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00:00:08 <frosch123> "Hintergrundinformationen zum Berufsbild des Sprengmeisters" <- top feature 00:00:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:44 <Prof_Frink> Das ist verboten. 00:08:17 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@56.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:48 <frosch123> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Wk3cFEgz0&NR=1 <- i just learned about a new genre of games 00:10:25 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1B7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2BBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:23:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:26 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 00:39:36 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:54 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:47:59 *** LadyHawk is now known as Guest3064 00:47:59 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 00:48:02 *** Guest3064 [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:06 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-2-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:53 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-25-160.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:11:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 01:22:57 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 01:24:05 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 01:29:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:02 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:57 *** Katje [~Kitty@tao.quixotic.eu] has joined #openttd 01:51:44 <Katje> is this the right channel for the open transport tycoon ? 02:02:54 <fjb> Most people in here think so. The topic is a strong hint. 02:03:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB123.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:41 <Katje> excellent 02:04:10 <Katje> any idea why the price of a ship is showing up as over 3 mil, when the screen shots on the website indicate that it should be nearer 33k ? 02:04:58 <fjb> In which year did the game start an what year is it now? 02:06:09 <Katje> 2074, 02:06:12 <Katje> and what ever the default is 02:06:22 <Katje> currently 2074 02:06:32 <fjb> Then it is probably caused by infation. 02:06:41 <fjb> inflation 02:08:56 <Katje> ah 02:09:06 <Katje> all the oil rigs/oil fields have dissappeared 02:09:12 <Katje> leaving me with only offshore stuff 02:09:18 <Katje> erm, oil wells/oil fields, even 02:09:24 <fjb> You can disable inflation in the settings. 02:09:29 <Katje> but I can't get any oil from them, as the ships are to expensive 02:09:47 <fjb> Oilfields tend to disappear. 02:10:05 <Katje> ok 02:10:20 <Katje> as a consiquence there is now only one oil refinery 02:10:26 <Katje> and it is on the other side of the map 02:10:48 <fjb> Depending on the game setting you can fund (or explore) new industries. 02:10:55 <Katje> ooh 02:11:02 <Katje> can you specify where they should be as well? 02:12:52 <fjb> When funding yes, when prospecting (depending on the settings you can either fund or explore primary industries or not) you can not chose where it will be. 02:13:03 <Katje> ok 02:17:38 <Katje> where are the funding/prospecting options? 02:19:41 <Katje> urgh, ships are now 11/10 mil each :o( 02:19:43 <Sacro> create a flag 02:19:46 <Sacro> build a path to it 02:19:51 <Sacro> send an explorer to said flag 02:21:07 <Katje> is there any way to control inflation ? 02:21:08 <fjb> You can fund new industries under the industry menu button. And the setting if funding is allowed is somewhere in the gamesetting. Don't know where at the moment, but you will find it. 02:21:31 <fjb> You can only enable or disable inflation. 02:22:09 <Katje> where is the setting for that? 02:23:03 <Katje> ahah, found it 02:23:07 <fjb> In the settings, somewhere under econimy. 02:26:14 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 02:39:47 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 03:04:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 03:06:36 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 03:06:54 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 03:11:26 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c716.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:11 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@w236-87-28-81.dynamic.aerea.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:52:34 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 03:57:36 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-25-160.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:03 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.188] has joined #openttd 04:12:19 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 04:21:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:11a0:94fe:bb70:867d] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:35:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 06:02:17 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-173-90.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:53:45 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:52 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 08:31:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE957a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:32:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:05 *** George3 is now known as George 08:46:41 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:25 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 09:00:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:03:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:02 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> why do the loading indicators not appear right after loadig the game? 09:13:41 <Rubidium> because they aren't saved in the savegame 09:14:12 <Rubidium> and nobody bothered to write a afterload procedure to turn them on 09:14:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.170.50] has joined #openttd 09:20:51 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@238.