiplayer window 17:37:46 <Rubidium> as in start OpenTTD -> Multiplayer -> Add server 17:37:51 <andythenorth> frosch123: oh well that would be fine too 17:37:51 <pyhfol> just the lan ip? *tries both* 17:37:59 <Rubidium> yes, the internal IP 17:38:18 <andythenorth> actually it might not be fine 17:38:49 <Rubidium> 'cause most DSL/Cable modems/routers can't/won't forward packets coming from the internal network via the external IP back to an internal IP, which is basically what happens when you 'Find servers' 17:39:07 <Alberth> rocks are very heavy, 32k is not that much? 17:39:11 <pyhfol> yeah i figured as much, still no joy 17:39:14 <pyhfol> let me fiddle 17:39:27 <andythenorth> Alberth: :P 17:39:57 <Rubidium> did you set a different port or so? 17:40:02 <andythenorth> just trying to make sure I don't get myself into a confuddle with hex maths 17:40:08 <pyhfol> Rubidium: do i need to bind the dedicated to the internal ip? 17:40:36 <pyhfol> ports are set and forwarded. I can see the server listed, just cant connect, from any pc or os 17:40:41 <Rubidium> pyhfol: it only has one (internal) IP I reckon 17:41:10 <pyhfol> but is it listening for internal connections? 17:41:11 <Rubidium> unless you have a fancy network layout and then I'm not very useful 17:41:18 <andythenorth> So if more than 32k cargo is waiting (call that n), and I do min(n,21k), there is no chance I'll get n instead of 21k due to overflow into negative? 17:41:46 <pyhfol> nah, just run o the mill 17:41:51 <Rubidium> pyhfol: that depends on the network layout you've got, but generally if you do not bind to an IP OpenTTD listens on all ports 17:42:20 <pyhfol> hmmmmmm *fiddles* 17:42:22 <Rubidium> s/ports/ips/ 17:43:41 <frosch123> andythenorth: hmm, actualy the negative input might now work in ottd 17:43:50 <frosch123> s/now/not/ 17:44:39 <frosch123> well, it works when registers are used, and they are 32bit anyway 17:45:26 <pyhfol> back, still nothing 17:45:28 <andythenorth> frosch123: does that affect the min(n,21k) case I gave above? 17:45:42 <frosch123> if you use dword access, everything should be fine 17:45:56 <frosch123> and you need the signed min of course 17:49:06 <pyhfol> Rubidium: any other ideas? 17:51:21 <Alberth> pyhfol: you are listening at 0.0.0.0 for openttd 0.7? 17:52:41 <Alberth> otherwise a firewall may block lan traffic 17:54:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.70.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:38 <pyhfol> Tried on several PC's, one linux, one win firewalls on neither 17:55:07 <pyhfol> the binded ip in the network config is 0.0.0.0 17:55:21 <pyhfol> and yes, running 0.7.3 17:55:27 <Alberth> ok, so that should not be the problem :) 17:55:33 <pyhfol> :) 17:55:46 <Alberth> you enabled both udp and tcp? 17:55:53 <pyhfol> i was gonna cry if what rudi had said before was going to work 17:55:54 <Alberth> otherwise I am fresh out of ideas 17:56:02 <pyhfol> yeah, both tcp n udp forwarded 17:56:25 <pyhfol> even tried putting the host into DMZ 17:56:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.25.222.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:03 <pyhfol> its clearly a networking issue that im either to stupid to figure out or too blind to see 17:57:21 <pyhfol> meanwhile, my cousin is in the game and no doubt monopolised me now 17:57:24 <pyhfol> :P 17:57:40 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:57:50 <Alberth> you could try localhost 17:57:54 <SHADOW-XIII> hi guys 17:58:08 <pyhfol> hey 17:58:10 <SHADOW-XIII> looking for OTTD icons in SVG format (or 128/256px PNG/ICO) 17:58:20 <pyhfol> Alb - in what regard? 17:58:41 <Alberth> run a OpenTTD client at the server 17:58:47 <pyhfol> yeah 17:58:52 <pyhfol> ive been doing that 17:59:07 <pyhfol> just a pain in the ass 17:59:08 <pyhfol> lol 17:59:18 <pyhfol> i rather cmd prompt to gui :P 17:59:29 <SHADOW-XIII> anyone knows where I can download those OTTD icons: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=165631#p165631 17:59:50 <Rubidium> SHADOW-XIII: tried the media directory of a trunk checkout? 17:59:56 <Rubidium> pyhfol: got no ideas for you anymore 18:00:39 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 18:00:46 <SHADOW-XIII> @Rubidium: but in the trunk will be not those from morphium 18:01:01 <Alberth> so PM him 18:01:13 <Rubidium> SHADOW-XIII: then I have no clue; wasn't around back then 18:01:29 <Rubidium> haven't even heard of that guy 18:01:33 <Rubidium> until now at least 18:01:44 <SHADOW-XIII> he had 3 posts in 2004 18:01:49 <SHADOW-XIII> but icons are awesome 18:02:39 <TrueBrain> why do you want 'OpenTTD' icons which are not the official OpenTTD icons? 