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09:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly not me... 09:36:58 <ibaxx> @eddi ich denke wir können deutsch reden? 09:38:40 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:39:11 <__ln__> wenn ihr ÃŒber vollen englischen frÃŒhstÃŒck redet 09:39:54 <ibaxx> willst bohnen mit wÃŒrstchen? 09:42:02 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-233-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:20 <ibaxx> ich habe ein problem mit openttd... ich habe es jetzt lÀnger nicht mehr gespielt und habe jetzt mal die 1.0.1RC geladen... nun hab ich auf leicht gestellt... spiel gestartet und eine schienenverbindung zwischen einer ölraffinerie und einem ölförderanlage gebaut 09:44:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:43 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:50 <ibaxx> zug erstellt, gesagt der zug soll erst fahren wenn er voll ist 09:44:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:16 <ibaxx> nun kommts zu dem problem dass der zug nur minus macht? 09:45:23 <ibaxx> neues feature oder bug? 09:46:00 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:46:02 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:46:21 <SmatZ> ibaxx: do trains load anything? 09:46:42 <ibaxx> ja / yes 09:46:48 <SmatZ> do they have any (little) income when unloading? 09:46:56 <ibaxx> yes 09:47:15 <SmatZ> does the unload station "Accept" the oil? 09:47:23 <ibaxx> yes 09:47:48 <SmatZ> ibaxx: do you use Transfer orders? 09:48:03 <SmatZ> at unload station 09:48:07 <ibaxx> what do you mean? 09:48:20 <ibaxx> transfer to another station? 09:48:37 <SmatZ> ibaxx: there are load/unload order flags 09:48:49 <SmatZ> "Full Load", "No Loading", "Unload", "Transfer" 09:49:00 <SmatZ> try using Full Load at loading station 09:49:06 <ibaxx> full load at the oil field 09:49:11 <SmatZ> hmm 09:49:22 <ibaxx> tried nothing and unload at the raffinery 09:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> try "unload" and "no loading" at the refinery 09:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> [turns to "unload and leave empty" or something] 09:50:28 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:30 <SmatZ> if the cargo starts appearing at the unload station, there is something wrong :) 09:50:58 <ibaxx> moment i try again 09:56:31 <ibaxx> 9 wagons with oil full loaded 09:56:37 *** mrruben5 [~mrruben5@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:56:50 <ibaxx> 2900euro 09:57:29 <ibaxx> -10000euro profit of the train 09:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have any newgrfs loaded? 09:59:00 <ibaxx> yes 09:59:11 <ibaxx> do you thing there is the problem? 09:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> one grf may change the prices 10:01:36 <ibaxx> there is one with prices 10:01:44 <ibaxx> deactiveted and same problem 10:02:02 <ibaxx> i thought grf are graphics 10:02:27 <Rubidium> deactivating NewGRF doesn't magically make problems caused by games started with said NewGRF go away 10:03:13 <ccfreak2k> ibaxx, GRFs can do things like add new cargos. 10:05:25 <ibaxx> looks better now 10:06:50 <ibaxx> thank you 10:09:26 <peter1138> weird, amazon 'spam' about transport tycoon... 10:10:33 *** ibaxx [d414ac86@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:15:46 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 10:19:16 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:20:25 *** |NoobCp| [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:30 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:11 *** |NoobCp| [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 10:28:31 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:21 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:37 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:44:43 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:05 <__ln__> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/men-with-iphones-are-more-attractive-to-women-91682704.html 10:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "we'll do anything to get a story" 10:57:05 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-72-183.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 10:58:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.37.39] has joined #openttd 11:02:57 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has joined #openttd 11:05:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:21 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> ... hm... i have the bad feeling my hard drive overflows tonight... 11:09:44 <Eddi|zuHause> about 5 hours scheduled recording, makes ~10GB, but i have only 4GB free... 11:11:07 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n21-p247.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 11:15:18 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 11:21:24 *** piro [~jeremy@pohl.ececs.uc.edu] has joined #openttd 11:22:06 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has joined #openttd 11:23:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:57 *** piro_ [~jeremy@pohl.ececs.uc.edu] has joined #openttd 11:32:33 *** piro [~jeremy@pohl.ececs.uc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:44 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:40:07 *** xintron [~xintron@h-186-134.A185.