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00:02:20 <Zuu> Night 00:02:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:23 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 00:04:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:10:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:10:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:23:07 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 00:23:09 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:24:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 00:30:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 00:30:50 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:38:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19330 /trunk/src/newgrf_airport.h: -Cleanup: remove the now unused 'oilrig' from AirportSpec 00:40:31 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 00:43:45 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:44:39 <PeterT> glx? 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03:29:07 <PeterT> Good, you? 03:29:14 <PeterT> Bit tired, actually 03:29:19 <Starn> Pretty good. 03:29:57 <Starn> Ah I would be. But I went to bed around 2pm... Woke up at 8. My time. 03:30:31 <PeterT> Actually, I think I'll be heading off to bed right now 03:30:49 <Starn> Alright. Night mate. 03:30:51 <PeterT> Good night 03:30:57 <Starn> I am gonna work on my song some more. 03:30:59 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-141-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:33 <PeterT> Good luck on that. 03:32:00 <Starn> Hard to make a midi sound good. ;) 03:39:09 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:41 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:40:37 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cec1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:40 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:22 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:43:15 *** _teeone [oryan@sometimes.hoes.need.to.be.slapped.us] has joined #openttd 03:48:02 *** teeone [oryan@sometimes.hoes.need.to.be.slapped.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:59:40 *** roboboy 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loaded. 04:46:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:47:34 <Starn> i think its all japanese sets i am using and i am trying for more than 418 length bridge. 05:12:59 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 05:13:59 <DanMacK> !seen Pikka 05:14:27 <DanMacK> wrong channel... oops :P 05:25:25 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 05:28:05 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 05:36:13 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 05:41:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:42:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:44:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 05:44:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined 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#openttd 06:51:46 <Starn> how come when i try to play OpenTTD online it messes up my connection to the Internet it will start disconnecting and reconnecting until i restart my router every time i try playing online 06:52:05 <Starn> you can email me answer at stanton.e@gmail.com if i get disconnected again. 06:52:34 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:55:43 *** Guest441 [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:56:45 *** Starn is now known as Guest443 06:56:47 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:07 *** Guest443 [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:10:01 *** Starn is now known as Guest445 07:10:03 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:17 *** Guest445 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Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:42:30 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@213.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:44:38 <Terkhen> good morning 09:45:08 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.10.16] has joined #openttd 09:47:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.201.86] has joined #openttd 09:50:29 <planetmaker> good morning Terkhen 09:50:38 <planetmaker> and also good morning all others :-) 09:51:20 <Starn> Good morning. 09:54:21 * roboboy feeds some cheese into planetmaker's CD drive 09:54:30 <planetmaker> yummi :-) 09:59:46 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest464 09:59:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:08 *** Guest464 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:55 <Starn> I'm extremely sad now. Every thing related to IRC i use to use is out of date by nearly 10 years......... 10:07:29 <planetmaker> ? 10:07:55 <planetmaker> time passes, you know ;-) And it's good 10:08:15 <Alberth> think about all the new stuff waiting to be discovered by you 10:08:42 <planetmaker> ^ that's the positive attitude :-) 10:08:42 <Starn> Even the things for mIRC is out of date most upto date crap i can find addon/script/theme wise is 2005 lol 10:09:07 <planetmaker> "the only constant is the change itself" 10:09:27 <Starn> would the older stuff work on windows 7 64bit? so far mIRC is working.... 10:10:16 <roboboy> 64bit shouldn't be a prob unless the software is 16bit 10:10:38 <dih> planetmaker, wrong :-P 10:10:57 <planetmaker> no! ;-) 10:11:02 <dih> a lot of other stuff is constant too 10:11:17 <dih> i.e. the fact that ms sells crap :-P 10:11:24 <planetmaker> hehe. 10:11:32 <dih> the fact that apple mucks up their api with each new release 10:11:39 <planetmaker> Though I don't generally subscribe to that either. :-) 10:11:57 <planetmaker> (both statements are grossly general :-P) 10:11:57 <dih> :-P 10:12:02 <Starn> tempted to go back to linux and just use irssi... 10:12:08 * planetmaker tries to defend desperately the 'no' ;-) 10:12:22 <dih> yes, way to go - in order to use a decent irc client, we move back to linux 10:12:23 * Starn pokes planetmaker to throw him off 10:12:34 * planetmaker jumps 10:13:18 <Starn> well win7 is primarly my gamer/multimedia system.. and my linux is just sitting there getting dust... 10:14:34 <planetmaker> that sounds like a user error ;-) 10:14:50 <Starn> lol 10:15:12 <Starn> i play alot of games where they ban you if you're on linux... 10:15:41 <planetmaker> that sounds like a peer-group error :-P 10:15:56 <Starn> the american Army.. and punkbuster lol 10:16:45 * roboboy ponders trying to play Tube 10:16:51 * planetmaker is basically sick of "this OS is 'better'" - and uses at least three on a daily basis 10:17:10 <roboboy> which do you think is better? 10:17:24 <Starn> brb installing polaris X only thing i could find the reminds me of the past and looks like its easy to use like the old school stuff 10:17:28 <planetmaker> Depends on the task at hand, roboboy :-) 10:17:33 <Starn> i think all are eqaully great 10:17:48 <planetmaker> All equally suck ;-) 10:17:52 <Starn> though if your into hacking i don't suggest windows.. 10:17:55 * roboboy agrees 10:17:55 <planetmaker> just differently 10:18:12 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [] 10:18:19 * roboboy likes MSDOS for somethings 10:18:25 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 10:18:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:49 <planetmaker> somewhere below my roof there's a box with 2 5.25" disks with MSDOS 3.3... 10:18:59 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:04 <roboboy> playing (O)TT(O)(D(P)) 10:19:27 <roboboy> thats what DOS is good for 10:19:37 <planetmaker> for OpenTTD it *might* not be the best choice, even if it works ;-) 10:19:54 <roboboy> if I could get it on the net id use it for IRC 10:20:09 <roboboy> yeah OpenTTD is best not run under DOS 10:20:30 <roboboy> unless someone gets it to have network support 10:20:50 <planetmaker> That's afaik a DOS issue there, not OpenTTD one 10:21:16 <roboboy> yeah as there is no standard TCP/IP stack for DOS 10:22:16 <roboboy> you could try and target trumpet which is from my knowledge pretty standard and pretty similar to the berkley sockets standard 10:23:06 * roboboy wonders why Win TTD uses a different palette to DOS TTD 10:24:05 <planetmaker> probably 'hysterical raisins' [TM] 10:24:47 <roboboy> lol 10:25:29 <roboboy> I wonder if the Win version of OpenGFX would work under DOS OTTD 10:25:49 <planetmaker> it would 10:26:07 <planetmaker> the name "dos palette" and "win palette" has nothing to do with the OS it is run under. 