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00:12:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:27 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 00:17:36 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 00:18:15 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [] 00:22:36 <Ammler> Hey, good work Rubidium, didn't expect annoucement of round 2 that fast :-) 00:23:06 <PeterT> shiiiiiiiiit, i missed voting 00:24:16 <__ln__> no shit, obama was elected over a year ago. 00:24:18 <Rubidium> well, the grades seemed stable the last half week, so I just prepared everything; if the grading made the first 3 change I only needed to copy another set of savegames/screenshots which is almost trivial to do 00:24:38 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 00:25:06 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:13 <PeterT> Rubidium: Where did you get OpenTTD 1.0.0 from? :-P 00:27:28 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e08d2c2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:29:04 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1d87.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:04 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 00:32:26 <PeterT> Rubidium: the link to all the save games on your round 2 page is broken 00:32:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:45 <PeterT> it is "http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/round2/round1-savegames.zip", and not "http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/round2/round2-savegames.zip" 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:06 *** PeterT [~PeterT@64.120.14.203] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 00:37:31 *** PeterT [~PeterT@64.120.14.203] has joined #openttd 00:38:11 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:38:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-129-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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joined #openttd 01:48:55 <Bluelight> Is this the map size? map_x = 10 01:49:07 <PeterT> Bluelight: for what, where? 01:49:15 <PeterT> that is 2^10 01:49:20 <Bluelight> openttd.cfg 01:49:22 <PeterT> @calc 2**10 01:49:22 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1024 01:49:35 <Bluelight> Ok, ty 01:49:38 <PeterT> 1024x1024 01:50:27 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Bukkit is a-hatin me] 01:51:34 <Bluelight> @calc 2**9 01:51:34 <DorpsGek> Bluelight: 512 01:53:30 <Bluelight> Night.. 01:53:35 <PeterT> night 01:53:43 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 01:54:44 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:54:57 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 02:02:52 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 02:02:54 *** roboboy [996b6198@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:03:02 *** ajmiles 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Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:37 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 08:38:09 <roboboy> Is it a bad idea to rename the folder my OpenTTD source is in? 08:41:06 <Noldo> shouldn't be a problem 08:41:37 <roboboy> hm I renambed the folder my source is in and now it fails to compile 08:41:59 <roboboy> it goes looking for a file under the old foldername 08:42:57 <Ammler> reconfigure 08:43:14 <roboboy> but im on windows? 08:43:32 <Ammler> well, then you lost :-P 08:43:40 <Ammler> no, sorry, no idea there... 08:43:51 <roboboy> It also seems to be a file thats generated on build that teels it to go looking in this location 08:43:54 <ccfreak2k> roboboy, wasn't a problem for me. 08:44:12 <ccfreak2k> But then I switched to a custom static makefile. 08:45:05 <roboboy> c:\Users\Leo.Giusti\Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\OpenTTD\r19145\src\thread\thread_win32.cpp is the path its looking for but the revision should be r19163 08:47:39 <roboboy> if I rename the folder to the old name it starts looking for files under the name it currently has 08:59:27 <roboboy> hm setting it to debug allowed it to compile 09:02:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:03:08 <roboboy> grr 09:03:20 <Zuu> Rubidium: The download links for the savegames of round2 have not been updated for v2 and give a 404. 09:03:50 <Zuu> s/v2/round 2/ 09:06:25 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:10:23 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:15:20 <roboboy> grr 09:17:16 <roboboy> I wonder why ompiling a debug build worked but not a release 09:18:30 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 09:19:22 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:20:08 <roboboy> hm I might just create a new directory and start again 09:25:13 <Zuu> MSVC? Did you change the project properties to set library paths? 09:25:29 <Zuu> If you did so, then you probably need to do that for both debug and release. 09:26:05 <Zuu> I usually don't edit project properties for libraries, but instead set those path globally in the MSVC properties. 09:27:42 <roboboy> thats what I did 09:30:12 <roboboy> I changed all my OpenTTD include and library settings to global settings 09:32:16 <roboboy> well I think my new copy of r1613 plus my patches is compiling in release mode 09:33:17 <roboboy> well its further than it as on my other checkout 09:34:17 <roboboy> and it built 09:35:51 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:20 <Rubidium> Zuu: where? 09:39:28 <Rubidium> oh, there :) 09:39:46 <Zuu> http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/round2/ 09:40:10 <Zuu> I guess you found it, but otherwise it is the links to the zip-files. 09:40:40 <Rubidium> Zuu: should be fixed now 09:41:02 <Zuu> Nice 09:43:03 <Zuu> Oh, all the round2 title games are smaller in file size than the current title game. 09:45:14 <planetmaker> he, interesting :-) 09:46:52 <Rubidium> and likely they're going to be a tiny bit smaller when adding them to trunk 09:48:43 <planetmaker> how would they shrink in size? 09:49:30 <planetmaker> and Zuu asked an interesting question: do you add it to trunk or to the 1.0 branch? 09:49:58 <planetmaker> I would even see reason to only add it to the 1.0 branch: you keep the old savegame loading test savegame 09:50:06 <planetmaker> (what a nice word combination! :-P ) 09:50:14 <Zuu> planetmaker: did I? 09:50:38 <Zuu> I mentioned it, but IIRC I didn't do it as a question. :-) 09:50:40 <planetmaker> hm, I though. Or you stated that it would only be the stable branch. ;-) 09:50:46 <planetmaker> whatever :-) 09:51:33 <planetmaker> so I take your savegame is in round two, too, yes? :-) 09:51:54 <planetmaker> which reminds me... I should vote. Now 09:52:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes, only for the 1.0 branch; the old savegame stays in trunk 09:52:34 <Zuu> Yep, both our savegames somehow got to round 2. :-) 09:52:57 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:59 <planetmaker> Zuu, interestingly those three savegames which I rated highest are now in the final round :-) 09:55:12 <planetmaker> Except my own I didn't know for whom I voted, so :-) congratz 09:56:30 <Zuu> I didn't vote highest for any of the round2-savegames (though all three are >= 7) 09:57:03 <planetmaker> I didn't mean highest = 10. But my top 3. 