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:42:24 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19686 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix (r15126): truncated archives were not detected when using zlib 1.2.3. This also fixes zlib 1.2.4 compatibility, zlib 1.2.5 is bugfree 11:44:24 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:47:14 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9529.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:39 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:43 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-74-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:16 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-194-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:52:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:56:05 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:07 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:05:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:708b:b890:9a10:c507] has joined #openttd 12:05:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:14:20 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:10 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-77.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:22:33 <planetmaker> SmatZ, do I read correctly that you now work around all gzip bugs? 12:28:07 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I hope so :) 12:36:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19687 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: desync when joining the game because of using the wrong variable 12:37:38 <planetmaker> very nice, SmatZ :-) 12:37:41 <planetmaker> thanks 12:38:42 <planetmaker> oh, another desync fix :-) 12:38:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium, that's the one from the .stable? 12:39:07 <Rubidium> yes 12:39:13 <planetmaker> juhu :-) 12:39:27 <Rubidium> it's triggered in that case by the desync 'cache' checking 12:39:46 <planetmaker> I don't understand that 12:40:17 <SpComb> nasty shadowing 12:40:20 <Rubidium> the cache checking throws away the caches and rebuilds those, which means the server is "always" like a newly joined client w.r.t. some caches 12:40:42 <Rubidium> SpComb: yeah, maybe it's time to enable -Wshadow :) 12:40:44 <planetmaker> oh. And old clients are not? 12:41:49 <SpComb> m_iMaxSpeed 12:42:01 <planetmaker> iSpeed 12:42:03 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:43:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes, old clients use the "cached" value which is different 12:44:08 <planetmaker> nasty 12:44:52 <planetmaker> Well, I'm happy that you found it :-) 12:45:24 <planetmaker> How long does it actually take you to pin down this once you got all the data from the server? 12:47:35 <Rubidium> it was remarkably "simple" to reproduce it this time; on the first run it did create a desync which was actually comparing my run with your server's run, oh how happy I was I added the random state to the log 12:47:58 <planetmaker> :-) Good news that is then 12:48:12 <planetmaker> Given the size of the data it sounds like a very tedious job 12:48:23 <Rubidium> only problem was that reproducing took 5 minutes 2.5GHz fast-forward 12:48:26 <SmatZ> :) 12:48:33 <planetmaker> :-) 12:48:39 <SmatZ> and 20 minutes with debug enabled :-p 12:48:50 <Rubidium> more like 25 12:48:52 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 12:49:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:25 <Rubidium> anyhow, then half an hours to (binary) disect the last dmp to load that still crashed 12:49:47 <Rubidium> should've done it linearly from the back, but that's hindsight talking 12:50:07 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-141.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:47 <Rubidium> then it took a while to figure out that running it with -ddesync=3 did 'solve' the desync 12:51:08 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:31 <Rubidium> the case was reduced to something like 20-30 seconds by the way 12:51:53 <planetmaker> he... ddesync=3 solved that? :-) 12:52:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes, both running with the cache clearing one meant my "server run" was in sync with your "server run" 12:52:37 <Rubidium> which gave us a clue 12:53:16 <Rubidium> and then it took like 10 minutes to figure out which part of the code "caused" (or in this case didn't cause) the desync 12:53:51 <Rubidium> followed by an hour trying some 'random' variables to see whether they differed 12:54:03 <Rubidium> oh, that reminds me 12:54:47 <planetmaker> ah, that way :-) ddesync changes caching behaviour :-) 12:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> should've done it linearly from the back, but that's hindsight talking <--- yeah, binary search is only optimal if the access time is constant ;) 12:55:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19688 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Codechange: run CheckCaches after the debug desync save, so we don't store just reset values in the savegame but the data from the previous tick 12:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> something that