18:02:56 <pyhfol> to be cool 18:02:58 <pyhfol> why else 18:03:09 <TrueBrain> silly people :) 18:03:13 <pyhfol> lol 18:03:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:48 <andythenorth> I want to divide one constant by another in advanced varaction 2 18:04:00 <andythenorth> I've started... 18:04:00 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/217556 18:04:38 <SmatZ> @seen yorick 18:04:38 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: yorick was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <yorick> hello 18:04:51 <andythenorth> I need operator 06 18:04:55 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: still the same ;) 18:05:42 <TrueBrain> LOL! I put on the movie: 2012 Supernova .... I am already regretting it .. the intro already contains more than one flaw :p 18:06:26 <TrueBrain> things like 'fire' explosions in space .. supernova means a BIG explosion of a 'planet' like thingy (it does not) ... this is going to be fun :) 18:07:05 <andythenorth> result :) http://paste.openttd.org/217557 18:07:22 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: well... if you're going to complain... *any* sci-fi to do with space in any way is flawed (sound in a vacuum?) 18:07:47 <TrueBrain> well, to say ANY sci-fi has sound in vacuum is a bit overgenerlized 18:07:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:13 <TrueBrain> and there are gradations of errors .. if you make a movie about a supernovea, at least make it like what it does and should do ... 18:08:24 <Rubidium> name me a few that don't 18:08:41 <TrueBrain> Stargate Universe 18:08:46 <TrueBrain> Sliders 18:09:10 <TrueBrain> although the first is a serie (the second both a serie and a movie) 18:09:25 <pyhfol> ahhhh Sliders 18:09:27 <pyhfol> gold 18:09:30 <pyhfol> pure, gold 18:10:16 <TrueBrain> that it was ... that it was .. 18:10:24 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:42 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: SGU episode 5, 33:37 Q.E.D. 18:10:51 <SHADOW-XIV> havent seen it yet 18:10:55 <pyhfol> Yahtzee 18:10:57 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: they are never in space, so ... 18:11:05 <pyhfol> I am a moron! 18:11:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i was watching stargate earlier, it's totally stupid this episode... 18:11:25 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: predictable with a big P 18:11:52 <pyhfol> for my problem earlier - i wasnt adding a port to the ip on adding server, and thus it was adding the default, but my dedicated has a custom 18:12:02 <TrueBrain> LOL @ pyhfol 18:12:05 <TrueBrain> a bit silly ;) 18:12:14 <pyhfol> thanks all, in particular Rubi who made me see the obvious 18:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and over the last few seasons, stargate was more and more "in space" 18:12:15 <pyhfol> lol 18:12:30 <pyhfol> Stargate universe? i havent watched any, is it any good? 18:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> too early to tell... 18:12:48 <TrueBrain> if you like Grey's Anatomy or Defying Gravity, yes it is 18:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that last episode tending on the bad side 18:12:59 *** Default__ is now known as APTX 18:13:33 <pyhfol> hmmm, ill not bother then 18:14:04 <pyhfol> i thought they began to lose it after oneil left in sg1, then atlantis came along, which wasnt bad, but after that it all went to shit 18:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> atlantis started way earlier than o'neill leaving 18:15:50 <pyhfol> oh yeah it did. 18:16:03 <pyhfol> how about in between lol :P 18:16:08 <Eddi|zuHause> atlantis was good, yes 18:16:12 <pyhfol> its been that long since i watched em anyway 18:16:18 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.25.222.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so you didn't watch the atlantis finale yet? 18:16:41 <pyhfol> only just got net back and when you live in aus theres only 2 ways to watch em 18:16:51 <pyhfol> nah havent watched any of it for a while 18:17:00 <pyhfol> foxtel or torrent lol 18:17:09 <TrueBrain> try usenet 18:17:19 <pyhfol> or usenet 18:17:41 <pyhfol> but both torrent and usenet require internet lol, which i didnt have again till recently 18:18:11 <pyhfol> anyone else here from aus? 18:18:11 <TrueBrain> whoho, they got a fact right! 18:23:57 <TrueBrain> whoho, another fact! 18:25:00 <Eddi|zuHause> something they got wrong, their "trajectory" is completely straight ahead... 18:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and like rubidium said, wait until you get to the last 10 minutes... 18:26:52 <TrueBrain> I was talking about 2012 supernova, you got that, right? SGUs end is just too stupid to be true ... 