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:21:06 <Terkhen> good morning 09:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this is so ridiculous... i have a bus with running cost of 1.293DM/year, and it's making a loss of 520.140DM/year 09:26:44 <Rubidium> the joys of not using transfers in the 'right' way 09:29:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm using cargodist, and this line is probably heavily undercapacitated 09:33:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (is that a word?) 09:35:08 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:35:16 <fonsinchen> The problem is that some vehicles move people "back" on their way and thus get negative income. It's unavoidable though. 09:35:25 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: it fits in the definition "a sequence of letters" 09:36:06 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:36:24 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: i was thinking about an "adaptive" transfer factor, but i couldn't find a fully sensible solution 09:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, part of it is my network's fault 09:38:34 <fonsinchen> Fixing that is not trivial. You either have to get rid of transfers altogether or give the feeder share only when the cargo is delivered. 09:39:08 <fonsinchen> The latter option involves dragging around a list of vehicles for each cargo packet => ugly. 09:39:40 <fonsinchen> s/transfers/transfer payments/ 09:39:41 <Alberth> perhaps abstract away from individual vehicles? 09:40:03 <fonsinchen> Dragging around a list of links is not better 09:40:21 <Rubidium> Alberth: but then you don't know which vehicles are making a profit and which are not 09:43:44 <Alberth> True, but at a larger scale you are not interested in that bus, but in the line as a whole. (last month it transfered x,y,z cargo split over destinations a,b,c and made z money). Keep a record for each link, instead of moving it along with the cargo. 09:44:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the number of links might grow with O(n^2) in the number of stations 09:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> even worse, it can be multiple routes between two links 09:45:05 <Alberth> links where no vehicles drive between are 0 09:46:10 <Alberth> perhaps my use of 'link' is wrong 09:46:57 <fonsinchen> cargodist already keeps statistics for each link 09:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: imagine a star: station A is the center, and station B1..Bn are the outer ring, so you have n vehicle and (n-1)^2+n links 09:47:38 <fonsinchen> but they're only about number of transferred goods so far. You can see them in the smallmap 09:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: i don't know how old my version is, but the bars in the minimap are hardly interpretable... 09:48:50 <Alberth> For vehicles you don't care about b2->b3, you care about B2<->A and B3<->A where the vehicles ride between. 09:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... i need a "manage list" command like "split this list into shared timetables" 09:50:02 <fonsinchen> you can hover the mouse over the links to see the details in the legend 09:50:10 <fonsinchen> and you can switch to text display 09:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: yes, that is the current problem, the vehicle credits only count A<->Bk, but for Bi<->Bj you have a transfer, and thus get these kind of obscure losses 09:50:49 * Alberth knows 09:51:01 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: yes, but sometimes the bars are all white with a little red around them, sometimes they are all red with a little white around them... 09:51:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:14 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:52:32 <fonsinchen> they are stacked. The largest one is in the back, the smallest one in the front. You can switch them on and off individually using the legend. 09:53:12 <planetmaker> prop 21/21 (availability years): thos vars are really years and not days since year 0, right? 09:53:27 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejd20.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:56:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:56:03 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE957a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> take for example this one: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Paderborn%20Transport,%204.%20Jan%201959.png 09:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kinda difficult to read which links need improvement, and which do not... 10:00:16 <Rubidium> planetmaker: check the source! :) 10:00:43 <planetmaker> he :-) 10:04:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.51.71.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFAD11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:11 <pw--> http://www.doperoms.com/roms/microsoft_xbox/Xbox%2520Open%2520Transport%2520Tycoon.zip.html/115471/Xbox%20Open%20Transport%20Tycoon.zip.html 10:14:13 <pw--> win? 10:17:29 <Rubidium> probably not when looking at the file size 10:18:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.51.71.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:56 <Rubidium> for what it's worth: try finding a network server you can play on with that version 10:23:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.28.225.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:16 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:27:21 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.55] has joined #openttd 10:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and the game is not called "Open Transport Tycoon" 10:30:34 <Rubidium> actually... was it that way ~5 and a half year ago? 10:31:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.28.225.