they forget to teach you in algorithm class :p 12:56:38 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:08 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: true, but even if access time was constant linear would've been faster; was like 3 savegames from the back against a few hundred savegames 12:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a reason why you do insert-sort and not quick- merge- or heapsort when you pick up cards 12:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: there's an "optimised" binary search for [quasi] open-ended intervals, where you start at the known end, then double the steps until you find a mismatch 12:59:04 <Rubidium> oh, actually it were only 42 savegames vs 3, but still linear would've been faster 12:59:40 <Rubidium> that would've been more steps as well :) 13:00:21 <Rubidium> nevertheless, after that reviewing the code, adding some debug output trying to figure out where the vehicle's variables differed 13:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there's a trade-off between best-case-optimality and worst-case-optimality ;) 13:00:38 <Rubidium> took about an hour till finding colourmap, but that was a dead end 13:00:48 <Rubidium> so started creating uncompressed savegames to compare 13:01:21 <Rubidium> and then you end up with something like http://rbijker.net/openttd/foes.png 13:01:41 <Rubidium> now please tell me what field differs; hint: it's the VEHS chunk 13:02:09 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 13:02:10 <Rubidium> anyhow, there were many many, so I started to make an uncompressed savegame for each tick to find the first occurrence 13:02:35 <Rubidium> that took lots of CPU and HDD (6.5 MiB per savegame, 2 savegames per tick; one with and one without desync) 13:03:10 <Rubidium> some days between load and desync 13:03:21 <Rubidium> some 75* 13:03:33 <Rubidium> luckily it happened on like the 5th day after the load 13:03:40 <Rubidium> but that's still 13:03:50 <Rubidium> @calc 6*74*2*6.5 13:03:50 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 5772 13:04:01 <Rubidium> almost 6 GiB of savegame 13:04:24 <Rubidium> so, found the first tick where things went wrong 13:04:37 <Rubidium> compared savegames, only 1 difference between them 13:04:57 <Rubidium> so backtracking what variable that belongs to 13:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you sound like you had fun today :=) 13:05:17 <Rubidium> I'm so happy that people don't use groups and FF FE is group id 13:05:29 <Rubidium> makes finding a reference point easier 13:05:45 <Rubidium> so then it's just counting (and counting right!) 13:06:41 <Rubidium> so after a mere 3 hours we had the first vehicle that showed the difference 13:07:55 <Rubidium> and then still an hour or so of incremently adding more debug output to figure out where the first difference shows up 13:08:54 <Rubidium> so... it took only 4 hours. But that's only because I had a command log and lots of intermediate savegames from the desyncing server 13:08:56 <planetmaker> uh... :-) 13:09:08 <Rubidium> a lovely 1.6 GiB 13:09:15 <planetmaker> well. That's one of the reasons we run it :-) 13:09:39 <Rubidium> that took a while to download, which I haven't even counted 13:10:03 <planetmaker> well, download, once triggered, luckily works automatically. Though I wouldn't want to do that at home... 13:10:20 <planetmaker> it'd eat 1/4th of my monthly quota ;-) 13:10:35 <Rubidium> luckily I don't have a quote, just "fair use" 13:10:44 <planetmaker> :-) 13:10:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:07 <SmatZ> :) 13:11:11 <planetmaker> I'm going to change that probably soon... I anyway want another telephone supplier, so I can buy all from one. 13:11:20 <planetmaker> also would make it cheaper. 13:13:22 <planetmaker> But: thanks for taking that time :-) 13:14:07 * Rubidium dislikes TV via telco, but then that might be because it's digital and digital is somewhat sucky in any case 13:14:19 <Rubidium> as in *extreme* lag when changing channels 13:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> my "full use" of my home line is probably less than other people's "fair use" :p 13:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, switching channels in digital is problematic, because there's only an I-Frame every ~1/2 second 13:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that gets added to the tuning delay 13:22:09 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0aeb19.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but since the introduction of time-shift i hardly ever zap anymore anyway 13:27:50 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0aa7ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:50 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 13:31:25 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:54 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:01 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:49:00 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has joined #openttd 13:51:17 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:51:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 13:58:48 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:08 *** lolman [~Holygoat@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:06:54 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-215-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:12:31 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 14:13:36 <peter1138> and over here we'll only have digital soon... 14:18:01 *** beavis5551 [~julian@91-67-139-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:22:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:22:41 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:19 *** |NoobCp| [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away] 14:48:23 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-77.