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Log for #openttd on 29th November 2009:
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00:02:10  <Eddi|zuHause> the first electric long distance train in germany was the route Stuttgart-M?nchen
00:02:37  <Eddi|zuHause> that was around 1937
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00:15:51  <Eddi|zuHause> PS: 1971 actually IS an odd number ;)
00:17:33  <FauxFaux> Heretic!
00:18:40  <Rubidium> SpComb: but... someone is even later than you are: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=120631
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00:25:29  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think it was even earlier, 1933 or 1934
00:26:50  <Eddi|zuHause> the connection Leipzig-N?rnberg[-M?nchen] was opened 1942, but there wasn't really any "long distance" passenger service during war time
00:29:54  <Rubidium> that depends on your description of passenger and service
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00:41:21  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18331 /trunk/src/ (news_gui.cpp window.cpp window_func.h): -Fix [FS#3334]: news items would with some chat 'bars' not be displayed fully. Fix by erikjanp.
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01:00:15  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18332 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_gui.cpp signs_gui.cpp smallmap_gui.cpp): -Fix: the MSVC compile warnings
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01:54:17  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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09:01:16  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18333 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18127): Station view window did not resize properly when toggling between ratings and acceptance view.
09:01:21  <Terkhen> good morning
09:01:28  <Alberth> moin
09:05:15  <petern> i didn't know if that was a bug or feature ;)
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09:12:39  <Alberth> I wouldn't know, the original window did it like that, and I saw no reason to change it :)
09:15:15  <petern> guess i just missed that bit :s
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09:19:01  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18334 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: No need to test a pointer after using it.
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09:28:07  <petern> bah
09:28:11  <petern> need diagonal bridges
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09:39:52  <petern> hmm
09:39:54  <petern> crap :s
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10:01:37  <fjb> Moin.
10:01:53  * fjb also often needs diagonal bridges.
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10:18:13  <planetmaker> who doesn't? ;-)
10:19:15  <Forked> my cat =p
10:19:26  <Rubidium> those people building 90 degree turns (or double 45 for that matter)
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10:24:44  <Arvid_> I want signals on brigdes and tunnels, built into ttd, not just a patch :)
10:28:48  <fjb> The problem is implementing that in a proper way.
10:33:35  <Terkhen> and deciding what could be the proper way of implementing it
10:33:46  <Arvid_> hehe
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10:57:03  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18335 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: Further reduction of nested_root NULL-ness checking.
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11:01:30  <petern> crap
11:01:34  <petern> built a canal
11:01:37  <petern> and run out of money
11:01:44  <petern> ... with one tile left to build
11:03:25  <petern> lol
11:03:31  <petern> even better, the industry closed down
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11:06:36  <LordAzamath> any russians around? or someone who can speak russian well
11:07:21  <LordAzamath> :S
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11:12:08  <worldemar> LordAzamath: um...
11:12:37  <worldemar> LordAzamath: i can
11:12:42  <LordAzamath> oh good
11:13:23  <LordAzamath> can you translate "?? ????? ????? 2,5 ??" in context of "????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ???????, ?? ????? ????? 2,5 ??, ??? ????? 20 ?????. ?????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????????"
11:13:33  <LordAzamath> google translator gave stuff about pancakes
11:13:41  <LordAzamath> I can understand the rest
11:13:49  <worldemar> i may be banned for it
11:13:59  <LordAzamath> how come?
11:14:00  <worldemar> but i can do it privately
11:14:12  <LordAzamath> well privately then :D
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11:48:33  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18336 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Cleanup (r18092): Remove declaration of an already removed function.
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12:52:23  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18337 /trunk/src/ (46 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove 2x2 {SKIP} in the company finances window + strings.
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13:08:48  <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Houses#Extra_Flags_19_ <-- does NoAIs have to respect property 19, bit 1 (building is protected from NoAIs)?
13:09:13  <planetmaker> e.g. they cannot demolish it?
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13:12:16  <Rubidium> probably not
13:12:34  <Rubidium> (as answer to the latter question)
13:13:02  <planetmaker> hm. A pity :-) They should respect it IMO
13:13:27  <planetmaker> (even though it'd put them at a back seat compared to humans)
13:14:19  <Rubidium> although... if you want to be sure, make an AI that removes the house
13:16:36  <planetmaker> not that I need it, but ... is there _any_ way to know for a newgrf whether a company is an AI or a human in OpenTTD?
13:17:37  <planetmaker> if there is, there's then always callback 143. Then property 19, bit 1 is not in need of support
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13:21:16  <planetmaker> the newgrf expert :-)
13:22:04  <frosch123> is it better to leave again?
13:22:09  <planetmaker> yes :-P
13:22:50  <planetmaker> well. I wonder: Does a newgrf have a chance to know whether a company is an AI or a human (concerning callback 143, or property 19, bit 1) for houses?