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i think i remember screenshots of the main window 10:34:07 *** lible [~lible@194.204.53.93] has joined #openttd 10:35:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.89.178.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.89.178.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.170.79] has joined #openttd 10:59:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18210 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: Child widgets always get the entire space in perpendicular direction of the container. 11:10:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18211 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Cleanup: remove unneeded tooltip, size and fill 'parameters' from WWT_RESIZEBOX instances 11:13:37 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* if you want to change a route of only one train, remove shared order list first 11:20:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18212 /trunk/src/ (18 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: remove unneeded 'parameters' for WWT_CAPTION, WWT_CLOSEBOX and WWT_STICKYBOX in the nested widget arrays 11:20:49 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d267.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:20 <_ln> yes, the title was "Open Transport Tycoon", but then it was (surprisingly) agreed on that Transport Tycoon is someone's registered trademark and therefore not good to use. 11:22:39 *** lible [~lible@194.204.53.93] has left #openttd [] 11:24:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18213 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: it's not needed to manually set the fill, (re)size and tooltip for scrollbars 11:24:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.170.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.113] has joined #openttd 11:40:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.26.102.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@56.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: keep the sticky setting when switching rail/road/whatever toolbar 12:00:43 *** lible [~lible@194.204.53.93] has joined #openttd 12:01:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.26.102.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.176.253.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:53 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c86f.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:08:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18214 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the AI config window big font aware 12:18:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18215 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the simple face window big font aware 12:23:48 <Alberth> as in shared between toolbars? 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14:52:43 <treve> what u mean with custom build 14:53:08 <treve> i dont speak englisch verry well 14:53:12 <Rubidium> the you need to modify OpenTTD's sources and compile that 14:53:55 <Rubidium> or in other words: that you cannot download it (a goal server) from the OpenTTD website 14:54:15 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@w236-87-28-81.dynamic.aerea.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:19 <treve> i was that far already (that it was not possible to download) 14:54:34 <treve> i am able to write a script saying hello when you join :D 14:54:41 <treve> but thats all 14:54:43 <treve> :? 14:55:23 <Ruudjah> I had this discussion a few days ago about the graphics project 14:55:47 <Ruudjah> where a devver 'complained' the graphics project is a big mess 14:55:47 <treve> but still i dont know what to do... 14:57:36 <treve> you need to modify OpenTTD's sources and compile that 14:57:37 <treve> ??? 14:57:50 <Rubidium> treve: sadly enough me neither; there is a bit of a lack of openness from the developers of goal servers (probably because they are scared that others are taking "their" players) 14:57:54 <Ruudjah> --> what about letting users .blend files upload to Bananas, make a script to automatically generate sprites from that? An automated renderer would standardize the rendering, giving artists the possibility to compare their rendering with the rest of the sprites 14:58:33 <treve> thats sad 14:58:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18227 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17676)[FS#3325]: GRF parameters and palette were no longer displayed in NewGRF gui. 14:58:42 <treve> because the idea of the growing script came from me 14:58:54 <treve> but i was totally unable to script the idea 14:58:58 <treve> so they took it and ran 14:59:08 <treve> but now they should share 14:59:22 <treve> looking almost 1y now for a stupid script 14:59:26 <Ruudjah> also, generation of a complete graphics set is possible from that, allowing a much better overview on what is done over the complete set and what the status is per sprite 14:59:37 <treve> something my users will be able to command !goal etc 15:00:01 <Ruudjah> treve: talk to Luukland 15:00:09 <Ruudjah> or muxy, or Goulp 15:00:42 <Ruudjah> #goulp 15:00:57 <Ruudjah> there are some guys developing a thing exactly like u want 15:02:01 <Rubidium> Ruudjah: pushing everything into bananas doesn't remove the mess at all, it only puts it in bananas; also blends do not contain recolour information and as such it won't work 15:02:22 <Rubidium> not to mention that it's questionable that everyone has made his work in blender 15:02:33 <Ruudjah> well, at least there is a centralized repos for the ongoing work 15:02:51 <Ruudjah> support for other 3D software can be made as well 15:03:08 <Ruudjah> and the recolour information probably can be solved 15:03:26 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 15:03:34 <Rubidium> and for what it's worth: bananas doesn't support collaboration and isn't meant to be used as a development repository 15:04:22 <Rubidium> oh... and did I say that the whole 32bpp project is aiming for an totally unsupported and frequently requirement changing 'drawing engine'? 