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:50:14 *** mecool [mecool@94.128.45.105] has joined #openttd 14:51:23 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:54:18 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.82] has joined #openttd 14:55:56 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:56:18 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-194-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:14 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-244-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:58:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:58:48 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:03:11 <Pikka> has there been a renum update that doesn't error extended ids? 15:06:03 <planetmaker> unfortunately no. 15:06:15 <planetmaker> but you can of course de-activate error 141(?) 15:06:55 <Pikka> can you? I only know how to suppress warnings, not errors... 15:07:30 <planetmaker> let me check... you mean the high vehicle ID thing, yes? 15:07:35 <Pikka> yes 15:08:14 <planetmaker> / disable the warning:for newgrfs 15:08:14 <planetmaker> / warning about high IDs 15:08:14 <planetmaker> /@@WARNING DISABLE 141 15:08:21 <planetmaker> ^ that's what works for 2cctrainset 15:08:35 <planetmaker> uhm... without the / 15:09:03 <Pikka> hmm 15:09:08 <Pikka> but it's an error, not a warning... 15:09:17 <planetmaker> all the same :-P 15:09:40 <Pikka> hmm, didn't used to be. :) but it works, thanks. 15:09:47 <planetmaker> you're welcome :-) 15:09:48 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:02 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:24:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:46 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:44 <Peping> hello.. I know I asked few days back, but now I finally reached the point where I need it and I gave no idea how to do it. How can I as a dedicated server make a player pay for something? I'm coding a server and I have a chat command that needs that the player pays the required amount of money so it could execute.. Any helpful clues for me? 15:48:12 <planetmaker> Peping, you'll need modified clients for that 15:48:35 <planetmaker> unless you have an item ingame which has just that cost when purchased 15:50:06 <planetmaker> The only thing you can chose as dedicated server is to a) build things yourself via a dummy company or to refuse to execute certain do-commands by returning an error 15:50:40 <planetmaker> though... it might be an idea to generate do-commands which force the player to purchase something or so. 15:51:15 <planetmaker> but then... I've no idea ;-) 15:53:08 <Peping> do-commands you say? Can they make a player send money to a dummy company? 15:53:48 <planetmaker> good idea probably 15:54:21 <SmatZ> @base 34 10 ERRSS0 15:54:21 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 673271536 15:54:34 <SmatZ> @base 34 10 ERRSS0 15:54:34 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 673271536 15:54:39 <SmatZ> it is the same 15:54:41 <SmatZ> :-/ 15:55:28 <Peping> planetmaker: that's what I was told before.. but I completely missed the part of code mentioning docommands.. I spent like an hour or 2 figuring it out and found nothing.. thanks for telling me what to look for :) 15:56:48 <Mazur> SmatZ: Well, if you ask a computer the same question twice in a row, it's highly likely it'll answer the same, twice. 15:57:53 <SmatZ> :) 15:58:04 <SmatZ> I wasn't sure the string is the same 15:58:14 <SmatZ> because the program behaved as if it wasn't 15:58:19 <SmatZ> but, it was my fault afterall... 15:58:21 <Mazur> O vs. 0, you mean? 15:58:30 <SmatZ> yeah :) 15:58:53 <Mazur> Oh, I usually try to lowercase the O, if it fails, it's a 0. 15:59:21 <SmatZ> :) 15:59:37 <Mazur> Thank vi's ~ command. 15:59:48 <Mazur> All praise vi. 15:59:59 <Mazur> (Except emacs addicts.) 16:00:34 <SmatZ> :) 16:01:59 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.132] has joined #openttd 16:02:12 <Peping> will I get stoned for programming on Windows? :D 16:02:30 <Peping> in VS :| 16:03:03 <Mazur> Not necessarily, but you might want to get stoned beforehand. 16:03:05 <Yexo> yes, go program on a mac, we need a mac developer 16:03:06 <Yexo> :p 16:03:14 <SmatZ> :) 16:03:39 <Peping> Macs are like really overpriced where I live.. No direct dealers here.. 16:03:54 <Peping> and the translation to local language sucks 16:04:15 <SmatZ> they are overpriced everywhere 16:04:26 <Peping> so it's like only 0.5% of pepople have a Mac 16:04:38 <Peping> but here it's really terrible.. 