09:58:05 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073186.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:08:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium, so might be a new competition every year for every release branch? 10:16:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:42 *** Absolutis [~Absol@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe87de00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:26:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yup 10:26:54 <Pikka> Ru Ru... Rubidium! 10:27:13 <Pikka> or frosch who isn't here! 10:27:34 <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42688 many cookies available! 10:28:13 <ccfreak2k> What happened to callbacks 0-35? 10:28:53 <Pikka> they only start from 10, and nothing? 10:29:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:18 <Pikka> I guess Eddi would do... 10:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so... 10:31:18 <Pikka> alright then! 10:34:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:41 *** Absolutis [~Absol@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe87de00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #openttd [] 10:41:36 *** lila [~lila@s5591e84e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:41:41 *** lila [~lila@s5591e84e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:42:06 <Rubidium> Pikkawhat? 10:42:44 <Rubidium> oh, it's already on frosch' todo list :) 10:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, for a whole year :) 10:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> this looks fairly easy at first glance, but there's magic with passenger_capacity and mail_capacity going on that i don't understand 10:44:36 <peter1138> anyone got a copy of doom.wad i can borrow? 10:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the only places that need changing are engine.cpp:GetDisplayDefaultCapacity and vehicle.cpp:GetVehicleCapacity 10:49:47 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:53:01 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@29.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:53:01 <Rubidium> peter1138: google? 10:53:27 <peter1138> yeah, i found a doom2.wad download :D 10:53:34 <Terkhen> hello 10:53:48 <Rubidium> morning Terkhen 10:57:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:58:06 <roboboy> whats the best way to update a patched copy of the source? 10:58:52 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:33 <Rubidium> a 3 way merge 11:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause> git is fairly powerful in that way, i believe 11:04:17 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:06:40 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073186.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* don't write this-index when you mean this->index 11:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> causes fairly cryptic error messages ;) 11:09:31 <peter1138> nice 11:14:13 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka, Rubidium, peter1138, anybody: does this look proper to you? www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/cb36_aircraft_capacity.patch 11:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> (compiled, but untested) 11:18:43 <Rubidium> that fails as a proper URI 11:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that might be true, but most browsers tend to add http:// automatically ;) 11:20:01 <TrueBrain> it fails as proper httpd (no inline view) 11:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that i do not have an influence on :p 11:20:54 <Noldo> isn't that a matter of right mime-type 11:21:23 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: the first line I look at I see a coding style error :o 11:21:30 <TrueBrain> (missing space after a , :p 11:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> uhum... right 11:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but if i fix that, i also need to fix alignment in surrounding lines, and that adds clutter to the diff... 11:22:39 <TrueBrain> huh? Not really 11:22:46 <TrueBrain> GetVehicleProperty(v, PROP_AIRCRAFT_MAIL_CAPACITY,e->u.air.mail_capacity); 11:22:49 <TrueBrain> it simply misses 1 space 11:23:12 <TrueBrain> alignment is lost already 11:23:51 <Pikka> :o 11:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, give me two minutes to fix ;) 11:24:07 <TrueBrain> IT IS A SHOW STOPPER! :p 11:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> should be fixed (reload) 11:25:45 <TrueBrain> can't reload, as it is not inline :p MWHAHAHA :P 11:25:50 * TrueBrain hugs Eddi|zuHause :) 11:25:51 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 11:26:20 <TrueBrain> yeah for coding style! :) 11:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause> then set up your browser correctly :p 11:36:49 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:41:37 <TrueBrain> I hate crappy music on the radio 11:41:41 <TrueBrain> I want a 'skip-to-next' on it 11:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that problem! 11:44:05 <SirSquidness> It happens to me all the time when I'm watching TV shows. 11:45:35 <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=47342 11:46:25 <peter1138> how many grfs? 11:46:29 <Pikka> you know, I'm not sure I've ever seen a definitive answer on this problem from the devs... it's come up several times and is caused by loading too many grfs/sprites... 11:46:36 <Pikka> indeed :) 11:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ETooManyGRFs 11:46:50 <peter1138> there is, in theory, no sprite limit 11:46:50 <Pikka> over 9000, I think 11:47:08 <peter1138> there is, but it's unfeasibly high 11:47:25 <Pikka> how high is unfeasably high? 11:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> people will hit the file limit before hitting the sprite limit 11:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> ~2^31, probably 11:48:02 <Pikka> so what causes the error? 