10:26:13 <roboboy> thats what I would think 10:26:18 <planetmaker> Just... historical reasons for the names 10:26:27 <roboboy> yeah 10:27:11 *** Starn [~blood@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:13 <Starn> back 10:27:20 <roboboy> so why change the pallete? Wouldn't that have meant extra work that is theoretically unneeded 10:27:55 <roboboy> unless directx didn't like the DOS palette 10:28:12 <planetmaker> wb, Starn 10:28:29 <Starn> probably what it was roboboy 10:28:35 <planetmaker> roboboy: who knows :-) 10:28:49 <roboboy> hehe 10:29:21 <roboboy> but then OpenTTD shouldn't be able to use the DOS files on windows, so that can't be it 10:29:56 <planetmaker> roboboy: you might need to investigate old 1st generation VGA cards probably in order to find out ;-) 10:32:49 <roboboy> dont both palettes offer exactly the same core colours? 10:33:27 <planetmaker> the DOS palette has more 10:33:42 <roboboy> hm 10:33:55 <roboboy> never knew that 10:34:15 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=PalettesAndCoordinates <-- compare yourself :-) 10:34:15 <roboboy> I thought the windows Palette had more 10:40:34 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:45 <Starn> So.. I totally scrapped my music project and have started over again.. I found it to be to fitting for roleplaying games. 10:47:58 <dih> <Starn> i play alot of games where they ban you if you're on linux... <- you just play a lot of games with the wrong people 10:49:08 <Starn> dih: lol yea no joke well its mainly punkbuster whom ban me and other anticheat people saying invalid windows API under linux most games i run are under wine. 10:49:32 <ccfreak2k> That's because PunkBuster sucks. 10:49:36 <ccfreak2k> Badly. 10:49:51 <Starn> ccfreak2k: i agree so much. I 10:50:05 <Starn> I've been looking for ways to shut them down legally. 10:51:22 <dih> ....?? 10:51:55 <Starn> Holy Crap. I wish I had dual monitors back when i used IRC daily! This is rather useful. 10:51:59 <dih> do elaborate... while i go get some popcorn 10:52:05 <Starn> lol 10:55:05 <Starn> well dih. About a year ago they banned me from every game that used PB even games that was just bought they did this on false terms at that. So I am sure you know my fustration with them? I've Resolved these issues after 4 months of fighting them. They are technically a hack anyways. So if its bad to use hacks shouldnt it be bad to use them as well? 10:56:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba94d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:31 <dih> ho - this is cute! 10:56:53 <Rubidium> so... just play OpenTTD all day. It's a lot cheaper 10:57:04 <dih> hihi 10:57:09 <dih> lets implement pb :-D 10:57:14 <Starn> Rubidium. pretty much what i am doing 10:57:21 <Rubidium> and doesn't discriminate between people running it on Windows or on wine (or on reactos) 10:58:09 <Starn> I think openTTD has won my heart over even Starcraft. 10:59:13 <dih> yeha - people dont go irate here if they have been fraged :-P 10:59:56 <Starn> Hmm. I am setting up an Sandbox game in openTTD. And I was wondering is there a list of usful options somewhere? 11:04:17 * roboboy goes to fidle with his test pc 11:04:32 * roboboy sticks NT4 on it 11:05:15 <dih> Starn, i suggest you have a look at the openttd website, and inspect some of the links you can find 11:06:50 <Alberth> 'useful' depends on your playing style 11:07:48 <Starn> I'm Expermenting on building the Perfect railway with no traffic jams... 11:08:00 <planetmaker> Starn: the 'advanced settings' show you a list of 'useful' options :-) 11:08:26 <planetmaker> just make sure that you get them all. Otherwise a cat ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg helps :-P 11:08:35 <Starn> yea i been toyin with that planetmaker also toyin with cheats in my sandbox save :D 11:08:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19333 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix (r19328): int versus uint comparison warning fixed. 11:08:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r19332 /trunk/src/ (mixer.cpp mixer.h sound.cpp): -Codechange: Simplify sound panning by using float data, and switch to sinusoidal algorithm to maintain output level. 11:09:07 * planetmaker just found out that a sound base set is not very similar to grfs... 11:10:36 <planetmaker> mainly the assumption that any wav file mentioned in the source is a dependency doesn't hold :S 11:11:34 <peter1138> hmm 11:11:42 <peter1138> helvetica fails :s 11:11:58 <planetmaker> must be caused by the direct democracy there :-P 11:12:50 <dih> <Starn> I'm Expermenting on building the Perfect railway with no traffic jams... <- now that's something nobody attempted :-P 11:13:18 <peter1138> no, http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/helv.png 11:13:21 <Starn> lol i know i've seen some of them a lot of great work 11:14:01 <Starn> my issue is i like big big big networks that are seemingly impossible to not have issues in. 11:14:23 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 11:15:43 <Alberth> disabling breakdowns helps a lot :p 11:18:29 <Alberth> hmm, if you build a dedicated track for each train, you'd have no traffic jams 11:19:01 <Starn> thats how my none sandbox game is setup direct links no junctions or anything. 11:28:08 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba94d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:34:43 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:35:18 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:36:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:47:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.162.175] has joined #openttd 11:55:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19334 /trunk/src/ (base_station_base.h station.cpp): -Codechange: method-call codestyle fixes, and introduction of const reference formal parameter. 11:59:21 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:07:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:07 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:11:22 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 12:15:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19335 /trunk/src/ (base_station_base.h station.cpp): -Codechange: StationRect::BeforeAddTile() returns a CommandCost. 12:20:19 <Starn> yay i made my first large scale railroad network with no jams! 12:21:40 <PeterT> congrats, Starn 12:22:03 <roboboy> is there anywhere I should put a guide to running OpenTTD under DOS? 12:22:15 <Starn> use dos box? 12:22:16 <roboboy> would it be suitable on the wiki? 12:22:24 <Starn> oh 12:22:28 <roboboy> I mean on TRUE MSDOS 12:22:30 <Starn> yea i would say so 12:22:42 <roboboy> it works out of the box in DOSBox 12:22:43 <Starn> sorry i missed read question. 12:23:07 * roboboy wonders what the best section would be 12:23:12 <PeterT> roboboy: yes, on the wiki 12:23:19 <roboboy> and where to link to it from 12:23:20 <PeterT> roboboy: wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_Dos 12:23:21 <Rubidium> roboboy: works is 'ofcourse' an overstatement 12:23:29 <Starn> my railroad network is alot like nascar lol one one way to turn 12:23:31 <roboboy> ofcourse 12:23:44 <roboboy> but it starts and is playable 12:24:02 <Starn> sounds awesome. 12:24:09 <roboboy> lol 12:24:36 <Starn> would it work on modern system such as windows 7 pro 64bit? 12:24:57 <roboboy> I had to install DOSLFN and disable MM386 or whatever it is 12:25:01 <roboboy> yes 12:25:09 <roboboy> I run it on there as well 12:25:19 <Starn> alright sounds like its worth looking into. 12:25:31 <Starn> i only have TTD and openTTD though. 12:27:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19336 /trunk/src/ (train.h train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Move rail speed limit to its own function. 12:28:31 <Rubidium> roboboy: you mean long filenames now 'just' work? 12:29:31 * peter1138 wonders how to fix bitmap fonts 12:29:41 <roboboy> yep 12:29:58 <peter1138> the metrics we use are only available for scalable fonts 12:30:48 <roboboy> Long Filenames don't just work for old programs not written to use them but new programs written to use them just work 12:31:06 <peter1138> well 12:35:37 <Starn> If you're to make a portable version of openTTD how would you make it not creat a folder in my documents folder? 