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09:06:34 <peter1138> trying to use the external display, but things are limited to the laptop display :s 09:08:15 <andythenorth> what OS? 09:09:01 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:15:41 <peter1138> linux 09:16:03 <blathijs> peter1138: Connect the external display when you start X? 09:16:25 <peter1138> it is, if it's not i get nothing on the external display at all 09:22:04 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:51 <peter1138> to be exact, the extra workspace is usable, but gnome-panels are fixed in space based on the laptop display, and maximise maximises to the laptop display too 09:36:27 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 09:42:42 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 09:43:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaafee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:32 * andythenorth wonders how to knock out a cargo 09:45:30 <andythenorth> the normal 'only in this and that climate' business doesn't work :| 09:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause> with action 7/9? 09:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> or more evil: with action 6? 09:48:23 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E27A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:31 <andythenorth> that would work, but it doesn't disable the default cargo. 09:48:40 <andythenorth> guess I need to shift cargo IDs around :o 09:48:48 <fjb> Moin 09:49:50 <andythenorth> morning 09:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have no idea how you disable an original cargo 09:55:14 <andythenorth> nvm I'll move cargo IDs 09:55:27 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:08:22 * andythenorth blew up ottd 10:17:14 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap92.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:19:01 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap92.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:38:11 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 10:40:20 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.129.169.67] has joined #openttd 10:40:53 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 10:48:04 <PeterT> andythenorth: I've coded the class 20 10:48:07 <PeterT> just very simply 10:48:11 <PeterT> with one property defined 10:48:21 <PeterT> and it replaces the most basic train 10:49:19 <andythenorth> well done 10:49:27 * andythenorth has really quite broken something 10:50:18 <PeterT> andythenorth: this is what I've done with action0 10:50:19 <PeterT> 2 * 7 00 00 \b1 01 01 // Action 0 10:50:19 <PeterT> 05 00 // track type 10:50:34 <andythenorth> does it work? 10:50:49 <PeterT> yes 10:50:49 <andythenorth> ummm help :o 10:51:09 <andythenorth> OTTD blows up when I try to get to the 'fund industry' window 10:51:13 <andythenorth> no renum errors 10:52:50 <andythenorth> crash log: http://paste.openttd.org/225379 10:53:47 <andythenorth> my guess is a broken industry fund window cb 10:54:55 <andythenorth> anyone got any other ideas, before I play a long game of 'turn industry off, build grf, test, repeat until crash' 10:55:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:50 <andythenorth> hmm, iterating over list halves will find the naughty industry faster 11:03:55 * andythenorth suspects the bakery 11:04:24 <andythenorth> nope 11:05:27 *** Bahamamama [~chatzilla@dslb-092-076-248-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:41 <Bahamamama> good morning 11:06:26 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:07:02 <Bahamamama> is anyone here, who can help me with my dedicated server? i don't know if its running correctly. i can connect. but no one connects to it. so i don't know if it's up :-( 11:11:17 * andythenorth fixes the crash 11:11:23 <Ammler> Bahamamama: servers.openttd.org 11:11:48 <Ammler> there you see, if advertising works 11:12:16 <Bahamamama> i think i checked it.. but i look it up again 11:12:51 <Bahamamama> it is listed 11:13:01 <Bahamamama> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/28195 11:13:43 <Ammler> yes, and now you expect other joining your server? 11:14:38 <Bahamamama> i know that it is absolutly selfish. but for testing. yes 11:15:59 <Bahamamama> the problem for me right now is, that nobody i know is online who can test it for me :-( 11:16:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaafee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:11 <Yexo> Bahamamama: it works fine 11:16:22 <Bahamamama> yes. thank u very much!° 11:20:22 *** Bahamamama [~chatzilla@dslb-092-076-248-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 11:20:43 *** Bahamamama [~chatzilla@dslb-092-076-248-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:41 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:18 *** Bahamamama [~chatzilla@dslb-092-076-248-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 11:25:43 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:49 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 12:05:21 *** elmz [~elmz@ti0031a380-0899.