15:04:46 <Ruudjah> ya well that last thing, i read, is eventually to be supported in openttd 15:05:13 <Ruudjah> at least its planned to support when the complete 32bppXZ nears completion, as I understood it 15:05:36 <Rubidium> hmm... oh, and how to comment on eachothers work in bananas? How to file bugs? How to... do anything project management related? 15:05:52 <Ruudjah> I thought on making a topic on the forum automatically 15:05:53 <Rubidium> how to enforce that the whole is later releasable under the same license? 15:06:21 <Rubidium> bananas is for distributing useable game data to clients, not to manage the development of that game data 15:06:27 <Ruudjah> well, a new specific system for it might be used as well 15:06:44 <Ruudjah> GreenBananas 15:07:01 <Ruudjah> when it turns yellow -> it is released on Bananas :P 15:07:01 <Rubidium> Ruudjah: what's wrong with the already made proposals for a development management 'system'? 15:07:16 <Ruudjah> I could not find any concrete proposals on the forum 15:07:58 <Rubidium> Ruudjah: e.g. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=832905#p832905 15:08:04 <Rubidium> but there have been others in the past 15:09:53 <Ruudjah> right 15:10:16 <Ruudjah> but, I am thinking constructively and wanting to put effort in it 15:10:50 <Ruudjah> so the thing I recon must be most influential to success is integration with the rest of the development 15:11:50 <Ruudjah> i.e. each sprite has an own topic, an own database entry (maybe like a widget put into topicstart), a general base set webpage integrated into openttd.org somewhere 15:12:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:13:47 <Ruudjah> maybe a webpage to code the png's (webbased PNGCOdec) 15:14:43 <Rubidium> for it to be succesful they must keep the required changes to OpenTTD low, or even non-existent... OpenTTD has 32bpp support for ~8000 revisions and still there is not even a beginning of a set 15:14:57 <Rubidium> just because once *we* do something *they* want something else 15:15:46 <Rubidium> and there has been lots and lots of talks about website this way, website that way... yet it never comes to completion 15:16:16 <Ruudjah> what do you mean with --> OpenTTD has 32bpp support for ~8000 revisions 15:16:26 <Ruudjah> ah 15:16:52 <Rubidium> okay, I should have say 3 years 15:17:18 <Rubidium> *said 15:19:56 <Rubidium> hmm... or are we go faster than ~3000 revision a year 15:21:19 <Ruudjah> Jupix' repos is impossible to get into 15:21:23 <Ruudjah> (reg doesnt work) 15:22:57 <Ruudjah> let me put it this way 15:23:14 <Ruudjah> What can I do to help on this matter? 15:23:31 <Ammler> and since tt-forums splitted the 32bpp development from grf, it might go hidden even more... 15:26:22 <planetmaker> Ruudjah: Do you know about the DevZone? 15:27:46 <planetmaker> If _you_ do (part) of the development, it's a place you could use. It's not a simple file upload area either, though 15:28:11 <Ruudjah> Well I am terrible at creating graphics or writing C/C++ 15:29:04 <planetmaker> maybe you write NFO then? >.-) 15:29:20 <Ruudjah> webish stuff goes much better, php/html etc. So I am aiming to do work so that the current problems in the graphics devzone are eased 15:30:15 <planetmaker> how does that now relate to the fact that you wanted a repository? 15:30:53 <Ruudjah> a repos might be a solution 15:30:58 <Ruudjah> or a repos rework 15:31:55 <planetmaker> I already offered in the 32bpp thread our devzone as a common place to gather things. But it wasn't picked up by anyone really 15:32:19 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org 15:32:19 <Ruudjah> well 15:33:23 <Ruudjah> its quite hard to join 15:34:25 <Ruudjah> despite the fact that its easy 15:35:14 <planetmaker> ? 15:36:29 <Ruudjah> well as I see it from a neutral standpoint (neither devver nor artist) it *seems* that it takes quite some brainactivity and time to put work on it. Integration is nonexistent. 15:37:11 <Ruudjah> go to website -> send pm/email --> no integration with forum (to discuss sprite/model) 15:38:21 <Rubidium> in which way has bananas better integration? 15:38:28 * planetmaker wonders the same 15:39:03 <Rubidium> or is bananas better for sprite management? 15:40:17 <Ruudjah> Bananas is just a way to have a repos. devzone seems to have all that already, and better 15:41:21 <Ruudjah> but i see room for improvement, and possible causes artists are not using it enough yet 15:41:42 <planetmaker> please elaborate :-) 15:42:19 <petern> planetmaker, cos the 32bpp artists don't "get it" 15:42:32 <Ruudjah> exactly petern 15:42:52 <Ruudjah> which is caused by several factors i think 15:42:59 <petern> you talk about "making a base set" and they go off on a tangent about grfs... 15:43:11 <Alberth> imho they are just not used to seeing their data files as source, and to the idea of version control. 15:43:30 <Ruudjah> so there is some feeding up to do 15:43:44 <Ruudjah> using a well designed interface and guides presented at the rght webpage 15:43:47 <planetmaker> well... using version control _is_ something one has to get used to. I know that myself 15:43:53 <planetmaker> But once gotten the hang of... 15:44:19 <Ruudjah> idea: make a topic for each sprite, and link it to the devzone entry 15:44:21 <Alberth> you wonder how you ever managed without it :) 15:44:46 <planetmaker> indeed, Alberth :-) 15:44:49 <Ruudjah> Write a crystal clear guide on how te get going 15:45:10 <planetmaker> Ruudjah: then get going doing just that :-) 15:45:42 <Alberth> I am not a graphics artist, but don't they want to share pieces of code between different sprites? Also, how do you keep the overview / consistency between sprites? 