12:36:03 *** CIA-2 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:36:07 *** CIA-7 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 12:36:15 * PeterT hugs CIA-7 12:36:15 * CIA-7 hugs PeterT 12:36:24 * PeterT kills CIA-7 12:36:24 * CIA-7 dies 12:36:33 * Starn kisses CIA-7 12:36:42 <Starn> :( awe no kissing back lol 12:41:30 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19337 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Create the GroundVehicle class. 12:42:06 <roboboy> Starn, OpenTTD uses the OS'es API to decide where my documents is so if the OS doesnt have an API for it, then it wont create it and ofcourse the devs can tell OpenTTD if a system has a my documents folder or not 12:43:05 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19338 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: Move the acceleration cache to GroundVehicle. 12:43:27 <Rubidium> oh for crying out loud... does *anyone* *ever* *read* the *readme* *before* asking it for the nth time? 12:43:27 <Starn> dang. every system i know has this.. 12:44:06 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8db1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:42 <PeterT> commit spree 12:44:43 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19339 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Move acceleration functions to GroundVehicle. 12:45:58 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19340 /trunk/src/ground_vehicle.hpp: -Documentation: Add a list of required functions to GroundVehicle. 12:48:53 <Starn> i am happy my network can handle 8 trains so far with only 4 tracks in some areas. 12:50:02 <PeterT> only 4 tracks? 12:50:10 <PeterT> 4 tracks to and back? 12:51:06 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19341 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 12:51:06 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Move GOINGUP/GOINGDOWN flags to GroundVehicle. 12:51:06 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Move GetSlopeResistance to GroundVehicle. 12:51:27 <Starn> the least amount of tracks in southren section of map is 2 tracks and 5 stops and east and west are 4 tracks and northen hops around from 2-4 and about 100k in signels. 12:51:59 <Starn> for every track is connected 12:52:16 <PeterT> Do you have a screenshot? 12:52:54 <Starn> no but i can try fitting it all into one screen i doubt this happening for it goes to the very top of map and to the very bottem. 12:52:56 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19342 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.hpp train.h train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Move inclination update functions to GroundVehicle. 12:53:28 <Starn> i can take screen shot of a couple of sections where track merges into either depot or train station for sure.. 12:53:59 <Starn> its a very basic layout. 12:54:54 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19343 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.cpp roadveh.h saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp): 12:54:54 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Make RoadVehicle a child class of GroundVehicle. 12:54:54 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Add: Required acceleration functions at RoadVehicle. 12:54:56 <PeterT> Oh 12:55:11 <Starn> it takes the direct line idea and throws in some turns to merge them basically. 12:56:07 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19344 /trunk/src/ (roadveh.h roadveh_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: RoadVehicle uses UpdateInclination instead of its own function. 12:56:47 <Starn> i am sure nearly every one can make this.. i am still fairly new so to speak. sure i use to play TTD when it was new but still i consider my self a noob 12:57:10 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19345 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: Realistic acceleration for road vehicles. 12:57:37 <PeterT> Yarr! 12:57:53 * PeterT translates! 12:58:46 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19346 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: Configurable slope steepness for road vehicles from 0% to 10%, default is 7%. 12:59:41 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19347 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Add: Vehicle GUI now shows power, weight and tractive effort for road vehicles. 12:59:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen roads with 20% inclination... 12:59:57 <Noldo> Terkhen: congrats on the commit access 13:00:03 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess at this point it is too late to change the newgrf specs to split tractive effort into adhesive weight and friction coefficient? 13:02:35 <roboboy> Rubidium, should I upload your bundle for DOS OpenTTD to a website somewhere or can I link to the link you gave me from my tutorial for the wiki? 13:03:29 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19348 /trunk/src/ (build_vehicle_gui.cpp settings.cpp): -Add: Allow to sort road vehicles by power and by power vs running cost at the engine preview window. 13:04:30 <Ammler> the intro game on RC2 looks like it runs already quite a long time 13:04:37 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19349 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Add: [NoAI] AIs can get the power, weight and tractive effort of a road vehicle. 13:05:06 <Ammler> for example the buses are close 13:06:01 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 13:06:37 <Terkhen> thank you Noldo :) 13:06:41 <Starn> [PeterT | tracks to and back? ] Yes sorta some turn around some don't its a gaint loop also. think nascar with the ability to turn around. 13:06:43 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:07:43 <KenjiE20> you can turn around in Nascar, only you normally end up in a pileup :P 13:07:59 <Starn> LOL KenjiE20 true true 13:08:18 <PeterT> Yexo here? 13:08:27 <Yexo> yes 13:08:28 <PeterT> Yexo: How did you change your nick on #openttd.notice? 13:08:34 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Quit: Damned if I do, damned if I don't] 13:08:49 <Yexo> register yourself with nickserv and then use identify to change your nick 13:09:04 <PeterT> use identify? 13:09:12 <Yexo> /msg nickserv help identify 13:09:15 <PeterT> /msg NickServ identify PeterT <password>? 13:09:25 <Yexo> yes 13:09:36 <Starn> PeterT i am uploading some screenies of this basic railroad system. its been running for about 18 years with no crashes i gave up on trying to make them go one direction. 13:09:42 <PeterT> Ok 13:10:15 <Ammler> and I have no breakdown so far 13:10:25 <Ammler> might it be possible, that is disabled? 13:10:35 <Starn> there is signels every 14 car train length 13:12:38 <Starn> am i allowed to post links to image shack? 13:13:52 <Alberth> Ammler: from the competition first post: Breakdowns will automatically be disabled, so try the game with breakdowns disabled. 13:14:17 <Alberth> Starn: you are allowed, but it is prefered to download onto the forum 13:14:48 <Alberth> (less annoying adds, longer availability) 13:14:48 <Starn> well this is a one time view.. than i am removing them.. 13:15:05 <Ammler> Alberth: ok :-$ 13:15:06 <Starn> and turning my profile back to private. 13:15:14 <Ammler> I miss the breakdown sound :-D 13:15:29 <Starn> its for PeterT and anyone else whom wants to see my 8 trains on 2-4 tracks lol 13:15:32 <Ammler> I never hear that in my own games... 13:15:41 <PeterT> oh 13:15:45 <Starn> http://img714.imageshack.us/i/ottdscreen1.jpg/ just click next there is 5 screen shots i think. 13:16:31 <Alberth> oh, not posting on the tt-forums.bet. Here, imageshack is ok 13:16:36 <Alberth> *net 13:16:38 <PeterT> Oh, those types of PBS... 13:16:48 <Starn> yea 13:17:00 <Starn> super simple. 