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:06:27 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:15 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:07:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:16 *** elmz [~elmz@ti0031a380-0899.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:39 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:51 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-234-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:48 <OwenS> Hmm, I may have spotted a bug. It's a pretty minor one, but it's still a bug 12:35:26 <OwenS> order_gui.cpp, ~Line 81, After "/* Unload and transfer do not work together. */", there are only 4 strings but should be 5 12:36:08 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm50.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:38:01 <Rubidium> so it's just a 0 12:38:56 <OwenS> I presume that causes it to draw a different invalid string? 12:39:00 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 12:40:09 <Rubidium> it won't draw the string 12:40:29 <Rubidium> if it's INVALID_STRING_ID is will definitely crash, with 0 it will be 'just' a GUI glitch 12:40:55 <OwenS> ...Since it's "drawn" 4 invalid strings already, it should then theoretically have already crashed :p 12:41:20 <Rubidium> no, it doesn't draw those strings 12:41:43 <Rubidium> they are there only to keep the rest of the 'data' easily accessible 12:42:09 <OwenS> I was refering to in the unlikely condition it ended up in that state 12:42:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:11 <Rubidium> no, it might not have drawn the other 4 strings 12:43:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9972.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:40 <peter1138> hurr, openttd on a 50" telly at 1920x1080 is ... usable 12:48:11 *** Elessar [~tanguy@vanvogt.ortolo.eu] has left #openttd [] 12:49:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E27A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:24 *** ptr [~peter@p25-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:57:57 * andythenorth contemplates drawing a quarry 12:58:05 <andythenorth> brrrrrrrrhhhhhhh 12:58:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B0E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:58 <Belugas> YO ALL 13:08:07 <andythenorth> hi hi 13:11:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c8fd:61cb:7afe:8361] has joined #openttd 13:11:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:13:18 <__ln__> lots of people with 3-letter nicks 13:13:59 <glx> said the one who used to have a 2-letter nick ;) 13:15:28 <Rubidium> glx: it's still a 2 letter nick 13:15:42 <glx> but with underscores 13:18:41 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:21:47 <OwenS> Hmm... Is there any way to display a piece of text on a dropdown which isn't in the list? 13:22:28 <OwenS> Hang on... nm 13:22:34 <OwenS> It works like I'd hoped :-) 13:28:28 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:02 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:36:12 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 13:36:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 13:43:43 <andythenorth> hi hi Pikka 13:43:57 <Pikka> hello andy 13:44:18 <andythenorth> I've got to draw a quarry 13:44:23 <andythenorth> :o 13:46:06 <OwenS> Well, you can now select program instructions, and the tool buttons are dummied 13:48:38 <Pikka> good luck with that :D 13:53:34 * andythenorth ponders drawing 17 different quarry boundary tiles which all line up nicely for different terrain 13:54:10 * OwenS is glad he doesn't do graphics 13:54:43 <andythenorth> Oblique Strategies tells me: "water" "courage" and "what is the simplest solution?" 13:54:47 <andythenorth> dunno what to make of that :) 13:55:17 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I guess water is the simplest solution 13:55:19 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_Strategies 13:55:48 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:55:52 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I have a nice dredger for getting gravel out of water 13:56:04 <andythenorth> but it looks fricking stupid with a helicopter landing on it :D 13:56:12 * andythenorth waits for new airports 13:57:18 <andythenorth> "Do we need holes?" 13:58:55 <Pikka> that's what it said. 13:59:34 <andythenorth> well do we need holes? 13:59:36 <andythenorth> hmm 14:00:13 <Pikka> holes are handy 14:00:18 <Pikka> g'night wallyweb 14:00:36 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:18:14 <peter1138> hmm, what shall i use to make some uptime charts 14:20:09 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:25:28 <andythenorth> munin? 14:25:43 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munin_(network_monitoring_application) 14:27:42 <andythenorth> brrrr brrrr brrrrr 14:27:59 <peter1138> i have the data going back a few years 14:28:21 <peter1138> but it's in the form of "datetime up|down" 14:28:28 <andythenorth> excel? 