16:04:45 <Peping> more than anywhere else 16:04:57 <SmatZ> :) 16:05:07 <Peping> everybody 's reasonable and buys cheaper stuff :) 16:05:13 <Mazur> But you live in the land of Scotch, so stop complaining. 16:05:46 <SmatZ> :D 16:06:41 <Peping> Mazur: you almost hit the right spot on the map.. almost.. now head more east... now a bit south... Don't use the sharp end of that thing or you might kill me.. Yes.. That's the country.. Right there :) 16:07:13 <SmatZ> :P 16:07:44 <Peping> I mean I'm czech :) 16:08:41 <SmatZ> oh, it's you, with that warfare OTTD mod :-P 16:08:58 <SmatZ> he had khfree.net host too :) 16:09:00 <Peping> Yikes! You remember me .. 16:09:04 <SmatZ> :D 16:09:10 <Mazur> Misread your whois, which definately mentions the UK. 16:09:22 <Peping> btw I don't get the difference between DoCommandP and DoCommand? 16:09:52 <Peping> Mazur: not my fault.. Actually I'm connected to an urban Wi-Fi network.. 16:10:04 <Peping> called khfree.. 16:10:19 <Yexo> Peping: use DoCommandP normally, DoCommand only from other Cmd-handlers 16:10:20 <SmatZ> it's free? 16:10:20 <Peping> where KH are the initials of our town 16:10:35 <SmatZ> calls to DoCommandP will be sent over network 16:10:37 <Peping> SmatZ: no, contrary to what the name would suggest :D 16:10:42 <SmatZ> :-x 16:11:05 <SmatZ> Kutná Hora :) 16:11:15 <Peping> Right you are !! 16:11:23 <Peping> google always helps, huh? :) 16:11:38 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:12 <SmatZ> I don't know many towns with those initials :) 16:12:18 <Peping> uncle google is never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around or desert you :) 16:12:28 <SmatZ> it could be Hradec Králové, but it would be HK then 16:12:58 <Peping> SmatZ: am I mistaken or you really know the towns? 16:13:29 <Peping> SmatZ: I mean the names 16:13:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:31 <SmatZ> Peping: I am from Czech Republic, so I kind of know those towns :) 16:13:40 <Peping> oh crap... 16:13:42 <Peping> :D 16:13:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:46 <SmatZ> :D 16:13:46 <Peping> funny.. 16:15:27 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n21-p247.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:15:46 <SmatZ> actually I was to Kutná Hora last summer, but it was all day raining 16:18:05 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n21-p247.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 16:19:06 <Peping> SmatZ: .. your nick is google-proof.. I was trying to find out from where you are. Will you tell me voluntarily? :) 16:19:59 <SmatZ> http://www.openttd.org/en/contact :D 16:23:42 <Peping> hm.. I mistyped the nick the last time.. got your last.fm profile and your libimseti.cz profile.. I can tell you that you've got completely different taste in music from mine. 16:24:04 <SmatZ> :-D 16:24:39 * Belugas is bored bored bored... just took a look at the forums. boring boring boring 16:26:55 <Peping> SmatZ Here is something interesting. According to your libimseti you have a girlfriend/wife/f*ckmate or something, yet you still live with your parents.. Why is that? You're old enough to shoot for the stars without the help of your parents, aren't you? 16:29:03 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:29:18 <Peping> k this silence is getting awkward.. I'm leaving.. thanks for your help though :) 16:29:24 <Peping> kthxbai 16:29:25 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has left #openttd [] 16:32:14 <SmatZ> :D 16:32:49 * SmatZ wonders when he logged in libimseti the last time 16:36:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:48:53 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:52 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:16 *** ChoHag [~mking@77-44-113-86.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:21 *** ChoHag [~mking@77-44-113-86.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:43 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA631.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:16 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has joined #openttd 17:31:52 <andythenorth> hi hi 17:32:04 <andythenorth> these: http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/08/09/abandoned-heavy-machinery/ 17:34:58 <Terkhen> what is that car chassis doing up there? :P 17:35:42 <Terkhen> hmm, wrong word 17:37:46 <bryjen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragline ? 17:37:49 <andythenorth> car bodyshell? 17:38:05 <andythenorth> those ones are a form of bucket excavator 17:38:11 <Terkhen> I suppose :P 17:40:02 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:16 <bryjen> ah, I see. the last two pictures are chains-of-buckets 17:40:52 * bryjen did not realize 17:43:12 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:43:13 *** mecool [mecool@94.128.45.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:21 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.158.10] has joined #openttd 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19689 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hungarian - 17 changes by IPG 17:45:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: indonesian - 3 changes by prof 17:45:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 1 changes by 2rB 17:51:22 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n21-p247.