13:17:09 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:17:23 <Alberth> except you need to allow scripts for the site to work 13:17:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:18:05 <Starn> ah i use firefox and noscript addon and adblock i trust imageshack i've been using them since almost the day they started 13:18:24 <PeterT> <Rubidium> oh for crying out loud... does *anyone* *ever* *read* the *readme* *before* asking it for the nth time? <-- Who was that directed at? 13:18:29 <Starn> not long ago i decided to make an account with them :P 13:18:53 <Ammler> PeterT: *anyone* 13:19:18 <Starn> I don't read the readme ;) i scan the readme and see if there is anything important to running the game :P 13:19:23 <PeterT> Ammler: Oh, Ok 13:20:10 <Ammler> Starn: you only need before you ask something... 13:20:37 <PeterT> fonsinchen: You already have a crash at the alternate economy thread 13:21:13 <Ammler> and you shouldn't answer questions which are already answered in the readme. 13:21:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:45 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: alberth * r19350 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: StationRect::BeforeAddRect() returns a CommandCost. 13:24:53 * PeterT kicks CIA-7 13:24:53 <CIA-7> ow 13:25:03 * PeterT eats CIA-7 13:25:03 * CIA-7 tastes crunchy 13:25:59 * Starn bites PeterT 13:26:28 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 13:26:39 * PeterT shrieks 13:28:23 * roboboy waits for his openttd.org registration email 13:30:26 <DJNekkid> is it possible to check if the measuring unit' option is set to Metric, imperial or SI ? (action 7/9) 13:30:43 <Starn> SI? 13:30:52 <PeterT> Standard something 13:31:18 <DJNekkid> international 13:31:24 <DJNekkid> from french i think 13:31:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d50d:e454:f020:cf0] has joined #openttd 13:31:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:33:52 <Starn> oh.. i'll stick to american stuff.... imperial first metric secondary 13:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> DJNekkid: no, that is a GUI settings, newgrfs cannot check those (desync hazard) 13:34:48 <PeterT> glx? 13:34:56 *** fjb is now known as Guest479 13:34:57 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BCF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> SI stands for SystÚme Internationale (i believe) 13:35:28 <DJNekkid> Starn: im not sure if you have tested the "nutracks", but someone pointed out that some people might want to have mph limits/texts, and not kmh.. 13:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> France was the first nation to adapt the system during the french revolution 13:36:01 <Starn> oh normally i MPH 13:36:05 <roboboy> hm starting openttd results in large amounts of hard disk activity 13:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Germany adapted it during the process of unification 13:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> steadily between 1840 and 1871 13:37:03 <Doorslammer> The UK has an instance where it uses both types of speed measurement 13:37:44 <Doorslammer> The main line from Heworth to Sunderland uses MPH, whilst the light rail that also uses the line is metric 13:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> well, germany was a huge mess... 13:37:57 <Doorslammer> So I dunno how that can be solved in one 13:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause> every german country used its own measurement system 13:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and there were like 60 of these ;) 13:38:39 <DJNekkid> always fun to watch UK cooking programs... they always say both farenheit and celcius, as well as cups/oz and mililiters, and pounds/(kilo)grams 13:39:03 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: yexo * r19351 /trunk/src/ (base_station_base.h station.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: use TileArea for AfterRemoveRect 13:39:03 <Doorslammer> Gastronomic juggling 13:39:11 <glx> mL is weird for cooking 13:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's "funny" to translate american cooking reciepts into german... because the americans measure in cups (volume) while the germans measure in grams (weight) 13:39:49 <glx> hmm can't remember if it's l or L 13:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's l 13:40:23 <glx> anyway usual measures are in cl 13:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i only see cl used for alcoholic drinks... 13:40:54 <glx> or in spoons 13:41:08 <glx> soup or coffee ;) 13:41:17 <Ammler> how many spoons is a cup? 13:41:24 <DJNekkid> lol 13:41:34 <Rubidium> Ammler: infinite 13:41:54 <Rubidium> "imagine there is no spoon" 13:42:04 *** Guest479 [~frank@p5485C9EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:22 <ccfreak2k> Teaspoons or tablespoons? 13:42:45 <thingwath> It's quite hard to imagine infinite number of nothing. 13:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: last time i cooked something it said "125ml oil" or "4 spoons oil" or "300ml water" 13:43:07 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, where do you live where oil and water are the same? :) 13:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: who said "same"? 13:43:27 <glx> not the same, look at the volume 13:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: the "or" is not part of the quote, obviously, as it's not in quotes 13:43:55 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA740.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:11 <glx> and 4 spoons is clearly no 125ml 13:44:32 <ccfreak2k> glx, what's worse, it doesn't even say what size of spoon. 13:44:50 <ccfreak2k> Or if the spoon should have holes to drain out almost all of the oil before you spoon it in. 13:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: that's because i don't know what "Esslöffel" is translated 13:45:17 <ccfreak2k> German> 13:45:19 <ccfreak2k> ? 13:46:01 <roboboy> hm I registered at http://account.openttd.org/en/signup and I havent gotten an email. its been well over 10 mins since I filled out the form 13:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> there are "Esslöffel" ("EL") and "Teelöffel" ("TL") 13:46:12 <glx> check spam box 13:46:16 <ccfreak2k> roboboy, you remember to send the check right? 13:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: maybe it didn't go through your server's greylisting yet? 13:47:34 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:37 <roboboy> ive checked my spambox its not there 13:47:48 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> esslöffel=eating spoon 13:48:01 <roboboy> its a standard gmail email address 13:48:02 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> teelöffel=tea spoon 13:49:39 <roboboy> lets see if OpenTTD DOS will load OpenGFX 13:50:00 <roboboy> ive even forced it via command line since last time i tried it wasn't happy 13:51:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:37 <Starn> roboboy i just signed up and it sent me an email instantly i use Gmail. its topic is OpenTTD Acccount Activation use your search bar and search for it 13:52:18 <roboboy> ok 13:52:23 <Starn> if that don't work i might suggest waiting 5 to 10 mins than asking it to resend 13:53:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d50d:e454:f020:cf0] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 13:53:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d50d:e454:f020:cf0] has joined #openttd 13:53:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:54:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4848.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:49 *** mecool is now known as MeCooL 14:00:31 <roboboy> hm OpenTTD Dos doesnt like OpenGFX 14:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: did you check md5sum? 14:01:04 <roboboy> no 14:01:22 <roboboy> I just copied a working copy from one computer to my DOS machine 14:01:45 <roboboy> it doesn't even appear in the game options drop down 14:01:47 <frosch123> filenames longer than 8 characters? 14:01:51 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:02:02 <planetmaker> yes :-P 14:02:23 <glx> the old 8.3 limitation :) 14:02:29 <DJNekkid> btw ... another question ... is there support for CC-colors on railtypes? 