15:45:46 <Ruudjah> allright, a guide seems feasible for my skills 15:46:40 <Ruudjah> just that --> the guide or the topic idea? 15:47:08 <planetmaker> both :-) 15:47:22 <Ruudjah> Isnt hieronimus the forum admin? 15:47:36 <planetmaker> If you want to pick up the tast to start managing such project... 15:48:36 <Ruudjah> Maybe best to start a new topic, with all ideas outlined, requesting for comment or just doing it? 15:48:59 <Ruudjah> since such a topic might endup in a discussion we have already for a long time 15:49:05 <planetmaker> My advice: get going. There are enough people who discuss ideas till they're dead 15:49:19 <Ruudjah> right 15:49:52 <planetmaker> Just stay open minded to advice as it comes and you'll be fine 15:50:25 <petern> heh 15:50:36 <petern> 15:02 < Ruudjah> support for other 3D software can be made as well 15:50:41 <petern> still they do it 15:50:58 <Ruudjah> ? 15:51:01 <petern> 32bpp does NOT equal 3D rendering 15:51:08 <Ruudjah> i know 15:51:29 <Ruudjah> but it would be nice for an artist to upload 3d files, and automatically a sprite is generated 15:51:36 <petern> and as far as i aware there are no plans to integrate 'extra zoom' 15:51:41 <Ruudjah> creates quite some advantages 15:51:56 <Ruudjah> no XZ in trunk? 15:52:59 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:53:14 <Ruudjah> registering at dev.openttdcoop.org didnt 'work' 15:53:27 <Ruudjah> manual activation by mod required? 15:54:06 <planetmaker> Not that I know. What's your user name? 15:54:21 <Ruudjah> Ruudjah 15:54:57 <Ruudjah> nm, spam folder 15:54:59 <planetmaker> seems like. I activated your account 15:55:24 <planetmaker> ok, that's why. :-P 15:55:36 <Ruudjah> thats like the first time in 3 years an automated email endsup in my spamfolder 15:56:15 <planetmaker> hm 15:58:06 <Ruudjah> create new project "OpenGFX32bpp"? 15:59:30 <planetmaker> If there isn't yet, then yes, if you like 16:00:37 <planetmaker> Might be that you miss still the right to create a new project... Tell me, if it is so. 16:01:44 <Ruudjah> yes 16:01:51 <Ruudjah> I just made a ticket instead 16:02:11 <Ruudjah> (taking extraordinary long to commit) 16:04:39 <planetmaker> sometimes it's a bit slow, yes 16:05:44 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:06:03 <Ruudjah> but there is already a project, I looked over it in the projects page 16:06:11 <planetmaker> I just created it for you. 16:06:36 <Ruudjah> :) 16:06:53 *** treve [536523a1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:07:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.170.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:55 <Ruudjah> it's quite slow though 16:08:20 <planetmaker> it has some issue right now... I'm looking into it, but my ssh fails :S 16:08:47 <Ruudjah> :) 16:10:18 <Ruudjah> dont use a server for porn download... 16:10:34 <Ruudjah> (sorry, that was a way to easy joke) 16:20:19 <Ruudjah> Ill be back with some worked out designs and ideas. I'll present them on some webpage, then i'll ask you guys a quick feedback and then start to implement some of those ideas 16:21:06 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:07 <Ruudjah> Hoping dev.ottdcoop works as expected then :) 16:29:30 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 16:32:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18228 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix: make string drawing big font aware, i.e. don't big characters flicker like a stroboscope. 16:34:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:19 <Sacro> New Street powerbox controls Birmingham International through New Street to Dudley Port, as well as Stechford/Duddeston through Aston and Perry Barr. The sim will cover exactly the same area. 16:38:23 <Sacro> oops :P 16:38:58 <petern> ? 16:40:41 <planetmaker> Ruudjah: if you want the project hosted on the devzone, I propose to layout associated ideas on the included wiki or creating it on the official openttd wiki (like opengfx has a page there) 16:41:21 <KenjiE20> hehe 16:41:55 <Rubidium> Ruudjah: don't forget step #0: decide a license 16:42:04 <planetmaker> not required, but it keeps things together. 16:42:06 <Rubidium> +on 16:42:13 <planetmaker> indeed :-) 16:42:29 <planetmaker> DevZone defaults to GPL, if nothing is decided ;-) 16:42:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:18 <Ruudjah> before I am going to sprout endless ideas 16:51:30 <Ruudjah> How much flexibility do i have in implementing them? 16:51:51 <Ruudjah> ie custom database, altering forum behaviour etc 16:52:18 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 16:52:35 <Ruudjah> I guess that would depend on the idea, platform and website needed 16:53:33 <Rubidium> on www.tt-forums.net: none 16:54:48 <Ruudjah> that would instantly defeat the forum topic idea 16:54:53 <Ruudjah> but we'll seee 16:56:07 <Rubidium> well... none might be a bit of an overgeneralisation; the forum owner only installs stable phpbb without mods, so if you can get your required changes into phpbb then you can modify the forum indirectly 16:56:22 <Ruudjah> right 16:56:41 <Ruudjah> custom scripting/config creates quite the mainteneance hassle 17:00:59 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:02 *** P0lygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:08 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:14 *** P0lygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [] 17:18:51 *** bb10_ [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:46 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:37 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@w236-87-28-81.dynamic.aerea.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:28:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:13 <Katje> is there an easy way to find which towns are producing certain stuff? 