14:29:09 * andythenorth needs to stop avoiding the pixels 14:29:21 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 14:34:50 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:38:12 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-202-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:40:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@64.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:42:08 *** Qazzian [~ian@195.81.245.98] has joined #openttd 14:43:33 <peter1138> blah 14:43:42 <peter1138> openoffice doesn't recognise the text data as a date :( 14:43:46 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 14:44:19 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d822369.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:50 <andythenorth> meh 14:44:55 * andythenorth blew up ottd 14:44:56 <andythenorth> again 14:45:31 <andythenorth> really badly 14:45:36 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:57 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:47:31 * peter1138 fixes the data 14:53:30 * peter1138 blew up openoffice 14:53:48 <andythenorth> fuck a doodle doo 14:54:51 * andythenorth learns a lesson about string codes 14:55:32 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:23 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:56:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:59:15 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 14:59:33 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [] 15:01:18 *** FloSoft [~oftc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:17 *** FloSoft [~oftc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 15:07:32 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:08:38 * andythenorth takes the easy way out on a quarry 15:09:36 <Rubidium> bury it? 15:09:39 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:10:19 <andythenorth> ha ha 15:10:39 <andythenorth> recoloured the sand pit I've already drawn 15:10:48 <andythenorth> not really good enough, but good enough 15:11:11 * andythenorth closes a FIRS milestone 15:11:25 <andythenorth> [:) 15:13:01 *** Bahamamama [~chatzilla@dslb-092-076-248-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:19 *** Bahamamama [~chatzilla@dslb-092-076-248-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 15:14:02 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:18:44 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 15:20:53 <peter1138> hmm, anyone uses linux-vserver, with debian? 15:21:02 <peter1138> my log files don't get rotated :s 15:22:25 <peter1138> oh... cron isn't started :s 15:23:21 <Noldo> :) 15:23:32 <peter1138> silly debian vserver set up scripts, i guess 15:27:21 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.0.201] has joined #openttd 15:30:03 <peter1138> oh, also, silly rsyslog set up 15:30:15 <peter1138> with sysklog did, it would automatically get the list of files to rotate 15:30:18 <peter1138> not so with rsyslog :s 15:32:16 <Noldo> peter1138: have you played with yacc/bison? 15:32:26 <peter1138> no 15:32:57 <OwenS> Noldo: I have 15:33:16 <OwenS> I've come to the conclusion you're better of hand coding your grammar :p 15:33:19 <Noldo> do you know if anyone in the NewGRF community has made a parser with it? 15:33:32 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:33:55 <OwenS> Sorry no i don't 15:35:00 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:37:31 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:57 <andythenorth> some FIRS industries have the 'can be exploded by military helicopter' flag :D 15:38:04 <andythenorth> don't blame me, blame FooBar 15:42:22 <OwenS> rofl 15:52:54 <OwenS> OK... How do I tell my instruction windows that a change has occured? 15:55:13 <andythenorth> when should Aluminium become available as a cargo chain? 15:55:34 <andythenorth> IRL any time after 1900 would be appropriate 15:55:54 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause ^^ you normally have a suggestion on these questions :) 15:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not particularly informed about aluminium 15:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> something that makes sense regarding gameplay... people don't often start before 1920 15:57:17 <Rubidium> 1889! :) 15:57:37 <andythenorth> Rubidium: why? 15:57:40 <Belugas> 1984 15:57:58 <Belugas> # hoooo hooo hooooo hoooo... 15:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: MarkDirty()? 15:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or Invalidate? or something? 15:58:46 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Thats how a window marks itself for a redraw. What I want to do is, in a command handler, say "The instructions of <this> signal are dirty. Notify the window with id <id>" 15:58:58 <OwenS> It's the getting the window which is the difficult bit :p 15:58:59 <Rubidium> andythenorth: the very credible wikipedia ofcourse 15:59:22 <Rubidium> oh, maybe even 1886 :) 15:59:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: GetWindowById()->MarkDirty()? 