14:02:50 <frosch123> rail stuff is currently not recoloured at all 14:02:55 <roboboy> but I have a LFN driver for DOS that OpenTTD uses to save my savegames and screenshots 14:03:16 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: imho it's a neat to have feature 14:03:17 <DJNekkid> so ... i cant make for example a CC'ed 3rd rail? 14:03:42 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i posted a suggestion in the thread about it :) 14:04:44 * roboboy waits for openttd /h | more to run 14:06:35 <DJNekkid> or my "planning" tracks could be some CC-variant of the white "drag and drop" lines 14:07:00 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:32 <roboboy> shall I try and move OpenGFX out of the OpenGFX sub dir of DATA? 14:08:11 <frosch123> roboboy: you could try making the filenames shorter than 8 chars (also change them in the .obg) 14:09:01 <roboboy> ok 14:09:32 <roboboy> will that change their md5s or do they only change if I change the actual file contents? 14:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: no, md5 is pure file content 14:10:03 <roboboy> ok 14:10:05 <roboboy> good 14:12:15 * roboboy isnt in the mood for renaming all the files at the moment though 14:15:17 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has joined #openttd 14:15:41 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB390.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:33 <planetmaker> hm, 6 clicks and 6 edits roboboy ;-) 14:16:47 <planetmaker> well. Not on DOS. so 6 commands 14:17:21 <Ammler> roboboy: you could use the ttdpatch version 14:17:45 <roboboy> hm that would work 14:18:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d50d:e454:f020:cf0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d50d:e454:f020:cf0] has joined #openttd 14:18:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:18:26 <roboboy> I would have to make a obg for it though, but that would be easy 14:19:02 <roboboy> can I take a screenshot of the title screen without using print screen? 14:19:53 <glx> open console, type "screenshot no_con" 14:20:04 <roboboy> ok 14:20:06 <roboboy> thanx 14:20:41 <roboboy> im going to create some screenies for my DOS OpenTTD Guide that is a nearly finished WIP 14:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i need to come up with a riddle... but i have no inspiration... 14:24:34 <Eddi|zuHause> something that keeps the women busy for 10 minutes and turns out as something obscure like "bungee jumping"... 14:28:40 <roboboy> can someone recomend a random grf to test under DOS OpenTTD and for screenshot sake 14:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf is this "facebook" thingy the youths nowadays is so hyped about? 14:32:01 *** Starn [~blood@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has left #openttd [] 14:32:10 <roboboy> lol 14:32:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: palms are considered "not clean enough" anymore? Or doing 'it' with palms hurts more than doing 'it' with a book? 14:36:06 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, what gets wetter as it dries? 14:36:31 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: dry ice? 14:40:02 <PeterT> Do you need to have admin rights to move images to a different name? 14:40:05 <roboboy> gnight 14:40:15 <roboboy> my work is done for the jight/morning 14:40:21 <planetmaker> night roboboy 14:40:39 <PeterT> Can someone move http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:SCREEN~1.png to http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:DOS_Title_Screen.png? 14:41:17 <planetmaker> [15:36] <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: dry ice? <-- you'll have a hard time to get that wet under most circumstances... 14:41:35 <PeterT> Also, does loading *.sv1 usually cause a crash? 14:41:43 <PeterT> Should they be reported? 14:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no, yes. 14:42:05 <OwenS> PeterT: Except when it's a TTDPatch save IIRC? 14:42:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba94d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:14 <Yexo> PeterT: what's the point of that screenshot? I don't see any difference with a normal intro menu? 14:42:28 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:42:29 <PeterT> To prove the DOS port works? 14:42:48 <Yexo> but that screenshot is the same as from a windows build? how does that prove anything? 14:42:59 <OwenS> PeterT: I could have easily taken said screenshot with a fullscreen Solaris build if I wanted :p 14:43:02 <PeterT> Here is the crash report: http://paste.openttd.org/225154 14:43:18 <OwenS> (Yes, OpenTTD builds cleanly on OpenSolaris using the Sun compilers) 14:43:33 <Yexo> PeterT: now if the screenshot included for example the dosbox window around it then it'd be proof that somebody was able to load the intro game in dosbox 14:43:38 <PeterT> Wow, OpenTTD just crashed again when creating an emergency save 14:43:43 <OwenS> (At least I think it used the Sun compilers :P ) 14:43:47 <PeterT> Well, I didn't make it, roboboy did 14:44:34 <OwenS> Oh no, ./configure went ("gcc in path? Nice" and ignored my CC and CXX variables :-() 14:45:05 <Yexo> PeterT: was that savegame a clean ttd/tto one? if so, please create a bugreport and include crash.dmp 14:45:30 <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=862125#p862125 14:45:34 <PeterT> It was from there ^ 14:45:43 <PeterT> Ignore my response, that was when loading with TTDPatch 14:46:03 <roboboy> unles someone gives me a build of OpenTTD that says DOS OpenTTD on the title screen, I can not prove OpenTTD DOS works on real hardware 14:46:05 <OwenS> PeterT: Thats a TTDPatch save 14:46:24 <PeterT> Yexo: ^ 14:46:31 <Rubidium> roboboy: start game -> quit 14:46:45 <OwenS> Hmm, will OpenTTD DOS run with 2MB of RAM? Cause then I'll take a picture of it on my craptop :P 14:46:58 <roboboy> ok yeah that would work 14:47:08 <Yexo> if you can get to the intro screen you should be able to load at least a 64x64 map 14:47:17 <OwenS> Yexo: Wow 14:47:43 <OwenS> Then all I need to do is transfer it across on floppies 14:48:05 <OwenS> (And watch it run painfully slow on a 20Mhz 386-SX) 14:48:06 <ccfreak2k> (it was a towel btw) 14:48:32 <PeterT> Yexo: So, should I file the bug report or not? 14:48:42 <Yexo> no, as ttdpatch savegames are not supported 14:50:34 <PeterT> Oh, ok 14:50:53 <OwenS> Does TTDPatch mark it's saves at all? Cause if so, you should probably display a warning :p 15:01:59 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:17 <Starn> ugh nothing wants to be automatic anymore 15:02:54 <ccfreak2k> OwenS, at least you don't have to spend weeks compiling it with cc circa 1989. :) 15:03:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:03:40 <orudge> [14:50:53] <OwenS> Does TTDPatch mark it's saves at all? <-- it does, indeed 15:03:45 *** Eoin [~eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:03:50 <orudge> well, plus the fact that the file format is changed quite significantly if morevehicles is used 15:03:52 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:39 <orudge> roboboy: you can use something like DOSLFN or LFNDOS to get long filenames working under DOS 15:04:43 <orudge> DJGPP supports them 15:04:47 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 15:04:49 <orudge> oh, I see, you've already mentioned that, heh 15:04:52 <orudge> was just reading up 15:04:59 <roboboy> lol 15:13:43 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba94d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:01 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:50 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:51 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:31:05 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: yexo * r19352 /trunk/src/ (stdafx.h tgp.cpp): -Fix (r19332): MSVC doesn't have M_PI in math.h 15:34:51 <OwenS> orudge: Incidentally, St Andrews are the last university on my list to get back to me >_< 15:38:26 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: yexo * r19353 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 15:38:26 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use static objects for the airport statemachines instead of new/delete at the start/end of the game 15:38:26 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Codechange: store the fta in AirportSpec 15:43:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:43:57 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA740.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:58 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c745.