17:48:16 <Katje> i.e. which has a bank 17:49:00 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:49:26 <Alberth> in the small map, you have buttons enable/disable all at the bottom left 17:49:51 <Alberth> disable all in the industry view 17:50:00 <Katje> aaah 17:50:01 <Rhamphoryncus> Katje: the industry list? 17:50:23 <Alberth> click at the bank industry text to enable the banks 17:50:47 <Alberth> disable town-names, then scan the map for white dots :) 17:51:17 <Alberth> (or were they green?) 17:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> Ruudjah: don't forget step #0: decide a license <-- i suggest that each uploader dual-licenses GPL and CC-BY-NA, then you have enough flexibility for the complete set 17:54:46 <Katje> found em 17:54:48 <Katje> cheers 17:56:29 <planetmaker> that's a good license idea. 18:14:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.20.255.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> great, new record... my ship has an income of -1.376.467DM/year 18:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i was too early... -2.040.807DM/year 18:16:15 <petern> -? hehe 18:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, - ;) 18:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have another one with -2.361.348DM/year 18:19:55 <_ln> you intend to get rich by overflow? 18:20:40 <Eddi|zuHause> strangely, i do still make overall profit, even though this totally exceeds my rail profit 18:21:17 <Alberth> underflow :) 18:21:29 <Rubidium> underflow... unlikely :) 18:21:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 6.170.757DM income throught trains, and 4 ships that make 7-digit (transfer) losses 18:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> plus several road vehicles that make 6-digit losses 18:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it totally doesn't add up... 18:22:23 <Rubidium> virtual income isn't shown in the finance 'overview' 18:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the sum should be the same... 18:23:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i mixed up the numbers, though, i make 2Mio by trains, and 6Mio by road vehicles 18:23:27 <Rubidium> now when cargo 'disappears' from the stations 18:23:35 <Rubidium> s/w/t/ 18:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but that should make the virtual income HIGHER 18:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: only the last leg of a transfer can make negative income, and that means the cargo already arrived, and can't disappear anymore 18:25:33 <Rubidium> yes-ish... but if cargo goes the feeder share doesn't necessarily go 18:25:51 *** george_ [~george@ti0028a380-dhcp0902.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:26:14 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18229 /trunk/src/ (35 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Make fill_x, fill_y a number instead of a bool. 18:27:28 *** george_ [~george@ti0028a380-dhcp0902.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:10 <Rubidium> oh... and don't forget the whole 'time delay' problem 18:28:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18230 /trunk/src/ (35 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Allow fill stepsize to be set from Window::UpdateWidgetSize(). 18:29:06 <Rubidium> if a train 'delivers' at the intermediate station at 31-dec and next vehicle delivers the next year the profits are accounted for in different years 18:30:04 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18231 /trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp: -Fix: Enable filling of matrix widget in the depot gui. 18:31:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18232 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix: Extend container widgets to accomadate multiples of filling step size. 18:32:16 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18233 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Fix: Fix matrix widget of the autoreplace gui. 18:38:01 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 18:38:14 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.20.255.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18234 /trunk/src/lang/ (arabic_egypt.txt catalan.txt croatian.txt polish.txt): 18:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 14 changes by kasakg 18:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau 18:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 92 changes by UnderwaterHesus 18:45:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 30 changes by 18:45:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by silver_777 18:46:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.20.255.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:49 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:28:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18240 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Change: align the 'select' sprite in the network content GUI based on the font height 19:28:36 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:30:42 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:32:04 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18241 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the rail depot 'buttons' centered in the window 19:34:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:36 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18242 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the refit window big font aware 19:46:55 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #openttd 19:46:57 <DJGummikuh> Hey 19:47:09 <DJGummikuh> may I propose a wish for christmas? 