15:59:29 <Belugas> mmh... why is it i don't have all my songs with me?? I NEED BOWIE! 15:59:31 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Aah! That sounds about right 15:59:38 <Rubidium> MakeWindowDirtyById or something like it 16:00:15 <OwenS> void InvalidateWindowData(WindowClass cls, WindowNumber number, int data = 0) is what I wanted 16:01:36 <OwenS> Hmm... I'm gonna have to go through the game with a fine toothed comb to find where signals can be removed from tiles 16:02:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "RemoveSignal"? 16:02:40 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: And demolish. And remove track. And... 16:03:17 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: might make sense to refactor that to one place? 16:03:48 <OwenS> Probably to an "CheckRemoveSignals" function or such 16:04:37 <OwenS> OK, and we can now add instructions :-) 16:04:39 <andythenorth> hmm 16:04:46 <andythenorth> bakery intro date...1850? 16:05:44 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:06:45 <Jolteon> Bakerys have been around since the Roman times. 16:07:03 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:07:07 <Jolteon> They found a load of bread in the remains on Pompeii, from 79 AD 16:07:10 <Jolteon> or was it 78 AD 16:07:20 <Jolteon> Whenever Vesuvious wrecked the joint. 16:08:03 <andythenorth> brewery....1820? 16:08:42 <Jolteon> Brewerys have been around since Tudor time at least 16:09:03 <Jolteon> (1485 to 16005) 16:09:05 <Jolteon> 1605* 16:10:05 <andythenorth> Jolteon: did they look like this though? http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/schema/industries#brewery_distillery 16:10:11 <andythenorth> and does it really matter? 16:10:42 <andythenorth> should I care if graphics aren't 'old' enough 16:10:52 <andythenorth> town buildings have the same problem 16:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> no. possibly prepare the code for different building styles, if you can get the date when an industry was built 16:11:31 <peter1138> http://ic3d.biz/HORNDEAN PARCEL3(2).jpg 16:11:34 <peter1138> ^ they look like that 16:11:36 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewery says early 11th century 16:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have too much time, you can add the graphics for that later 16:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i think breweries should be one of the first industries available 16:12:22 <andythenorth> peter1138: how old is that one? 16:12:34 <andythenorth> brewery could kick in around 1700? 16:12:40 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 16:13:13 <andythenorth> screw it, I'll do it for 1640 16:13:16 <andythenorth> seems like a nice date 16:15:37 <andythenorth> anyone want to bid on the furniture factory date? 16:15:43 <andythenorth> I reckon about 1850 16:16:14 <andythenorth> hmm 16:17:31 <andythenorth> cement plant? 16:17:39 <andythenorth> 1900 16:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> history of industrialisation... i'm really not an expert in that 16:18:24 <andythenorth> I guess the only two things that matter are: 16:18:26 <andythenorth> - gameplay 16:18:35 <andythenorth> - whether the graphics look stupid (too modern) 16:18:47 <Singaporekid> "The first furniture factory employing more than ten people was begun by Abraham. & Hepburn (later Campbell & Abraham) in 1867." 16:18:56 <andythenorth> Singaporekid: interesting 16:18:56 <Singaporekid> HOPE THAT HELPS 16:19:00 <andythenorth> it does :) 16:19:24 <andythenorth> but I need to have a complete lumber chain 16:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> early houses should accept wood, later houses should accept coal 16:21:25 <SpComb^> very funny 16:21:27 <andythenorth> yup, they should, but I'm steering clear 16:21:34 <andythenorth> I don't want to get into coding houses as well 16:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and like i said before: pre-industrial "industries" should be very small but many 16:22:14 <OwenS> hehe 16:22:24 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that's the plan 16:22:48 <SpComb^> horsecarts transporting small quantities? 16:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so you make a 1x1 carpenter's shop or something 16:22:51 <andythenorth> yup 16:22:53 <SpComb^> there might be some sense to that 16:23:11 <andythenorth> the thinking was to limit their production somehow as well 16:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: maybe if you take eGRVTS as base, limit it to one carriageload per production step? 16:24:18 * andythenorth wonders if it's necessary to limit production at all 16:24:32 <andythenorth> the available vehicles offer a sort of limit anyway 16:28:33 <andythenorth> omg, we could do a whole industry set just for 'Dairy' 16:28:33 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Milkproducts.svg 16:28:42 * andythenorth thinks not 16:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ha ha :p 16:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> toyland-replacement "cheeseland" maybe :) 16:30:10 <andythenorth> indeed 16:30:34 * andythenorth harbours a secret plan for an entire 'logging' chain though 16:32:15 <OwenS> andythenorth: You have an hatred for forrests yes? 16:32:23 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:25 <andythenorth> I just like logging machinery 16:32:47 <andythenorth> http://heavyequipmentforums.