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:36 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:48:52 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8db1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:19 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:55:48 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-164-205.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:41 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:58:11 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:20 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: yexo * r19354 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_airport.cpp newgrf_airport.h table/airport_defaults.h): -Codechange: store the number of layouts in AirportSpec 16:07:57 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: yexo * r19355 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: add the airport layout to build as parameter to CmdBuildAirport 16:11:00 <planetmaker> that sounds already quite far on the way to newgrf airports :-) 16:12:14 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 16:12:15 <planetmaker> Starn: your remark about not quite accurate grammar is just as bad as the posting you reply to... 16:13:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:15:27 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:02 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: frosch * r19356 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.hpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Whitespace. 16:18:15 <Starn> lol 16:18:30 <Starn> i am very stressed depressed person atm. 16:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> then you should leave the internet... 16:18:57 <Starn> my emotions screwing up everything even my music its sad sounding.. 16:19:04 <Starn> heh internet is keeping be stable 16:21:29 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 16:23:44 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: frosch * r19357 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Add 'face' member to ErrmsgWindow to simplify stuff. 16:24:19 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 16:26:22 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: frosch * r19358 /trunk/src/ (company_cmd.cpp misc_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3663]: Close error messages about missing ownership when the company closes or is taken over. (parts by Alberth). 16:27:35 * peter1138 suspects roboboy's dos guide is wrong ;p 16:27:55 <peter1138> mouse.com twice, and renaming to 8.3 shouldn't be necessary with the lfn stuff 16:28:58 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:34:58 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:35 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d888.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:35 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:06 <PeterT> Why was the Command Validation changed in trunk? 16:48:08 <PeterT> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3590 16:50:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:54 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c745.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: to close potentially dangerous loopholes 16:56:58 <PeterT> Why dangerous? 16:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: did you actually read the page you just linked to? 16:58:00 <PeterT> Yes 16:58:03 <PeterT> I saw things like desycnes 16:58:06 <PeterT> *desyncs 16:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it says right there "this can cause NULL pointer dereferences" 16:58:30 <PeterT> To be honest, I have no idea what that means. 16:58:47 <frosch123> in context of command handling it means remote crash all servers and clients 16:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: means a server can crash all clients 16:58:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:26 <PeterT> all servers? 16:59:46 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: a modified client can also crash the server 16:59:56 <PeterT> Oh, I see 17:00:14 <PeterT> Is there a way to get around this while still allowing patched servers? 17:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, get the patches into trunk. 17:00:40 <frosch123> easy, just branch off ottd. then script kiddies will crash your servers, not ours 17:01:57 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 17:04:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:16:37 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:16:42 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 17:27:27 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-52-229.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:27 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:27 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:27 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@62.75.156.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:36:42 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.128.31.179] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:37:19 * PeterT feels like he broke the strgen 17:37:40 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:10 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:41:38 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:43:32 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:43:57 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.201.86] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:03:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:07:50 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:17 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:08:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.201.86] has joined #openttd 18:32:14 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.129.157.26] has joined #openttd 18:37:55 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-92-245.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:45:47 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: translators * r19359 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:47 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:47 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: croatian - 5 changes by VoyagerOne 18:45:47 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: esperanto - 4 changes by Ailanto 18:45:47 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: finnish - 6 changes by jpx_ 18:45:49 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: french - 5 changes by glx 18:45:49 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:55:58 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:17 <DJNekkid> will TTDPATCHflag bit 16 (enginepersist) be able to detect "Vehicles never expire" ? 19:02:53 <frosch123> yes 19:03:13 <DJNekkid> oki :D 19:04:40 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:26 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:14:02 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:17:23 *** George3 is now known as George 19:18:17 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:25:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:31:05 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 19:32:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.10.16] has quit [] 19:33:27 <PeterT> When does the nightly compile run? 19:34:13 <ccfreak2k> I would assume: at night. 19:39:01 <planetmaker> somewhere on Earth always is night 19:39:21 <planetmaker> CF starts at ~20 CET 19:40:57 <frosch123> we should turn jupiter into a second sun 19:41:21 <planetmaker> uh... :-) That time will come 19:41:27 *** Illegal-Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:42 <PeterT> Doh! Just finished [14:37:05] <DorpsGek> CompileFarm: nightly (r19359) completed. 19:41:46 <planetmaker> I just don't know anymore whether this year or 2061 19:42:01 <frosch123> 2010 :) 19:42:14 <frosch123> but they already failed the 2001 shedule 19:42:23 <planetmaker> yeah :-( 19:42:35 *** Illegal-Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:33 *** IA_2ndPC [~IA_2ndPC@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:37 <ccfreak2k> What. 19:45:19 <Alberth> 2 aliens 19:45:29 <TrueBrain> and a cup of coffee 19:48:03 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:25 <TrueBrain> a basketballbat! 19:48:42 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19360 /trunk/src/engine.cpp: -Add: [NewGRF] When the tractive effort of a road vehicle is not set, use a default value of 4C. 19:48:51 <Alberth> hai TrueBrain! 