13:23:16  <planetmaker> e.g. allow destruction by humans, but not by NoAIs
13:24:18  <planetmaker> I know it's quite a specilized question. I just wonder and don't plan immediate support anywhere, so don't bother to spend hours researching it ;-)
13:25:25  <frosch123> CanDeleteHouse checks IsValidHumanID
13:25:54  <frosch123> which checks c->is_ai
13:26:04  <frosch123> so i would expect noais are indeed not allowed to remove those houses
13:26:53  <frosch123> oh, you want it the other way around :p no, that is likely not possible
13:27:39  <frosch123> err, never mind the last sentence
13:28:23  <planetmaker> :-) Hey, thank you
13:28:37  <planetmaker> so property 19 works
13:29:51  <planetmaker> as does the CB
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15:58:51  <_ln> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385069.stm
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16:17:55  <Dred_furst> Hey
16:27:27  <PeterT> Hello Dred_furst
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17:20:42  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18338 /trunk/src/lang/ (40 files): -Codechange: remove the need for {SKIP}
17:21:21  <PeterT> argh, another day with commits and entry/exit messages...
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17:24:52  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18339 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp table/control_codes.h table/strgen_tables.h): -Cleanup: remove SKIP support from strgen too
17:26:36  <frosch123> there are no better commits than removing unneeded/unused stuff
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18:36:23  <TrueBrain> frosch123: at least you told me when WT3 needed update :p
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18:37:50  <Rubidium> heh, but it doesn't really *need* the update :)
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18:38:32  <frosch123> :)
18:45:41  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18340 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
18:45:41  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:41  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 7 changes by jpx_
18:45:41  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker
18:45:41  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 30 changes by
18:45:42  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 2 changes by alyr
18:45:42  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 4 changes by prof
18:47:07  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18341 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Replace some GetNextVehicle() with GetNextUnit() where needed.
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19:28:05  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18343 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport_func.h): -Fix [FS#3336] (r18243): dark blue signs would be drawn transparent
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19:31:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18344 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt train_gui.cpp):
19:31:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Change [FS#2923]: do not split up articulated vehicles in the train details
19:31:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: view. If an articulated vehicle it too 'wide' draw the information on the next
19:31:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: line and if there are multiple cargos split that over multiple lines too. Based
19:31:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: on work by frosch123.
19:34:55  <frosch123> he, someone fixed greek :)
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20:16:59  <Eddi|zuHause> well, apparently  fixed greek
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20:23:01  <PeterT> Does @calc follow order of operations?
20:23:23  <PeterT> @calc 13.5*5/1440*24
20:23:23  <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1.125
20:23:47  <Alberth> it uses normal precedence rules afaik, but you a calculator if you don't trust it :)
20:23:50  <Eddi|zuHause> it should, like any other sane calculator
20:24:15  <Alberth> not so long ago, RPN was considered sane for a calculator :p
20:24:20  <SmatZ> @calc 99999999999999999999999999999999-1
20:24:20  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 100000000000000005366162204393472
20:24:29  <SmatZ> is that sane?
20:24:42  <KenjiE20> mmm rounding :)
20:24:45  <Eddi|zuHause> yes :)
20:24:57  <TheExile> @calc pi
20:24:57  <DorpsGek> TheExile: 3.14159265359
20:25:10  <PeterT> @cacl pi/0
20:25:16  <TheExile> :/
20:25:18  <PeterT> @calc pi/0
20:25:18  <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: float division
20:25:32  <TheExile> @calc 0/pi
20:25:32  <DorpsGek> TheExile: 0
20:25:39  <Eddi|zuHause> go get a room...
20:25:42  <TheExile> :D
20:25:53  <TheExile> . /invite DorpsGek #hotelroom
20:25:55  <Eddi|zuHause> no, really, you can talk to the bot in private
20:26:03  <Alberth> everybody here has a big calculator in front of him, yet they do calculations here :)
20:26:23  <KenjiE20> funny that
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20:27:00  <PeterT> DorpsGek isn't coming
20:27:02  <Alberth> Syntax error: 'nsfw' not a number
20:27:40  <KenjiE20> wait, did you actually try to invite the bot to a hotel room?
20:28:03  <PeterT> no, to a #hotelroom
20:28:03  <Forked> just print out the code
20:28:12  <PeterT> :-p
20:28:26  <KenjiE20> -sigh-
20:28:41  <Forked> or a flesh light with 16GB usb..
20:28:44  <Forked> ok I'm gonna go afk again
20:28:46  <PeterT> at least there is some conversation
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20:30:44  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: obviously, it's an identifier...
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20:31:19  <Eddi|zuHause> PS: it's actually inside a comment ;)
20:32:05  * Alberth uses old-style C block comments only while parsing urls.
20:32:53  <SmatZ> http://*google.com*/bad-site.com/
20:33:32  <Alberth> parsing != visiting :p
20:33:44  <Forked> http://www.google.com/stuff/random@www.badsite.com ?