19:47:35 <DJGummikuh> I wish for a Web interface for my dedicated OpenTTD server to see its stats, the number of players, a possibility to chat, adjust settings and restart the whole rig 19:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause> send it to the north pole 19:47:43 <DJGummikuh> dear mr. santa I've been nice all year :D 19:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause> all that is possible with autopilot 19:48:13 <DJGummikuh> it is? 19:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or ottdlib 19:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause> or similar 19:49:46 <frosch123> i guess there is a dozen of similar projects, even on tt-ms is one :p 19:50:03 <DJGummikuh> I wish for one out of the box with a vanilla openttd installation 19:50:05 <DJGummikuh> and zero-conf 19:50:12 <DJGummikuh> much like ut2004 web-interface :) 19:50:17 <Prof_Frink> I want a pony. 19:50:20 <DJGummikuh> you do? 19:50:22 <Prof_Frink> And some Dragons. 19:52:16 * welshdragon hides 19:52:37 <Prof_Frink> Not you, silly. But they are from Wales. 19:52:54 <DJGummikuh> no but seriously. don't you see the benefits of a solution that comes out of the box? 19:53:16 * petern wonders if the recent ottd changes are helpful for welshdragon at all 19:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so you want us to add a webserver to the dependencies? 19:53:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no... not a webserver... *all* webservers :) 19:54:04 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18243 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: Deduplicate code wrt. drawing signs and station/town names. 19:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> DJGummikuh: i stick to my opinion, everything that you want has already been done in 3rd party programs... 19:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause> myottd for example 19:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> might wanna talk to SpComb about that 19:56:03 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> (if i remember correctly) 19:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: what are the chances of railtypes in the next 4 months? 20:00:47 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 20:01:12 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 20:07:30 *** The_Exile is now known as JVassie 20:07:42 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:29 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 20:17:52 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:06 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:15 *** Intexon [58675045@widget.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:22:00 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18244 /trunk/src/texteff.cpp: -Codechange: Make texteffects big font aware. 20:27:57 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 20:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause> why do the small fonts get discriminated so much? 20:30:57 <Sacro> hehe 20:31:16 <Rubidium> because midgets don't hit their head on too high doors, but big people hit their head on too low doors 20:31:41 <Rubidium> so in effect the small fonts already worked for years and we're now undiscriminating the big ones 20:31:42 <KenjiE20> nice 20:31:44 <Sacro> yes but tall people trip over midgets 20:31:58 <Sacro> and I hurt my back bending down for low cash points 20:32:25 <KenjiE20> heh I knew a bloke that used to crouch/kneel at some low cash points 20:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a "cash point"? 20:33:26 <Sacro> ATM 20:33:31 <KenjiE20> hole in the wall 20:33:52 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: No, that's VSL with hardshoulder running. 20:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> KenjiE20: ah, i understand why you would kneel in front of that :p 20:34:18 <KenjiE20> lol 20:34:45 <KenjiE20> all hail the metal life giving slot 20:35:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means 20:35:26 <KenjiE20> neither do I 20:35:26 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: que? 20:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> ?Qu?? 20:37:00 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: ATM. 20:38:17 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: RIS? I don't get it 20:38:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18245 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: Deduplicate code wrt. clicking on signs and station/town names. 20:38:45 <Sacro> frosch123: placate 20:38:45 <Prof_Frink> As featured on the M42. 20:39:12 <Sacro> i think placate is the opposite of duplicate 20:39:34 <Sacro> no... 20:39:35 <Sacro> hmm 20:39:40 <Sacro> deduplicate doesn't sound right 20:39:56 <KenjiE20> un-duplicate? 20:40:09 <Sacro> it sounds like it's double negative 20:40:12 <Prof_Frink> Disenduplicatify. 20:40:19 <Sacro> but plicate isn't the right word 20:40:24 <KenjiE20> remove dupes :P 20:42:50 <frosch123> i like "deduplicate" :p 20:46:08 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejd20.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:49:05 <TrueBrain> I like it too frosch123 :) 20:56:28 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 20:56:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18246 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: Make signs and station/town names big font aware. 20:56:51 <frosch123> currently commit messages are really easy :p 20:57:39 <Rubidium> yup 21:02:02 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@56.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:26 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 21:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i miss the mysticism of a "implement callback XY" 21:12:51 <frosch123> isn't nestification, bigfontication and rtling enough mysticism? 21:13:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, mysticism is when you don't have a good impression of what's actually going on 21:14:39 <Katje> I am struggling to setup a bus network. 21:14:56 <Katje> is there any reason why i can't set a bus station as a destination in the orders dialogue? 21:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje: yes, articulated busses can't use terminal bus stops 21:15:31 <frosch123> or it is a truck station :p 21:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> only drive-through ones 21:16:09 <Katje> it lets me set the stops in the same town 21:16:20 <Katje> but doesn't allow me to use the ones in the neighbouring one 21:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so... how do i get an 28MB screenshot on the internet for everybody to see? 21:30:34 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c86f.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC] 21:34:12 *** bb10_ [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFAD11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:04 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 21:47:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@78.73.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:08 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:56:26 <_ln> @seen bjarni 21:56:27 <DorpsGek> _ln: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 10 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P 22:05:08 <Sacro> I miss him :( 22:06:00 <_ln> it's not the same channel without him 22:06:39 <frosch123> Sacro: aren't there enough dutch left? :p 22:06:48 <Sacro> he's dutch? 22:08:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18247 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the AI settings window big font aware 22:12:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18248 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remove magic numbers from the AI debug window, making it big font aware in the process 22:15:16 <_ln> http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=230249000¢erx=20.62335¢ery=60.09485&zoom=10&type_color=6 22:17:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18249 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network client list big font aware 22:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i thought he was getting creative now :p 22:20:23 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18250 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the graph legend big font aware 22:21:51 *** RenegadeX [~Renegade@c203055.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 22:22:00 <RenegadeX> good day 22:22:19 <Sacro> '(\.|''|[^'\n])*' | \"(\.|\"\"|[^"\n])*\" 22:22:26 <Sacro> well that's a funky smily 22:22:33 <RenegadeX> or a regexp of doom 22:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "for some it's a regexp, for others, it's the longest smilie of the world" 22:23:35 <Rubidium> for me it's just Sacro trying to speak a foreign language 22:23:51 <Eddi|zuHause> [i don't know if the commercial-reference is known to foreigners] 22:23:52 <Sacro> my dutch is perfect 22:24:02 <RenegadeX> quick question: I haven't played otd since the 0.6 branch, and I'm unsure whether I have to do anything with the AI in 0.7 in order to just plain play; is the default AI still provided out of the box, and I can just play, or do I have to install one of those AI scripts flying around? 22:24:06 <RenegadeX> ottd* 22:24:31 *** bb10 [~nnscript@62.140.137.10] has joined #openttd 22:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no, yes 22:24:36 *** bb10 [~nnscript@62.140.137.10] has quit [] 22:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> just get them from the ingame content downloader 22:25:39 <RenegadeX> that would mean deciding for one xD 22:25:55 <Rubidium> you can also choose not to play with AIs 22:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no, each AI can have a different personality 22:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll be randomly chosen, if you install multiple 22:26:35 <RenegadeX> I see 22:26:56 <RenegadeX> Any recommendations? 22:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm the wrong person to ask there... 22:31:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i listen to Rubidium's advice ;) 22:32:00 <RenegadeX> that *would* be the easiest solution, no doubt about that >_> 22:33:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i only played one AI game in the last 10 years 22:33:14 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 22:34:06 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFAD11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:34:06 <RenegadeX> oh well...I guess I'll just pick a few and see what happens 22:34:14 <RenegadeX> thanks very much for the help :) 22:34:33 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:34:34 <Sacro> als ik bier dat ik zou kunnen mogen hebben drinken wezen gaan zijn krijgen? 22:34:52 *** RenegadeX [~Renegade@c203055.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: If the chat tips over, save the angels.] 22:34:53 <Sacro> that's not what i wanted to pastem, sillly pc 22:34:56 <Sacro> zit jij daar lekker te doen te zijn te wezen dat je dat aan het doen ben zijn wezen? 22:35:59 <Rubidium> what broken translator are you using? 22:36:13 <Sacro> oh this is uncyclopedia 22:36:19 <Sacro> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/German_grammar 22:36:27 <Sacro> certainly the germans have many different cases 22:37:29 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 22:40:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@92.25.188.211] has joined #openttd 22:40:17 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:41 <Rhamphoryncus> augh, gotta be careful, or I might try learning something from that page x_x 22:49:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@78.73.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is a "RuPaul"? 22:54:20 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:56:48 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:58:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 23:05:34 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF053.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. 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