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00:00:12 *** Smoovious [~imp586@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:02:30 <Smoovious> is it possible to configure the size of the grassy edge of the land in the desert scenario? make it thicker? (during world creation) 00:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean the distance between water and desert? 00:03:35 <Smoovious> yep 00:03:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i suspect somewhere in "genworld" files 00:03:51 <Smoovious> 2048x2048 map, it seems too thin 00:04:09 <Smoovious> I mean, without re-compiling 00:04:11 <Eddi|zuHause> of course i mean source code changes 00:04:20 <Smoovious> grin 00:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's configurable (yet) 00:04:31 <Smoovious> okee... 00:05:01 <Smoovious> I do like the new open graphics set that is available now... very nice 00:06:44 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050251231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:27:25 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.4/20100611143157]] 02:20:58 *** fjb is now known as Guest1331 02:20:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ACCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:27:06 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@188.109.248.224] has joined #openttd 02:27:55 *** Guest1331 [~frank@p5485D843.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:45 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.242.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:48 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-227-134.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:49:17 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b923:eab1:be81:cdf1] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:02:15 *** DX_Ipad [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 03:02:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.196.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.196.64] has joined #openttd 03:09:02 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:36 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d840.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:34:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c4eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75596.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:24:50 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.176.154] has joined #openttd 05:33:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.196.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:00 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:32:50 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:50 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:48:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:05:25 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:30 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:19:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-207-152.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:11 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:24:14 <planetmaker> peter1138: even the two pseudo-random bits with rail types are worth gold :-) 08:26:03 <peter1138> arrrrr too hot 08:26:15 <peter1138> planetmaker, well, i did add them for a reason ;) 08:26:33 <planetmaker> sure :-) 08:26:46 <planetmaker> But I haven't seen them used and just gave it a shot... awesome 08:26:55 <planetmaker> like having a variety of fences around 08:27:12 <planetmaker> or allowing to smooth-out the introduction year for modern level crossings or tunnel portals 08:27:23 <peter1138> i hadn't ever used them either, heh 08:28:50 <planetmaker> as such it can even be argued to be 'realistic' (for those who like these things): old constructions are updated over time... 08:30:16 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/pics/deadpixels2.png 08:30:23 <peter1138> getting worse... 08:32:50 <Rubidium> videocard messing up? 08:33:24 *** fanioz [7da7381f@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:56 <planetmaker> eh... screenshot of dead pixels? ;-) 08:39:00 <peter1138> yeah 08:42:26 *** fanioz [7da7381f@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:26:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75596.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75596.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:13 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:34:21 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-233-102.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:34:37 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.41] has joined #openttd 09:34:39 <VVG> hello 09:53:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.13] has joined #openttd 10:03:43 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:42 *** Treazo [~Treazo@82.75.58.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:56 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:32 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:16 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:19:59 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.215.186] has joined #openttd 10:36:51 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:40:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:41:58 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:37 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 11:02:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:09:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74752.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75596.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:22:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:33:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:35 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:40 <Ammler> somone on our stable server needs 1% of his cpu while the server needs 90% :-( 11:47:03 <peter1138> heh 11:47:12 <peter1138> overclocked core i7? 11:47:15 <Ammler> there are still huge differences on new cpus :-) 11:47:19 <Ammler> peter1138: yes 11:47:52 <peter1138> welcome stable? 11:47:59 <Ammler> i7 930, OC to 4ghz <--> Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz 11:48:01 <peter1138> i dunno which servers you have :) 11:48:07 <peter1138> hmm 11:48:10 <peter1138> p4 xeon? 11:48:16 <Ammler> yes, but virtual 11:48:37 <peter1138> as opposed to core2 based xeon 11:48:38 <Ammler> still also my client uses 60% 11:48:54 <peter1138> and my server's a measily 2 * 2.4GHz P4 Xeon 11:49:03 <peter1138> lots of ships on that map 11:49:12 <Ammler> ntel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz 11:49:32 <Ammler> yes, if he pauses the ships, the server cpu dropps to 70% :-) 11:49:37 <peter1138> cpu 48%... but that'll be ~100% of one core 11:49:53 <peter1138> 2 * 2.8GHz Athlon 64 11:50:30 <peter1138> 2096... new game! 11:50:48 <peter1138> at least if the server is overloaded, then i went get kicked off for being too slow :) 11:50:54 <Sacro> UKRS? 11:50:54 <peter1138> *won't 11:51:06 <peter1138> NARS 2 11:51:18 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/servers/stable 11:51:35 <peter1138> hmm, landscaping! 11:51:55 <Ammler> well, at least he needed to click once per tile :-) 11:52:38 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 11:52:57 <ccfreak2k> If the CPU is overclocked, is it really right to put it in the "stable" list? 11:53:34 <planetmaker> the server certainly isn't overclocked 11:53:37 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: you mean we shall ban clients which join with oced cpus? 11:54:00 <ccfreak2k> Also interesting screengrab of utter devistation. 11:54:06 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:54:22 <ccfreak2k> It's like Washington. 11:54:23 <peter1138> ccfreak2k, it's all flat land now 11:54:29 <peter1138> with a horrible 2x2 road grid over it 11:54:40 <peter1138> bloody landscaping abusers ;( 11:54:42 <Ammler> well, such things happen on a late game 11:54:46 <ccfreak2k> Oh so it's like California. 11:55:10 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-207-152.