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?f=91 16:33:24 <OwenS> It does occur to me that in the default industries you collect grain and cattle from farms, but not milk.. kinda odd 16:35:57 <andythenorth> yup 16:36:04 <andythenorth> I have a fix for that :) 16:36:39 <andythenorth> but you don't get the default industries :o 16:36:50 <OwenS> :P 16:37:25 <OwenS> Hmm... Where should I put the program signal buton? I feels wrong to have a row with an extra buton... 16:38:02 <Sacro> what? 16:38:06 <Sacro> proram signal? 16:38:15 <OwenS> Sacro: I'm implementing a programmable signals patch 16:40:17 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:19 <Sacro> ohyay \o/ 16:40:22 <Sacro> need testing? 16:40:47 <OwenS> Current version can be found at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47690 , but theres no UI for programming in that version :p 16:40:53 <OwenS> Next version is *really* close 16:42:22 <Sacro> oh it's just NAND 16:42:25 <Sacro> not programmable :( 16:42:29 <OwenS> Sacro: Thats all it does for now 16:42:37 <OwenS> The backend is there, but not the frontend 16:43:13 <Sacro> mm 16:46:55 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:47:20 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:53 *** ptr [~peter@p25-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:11:55 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@81.107.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:36 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:16:14 <andythenorth> steel mill intro date? 17:16:17 <andythenorth> 1830...? 17:16:23 <andythenorth> ach seems about right 17:16:41 <andythenorth> 0 17:18:39 <OwenS> Ok, I'm adding my signal to the buffer (Via AddTrackToSignalBuffer), I presume I then have to call UpdateSignalsInBuffer()? (Testing without... nothing happens anyway) Or am I supposed to do something else? 17:23:05 <OwenS> It certainly seems to work.. 17:31:54 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@64.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:43:58 <andythenorth> paper mills are surprisingly old :o 17:48:15 *** Qazzian [~ian@195.81.245.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:18 * peter1138 ponders 17:51:38 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:07 <Hirundo> OwenS: If you plan to update multiple signals of the same owner, Add(Track|Side)ToSignalBuffer followed by UpdateSignalsInBuffer is the best way to go. 17:55:52 <OwenS> Hirundo: OK. I was just checking that I wasn't calling a function I shouldn't. 17:56:07 <Hirundo> For updating a single signal, SetSignalsOnBothDir and some_other_function are available 18:01:21 * andythenorth hmmms 18:01:59 <andythenorth> if industries have start dates, does the whole chain need to complete at once? 18:10:01 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 18:10:38 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 18:10:41 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:12:02 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f63ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:16 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:38 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:20:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:29 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:11 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 18:34:11 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:01 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:39:26 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:35 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm50.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:49 * andythenorth wonders how many nested cpp templates is too many? 18:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19501 /trunk/src/lang/ (danish.txt romanian.txt): 18:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: danish - 5 changes by silentStatic 18:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: greek - 4 changes by 18:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 2 changes by 18:46:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: romanian - 3 changes by kkmic 18:56:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:56:38 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I'd say infinite, but there's infinitely more possibilities beyond that 18:57:19 <andythenorth> and for readability and understanding the code? 18:57:40 <Wolf01> oh, I thought you were talking about human stupidity 18:57:47 <Wolf01> hello :D 18:58:07 <Rubidium> hi Wolf01, lets preemptively bury you :) 19:00:02 