19:48:58 <planetmaker> :-) 19:49:14 <TrueBrain> they printed that in a paper here .. a basketballbat .. 19:49:17 <TrueBrain> what do those things do? 19:50:09 <Alberth> fly & hang upside down from a basketball basket? 19:50:29 <frosch123> basketball for blind? 19:50:37 <TrueBrain> :) 19:50:39 <TrueBrain> I like the solutions :) 19:51:45 *** IA_2ndPC is now known as Illegal_Alien 19:51:59 *** Illegal_Alien is now known as Illegal_Alien_Clone 19:58:41 <PeterT> Realistic Road Acceleration is quite good, although the Hover Bus doesn't really reach above 156 mph 20:03:50 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:50 <Terkhen> that's expected, a hover bus shouldn't have rolling friction but with the current model it does 20:04:53 <ccfreak2k> Hoverboards. 20:05:11 <ccfreak2k> Wouldn't it have some amount of air friction? 20:05:26 <PeterT> Terkhen: Ah 20:06:08 <Terkhen> ccfreak2k: air drag is taken into account too 20:13:33 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-52-229.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:53 *** Illegal_Alien_Clone [~IA_2ndPC@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:24 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 20:28:49 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:32:14 <peter1138> werd 20:32:23 <peter1138> anyone have a surround sound system? 20:32:52 *** Chillosophy^ [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:02 <peter1138> i just coded B-format ambisonics 20:34:26 <glx> surround in openttd? 20:34:46 <peter1138> yeah 20:35:01 <glx> I only have stereo 20:35:07 <peter1138> me too o_O 20:35:28 <glx> and a basic one (LCD speaker) 20:35:33 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba94d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:42 <TrueBrain> I have a full 5.1 set :p 20:36:47 <peter1138> anyway, i couldn't come up with a concept for 'rear' sounds 20:37:06 <glx> bottom of the screen ;) 20:37:12 <peter1138> possible ;p 20:37:35 <Rubidium> ambient sounds? 20:37:38 <peter1138> currently the pan position is mapped to -90° to 90°, i.e. left to right 20:38:00 <peter1138> and altitude is just scaled 20:38:18 <peter1138> not proper positioning, but then it's 2D... 20:39:10 <peter1138> TrueBrain, 5.1 isn't really surround 20:39:19 <peter1138> it's ... bullshit marketing descrete channels 20:39:20 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:26 <TrueBrain> nothing is really surround, that is why I never said that :) 20:39:51 <peter1138> no, ambisonics really is surround 20:40:03 <peter1138> you get a decoder and you tell it where your speakers are 20:40:18 <peter1138> and it calculates how the sound you be playe 20:40:19 <peter1138> +d 20:41:02 <peter1138> you can do it on the 5.1 system, but they generally have 1 sub and 5 tiny speakers which don't handle low frequencies 20:41:22 <TrueBrain> my set is SLIGHTLY more advanced 20:41:28 <TrueBrain> either way, you asked for people with a surround sound system 20:41:30 <TrueBrain> I have that 20:41:33 <peter1138> it has a remote? :D 20:41:50 <peter1138> in fact, you get quite a nice effect with just 2 speakers 20:41:51 <TrueBrain> even THQ certifate 20:41:53 <TrueBrain> not that it means much 20:42:16 <peter1138> heh, more marketing :D 20:42:23 <TrueBrain> very expensive license 20:42:27 <TrueBrain> but, not complete bullshit 20:42:30 <TrueBrain> just 90% 20:43:57 <peter1138> http://visnet.ire.pw.edu.pl:8080/image.html?eventId=66&number=3 20:44:17 <peter1138> that'll do positioning quite accurately, although height information will be lost 20:45:56 <TrueBrain> make it rotate at a high frequency, and you are done! 20:46:30 <peter1138> in fact, you probably know that you only have 2 ears 20:46:37 <peter1138> unless you're bjarni or something 20:47:01 <peter1138> you can in theory simulate all the positional queues with headphones 20:47:26 <TrueBrain> in fact, they even do that :) 20:47:31 <TrueBrain> not only in theory :p 20:47:47 <peter1138> in theory, as in it may not work for everyone 20:48:40 <peter1138> (that's my new definition :D) 20:50:05 <TrueBrain> so hereby, all your patches are now 'in theory', fine by me :) 20:50:14 <peter1138> :D 20:50:31 <TrueBrain> 'it may not work' holds for every electronic device 20:50:37 <TrueBrain> well, even humans 20:50:49 <TrueBrain> I guess it is now a strange world, with all this 'in theory' shit floating around :) 20:51:24 <peter1138> $ svn diff | wc 582 2245 16169 20:51:27 <peter1138> 16KB :s 20:51:37 <peter1138> most of that is the jack audio driver, mind you 20:51:51 <TrueBrain> jack :s 20:53:20 <peter1138> <3 jack 20:53:32 <TrueBrain> 'in theory' it should work 20:53:38 <Rubidium> anything not pulse should be fine :) 20:53:47 <TrueBrain> esound! :p 20:53:48 <TrueBrain> lol 20:54:11 <peter1138> jack does work, heh 20:57:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:01:12 <OwenS> Rubidium: So, someone else with my dislike of Pulse (Well, I also dislike ALSA :P ) 21:01:20 <PeterT> Haha, <Public-server> <Matt> but i thought its unrealistic 21:01:28 <PeterT> Pfft, "Realism" 21:02:09 <Prof_Frink> Reality sucks. 21:02:55 * PeterT high fives Prof_Frink 21:03:15 <TrueBrain> OwenS: ALSA is nice :) It allowed me to do MIDI stuff in a few lines :) 21:04:06 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Perhaps. But it also dislikes me. And their policy for fixing it seems to be "pile incompatible crap on incompatible crap", as evidenced by the continual invention of new interfaces, of which we have now reached Pulse 21:04:26 <OwenS> Also, the "Linux" in it's name tells enough about how many platforms it works on 21:06:15 <peter1138> http://cabezal.com/~inguz/cube/home.jpg < surround cube... hmm 21:06:48 <TrueBrain> surround is only good if it helps to look behind you 21:07:10 <OwenS> (In other words: I shouldn't have to write a different backend for Linux from that I use on Solaris, FreeBSD, etc...) 21:07:45 <peter1138> you don't have to 21:07:55 <peter1138> you can use sdl, or portaudio, or openal... 21:09:08 <peter1138> the pulseaudio api, for instance, isn't meant to be used directly 21:09:18 <peter1138> although some have decided to do so, for some reason 21:10:01 <OwenS> peter1138: Portaudio is the only one of those which is a decent option, but it's API is still a lowest common denominator one (For example, no way to output AC3/DTS) 21:10:22 <peter1138> crappy format anyway 21:10:56 <OwenS> peter1138: DTS-CA is pretty decent. And the best 5.1 you can carry over TOSLINK. And it's not sane to decompress it just for the sound card to recompress it 21:14:56 <peter1138> fibre, more marketing crap :) 21:15:42 <OwenS> OK, carry it over coaxial if you want. Unfortunately, my machine can't output audio over HDMI, and I don't have a HDMI receiver anyway 21:19:07 <peter1138> i prefer my audio uncompressed 21:19:21 <peter1138> and unencumbered by proprietory compression, at the least 21:19:44 * peter1138 goes to play some 96kbit MP3s ;p 21:20:07 <OwenS> Ugh. I find my minimum bitrate for MP3 is 192kb/s 21:20:19 <OwenS> peter1138: Please come back to me when I can buy videos in an unencumbered format. 21:20:39 <peter1138> buy? 21:20:46 <peter1138> who buys videos... 21:20:58 * frosch123 wonders whether the watercycle pixels in ogfx sprites 4769 to 4771 are intentional 21:21:27 <OwenS> peter1138: OK, in that case, it's still coming in MP3 or AAC. Which are encumbered. (Or Vorbis, but Vorbis sucks balls for 5.1) 21:22:27 * peter1138 strokes his FLAC collection 21:22:40 <OwenS> FLAC is also my preference 21:23:10 <Rubidium> wav + zlib! :) 21:23:30 <Lakie> Sounds like a good idea 21:23:40 <Lakie> high quality but compressed slioghtly 21:24:01 <OwenS> Rubidium: Nah, WAV and BZip2. High quality, marginally compressed, and using stupid CPU :P 21:24:09 * Lakie worked with some software needing raw wavs and they were truely huge compared to .ogg / .mp3... 21:24:38 <peter1138> i should clarify, audio compression is no problem if it's lossless :) 21:24:52 <Lakie> Aye 21:24:56 <peter1138> isn't lzma worse for cpu than bzip2? 