18:27:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17855 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove or move var declarations in DrawVehicleRefitWindow(). 18:29:54 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, no, i missed that 18:35:02 <TrueBrain> :) 18:35:30 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:47 <TrueBrain> okay .. that really was once again one of the worst movies I have seen in ages :p 18:36:08 <TrueBrain> and the annoying SHADOW-XIII returned .. with his endless joins and leaves 18:36:55 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:35 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17856 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Don't get the selected cargo as a sife effect of drawing. 18:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> well, luckily it always correlates to SHADOW-XIV leaving :p 18:43:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00ad0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 18:43:38 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 18:43:58 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:58 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 18:50:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:33 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17857 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_industries.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h): -Fix (r10442): [NewGRF] 'subtract-in' is also signed for production callback version 0. 18:52:03 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, THE BEST ! - http://miranda-im.org] 18:53:40 <pyhfol> night all 18:54:26 <Alberth> night 18:55:11 *** pyhfol [~w0lv3n@203-206-44-68.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #openttd [] 19:05:03 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 19:11:18 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.164.17] has joined #openttd 19:15:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has joined #openttd 19:16:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17858 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Unindent some code. 19:16:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:47 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:20:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.191.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:55 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.149.208.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:05 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17859 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the fund/build/prospect industry window nested 19:37:43 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 19:38:55 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [] 19:41:06 <dihedral> hehe 19:41:16 * dihedral just read the fs task on hp != ps 19:41:20 <dihedral> mb suketh 19:47:48 <andythenorth> hmm 19:48:06 <andythenorth> some flyspray requests are kind of fun and strange 19:49:05 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:50:51 <andythenorth> maybe I should flyspray my favourite feature request... 19:51:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth: not much point, I think 19:51:11 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=42440 19:51:11 <frosch123> "code firs for me" 19:51:19 <frosch123> more? 19:51:21 <andythenorth> :P 19:52:10 <planetmaker> quoting you: - provide a patch for it ourselves 19:52:12 <planetmaker> - or entice another dev to do so 19:52:26 <planetmaker> if not a) or b) there's not much point IMO 19:52:35 <planetmaker> and for b) there's no point either ;-) 19:53:06 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:54:08 <andythenorth> frosch123: I've just used / and * without any training wheels 19:54:11 <andythenorth> worked first time 19:54:47 * planetmaker pats andythenorth on the shoulder 19:54:53 <andythenorth> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1hHd854OE_U/SnXzZc8axPI/AAAAAAAAI4U/uml0ECvaG2c/s320/No+training+wheels+(3).jpg 19:54:55 <planetmaker> ;-) 19:56:41 <planetmaker> he... frosch123, did andy entice you to look at newgrf maths? (Looking at r17857) 19:57:16 <frosch123> andy always points me to some bugs 19:57:43 <planetmaker> :-) 19:59:08 <andythenorth> 'fields' and forests and such would be cool no? 19:59:34 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.62.107] has joined #openttd 19:59:34 <frosch123> sure, but not something for a weekend, and so nothing for me 19:59:43 <andythenorth> :) 19:59:52 <planetmaker> he 20:00:09 <planetmaker> a pity :-) 20:00:09 <violetblood> hi 20:00:23 <planetmaker> ho 20:00:42 <andythenorth> hi hi 20:00:46 <violetblood> I would like to buy a hamnmbunger 20:00:46 * frosch123 waits for the "h?" 20:00:56 <violetblood> ?? 