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:56:58 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-102-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe3aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:44 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-102-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:16 *** TheLamer [jiritncm@ip-94-242-81-70.customer.poda.cz] has joined #openttd 18:14:20 *** TheLamer [jiritncm@ip-94-242-81-70.customer.poda.cz] has left #openttd [] 18:26:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f10e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:47 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.132] has quit [] 18:47:13 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 18:52:45 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 18:57:43 <andythenorth> mmmm quiet 19:01:40 <Belugas> shhuuuuuut.... 19:01:43 * andythenorth still isn't sure about hovercraft carrying bulk cargo :P 19:01:45 <Belugas> dont wake them 19:04:29 <Belugas> why not? would be cool 19:06:33 <Terkhen> I don't think they are made to carry that... what about having a lower capacity for bulk cargos? 19:08:55 <Belugas> well... initially, TTD's planes were refittable to coal and other unusual cargos :) 19:09:32 <Belugas> SOMEONE restricted them, on the Altar of realism sake 19:09:56 <Belugas> i'd say as long as users can have a benefit out of using bulk, why not? I sure would! 19:11:18 <glx> well you can use newgrf if you need :) 19:11:59 * andythenorth ponders some names 19:12:46 <Ammler> Belugas: russet refixed that :-) 19:13:10 <andythenorth> FISH mostly uses workaday names like 'Coaster (Large)'. That kind of works ok 19:13:23 <Belugas> Ammler, yes, and it's a good thing :) 19:13:23 <andythenorth> but "Hovercraft (Freight, Large)" is kind of suck 19:14:07 * andythenorth likes the HEQS style of names :) 19:14:27 <Terkhen> hmm... it is also true that transporting bulk cargos with hovercrafts does not sound that good gameplay-wise (why buy an expensive hovercraft to transport cargos that usually are well paid enough when transporting them via slower and cheaper vehicles?) 19:15:15 <Terkhen> because of that, I don't think it is worth to limit bulk cargos for hovercrafts 19:15:49 <SpComb> more trips per unit of time 19:16:15 <andythenorth> I won't limit them 19:16:52 <Terkhen> SpComb: of course, but I'm assuming a higher running cost too 19:17:16 <andythenorth> meh, now I have to think about cargo graphics :P 19:17:34 <andythenorth> so how does an open, flat decked hovercraft carry coal then? 19:18:16 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:19:20 <andythenorth> seems nobody else knows either :P 19:19:41 <andythenorth> freight hovercraft will carry cargo in crates / and or containers 19:20:11 <andythenorth> should that be (a) a livery refit choice (b) fixed by cargo type (c) random ?? 19:20:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19690 /branches/1.0/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 19:20:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 19:20:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Desync when joining the game because of using the wrong variable (r19687) 19:20:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Truncated archives were not detected when using zlib 1.2.3. This also fixes zlib 1.2.4 compatibility, zlib 1.2.5 is bugfree (r19686) 19:20:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Towns with 3x3 and 2x2 road layouts could not expand (r19683) 19:20:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: When joining a MP game all clients with company ID > 0 would be shown as if they were a spectator [FS#3775] (r19680) 19:20:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Client status was shown incorrect in the console (r19678) 19:22:07 <Terkhen> b) or c), a) makes lists larger :) 19:22:46 <andythenorth> I agree 19:23:53 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:24:28 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:04 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:21 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:08 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 19:30:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:31:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 19:35:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-232-210.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:40:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc38ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19691 /branches/1.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [1.0] -Prepare: 1.0.1-RC2 19:55:18 *** shmore [~shmore@dhcp-0-12-17-51-3b-2d.cpe.mountaincable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:08 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19692 /tags/1.0.1-RC2/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Release: 1.0.1-RC2 20:00:01 <SpComb> that was quick 20:01:10 <Rubidium> yup, a number of annoying regressions of which I rather see some testing of the fix 20:01:35 <SpComb> and the zlib workaround? 20:01:46 <Rubidium> that I don't really care about 20:01:56 <Rubidium> except that it needs testing too 20:02:17 *** Phurl [~mdupont@ip-81-210-228-126.