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: WT3 is again in its commiting no-one's stuff state :( (for two languages) 19:05:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:05:58 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:09:25 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-202-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:40 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:12:42 <andythenorth> var 24 years since 0 (long format) 19:12:47 <andythenorth> how do I knock 1 year off? 19:12:55 <andythenorth> 24 20 \dxFFFFFFFF //get current date 19:12:55 <andythenorth> - 1A 00 \d01 //subtract 1 19:13:02 <andythenorth> doesn't seem to do it 19:13:59 <andythenorth> oh....maths fail :o 19:18:40 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:43 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:30:18 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:39:51 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:44:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-86-12.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:14 <OwenS> Wolf01, Sacro: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47690&p=865781#p865781 <- ProgSigs with signal editor is out 19:46:35 <Wolf01> nice 19:48:22 <andythenorth> pretty epic 19:54:00 <OwenS> Hehe, someone has already downloaded 19:54:02 <OwenS> it 19:55:39 <__ln__> Wolf01: 'notte 19:58:57 <andythenorth> meh 19:59:03 * andythenorth blew up ottd horribly 19:59:47 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:19 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:28 *** Adambean [adam@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaafee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:47 *** fjb is now known as Guest1913 20:22:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:07 *** Guest1913 [~frank@p5485B0E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:39 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:47:28 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:52:27 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:03 <andythenorth> meh 21:10:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:18 <OwenS> blown it up again? 21:16:13 <OwenS> Hmm... This ones a bit theoretical at the moment, as I'm not implementing it yet... But when I give ProgSigs the ability to look at arbritrary signals, should I limit it to onlly signals from the same company? 21:19:36 <Belugas> zhome. Gnight 21:20:10 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:20:54 <andythenorth> 3 tickets before FIRS release 0.1 is done :o 21:21:00 <andythenorth> unless there are new bugs :P 21:21:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 21:21:53 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:15 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:22:48 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.0.201] has quit [] 21:23:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:31:13 *** goblin_ [~goblin@krlh-5f72cac8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c8fd:61cb:7afe:8361] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c8fd:61cb:7afe:8361] has joined #openttd 21:33:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:33:44 <devilsadvocate> http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/03/15/china-to-connect-its-high-speed-rail-all-the-way-to-europe/ 21:34:24 <Rubidium> yeah right... not gonna happen any time soon 21:38:15 <devilsadvocate> imo, that sounds like the backstory to a really bad scifi movie 21:41:12 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECB33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f63ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:58 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:45:29 <planetmaker> hello 22:00:29 <Wizzleby> wrt high speed rail china->europe: nice idea, but seriously, going through 17 different countries has got to be a serious political crapstorm waiting to happen, and seems unlikely to pull off 22:00:31 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@81.107.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:01:04 <OwenS> I notice that China are paying for it. That makes the whole thing suddenly become a lot cheaper, exp. when you consider the economic benefits 22:02:05 <OwenS> **cheaper -> simpler 22:02:38 <OwenS> Also, it makes negotiations simpler: it shows China want it, and they want it pretty badly 22:02:44 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: here they have 30 years of "fighting" before they can lay a road; it's not "in three weeks this valley will be flooded, bugger of to this new town we constructed for you" 22:03:01 <Wizzleby> yeah, them paying for it certainly removes *one* big obstacle. That doesn't account for general political stubbornness though 22:03:41 <OwenS> Stubbornness vs the opposition going "China offered to build a free high speed rail line and you refused WHY?!" 22:03:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:04:06 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: yeah, many places