20:33:46  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: misses a / ;)
20:34:44  <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/dune_eyes.png    this company owner has been visiting Dune too long
20:35:17  <KenjiE20> heh
20:36:14  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: ah... and I was wondering why it doesn't work ;)
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20:36:44  <SmatZ> :)
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20:46:36  <KenjiE20> np: Chata - Dango Daikazoku :: Megumeru ~cuckool mix 2007~ [02] <-- while eating a dango, it is most delectable
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20:47:41  <Eddi|zuHause> a what is what?
20:48:10  <KenjiE20> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dango
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20:52:54  <Eddi|zuHause> somehow, none of this makes me say "hm, that sounds delicious"
20:54:10  <Rubidium> if it's related to mochi then it might even be lethal
20:54:55  <KenjiE20> made from the same stuff
20:54:59  <KenjiE20> so yes
20:56:32  <Xaroth> Alberth: you play too much OD :P
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20:58:10  <Alberth> Not at all!   I have read Dune twice though in the past, and have seen the movie twice :)
20:58:34  <Eddi|zuHause> which movie?
20:58:40  <Alberth> Dune
20:58:53  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean which one
20:58:55  <Alberth> not sure about the precise title
20:59:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i believe there were multiple
20:59:14  <Alberth> oh there are more?  then probably the first one
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20:59:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i remember at least two versions
21:00:25  <Eddi|zuHause> one cinema movie and a tv trilogy, i think
21:00:38  <Xaroth> there are multiple
21:00:43  <Xaroth> you also have the series Children of Dune
21:00:51  <Xaroth> and there's two versions (at least) of Dune
21:01:40  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there was another trilogy about the children, i remember
21:02:16  <Xaroth> not seen that one yet then
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21:14:47  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18345 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Warn the window that it gets initialized, so it can do some work ahead.
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21:16:50  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18346 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Compute size of face part display buttons only once in face window.
21:17:48  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18347 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Compute width of labels in news settings window once.
21:21:10  <Alberth> oh joy, gtk has a new error to emit while you use an application: gtk_form_set_static_gravity: assertion `static_gravity_supported' failed  :p
21:24:07  <SmatZ> :-)
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21:27:24  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18348 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Doc: Doxygen fixes, and removal of an old @note.
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21:41:03  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18349 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18347): Older compilers want explicit assignments.
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22:18:18  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r18350 /trunk/src/os/unix/crashlog_unix.cpp: -Codechange: catch SIGILL under unix-like systems as well
22:21:47  <_ln> http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/11/29/fahrradverbot/student-darf-15-jahre-kein-fahrrad-fahren.html
22:24:49  <Coco-Banana-Man> *lol* That must be bad luck! xD
22:27:13  <_ln> sounds unbelievable such long bans are legal
22:28:07  <Coco-Banana-Man> sounds even unbelieverable that such bans are legal!
22:28:42  <Coco-Banana-Man> if you don't even need a license to do that
22:28:51  <fjb> An alcoholic in my village got that kind of ban about 25 years ago.
22:29:12  <fjb> Beside that: never trust BILD!
22:29:21  <Coco-Banana-Man> good point! :D
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22:31:14  <_ln> what about RTL+
22:31:15  <_ln> ?
22:32:19  <fjb> http://www.bildblog.de/
22:32:53  <fjb> I would trust RTL+ not more than BILD.
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22:33:57  <fjb> If you want to learn about Germany you could have a look at http://www.heise.de/tp/default.html
22:34:51  <fjb> But that is more about politics, not the daily crime BILD reports about.
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22:47:22  <_ln> but the truth is not always as interesting as stories
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22:56:55  <fjb> But what do made up stories in a "newspaper" tell you?
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22:58:53  <_ln> Nothing. Just one type of fiction.
23:00:42  <fjb> Better read a good book. There is even better porn in the net than the nude girl in BILD.
23:04:04  <_ln> I'm currently reading Frank Herbert's Dune, but haven't spotted any nudity in it yet.
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23:08:53  <fjb> A good book + porn from the net is more than BILD++.
23:09:59  <Coco-Banana-Man> [00:04:15] <_ln> I'm currently reading Frank Herbert's Dune, but haven't spotted any nudity in it yet. <--- Is that a novel? If yes, then it's really the wrong place for porn. So is a newspaper.
23:10:27  <fjb> I would not call BILD a newspaper.
23:11:09  <Coco-Banana-Man> I think it is. But a really bad one.
23:11:25  <_ln> Coco-Banana-Man: Yes, it is a novel and doesn't have any kind of images in it, so finding porn there would be quite surprising.
23:13:27  <fjb> German law counts even the written word as porn not only pictures.
23:13:32  <Coco-Banana-Man> [00:09:04] <fjb> A good book + porn from the net is more than BILD++. <--- Then I'm sharing fjb's opinion ;)
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23:21:22  <_ln> fjb: Do you have age limits for books in libraries?
23:23:14  <fjb> Good question, I have not been at a public library for ages. But I think we have.
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