21:25:11 <Rubidium> depends on how you look at it 21:25:14 <OwenS> peter1138: Compressing yes. Decompressing no. 21:25:21 <peter1138> oh 21:25:25 <peter1138> well that's no use 21:25:39 <OwenS> But even lzma -fast beats bzip -take5hours 21:25:43 *** CIA-7 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:25:47 <peter1138> heh 21:25:50 *** CIA-6 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 21:26:09 <peter1138> ahh, ambdec comes with a 5.1 preset, although it does assume that your speakers are at the exact correct locations 21:26:25 <peter1138> and the lfe channel is not used 21:26:28 * OwenS considers making an OpenTTD patch to support .tar.xz's :P 21:26:38 <peter1138> OwenS, haha 21:27:00 <Rubidium> OwenS: boring... 21:27:27 <peter1138> better patch: custom bridge heads 21:27:48 <OwenS> Rubidium: LZX? Then there would be no tool to make them :P 21:27:54 <Prof_Frink> betterer patch: NewCustomBridgeHeads! 21:28:15 <Rubidium> YACBH! 21:30:30 <glx> IIRC someone already has this patch :) 21:30:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:40:38 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4848.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:52 <peter1138> TrueBrain, but yes, i wouldn't consider actually commiting this, because a jack support in a game is pretty silly 21:45:15 <TrueBrain> peter1138: nothing wrong with an additional audio-out 21:46:12 * Rubidium ponders using libpng's versioning scheme 21:47:51 <OwenS> Which is? 21:48:05 <Rubidium> 1.4.0beta86 -> 1.4.0rc01 -> 1.4.0beta87 .. 1.4.0beta109 -> 1.4.0rc02 .. 1.4.1beta03 -> 1.4.1rc01 -> 1.4.1beta04 .. 1.4.1beta12 -> 1.4.1rc02 21:48:24 <OwenS> Wha?! 21:48:27 <TrueBrain> betas between rcs? Cool :) 21:48:37 <OwenS> And what happened to 1.40release? 21:48:53 <OwenS> And why are we randomly incrementing the beta*? 21:49:08 <OwenS> Use Tex' versioning scheme. Much better 21:49:21 <Rubidium> .. means that I skipped (a lot) of reasonable versioning increments 21:49:24 <TrueBrain> mind the .. :p 21:49:47 <Rubidium> OwenS: agreed 21:50:00 <OwenS> 109 betas?! 21:50:16 <Rubidium> OwenS: yes 21:50:22 <OwenS> Though in that case we need to decide who's death it becomes berfect at :p 21:50:29 <Rubidium> although we ofcourse have ~360 alphas between releases 21:50:50 <OwenS> Rubidium: They're called nightlies are they not ;-) 21:51:01 <Rubidium> OwenS: yes 21:51:41 <OwenS> Theres a difference between an automated may-not-even-build nightly and a presumably manually released beta release. And as betas are supposed to mainly fix bugs, libpng must be very buggy ;-) 21:52:20 <Rubidium> 1.4.0 is out since jan 03 2010 21:52:36 <Rubidium> 1.5.0 is already at beta11 21:53:17 <planetmaker> quick release cycle, eh? 21:53:49 <OwenS> planetmaker: No, 98 more betas to go :p 21:53:55 <Rubidium> 1.4.0beta1 april 20, 2006 21:54:05 <planetmaker> :-D 21:54:35 * planetmaker withdraws the last comment 21:55:22 <Rubidium> 1.2.0beta1 may 6, 2001 21:55:51 <Rubidium> although, 1.2.0 september 1, 2001 21:56:26 <Rubidium> which basically means 1.4's beta cycle was 3.5 longer than the 1.2 beta cycle 21:56:56 <Rubidium> version 1.00 [March 7, 1998] 21:57:02 <Rubidium> version 1.0.0 [March 8, 1998] 21:57:07 <Rubidium> really... what the ... 21:57:10 <Ammler> Rubidium: you should rather skip rc too after 1.0 release 21:57:26 <Ammler> and not introduce betas 21:59:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that's what they call their nightlies 21:59:23 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.205.150] has joined #openttd 21:59:29 <glx> [LibEMU] -Codechange: allow JIT to continue after loading a dmp ? 21:59:40 <TrueBrain> you can't imagine a lib like libpng has so many problems 21:59:48 <glx> wrong window 21:59:55 <TrueBrain> glx: wrong channel, but yes :) Well, replace dmp for crash.bin :) 22:02:52 <OwenS> Aah, so that project did eventually become a proper project :-) 22:03:13 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@84.70.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:22 <TrueBrain> it even has players 22:03:29 * TrueBrain hugs tneo 22:04:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:42 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:06:35 <Ammler> He, I reached level 3 too ;-) 22:09:29 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.162.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:50 <fonsinchen> Yexo: I got a crash, which I guess is due to your changes in airport code. Backtrace: http://paste.openttd.org/225171 22:22:57 <fonsinchen> Especially AT_DUMMY==255 ... 22:23:08 <fonsinchen> Maybe I should post a bug report. 22:31:30 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:31:44 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-171-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 22:33:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:45:08 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-22-210.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:48:13 *** tuinn [~t@ip9135153a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:43 *** impactor [~impactor@bas3-montreal19-1177825147.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 22:51:48 <impactor> Hello everyone 22:52:23 <Rubidium> hello Canada 22:52:59 <impactor> If I place a train station in range of two iron mines, will both mines produce ore for transport? 22:53:22 <PeterT> If they are within the station catchment, yes. 22:53:29 <impactor> Sweet :) 22:53:53 <impactor> I'm still trying to get the hang of the game, primarily railway systems 22:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that only works for taking away cargo, though. if you deliver cargo, only one industry will get it 22:56:49 <impactor> Alright, so it will work in this case of the two adjacent iron mines 22:57:39 <impactor> Would this also be the place to propose certain changes to the game? 22:57:43 <PeterT> Two adjacent primary industries (coal mines, forests, iron mine) 23:00:53 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-22-210.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:56 <planetmaker> impactor: you can always propose changes ;-) 23:04:34 <impactor> Excellent :P 23:05:01 <impactor> I think it would be valuable to place hotkeys for certain tools in tooltips. 23:05:44 <planetmaker> Indeed. Until that time till they become configurable ;-) 23:06:07 <impactor> Would it not be possible to include them even then? 23:06:25 <planetmaker> Actually that's something translators can quite easily do themselves now 23:06:58 <planetmaker> impactor: difficult 23:07:07 <planetmaker> what key does open the console for you? 23:07:23 <planetmaker> what do you use to quit the game? 23:07:28 <planetmaker> I do use CMD+Q 23:07:35 <planetmaker> you probably Ctrl+Q ;-) 23:07:52 <planetmaker> just a difference of supported platforms which map codes to different keys 23:08:05 <impactor> It says ~ in the wiki 23:08:11 <planetmaker> and then the language settings of the OS play a role 23:08:18 <planetmaker> Yes ~ in US keyboard layout 23:08:27 <planetmaker> (dunno, maybe) 23:08:32 <planetmaker> it is ^ for me 23:08:43 <planetmaker> but it is always(?) left of 1 23:08:56 <planetmaker> so... difficult to get it right 23:08:58 <impactor> Yep, that's ~ for me 23:09:15 <planetmaker> so it will be wrong for >50% of the users 23:09:21 <glx> it's ² for me 23:10:20 <glx> with russian keyboard layout it's Ñ 23:11:02 <glx> for US it's ` 23:11:08 <glx> not ~ 23:11:13 <planetmaker> ah :-) 23:11:21 <glx> (for PC) 23:11:26 <glx> dunno about mac 23:11:42 * planetmaker knows neither :-) - but would assume the same 23:14:47 <impactor> Are there currently plans to make hotkeys configurable? 23:15:05 <Rubidium> there are people that have that as a 'plan' 23:16:11 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-12-88.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:09 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-100-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:19:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:23:05 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:00 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@84.70.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:38:22 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 23:55:15 <PeterT> fonsinchen: Your bug is fixed 23:55:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r19361 /trunk/src/airport.cpp: -Fix [FS#3664](r19353): crash when an airport was deleted 23:55:19 <PeterT> ^ 23:55:56 <Yexo> thanks for the report fonsinchen :) 23:56:10 <fonsinchen> nice 23:56:27 <fonsinchen> thanks for the fix