constructing a new road is not popular. In the USA, they had trouble building their proposed highway system which would run from mexico to canada because some states refused to take it 22:04:39 <Wizzleby> OwenS: look at the situation of Oklahoma and the Trans-texas corridor, or whatever that leg of the highway was to be called 22:04:51 <OwenS> They should feel lucky. The UK hasn't built a new motorway in ~15 years. And the M6 toll doesn't count because nobody uses it 22:05:13 <Wizzleby> very similar situation, oklahoma would not have had to pay for it, but they didn't want it running through their state 22:06:07 <Wizzleby> OwenS: also, remember politics doesn't always do what is best for the region :) 22:06:22 <OwenS> HSR lines are more attractive (Read: more green) than roads, and also it's largely running through less developed countries where there is less NIMBYism 22:06:24 <Wizzleby> just cause its a benefit or a good idea doesn't mean it gets passed 22:06:58 <Wizzleby> well, I'm not disagreeing with you on the benefits of HSR certainly :) 22:07:49 <Rubidium> OwenS: rail is expensive (and by self-reinforcement it stays expensive) 22:07:57 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-234-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:08:17 <Rubidium> just look at the rail projects here... nobody seems to want them, they cost a huge sum of money and are barely used 22:08:27 <OwenS> Rubidium: Except when China is footing the bill for you :p 22:09:06 <Wizzleby> I bet some places would take issue simply because its china ;) 22:09:21 <Wizzleby> politics are a mess after all 22:10:03 <Rubidium> OwenS: they made a cargo rail line to Germany with a capacity of 10 trains an hour per direction... if 10 trains a day use it, it's busy. Even more of them use the old route because that's cheaper. 22:11:27 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:11:56 <Rubidium> even then, how much will a ticket China-Europe cost? 22:14:08 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECB33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:25 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 22:17:17 *** JakeGrimshaw [~jake.grim@5e02fc8d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:28 <JakeGrimshaw> hello all 22:17:33 <PeterT> hey Jake 22:18:10 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:19:10 <Rubidium> because a train ticket Tokyo-Hakata (Shinkansen) costs about twice of what I paid for the airplane and with transit times still the Shinkansen is an hour longer 22:19:20 <Rubidium> which is over a distance of 1200 km 22:19:50 <JakeGrimshaw> the Guess the Station picture looks annoyingly familiar :@ 22:20:22 <Rubidium> now if you're talking about China-Europe the train prices will arguably be relatively even higher than an airplane 22:21:29 <Rubidium> ofcourse you can use the "it's greener principle", but then... having the maglev train go even slower is arguably greener too and then you get into a "time vs money vs greenness" debate 22:22:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaafee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:32 <OwenS> I suppose one of the biggest differences is that jet fuel's tax is so low... 22:22:56 * andythenorth wishes there was a way to define a value (such as 1881) and have the CPP render that as \d1881 22:23:22 <Rubidium> template parameters? 22:23:35 <Ammler> wait for Hirundo/Yexo tools :-) 22:23:43 <Rubidium> #define FOO(a) \d##a## ? 22:24:14 <OwenS> Probably need to go through a CONCAT indirection or two knowing CPP 22:24:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:28 <andythenorth> I've tried before, so has DJ_Nekkid I think 22:24:30 <andythenorth> fail 22:25:00 <andythenorth> I end up defining the dword (define '\d1881') then writing that onto the text stack later 22:25:01 <OwenS> andythenorth: #define FOO(a) CONCAT(\d, a) #define CONCAT(_x, _y) CONCAT2(_x, _y) #define CONCAT2(_x, _y) _x##_y 22:25:22 <andythenorth> OwenS: :) looks about as bad as just using the text stack 22:25:41 <OwenS> Those concat macros come in useful elsewhere as well 22:26:29 <OwenS> I'd say "You should be using a proper language" but the only one of those anyone has is M4, and M4 is awful 22:27:12 <Ammler> in "our" case, python is valid too 22:27:22 <andythenorth> language rarely matters that much 22:27:29 <andythenorth> as long as it's not perl :P 22:27:48 <Terkhen> good night 22:27:50 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@64.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:28:07 <Ammler> Terken should give some time to answer ;-) 22:28:33 <PeterT> he just wants to get to his damn bed 22:28:39 <Ammler> andythenorth: did you see the scripts from yexo and Hirundo? 22:28:47 <andythenorth> yes 22:28:56 <Ammler> not useable? 