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:07:56 <Jolteon> So it says on openttd.org that you've got new users! 20:08:01 <Jolteon> How many more users did 1.0.0 attract? 20:08:06 <Jolteon> (or whatever else attracted them?) 20:09:03 <Rubidium> so far about 120 thousand downloads of OpenTTD 20:09:07 <Rubidium> 1.0.0 that is 20:09:16 <SmatZ> http://www.openttd.org/en/stats 20:09:30 <Rubidium> against 150 thousand for 3 months of 0.7.5 is quite a lot 20:09:57 <Muxy> hi men 20:10:15 <Muxy> still habe problem with restart used remotely 20:10:19 <Muxy> *have 20:11:29 <Rubidium> 0.7.0 "reached" 600 GiB in a month, we're now at 2.5 GiB in 20 days 20:12:44 <Rubidium> Jolteon: http://rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf <- to show it in graphs 20:13:05 <Jolteon> Rubidium: Impressive! 20:13:31 <Rubidium> the first page is OpenTTD downloads, the second is bananas downloads 20:13:48 <Rubidium> the green line on page 1 is 30 average 20:14:14 <Jolteon> I'm looking to run a server thats 'never-ending' (that is, never-ending within the servers capability, as we all know, OpenTTD is CPU intensive with many vehicles) is there anything I can do to prevent people getting rich, then spamming the landscape into the sea, or some crpa? 20:14:16 <Jolteon> crap* 20:14:20 * SmatZ like that linear approximation 20:15:04 <Rubidium> on the last page the blue line is number of downloads, red is MBs of download and yellow is the 30 average of downloads 20:15:26 <Rubidium> Jolteon: all autoclean settings at 1? 20:15:34 <Rubidium> enable breakdowns and disasters 20:15:41 <Rubidium> disable aircraft 20:16:00 <Jolteon> hm. 20:17:31 <Terkhen> use a grf to make landscaping really expensive 20:17:38 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:18:46 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:56 <Jolteon> Would it be possible to make a GRF that doesn't affect terraforming price, unless you're making it meet the sea (or at exactly <sea level here>) then the price is so high it's impossible to ever buy it. 20:21:07 <Jolteon> (Or just produce a custom error message saying it's forbidden, that'd be cool) 20:24:32 <Terkhen> you could raise the "clear water" cost a lot (I think the BaseCosts newgrf can alter any cost by parameter) 20:25:33 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc38ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:13 *** BackDoor_Acx [~Jay@211.185.153.11] has joined #openttd 20:32:23 <frosch123> problem is that the clear water cost is also uses for building canals etc 20:32:36 <Jolteon> frosch123: Damn is it? 20:34:06 <frosch123> noone volunteered to redesign the cost for building canals, locks and aqueducts and clearing sea, river and canal from ground up :) 20:34:31 <Terkhen> hmm... sorry, didn't seem like that looking at the specs 20:34:45 *** BackDoor_Acx is now known as NullRoute 20:35:32 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:28 <NullRoute> Ready ? 20:37:02 *** NullRoute [~Jay@211.185.153.11] has quit [autokilled: This host triggered network flood protection. please mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error, quoting this message. (2010-04-21 20:37:02)] 20:37:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by DorpsGek 20:37:46 <SmatZ> OFTC was faster :) 20:38:05 <frosch123> did that happen before today? 20:38:14 <SmatZ> nope 20:38:23 <SmatZ> he had suspicious nick :) 20:38:31 <SmatZ> and whois showed like 50 channels 20:38:42 <SmatZ> maybe 70 20:41:16 *** beavis5551 [~julian@91-67-139-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41:54 * andythenorth crashed the game 20:42:46 * SmatZ crashes andythenorth 20:42:56 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.158.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:58 <SmatZ> with a valid GRF? 20:43:32 <andythenorth> added a vehicle to a grf, then reloaded 20:43:40 <andythenorth> usually asserts in recent versions of ottd 20:43:48 <andythenorth> so not surprised 20:44:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f10e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 20:44:28 <andythenorth> @calc 46*3.2 20:44:28 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 147.2 20:46:08 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.158.10] has joined #openttd 20:47:11 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-26-232-210.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:52:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-232-210.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:22 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:54:29 *** mrruben5 [~mrruben5@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: mrruben5] 20:55:51 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:56 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:58:54 <andythenorth> @calc 40*3.2 20:58:54 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 128 20:58:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc38ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:02 <Sacro> @calc 1/0 20:59:02 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: float division 20:59:05 <Sacro> :o 21:01:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:27 <SmatZ> @calc 0**0 21:01:27 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 1 21:01:41 <SmatZ> @calc (-1)**.5 21:01:41 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: i 21:01:44 <SmatZ> WOW 21:01:46 <Terkhen> :O 21:01:54 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 21:02:17 <Sacro> that was unexpected 21:02:24 <SmatZ> very 21:02:38 <SmatZ> @calc i**i 21:02:38 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 0.207879576351 21:02:51 <Sacro> that's wrong 21:02:59 <Terkhen> @calc i*i 21:02:59 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: -1 21:03:06 <Sacro> oh yes 21:03:11 <Sacro> i^i is confusing 21:03:35 <Pikka> @calc andythenorth 21:03:35 <DorpsGek> Pikka: Error: 'andythenorth' is not a defined function. 