11:51:10 <peter1138> i think it's 2^24 actually 11:51:12 <peter1138> still plenty 11:52:23 <peter1138> as for the problem, no idea, i don't think anyone's ever reported it 11:56:22 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:31 <Pikka> peter1138: because it's only encountered by idiots who try to load every single grf they possibly can? 11:59:27 <Pikka> there have been half a dozen threads about it at various times, and it doesn't seem to be caused by any particular grf... 11:59:58 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:01:00 <peter1138> that's not reported though 12:01:48 <Pikka> peter1138: because people who try to load every grf can't file proper bug reports, and no-one else cares enough to? *shrugs* :) 12:01:56 <peter1138> well then :) 12:08:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:48 *** welterde [~welterde@2001:470:1f0b:592:ff:0:1:3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause> so. Pikka, did you find the above patch helpful? 12:29:13 <planetmaker> oh hey, a Pikka ! :-) 12:30:16 *** ptr [~peter@n19-p127.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:30:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:50 <Pikka> a patch, a patch! :o 12:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> is that an answer? 12:36:07 <Pikka> well... yes, thankyou. :) but the question is whether it can make it into 1.0.0, and people will stop asking me why their aircraft capacity changes on refit... ;) 12:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, Higher Powers (tm) have to decide that ;) 12:37:37 * Pikka glares accusingly and pleadingly at Rubidium 12:38:13 *** kyzz [kyzz@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have to rely on your word that it actually does what it should do 12:45:17 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:22 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D945F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:26 <Pikka> oh. um... 12:51:53 *** ptr_ [~peter@n19-p127.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:51:54 *** ptr [~peter@n19-p127.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:54 *** ptr_ is now known as ptr 12:54:03 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:15 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 12:56:38 *** Forgetful_Lion [HydraIRC@CPE-121-208-195-54.szxk1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 12:57:10 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-106-240.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:02:25 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:36 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:02 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1726.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:31 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:28 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA02A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:05 *** Yexo__ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:06 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d5ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:44 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 13:28:50 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:31:10 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:49 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:50 *** Yexo is now known as Guest153 13:35:50 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:37:02 *** Guest153 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-37-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:46:10 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.126] has joined #openttd 13:54:55 <Priski> btw does anyone know any wordchecker when deciding new name fro app/game/etc you don't accidentally pick some word that might mean something embarassing in some foreign country 13:56:44 <Zuu> Eh, any word could have an embarassing meaning in another language. There are too many languages to care about that. 13:58:01 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:58:10 <Priski> well lets just count out the million african dialects :) 14:03:22 <Priski> maybe ill just pick 'project name' and rename when it's ready to be published 14:04:41 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause> they had this british theatre play with the harry potter guy, and it had a horse named "Trojan" in it, which was fine in britain, but when they wanted to show it in the USA, they had to change the name :p 14:06:02 <Eddi|zuHause> (apparently, "Trojan" is a brand of condoms in the USA) 14:07:10 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 14:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so... the "embarrasing name" doesn't even work in english-english... 14:08:27 <Priski> I wouldn't consider that a embarassing 14:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> when "everyone starts giggling when hearing the name" does not run under "embarrasing", then i don't know... 14:09:35 <Priski> that would suggest trademark issue 14:09:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19191 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move AirportTileSpec to newgrf_airporttiles.h 14:10:20 <Priski> Eddi|zuHause: trojan was then almost same to condoms in US what google is to search engines? 14:10:26 <Priski> then I would understand 14:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm an outsider, but that's how i understood the issue... 14:11:18 <Belugas> hello 14:11:38 <Priski> "well hello there..." 14:12:42 <Belugas> mister Priski, i salute ya 14:12:55 <Priski> didn't pepsi just changed their name en spain? 14:13:02 <Priski> to pesi 14:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't heard that... 14:13:24 *** welterde [~welterde@2001:470:1f0b:592:ff:0:1:3] has joined #openttd 14:13:31 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:34 <Eddi|zuHause> although coca cola is the dominating brand in europe anyway 14:13:51 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 14:14:04 <__ln__> Priski: so they say 14:14:08 <Priski> "Recognizing that its name is hard to pronounce in some countries, Pepsi is going by the name Pecsi in Argentina and Pesi in Spain. Ads show Spanish soccer star Fernando Torres unable to pronounce "Pepsi" while making a commercial and finally ripping the letter "p" from a Pepsi sign and telling the director the pronunciation is "Pesi" in his neighborhood." 