22:29:06 <andythenorth> nfo is simply not my biggest problem 22:29:13 <andythenorth> I screw up in every language I use 22:29:20 <Yexo> Ammler: not yet, Hirundo has (as far as I know) only written a text document 22:29:24 <Yexo> and my work is far from complete 22:29:30 <andythenorth> I'll still spend time hunting my own errors in python or whatever 22:29:34 <andythenorth> :) 22:29:39 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's totally unuseable if you want to release something "soon" 22:29:45 <Ammler> Yexo: I didn't follow proper, just read a bit here... 22:30:55 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's as useful as m4nfo 22:31:29 <Hirundo> Yexo: I have some flex/bison stuff lying around, but that's nothing to get really exited about 22:31:56 <Hirundo> I think using python is a better idea 22:32:01 <OwenS> Hirundo: Esp. since you'd be better off with re2c + handocded parser ;-) 22:32:04 <OwenS> Or Python :p 22:32:04 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: has also once posted something :-) 22:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a long time ago... 22:33:06 <Yexo> Hirundo: one of the problems I encountered: how to handle parameter usage in a varaction2 expression? 22:33:15 <Ammler> well, anyway, cpp did reach the limits... 22:33:35 <Ammler> the more we use it, the uglier the code 22:33:38 <Hirundo> Yexo: There is a fundamental choice to be made there 22:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i never got as far as figuring out varaction 2 support... 22:33:40 <Yexo> should it use the value of the parameter as it was at the moment the varaction2 is defined or at the time it's executed? 22:33:47 <Hirundo> exactly 22:34:00 <Hirundo> Action6 or variable 7F 22:34:05 <Yexo> indeed :) 22:34:54 <Ammler> action6 could mostly be done with lots of action7 22:35:09 <Hirundo> Not really 22:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that was not the question 22:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: if you want to use action 7, you have to know all possible values 22:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you can't skip an action 2 with an action 7/9 22:36:20 <Hirundo> Action7 would , in the worst case, need far more memory than your pc has to offer, to handle every case 22:36:28 <Yexo> Ammler: this is the problem: http://paste.openttd.org/225381 22:38:57 <Hirundo> Other languages show examples of both 22:39:30 <Ammler> don't see, how that could be 4 22:39:45 <PeterT> what does "dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer" mean? 22:39:53 <Hirundo> At the time the action2 is run, the value is 4 22:39:56 <PeterT> what is the destination buffer, exactly? 22:40:19 <Yexo> Ammler: if the switch (=action2) uses var 7F, then in nfo the value would be 4 22:40:42 * andythenorth closes a ticket by backlogging it 22:40:54 <Hirundo> PeterT: What version are you using? 22:40:59 <PeterT> Hirundo: 0.7.5 22:41:12 <PeterT> Hirundo: It is patched with CityBuilder, if that matters 22:41:16 <Wolf01> 'night 22:41:23 <Wolf01> buona notte __ln__ 22:41:31 * PeterT buries Wolf01 22:41:36 <Wolf01> :) 22:41:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:41:49 <Hirundo> PeterT: Yes, that might matter a lot. 22:42:18 <PeterT> what if it was with a normal version, unpatched? 22:42:26 <PeterT> Hirundo: what would it mean? 22:43:03 <Yexo> that some string was too long 22:43:23 <PeterT> Ok 22:43:30 <PeterT> that would make sense 22:43:38 <PeterT> since the server sends private messages about the city info 22:44:09 <andythenorth> good night 22:44:20 <PeterT> Night andythenorth 22:44:39 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:45:38 <Ammler> well, that looks like I have no idea about VarAction2 :-) 22:45:48 <Hirundo> Actino6 may provide more power to the user, since he has the freedom to choose what he wants 22:46:02 <Hirundo> On the other hand, it may provide even more rope to hang himself with 22:46:03 <Ammler> don't see why you should like to use value of a variable you define _after_ 22:47:21 <Ammler> sounds like you define a function to me... 22:48:41 <Yexo> yes, action6 feels more intuitive 22:49:31 <Hirundo> A bit like lexical closures in other languages 22:49:56 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs/repository/entry/opengfx/makegrf <-- a lot of Action6, loops and such :-) 22:52:05 <Ammler> oh, I didn't push my final grf... 22:58:26 <Yexo> Ammler: it looks like the comments don't match the nfo code 22:58:44 <Ammler> yeah :-) 23:03:27 *** JakeGrimshaw [~jake.grim@5e02fc8d.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [] 23:04:55 <Ammler> Yexo: I pushed the final version, requery 23:05:20 <Ammler> comments are still not valid :-/ 23:05:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:11 <Ammler> I am also not able to get Tropic/Arctic working... 23:09:03 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 23:11:32 *** goblin_ [~goblin@krlh-5f72cac8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:05 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 23:22:29 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaafee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:22 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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