20:01:18 <planetmaker> hmnmbunger are out of stock 20:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> h?? 20:01:21 <andythenorth> there is no hamnmbunger here 20:01:32 <andythenorth> pick up hamnmbunger 20:02:19 <andythenorth> planetmaker / anyone? so I'm coding FIRS to support insane cargo input levels 20:02:29 <andythenorth> for you crazy coop people and other maglev-abusers 20:02:41 <andythenorth> but just how am I going to test the code works? 20:02:48 <planetmaker> andythenorth: apropos: care to upload an updated version / newer nightly to bananas? 20:02:57 <andythenorth> no, they are all broken 20:03:00 <andythenorth> :{ 20:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that's certainly not addressing me... 20:03:06 <frosch123> andythenorth: you will only boost fish usage that way 20:03:08 <planetmaker> I just thought today to give your grf a test on one of our servers 20:03:16 <andythenorth> broken broken 20:03:22 <planetmaker> haha @ frosch123 20:03:40 <planetmaker> I guess that's ... a shameless plug. I like that prod. levels, though 20:03:49 <andythenorth> just how do I drop in 65535 units of cargo? It has too arrive in between two production callbacks... 20:04:04 <andythenorth> I really can't be bothered to set up a test for that 20:04:15 <andythenorth> can we just code review and say 'well it looks like it will work'? 20:04:17 <planetmaker> andythenorth: so... what can we do for you, if we have no working grf? 20:04:31 <andythenorth> meh 20:04:44 <andythenorth> give me a bit longer...grf will arrive 20:04:54 <andythenorth> meanwhile, templating would be *unbelievably* useful 20:05:05 <planetmaker> well... I'm not proficient enough with that kind of nfo code to do a thorough review 20:05:26 <planetmaker> I just saw your screenies and went 'wow' at the production levels 20:05:43 <planetmaker> He, templates, yes. 20:06:05 <planetmaker> First task (for me): rename STR_TYPE_WHATEVER into STRID_TYPE_WHATEVER 20:06:15 <violetblood> hi 20:06:25 <planetmaker> so that STR_TYPE_WHATEVER can actually be used to define the strings themselves instead of the IDs for the strings 20:06:26 <violetblood> anyone mind showing me some nice curve junctions? 20:06:34 <planetmaker> violetblood: hi again. We didn't leave 20:06:41 <StarLionIsaac> violetblood: depends what you mean by nice curve 20:06:43 <andythenorth> planetmaker: are you ok to do that work? 20:06:54 <andythenorth> planetmaker: >> devzone 20:06:56 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it's boring but simple 20:07:08 <frosch123> StarLionIsaac: this is not #tycoon 20:07:26 <violetblood> star 20:07:28 <violetblood> like 20:07:28 <StarLionIsaac> eh, so I forgot to check what channel I'm on 20:07:54 <andythenorth> omg I just used < *without* having to look it up first. 20:08:19 <frosch123> it's "min", right? 20:08:38 <frosch123> hmm, signed, right? 20:09:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:10:19 <planetmaker> violetblood: did you look at the wiki? 20:10:26 <violetblood> yes 20:10:34 <violetblood> didn't found anything helpfull for what i need 20:10:48 <planetmaker> or maybe you care to browse our savegame archive: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive 20:11:00 <planetmaker> or the wiki where that archive is hosted. 20:11:06 <planetmaker> It has a few examples, too 20:12:24 *** nicfer1 [~usuario@190.50.36.254] has joined #openttd 20:12:34 <nicfer1> hi 20:12:37 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Junctionary_-_All 20:13:03 <frosch123> "junctionary" is a nice term :) 20:14:07 <planetmaker> :-) 20:15:22 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:16:35 <nicfer1> I'm wondering if would be possible to create an special grf type that acts like a container of other grf files 20:17:10 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:17:30 <DaleStan> Unlikely. 20:17:33 <DaleStan> Also, why? 20:17:40 <frosch123> there are newgrf presets, if you want more than 60 it is your fault 20:22:54 <nicfer1> hmmm... then, how about an icon somewhere on the start screen that changes your active grf files? 20:23:24 <DaleStan> You mean like the one that says "NewGRF Settings"? 20:24:51 <Rhamphoryncus> I've noticed that a lot of people seem to use very short trains. Is there a reason for this? Fitting into junctions maybe? 