14:15:14 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19192 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_airporttiles.cpp newgrf_airporttiles.h): -Fix (r19191): forgot to svn add the new file 14:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, some languages have trouble pronouncing multiple consonants... that's similar to asian people unable to distinguish l and r 14:15:56 <Priski> it's great that coca cola still has the "coca" in it despite brands history :) 14:16:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19193 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: increase the maximum number of airport tiles to 256 and introduce AirportTileOverrideManager 14:16:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19194 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: action 0/1/2/3 support for newgrf airporttiles 14:16:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19195 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: actually draw newgrf airport tiles 14:17:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19196 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp table/airporttiles.h): -Codechange: change the airport tile animation info so it works just like for industry tiles 14:17:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19197 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: introduce animation callbacks for airport tiles 14:17:12 <Priski> I guess best way is to make it simple as possible, like no consonants next to each other etc 14:17:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19198 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: store the size of stations in savegames 14:17:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-37-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19199 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add a 'name'-property to airport tiles 14:17:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19200 /trunk/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): -Doc: update the map array documentation 14:17:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-37-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:17:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19201 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_airporttiles.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: airport tiles now have 4 random bits per tile. 14:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause> spam! 14:18:40 * Eddi|zuHause kicks CIA-1 14:18:41 <CIA-1> ow 14:19:39 <Priski> wtf :D 14:20:18 <planetmaker> :-O 14:20:30 <planetmaker> NewGRF airports :-) 14:20:37 <Yexo> not yet 14:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: wrong 14:20:39 <Yexo> only airport tiles 14:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> NewGRF airporttiles 14:20:45 <planetmaker> he :-) 14:21:01 <planetmaker> I wasn't done reading yet ;-) 14:21:38 * roboboy should go to bed 14:21:59 * roboboy needs a new power suply for his old p2 machine 14:22:13 <Priski> no bed time yet 14:22:28 <Priski> we live here in the GMT timezone 14:22:33 <roboboy> its 1:22 AM here 14:22:57 <Priski> thats, err, around americas? 14:23:26 <Priski> ah australia? 14:23:33 <roboboy> yep 14:24:17 <Priski> must be hard when everything is upside down and inside out there :> 14:25:28 * roboboy goes on an upside down and inside out rampage 14:25:34 <Priski> southern hemisphere would be nice now, it just snows and snows here :( 14:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Priski: not if you are born there... 14:25:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:25:50 <roboboy> ello 14:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> thought experiment: assume you have a drug that switches the perception of red and green in your eyes 14:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> if you give that drug to an adult, he'll be very confused 14:26:14 <Priski> that would be so cool 14:26:19 <Priski> I want that :D 14:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you give that drug to a toddler, that child will learn "red is the colour of blood, and green is the colour of grass" 14:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and just go with that 14:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll never know that it ever got switched 14:26:53 <Priski> but Eddi|zuHause I know what you mean, that was just lame ass joke :) 14:26:57 <SirSquidness> 01:21:59 * roboboy needs a new power suply for his old p2 machine <-- it would be cheaper to replace the entire PC than to just replace the power supply... almost 14:27:29 <roboboy> I can get a low powered PS for AUD 14:27:45 <SirSquidness> If it's a P2, it's likely to be an old AT PSU? 14:27:51 <SirSquidness> I haven't seen them around the shops for a while 14:27:55 <roboboy> or there abouts 14:28:20 <Priski> :o 14:28:22 <roboboy> I think its a Micro ATX 14:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> AT boards have a single row of power supply pins, ATX have a double row 14:37:45 <Priski> only intresting thing about winter olympics is hockey and cannot even watch that since ridicilous times they play it 14:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what they have invented recording for... 14:38:32 <Priski> why earth would just be flat 14:38:55 <Priski> Eddi|zuHause: well its hard not get the score before you can watch it 14:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen any (ice-)hockey scores in years... 14:39:29 <Priski> and fin vs swe, they could made so that it would be played around midnight here but nooo.... 14:40:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19202 /trunk/bin/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r19181): some translations were wrong 14:40:39 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 14:56:06 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:03 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:59:57 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:31 <Priski> oh those russian truck drivers 15:09:26 <Priski> there is given warning about slippery road, then comes russian with big lorry drunk as hell and drives wrong side of road with big lorry 15:10:39 <Priski> on a wide busy 4 lane in middle of day 15:12:09 <SmatZ> why do you think he was drunk? 15:12:55 <Priski> because police took the test and in it showed 0.245% 15:13:26 <Priski> I cant even walk straight when I get that drunk... 15:13:29 <SmatZ> that's a LOT :) 15:13:31 <SmatZ> hehe 15:13:43 <SmatZ> obviously you don't have to walk when you are driving 15:14:09 <Priski> :D 15:14:13 <Priski> well no 15:14:42 <Priski> 4 cars had to steer into ditch to safety but no big accidents 15:14:53 <SmatZ> luckily :) 15:16:16 <Priski> When I was yougn and could not get boose legally sometimes we went to russian truck drivers to buy some vodka 15:17:01 *** u1 [~u1@h87-241-105-84.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:05 <SmatZ> :-/ 15:17:53 <Priski> you just walk up to them and ask for vodka, 1/3 of drivers would sell it, and almost half the price than legally 15:20:09 *** Gargami is now known as Gar`zzz 15:20:51 <roboboy> gnight 15:21:17 <Priski> night 15:34:09 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:37:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:40:59 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of aircraft capacity: http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/0222_bodenhansa_02.gif 15:54:49 *** ptr is now known as Guest167 15:58:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9406:7176:eba5:2011] has joined #openttd 15:58:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:02:39 <Priski> hmm, all cancelled? 