21:03:41 <SmatZ> :D 21:03:48 <andythenorth> :P 21:03:49 <planetmaker> lol :-) 21:04:03 <andythenorth> funny idea of lol you have down there :P 21:04:18 *** lolman [~Holygoat@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:08 <SmatZ> http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/032010/someone_drowning.jpg :) 21:06:42 * andythenorth watches some hovercraft go by 21:06:55 <SmatZ> you live by sea? 21:07:07 <__ln__> something in the photo looks like it had been enhanced using Adobe® Photoshop® 21:07:30 <SmatZ> :) 21:08:26 <__ln__> the lack of shadows probably 21:08:42 <SmatZ> the sign looks HL2-ish 21:09:07 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/hovercraft.png 21:09:57 <__ln__> can one refit a hovercraft to carry eels? 21:10:15 <SmatZ> eels? 21:10:31 <SmatZ> that's like having carrot-only ships :-/ 21:10:40 <andythenorth> __ln__ one can if one writes a grf to provide eels 21:10:43 <andythenorth> do you have eels? 21:10:58 <__ln__> i don't, no 21:11:18 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Bother%3F 21:16:58 *** Yrol [~Yrol@hmbg-5f774fb0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:00 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-233-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:19:26 <Eoin> what release stage is FISH at andythenorth 21:19:29 <Eoin> not checked for ages 21:19:37 <andythenorth> 0.4 21:20:47 <Eoin> tis coming on well 21:21:08 <andythenorth> it's very playable 21:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Sacro> i^i is confusing <-- i^i = e^(-pi/2) 21:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> @calc exp(-pi/2) 21:22:12 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: 0.207879576351 21:22:28 *** Yrol [~Yrol@hmbg-5f774fb0.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [] 21:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't see where the confusion would come from :p 21:24:36 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause2: it's imaginary confusion ;-) 21:24:56 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause3 21:24:59 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 21:25:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 21:28:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe3aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:15 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA631.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> we calculated that value in 10th grade 21:30:26 * bryjen ponders negative pie 21:33:02 <Mazur> I to the power of I 21:33:24 <Mazur> I calculated that once in school. 21:33:55 <Mazur> Basically a geometric job. 21:36:24 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's easier once you know the exponential representation of i :p 21:38:24 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:40:42 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-215-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:48 <SmatZ> exp(j*phi) 21:41:04 <SmatZ> hmm 21:42:51 *** fjb is now known as Guest799 21:42:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BAA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:03 <Rhamphoryncus> huh, sometimes qalculate is weird. 21:43:05 <Rhamphoryncus> iâ â i = eâ â (âpi/2) = (i^i) = (e^((âpi) â 2)) 21:43:10 <Rhamphoryncus> = (i^i â e^(Ï â 2) â 1) â e^(Ï â 2) = 0 21:44:13 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:47:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:06 *** Guest799 [~frank@p5485FBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:06 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:24 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:03:39 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-142-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-215-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:34 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:01 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:27:42 <Terkhen> good night 22:29:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:46 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:29:52 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.158.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:16 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:39:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:43:58 *** OwenS is now known as explosives 22:44:00 *** explosives is now known as OwenS 22:44:04 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9529.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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