20:25:18 <frosch123> they load faster, load more regulary, and so provide better service 20:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the longer the train the more interference when they actually cross paths 20:26:29 <frosch123> a train should not wait longer for full load than it needs to travel to the destination 20:26:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17860 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Refit window uses pure nested widgets. 20:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a side effect of the exceptionally short signal distances, the trains should get shorter as well 20:26:49 <Rhamphoryncus> frosch123: I thought loading would scale with the number of cars, so long as the station's long enough? 20:27:17 <frosch123> Rhamphoryncus: ok, replace loading time, by time needed to produce the cargo 20:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Rhamphoryncus: yes, but that assumes that there is a large pile available 20:27:27 <CaptObvious> bah, there's always too much water even though it's on the lowest 20:28:07 <Rhamphoryncus> Okay, so rather than have 2 trains with 8 cars you'd rather have 4 trains with 4 cars 20:28:24 <frosch123> depends on distance and output 20:28:33 <Rhamphoryncus> Because the game favours short wait times 20:28:39 <Rhamphoryncus> Is there some ideal wait time factor? 20:29:00 *** thisismyname [~chatzilla@77.51.84.227] has joined #openttd 20:29:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17861 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17860): max(uint, int) does not exist. 20:29:20 <frosch123> well, afaik what counts is the time from production until delivery 20:29:22 <Alberth> Rhamphoryncus: of course there is, there is always an optimum 20:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think the loading time matters that much, but for busy main lines, there is a tradeoff between train length and line capacity 20:29:46 <frosch123> cargo should not wait most of the time for other cargo to load 20:30:26 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: but then longer trains are better 20:31:21 <Rhamphoryncus> Also acceleration time I assume. In real life a long train will get a long path allocated so it doesn't have to stop and start much. In openttd it's more erratic, and a small train can get up to speed quickly. Also, with realistic acceleration it's less affected by close turns 20:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: like i said, longer trains => higher chance that a train has to stop at a busy junction 20:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> not even speaking about acceleration of longer trains 20:32:20 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: no, longer trains -> less trains needed over all -> less inter-train space -> more cargo on the same amount of tracks 20:33:19 <frosch123> a train with 4 engines and 16 wagons still needs less space than 4 trains with 1 engine and 4 wagons each 20:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly: less inter-train space means less "gaps" for a train entering a main line, so trains are more likely to have a full stop 20:33:39 <Rhamphoryncus> The main thing I've focused on thus far is to have the loading train be 90-95% full when the next train comes in, so there's no cargo building in the station 20:34:31 <nicfer1> with that button I meant something faster, having to disable grfs one by one is kinda slow 20:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> longer trains perform better on a straight line, but worse at junctions 20:35:02 <nicfer1> my idea is to have a button that toggles two or more grfs at once 20:35:18 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: imo that long-enough gap only suggests to use trains of equal length 20:35:40 <frosch123> but the probabilty for a full stop is not changed 20:36:22 <StarLionIsaac> nicfer1: why not use the presets? They store the state of an entire newgrf list 20:37:13 <frosch123> nicfer1: of course you could also code some small patch which adds or removes the grfs of a preset to the list without replacing the whole, so you can use presets for subsets of grfs 20:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the newgrf window is in desperate need for improvement 20:37:36 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 20:37:48 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i am happy with it since i can filter for filename 20:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> like recently, i wanted to add the ECS grfs to a preset 20:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and i had to open the "add" window, and reenter the filter again for every single one 20:38:46 <StarLionIsaac> if an update was made to the newGRF GUI patch, that included the new features such as the string search, it would fix that 20:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> because (still) the add window closes every time you select a grf, and you can't select multiple grfs 20:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an extremely tedious job 20:39:48 <Rhamphoryncus> I wonder if broken down trains are less of an issue if they're short. Less likely to tie up a junction? 