16:02:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19203 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_airporttiles.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: silence some gcc warnings 16:03:41 <Priski> don't speak deutchlanddialect but that I figured 16:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> when i read "to silence" i always get an image of a gun and a pillow... 16:04:28 <Priski> :) 16:04:34 <SmatZ> :) 16:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Priski: well, the main gist is that the Lufthansa pilots are on strike, so in this parody, "Luft" [=air] has been replaced by "Boden" [=ground] 16:06:07 <Priski> ah 16:06:09 <Priski> :) 16:06:16 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:31 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 16:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Priski: the other stuff plays on bad service, requiring patience and "Going by train is also fun" :p 16:08:05 <Priski> in finland national rail company has been kinda like that for a while, because of snow 16:08:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19204 /trunk/src/table/airporttiles.h: -Fix (r1919x): airport tiles without animation had an incomplete contructor 16:09:13 <Priski> CEO just said that publicly "don't ride trains" couple days ago 16:09:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19205 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: move AirportSpec to newgrf_airport.h/cpp 16:10:25 <Priski> it's pretty ridicilous since everything else seems to work, it is said to be only company in finland that winter comes by suprise every year 16:11:36 <Priski> seems like transport is jammed everywhere in EU in some form nowadays 16:13:09 <Priski> my brother works at maintaining rail tracks, he said he's been gone to work 5-6am to work and comes back at 8pm to sleep at home every night for while now 16:14:19 <Priski> said only thing he does at home is come to sleep and leave for work in morning 16:16:45 <Priski> that just gave me an idea, summer/winter mod for OTTD? :D 16:17:02 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1726.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause> already implemented, GRFs can modify snow line depending on date 16:17:14 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:15 <Priski> :o 16:17:24 <Priski> didn't know that 16:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and industries can change production depending on above/below snow line 16:18:14 <Priski> do GRFs can modify maintenance cost dynamically also? 16:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure about that 16:18:29 <Priski> I know that they can modify some base values 16:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i have seen varation depending on running/waiting in station, not sure which other variables are available 16:19:33 <Priski> I use one that increases cost of terrain modifying so much that it does actually make sense to use bridges and make detours 16:20:19 <Priski> makes game much more fun that way IMO 16:20:43 <Priski> otherwise it's way too easy on most of the maps 16:24:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19206 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Add: concept of fallback base sets, i.e. do not automatically load the NoMusic/NoSound sets when there is another set 16:24:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19207 /trunk/src/misc/str.hpp: -Fix (r19127): compilation was broken for gcc 3.3 16:26:55 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:02 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:33:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19208 /trunk/src/newgrf_airporttiles.cpp: -Codechange: fix a gcc warning 16:38:30 <Priski> http://www.explosm.net/comics/1963/ 16:38:41 <Priski> "he tried to slide in on both occasions" 16:56:46 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-37-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:26 *** Guest167 [~peter@n19-p127.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:10:58 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 17:11:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-37-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:18:18 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 17:27:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:41:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:49:06 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 17:49:15 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 17:52:02 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:59:13 <Priski> hmm quess I have to learn yet another new language; LINQ :P 18:00:06 <u1> I kinda wish i could contribute to the project 18:00:13 <u1> dont have any porgramingskills 18:00:20 <Priski> :) 18:00:35 <u1> ive spent sooo many hours with ottd 18:00:42 <Rubidium> update the wiki? 18:00:54 <Priski> well anyone can surely do that 18:01:05 <u1> what needs updating? 18:01:08 *** u1 is now known as U1 18:02:09 <Rubidium> the part about the configuration settings; what everything means, what the implications are etc. 18:02:35 <U1> well ill see what I can do 18:02:49 <U1> ill look in to it Rubidium 18:03:32 <Priski> new pics from game since it now has OpenGFX? or does 1.0 eventually have OpenGFX as default grephics set? 18:03:45 <U1> dont think it does 18:04:05 <U1> theres an option for it in the installation if i remember correctly 18:04:15 <U1> atleast with the win installer 18:05:31 <Priski> didn't jump to 1.0.0 meant that finally OTTD is complete standalone, without need of external grfx from old TTD 18:05:56 <U1> if you go with the ogfx sure 18:06:04 <U1> and the osfx 18:06:37 <U1> i still prefer the old one tho :P 18:07:07 <U1> makes me remember the good old days when the game was new 18:08:26 <Priski> I didn't like OGFX at first but now I like it, it has more 'cleaner' look 18:15:13 <SpComb^> I'm considering sticking to principles and never playing OpenGFX :P 18:16:43 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 18:20:24 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:22:55 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:13 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@85.145.161.186] has joined #openttd 18:41:51 <aber> What build system is used to create the makefiles? Gnu Build System, autoconf? I have some trouble to track the files down... 18:42:26 <Yexo> for openttd? a custom configure file 18:42:30 <Yexo> just run ./configure 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19209 /trunk/src/lang/ (16 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 2 changes by josesun 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 6 changes by habell 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx 18:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:51:06 <aber> "custom"? This is done the hard way and handmade? That would explain the comments inside this files... 18:52:21 <Rubidium> aber: yes, autoconf is annoying 18:52:43 <Rubidium> and slow, horribly slow :( 18:54:05 <aber> Ever heard from cmake? 18:54:18 <planetmaker> aber, ever heart of the --help option ;-) 18:54:59 <aber> There is something from with loading libraries in OS X 18:55:02 <planetmaker> ./configure --help 18:55:18 <planetmaker> it's a universal configure file 18:55:19 <aber> There is something wrong with loading libraries in OS X 18:55:49 <planetmaker> *something* cannot be fixed nor explained 18:55:54 <planetmaker> ;-) 18:56:13 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's already fixed; it's unsupported thus no guarantees it works 18:56:50 <dihedral> Rubidium, i have a mac i don't use, you can come and pick it up if you like :-D 18:57:29 <frosch123> does it include some spirit? 18:57:42 <frosch123> and a lighter? 18:58:45 <glx> [19:54:05] <aber> Ever heard from cmake? <-- yes worse than autoconf for me 18:59:47 <Rubidium> dihedral: to do WHAT with it? 19:00:03 <Rubidium> I guess beagling is a something I would do with it 19:03:39 <Yexo> planetmaker: I know you created the ttdpatch wiki pages for newgrf railtypes, can you help me creating them for newgrf airporttiles too? (feature 11) 19:03:57 <Yexo> addnig the content is no problem, but I'm not sure how to add new pages 19:04:32 <planetmaker> Yexo, I cannot add new pages, too. It needs DaleStan to add them. 19:05:02 <dihedral> Rubidium, one of your replies to a thread emphasizes the fact that you do not yourself have a mac to fix the bugs and test etc. :-P 19:05:02 <planetmaker> Looking at it... it's pretty similar to IndustryTiles? 19:05:11 <Yexo> yes 19:05:12 <planetmaker> Except action0 and VarAction2AirportTiles I guess 19:05:15 <planetmaker> right? 19:05:33 <Yexo> normal action 2 is the same 19:05:40 <Yexo> so yes, only action 0 and varaction 2 19:05:42 <Rubidium> dihedral: many others that I can't be bothered to become the OS X maintainer 19:06:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:06:30 <planetmaker> Yexo, should the same be requested for Airports at the same time? 19:06:40 <Yexo> there are alraedy pages for airports 19:06:49 <planetmaker> And why is no one of the OpenTTD devs a newgrf wiki admin :S 19:06:53 <Yexo> at least some pages 19:07:21 <Yexo> oh, there aren't actually 19:07:25 <planetmaker> Well. Actually: we can create the pages. We cannot add them to the TOC 19:07:26 <Yexo> so yes, that might be a good idea 19:07:48 <planetmaker> It just needs a link (or URL-editing) to start a new page 19:09:00 <planetmaker> I'll start with action0 19:10:38 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 19:14:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1726.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:14 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:49 <planetmaker> Yexo, concerning the callback flags and animation triggers: what is already decided there wrt their values (actions 0E and 11)? 19:23:08 <sparr> there is a feature request open for better competing station rating / cargo distribution. i am submitting a patch to fix a bug in the current calculation. should i file a new bug (instead of feature request), or add it to the feature request? 19:23:20 <Yexo> planetmaker: see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=47265 19:24:16 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 19:25:05 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:40 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 19:28:27 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:31:23 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:31:46 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0AirportTiles <-- Yexo 19:32:27 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:39 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:35:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-37-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 19:36:05 <dihedral> since when is darkvater back in the forums? :-P 19:36:18 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/cb36aircraft.diff <- Eddi|zuHause: you missed one hunk 19:36:32 <Rubidium> since 22-02-2010 20:03:17 ? 19:36:59 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 19:39:42 <dihedral> :-P 19:41:04 <Yexo> thanks planetmaker 19:41:13 <Yexo> I'll check it later, there is something wrong :( 19:41:25 <Yexo> Please note that callback 153 doesn't have a bit here. To use callback 153, simply set the wanted bits in property 11 and it will work as intended. <- under the callback flags 19:41:35 <Yexo> but the table lists bit 0 as bit for cb 153 19:42:11 <planetmaker> eh... right 19:42:43 <Yexo> Animation triggers via callback 153 (11) <- that should be 152 19:42:58 <Yexo> so also "callback 152 doesn't have a bit here..." 19:43:24 <Yexo> that wasn't documented at all in my forum post 19:43:47 <planetmaker> it wasn't. But I failed at translating the callbacks ;-) 19:45:14 <frosch123> planetmaker: never write "unused", always "reserved" :) 19:45:28 <planetmaker> ok, I'll change that then in this go, too ;-) 19:45:37 <sparr> two-line fix for a bug in affecting cargo splitting between stations in competition games... http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3637 19:46:24 <PeterT> Do you think they're not going to see it unless you spam it in here? :-P 19:46:39 *** CIA-1 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 19:46:41 *** CIA-8 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 19:46:45 *** CIA-8 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 19:46:46 <sparr> PeterT: probably not, but that's me being jaded over bug handling 19:48:28 <Yexo> bug handling is easy: chose one of: * bug->feature request and forget about it, * close as "works as intended", * blame mac osx 19:49:01 <sparr> PeterT: also, my thought is that most people aware of the issue think it's a long term feature request, not realizing there's a small bug in the code that is exacerbating the deficiencies in the intended algorithm 19:49:26 <Yexo> or they are aware of the issue and think it works as it should 19:49:41 <planetmaker> Yexo, the callbacks still need implementation, right? 