20:39:53 <StarLionIsaac> well, then all you need is to add the string search to the top of the add part of the newgrf GUI, which doesn't close 20:40:00 <nicfer1> the options/difficulty/'advanced' menus should be reorganized also 20:40:10 <StarLionIsaac> that way, it'd still remain, the string theoretically should stay, and the list should remain filtered 20:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> also it would be useful if you add a grf with a grf-id that is already present, it should ask you if you want to replace it 20:40:53 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.230.230] has joined #openttd 20:41:18 <frosch123> hmm, the last part should be easier 20:41:22 <nicfer1> I propose merge them in one bigger menu called 'options' 20:41:33 <StarLionIsaac> that would be very useful, like when you need to upgrade from an old ECS grf to a new one 20:42:53 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:05 *** helb_ is now known as helb 20:45:18 <frosch123> hmm, except ottd has no modal windows 20:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the question that asks if you want to exit the game? or the confirmation to sell all vehicles? 20:46:35 <frosch123> yes, but they are not modal 20:46:56 <frosch123> hmm, they are 20:47:10 <frosch123> how does that work :o 20:48:50 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:59 <_ln> k?nnte etwas gr?sser sein 20:49:13 <frosch123> this is not #tycoon 20:49:35 <Prof_Frink> Das ist verboten. 20:49:43 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:43 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 20:53:04 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.164.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.149.208.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:48 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.86.19] has joined #openttd 21:03:25 <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: I have a solution to your ECS grfs problem 21:03:30 <andythenorth_> but it's kinda lateral... 21:03:36 <andythenorth_> and comes in just one grf :) 21:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 21:03:47 <andythenorth_> question....I suppose divide by zero works about as well in nfo as other common languages? 21:03:59 <Alberth> nicfer1: you're not the first person with that idea. You can be the first that implements it. 21:05:47 <DaleStan> Don't do it. I know TTDPatch won't blow up (Dunno about Open), but the results are undefined (even if they are predictable). If you don't need the divide, divide by 1 instead, which is special-cased to skip the div. 21:05:53 *** _Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 21:06:08 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:38 <TrueBrain> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/epic-fail-duck-ad-placement.jpg <- I just LOVE wrongly placed ads :) 21:07:34 <Sacro> i love you <3 21:08:04 <andythenorth_> DaleStan: thanks 21:08:11 <Prof_Frink> Duck! 21:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> And Cover! 21:08:42 <Prof_Frink> Duck duck duck. 21:08:48 <andythenorth_> meanwhile, back at the ranch 21:08:53 <andythenorth_> I have to refresh my newgrfs about 40 times an hour when I'm coding 21:09:01 <andythenorth_> and I code for 10 hours a day at the weekend... 21:09:12 <andythenorth_> lot of refreshes...I am so sick of clicking that button 21:09:17 <andythenorth_> "Apply Changes" 21:09:24 <andythenorth_> it's right next to "Find missing content online" as well 21:09:31 <andythenorth_> which I hit about 1 in 4 times....grrr 21:09:52 <TrueBrain> that is kind of stupid, that after plenty of clicks on the same buttons, you still manage to miss them :p 21:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> shall make the button bigger? or coloured? 21:10:39 <_ln> TrueBrain: even the disease description itself is hilarious :) 21:10:53 <Prof_Frink> Duck. 21:10:54 <andythenorth_> TrueBrain: I know, I'm just dumb... 21:11:08 <andythenorth_> but it's the duck watching me that causes me to miss 21:11:09 <TrueBrain> well, normally people condition faster :p 21:11:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17862 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use edge positions of the matrix widget in DrawVehicleRefitWindow. 21:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i misclick buttons all the time... 21:12:26 <TrueBrain> I tried that excuse when I kicked yet another person .. nobody bought it :( 21:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i mis"click" the left mouse button :p 21:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and hit the right one instead ;) 21:12:47 *** Splex 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<TrueBrain> ghehe, effcieint too ;) 21:21:01 <frosch123> or if (_networking) ShowErrorMessage(INVALID_STRING_ID, STR_STUPID_USER, 0, 0); 21:21:05 <TrueBrain> I have been working on 16bit apps lately, they allow such actions :p 21:21:27 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 21:21:34 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.164.17] has joined #openttd 21:21:36 <frosch123> is that specific to 16bit? 21:21:40 <TrueBrain> no 21:21:43 <frosch123> :p 21:21:45 <TrueBrain> they just don't have code-pages yet 21:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> how's the game going, anyway? 21:22:06 <TrueBrain> it runs, and it runs good :) 21:23:36 *** boekabart [~boekabart@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:38 <andythenorth_> frosch123: patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line 21:23:39 <andythenorth_> Hunk #2 succeeded at 279 with fuzz 1. 21:24:02 *** boekabart [~boekabart@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:24:33 <frosch123> do you have unix2dos? 21:24:48 <frosch123> then try "unix2dos <the file>" 21:32:23 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/foreddi.diff <- can you please clean that up wrt. leakiness and maybe crashiness and then post it to fs :p 21:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> since when am i the cleaning up kind? 21:34:17 <TrueBrain> you don't like the promotion? 21:34:35 <frosch123> you are always at home, what should you do there elsewise? 21:36:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227079216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 21:36:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227079216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> why's the function static if you need access to "this"? 21:39:18 <frosch123> because it passed as function pointer to ShowQuery 21:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause> strgen gets very noisy ;) 21:40:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can't pass non-static (possibly virtual) functions as pointer? 21:40:35 <frosch123> well, where shall ShowQuery get the "this" from? 21:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you're probably right... 21:42:02 <frosch123> pascal has some function of objects with is basically a struct of this and function pointer 21:42:52 <frosch123> but you would still need another function than ShowQuery 21:42:54 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.164.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* don't press [Esc]:wq in kate... 21:45:08 <frosch123> vimness is a dangerous disease, be careful about it, don't leave house... 21:46:10 <frosch123> you might start to think an editor *needs* a special command to start editing 21:46:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not in that stage yet, i guess i'm lucky 21:47:20 <andythenorth_> frosch123: f12 :D 21:47:35 <frosch123> :p 21:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> funny... konqueror crashes when i open the text file links... 21:55:53 *** YoG_ [~chatzilla@bzq-79-178-100-188.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 21:59:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-18-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:57 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looking at registers 22:28:12 <andythenorth_> it won't use persistent registers 22:28:31 <andythenorth_> that'll teach me the wrongs of top-down coding or whatever it's called 22:28:35 <andythenorth_> :| 22:28:37 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:40 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:12 <andythenorth_> it's not exactly compatible with my magic debugger either :P 22:29:19 <andythenorth_> but is easy to fix 22:30:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 22:31:22 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:24 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:31 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:41 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:19 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.62.107] 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