19:50:12 <planetmaker> hm... "callbacks for animation"... maybe there ;-) 19:50:14 <Yexo> planetmaker: no, they're already implemented (except the "callback xx") 19:50:19 <sparr> that is, some people think 100%/99% rating causing a 66%/33% split is unfair. arguing against that is hard, and causes feature request level bugs. but there is a bug that causes the split to be 66%/16%, which makes the problem appear bigger than it really is 19:50:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:51:15 <sparr> i happen to agree on that first part, but it's outside the scope of getting the bug fixed 19:54:38 <Hirundo> Or 'they' prefer a patch that adheres to the coding style 19:58:08 <sparr> Hirundo: link? 19:58:44 <Hirundo> Check the wiki 19:58:44 <sparr> I'm not familiar with openttd's specific style. For such a small change it seems trivial to fix if you point it out to me. 19:58:47 <PeterT> http://wiki.openttd.org/Coding_Style 19:58:56 <sparr> ok, thanks 19:59:17 <frosch123> or they consider it normal that if you are constantly spammed by the advertisements of two companies, you decide for none 20:07:12 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:16 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:02 <sparr> frosch123: ha 20:08:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:08:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:08:24 <sparr> frosch123: you assume some level of advertising with no advertising campaign? 20:09:11 <sparr> Hirundo: the problem is ">>" vs " >> "? 20:09:31 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:09:47 <Hirundo> Yes 20:10:01 <planetmaker> hmpf. Newgrf wiki gong gaga 20:10:08 <planetmaker> *gone 20:10:38 <sparr> thanks for the tip 20:11:07 <frosch123> planetmaker: go to the forum and suggest to port it to mediawiki :) 20:11:25 <planetmaker> Nah, I like my head where it is now 20:11:37 <planetmaker> ;-) 20:12:11 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ragzid] 20:12:46 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 20:16:26 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:07 *** CIA-2 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 20:23:29 <sparr> Yexo: I think there's a difference in "players disagree with the design" and "the implementation differs from the design" 20:24:55 <Yexo> sparr: I completely agree 20:25:21 <Yexo> however I doubt you can show any design that says the cargo distribution to stations should behave in another way then it does now 20:25:26 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:26:16 <sparr> the comments seem, to my reasonably practiced eye, to indicate that the penalty is meant to be applied to the split of available cargo between the two stations 20:26:28 <sparr> it being applied again later looks like an oversight on the part of the responsible coder 20:27:23 *** mrcool [~mrcool@ti0057a340-0279.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:28:06 <sparr> i admit they aren't entirely clear 20:28:10 <Yexo> the code has been like this since r1 (in this svn repo), so I'm wondering how plain ttd handles this case 20:28:26 <Yexo> if ttd handles this the same, then the comments are in no way a reference to the design 20:28:39 <sparr> an interesting question. is anyone here able and willing to test in ttd? 20:30:24 <sparr> it should be easy to test. build two stations with the same <100% rating and consistent service, see if the % transferred for the industry matches the ratings to within 2%, or differs by 5-10% 20:30:58 <Yexo> openttd 0.1.4 (earliest source I could find) already works this way 20:31:33 <sparr> i would expect it's been this way since the code was first written 20:31:48 <frosch123> 0.1 also does 20:31:54 * sparr *acquires* a copy of TTD to test 20:32:23 * SmatZ is happy sparr does that instead of him ;) 20:32:39 <PeterT> SmatZ: Hello 20:32:44 <SmatZ> hello PeterT :) 20:32:44 <PeterT> I've been looking for you 20:32:52 <sparr> so much for not needing to get TTD now that opengfx is ready :) 20:33:13 <PeterT> Do you have a copy of the DoCommand log patch used at #openttdcoop available for me to use? 20:33:24 <PeterT> if so, I would be most grateful 20:33:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19214 /trunk/bin/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 20:33:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Add: NoSound, just like NoMusic; makes installation easier 20:33:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: translation of NoSound and other sets 20:36:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19215 /trunk/src/ (order_base.h order_cmd.cpp order_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Add Order::GetLocation() to deduplicate code. 20:42:47 <sparr> waiting for my test station ratings to stabilize 20:42:55 <sparr> i had forgotten how much UI improvement ottd has over ttd 20:43:56 <sparr> two stations stable at 80%, waiting one month for the industry % transported to catch up 20:44:17 <andythenorth> hi hi 20:45:44 <sparr> in openttd 80%:80% ratings results in goods split 66%:33% and goods actually moved as 52%:13% (total 65%) 20:46:03 <sparr> in ttd the total moved is 79%, which is within rounding error of 80%, imo 20:49:02 <sparr> doublechecking in openttd to make sure my math is right 20:50:30 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19216 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt vehicle_gui.cpp): -Feature: Scroll to current order destination when ctrl+clicking the start/stop bar. 20:54:07 <sparr> in openttd i see 82%:82% ratings resulting in 71% transported 20:54:17 <sparr> so i THINK openttd behavior differs from ttd behavior here 20:54:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:55:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19217 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange: Unify punctuation marks. 21:01:56 * planetmaker Ctrl+clicks on frosch123 's start/stop bar 21:02:56 <planetmaker> hm... no scroll, no quak... outside OpenTTD :-P 21:03:40 <sparr> with ratings 63%:55%, the distribution of moved goods seems to be about 5:1, which disagrees with openttd and any other algorithm i can think of 21:03:55 <sparr> in ttd, that is 21:03:58 <frosch123> maybe next order is nearest depot 21:04:19 <PeterT> Thanks frosch123, that's a neat feature 21:04:31 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:04:49 <frosch123> if someone asks whether it will be backported to 1.0, i will revert it :p 21:05:22 <sparr> backported to a version that's not released yet? was 1.0 forked already? 21:06:03 <PeterT> yes 21:06:04 <frosch123> rc's are from branches in ottd context 21:06:11 <PeterT> svn.openttd.org/branches/1.0 21:06:19 <sparr> ahh, k 21:09:35 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:10:22 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:57 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:56 <aber> Okay, I resolved one of the mac library problems. Hopefully not the one, that is already resolved. So, probably someone can review what i did and consider to merge it into the trunk. http://wolkentempel.de/daten/config.lib.diff 21:21:36 <aber> Should i append this to the bug tracker? 21:23:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA02A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]] 21:25:48 <sparr> Yexo: so, differening from TTD is a significant factor? 21:27:04 <Yexo> <sparr> with ratings 63%:55%, the distribution of moved goods seems to be about 5:1, which disagrees with openttd and any other algorithm i can think of <- how does openttd behave with 63%:55% ratings? 21:27:28 <sparr> harder to duplicate 21:27:41 <Yexo> sparr: no, but if openttd behaves the same as ttd then it the comments would be wrong and it'd behave "as designed", at least for this code 21:27:58 <sparr> hmm, perhaps i was unclear 21:28:01 <sparr> there are two issues here 21:28:41 <sparr> first, how the available goods are split between the stations. that may or may not be fair, and may or may not match ttd. that is a more debate-worthy topic and much harder to test 21:29:14 <sparr> second is how many goods are wasted by each station after the split happens. this is the area i am investigating, and where i see the probably-bug in the openttd code and the difference in ttd and openttd behavior 21:31:02 <sparr> this being my first openttd patch, i opt to limit the scope to the easier problem :) 21:31:37 <sparr> this bug, if it is a bug, skews discussion of the first issue by making the current distribution method appear to be less fair than it was meant to be 21:32:09 <frosch123> so, try to locate the code in the ttd executible 21:33:24 <sparr> that is far beyond my skills 21:34:07 <sparr> if such was done to create the openttd code (ignoring the copyright implications), the possible origin of the bug is more clear 21:34:12 <sparr> a simple variable transposition 21:34:50 <sparr> frosch123: you realize that looking at the executable for ttd taints future contributions to openttd? 21:35:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:56 <ccfreak2k> Have someone look for you. 21:36:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:06 <ccfreak2k> Someone not intent on making patches. 21:38:37 <frosch123> fine, then i will continue looking at ttdp, to improve compatibility 21:38:37 <sparr> that doesn't really help 21:39:14 <sparr> the folks over in #winehq on freenode can give you a more thorough briefing on the problems with having people look at the original binaries 21:39:48 <Yexo> you do realize that in case of openttd that doesn't matter much? 21:40:46 <sparr> much, sure. 21:46:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19218 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp newgrf.cpp newgrf_properties.h vehicle.cpp): -Feature: [NewGRF] Add CB36 support for aircraft properties 0F and 11. (Eddi) 22:00:40 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:48 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has joined #openttd 22:08:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:08:30 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:24 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:11:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:10 <Belugas> night all 22:12:29 <PeterT> good night Belugas 22:13:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:14:07 <SmatZ> PeterT: yes :) 22:14:22 <SmatZ> PeterT: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/bb/ 22:14:24 <SmatZ> bb2 22:14:31 <PeterT> Thanks! 22:14:38 <PeterT> what is it called bb? 22:14:38 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@85.145.161.186] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 22:14:48 <SmatZ> big brother :-p 22:14:55 <PeterT> haha 22:17:58 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@61.138.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:49 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:19:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1726.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/cb36aircraft.diff <- Eddi|zuHause: you missed one hunk <-- aha, alright... but it's not a functional change ;) 22:30:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, of course i missed him... 22:40:34 <sparr> some forumgoers seem unhappy at posting in old threads 22:45:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 22:47:59 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:01:44 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D945F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:02:01 *** Forgetful_Lion [HydraIRC@CPE-121-208-195-54.szxk1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:06:24 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> # Und Gott sprach zu der Menge: 23:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> # IHR SEID SO LEISE 23:14:39 <OwenS> :-( 23:14:52 <OwenS> Sun.com is now a redirect to Oracle.com 23:14:56 <OwenS> An era has closed 23:15:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:17:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:18:39 <__ln__> :( 23:19:05 <OwenS> The unfortunate side effect of the redirect is I will never be able to find information there again 23:19:13 <OwenS> Because Oracle's site organization is terrible 23:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember ever being to either of these sites, except for downloading java 23:20:16 <OwenS> I work on some BerkelyDB based code 23:20:21 <OwenS> Navigating Oracle's site is a nightmare 23:22:49 <OwenS> On the other hand, I'm glad the acquisition went ahead before all the regulatory burden killed Sun completely 23:24:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:25:53 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-168-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:27:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:27:24 <__ln__> -24 °C 23:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause> not even my freezer has that... 23:28:46 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-75-248.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:28:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> # Chicks were born to give ya fever 23:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> # Be it fahrenheit or centigrade 23:30:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:42:18 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 23:45:19 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@29.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:48:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:52:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:15 *** PeterT|Irssi [~Peter@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:43 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@61.138.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:54:12 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]