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:10 <Ammler> people get bored... 12:09:37 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.128.46.111] has joined #openttd 12:12:54 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 12:15:03 * MeCooL hi 12:15:05 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:15:24 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 12:16:44 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5d87:2573:46ab:a103] has joined #openttd 12:16:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:15 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:34 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:15 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:43:34 <Belugas> helloo 12:44:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f052216109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:30 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:09:08 <PeterT> morning Belugas 13:10:00 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:20 <Belugas> morning to you too, PeterT :_ 13:15:27 <Belugas> hum... 13:15:28 <Belugas> :) 13:15:30 <Belugas> there 13:15:32 <PeterT> :-D 13:17:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77794.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74752.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:53 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:02 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:32:27 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:36 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:38:41 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:53 *** Smoovious [~imp586@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Those who are different, change the world. Those who are the same, keep it that way.] 13:51:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20028 /trunk/src/os/windows/ottdres.rc.in: -Fix: trunk Windows binaries still had a 1.0.0.xxxxx version number 13:52:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20029 /trunk/projects/determineversion.vbs: -Fix: the 64 bits TortoiseSVN wasn't always properly detected 14:34:52 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 14:36:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:51:46 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:52:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 15:03:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:23 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@250.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:40 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.215.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.53.22] has joined #openttd 15:57:57 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:24 *** lmg [~lmg@ANantes-257-1-25-91.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:10:50 <Belugas> 2-1. bye slovakia. was it a good match? 16:11:16 <Rubidium> given that result: no! 16:18:33 <Illegal_Alien> For me: Yes! 16:18:33 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ACCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:29 *** lmg [~lmg@ANantes-257-1-25-91.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:31 <Belugas> ha... 16:21:55 <Belugas> so the experts disagree :) 16:22:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ACCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:50 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:12 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.41] has joined #openttd 16:45:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:53:36 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 16:57:11 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:01:29 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:21 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 17:15:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:16:04 <Wolf01> hey 17:16:34 <Rubidium> hi (and a pre-emptive goodbye) 17:16:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.100.14] has joined #openttd 17:18:45 <SmatZ> Rubidium: you are not happy The Netherlands won? 17:19:09 <Wolf01> :O my father discovered the peltier.... I told him that it is being used for ages on pc heatsinks... 17:19:34 <SmatZ> discovered? 17:19:49 <Wolf01> yes, discovered, he discovers, don't find 17:19:53 <SmatZ> :) 17:19:53 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:36 <SmatZ> I can't say I understand how that can work 17:20:37 <Wolf01> as soon I come home, he started with "peltier" "solar panel" etc... 17:20:43 <SmatZ> but I never tried to understand it... 17:20:54 <Rubidium> SmatZ: why would I? Now the NL plays during rush hour which means earlier rush hour which means I'm going to be stuck in rush hour 17:21:49 <Wolf01> I told him the peltier is like a dynamo: it is the same of an electrical motor, but it does it's best at transforming power into heat and not vice-versa 17:22:53 <Wolf01> 25W to keep a temperature of 12°C... maybe he wandered to use a coffee cup to run a laptop... 17:23:20 <SmatZ> :) 17:27:43 <peter1138> peltiers were mentioned a lot 10-15 years ago 17:27:51 <peter1138> less so now 17:28:52 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.25.100.14] has joined #openttd 17:32:14 <peter1138> probably because modern cpus run too hot for them 17:35:12 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.100.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:06 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa7af.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:05 <valhallasw> afaik peltiers use up something like 1.5 times the power they transfer 17:44:43 <valhallasw> and with a processor that already uses 130W... 17:47:46 <peter1138> yeah 17:49:00 <Wolf01> the problem is: 1) peltier sinks are inefficient with low power systems because you don't have enough power to have the right air convection, and with high power systems they heat (and eat watts) already too much 17:49:02 <valhallasw> peltiers are only really useful as temperature stabilizers 17:49:19 <planetmaker> peltier elements are no heat sinks. Just heat transfer devices 17:49:30 <planetmaker> in all cases 17:49:32 <valhallasw> aye 17:49:44 <Wolf01> yes, I know it's only for abbreviation 17:49:53 <valhallasw> quite useful for keeping a CCD at -40 celcius, though :-) 17:50:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:02 <planetmaker> very much indeed :-) 17:50:18 <andythenorth> evening 17:50:28 <planetmaker> actually also for providing a near-arbitrary temperature profile on a surface 17:50:34 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth 17:50:43 <valhallasw> yep 17:50:57 <planetmaker> we have some with 80K and 2 Hz :-D 17:51:33 <planetmaker> 80K peak-to-peak 17:51:33 <valhallasw> you're using a peltier to cool something down to 80K?! 17:51:37 <valhallasw> ah 17:51:42 <planetmaker> variation :-) 17:51:50 <planetmaker> around ~room temperate 17:51:53 <valhallasw> ah, rihgt 17:52:20 <valhallasw> although I cannot think of many materials that are able to actually transport that 2Hz temperature change :p 17:54:14 <planetmaker> internally water-cooled 17:55:58 <planetmaker> and they're hand-selected elements from the assembly-line ;-) 17:56:21 <planetmaker> or maybe even their research lab, I'd bet 17:56:29 <valhallasw> heh 17:59:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@137.205.16.68] has joined #openttd 18:08:11 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@250.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:14:23 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20030 /trunk/src/network/core/os_abstraction.h: -Fix: MSVC 2010 defines more POSIX error constants that we define as well. 18:14:34 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20031 /trunk/ (.gitignore .hgignore): -Fix: git and hg didn't ignore the generated windows RC file. 18:24:46 <Terkhen> hello 18:25:12 <Rubidium> evening Terkhen 18:26:55 <Terkhen> someone wants to do an exam about concurrent programming for me? 18:27:51 <Rubidium> it's a long time ago I did that 18:28:18 <Rubidium> so the question is, how hard is it... does my current knowledge still suffice? 18:28:59 <Belugas> my only knowledge of concurrent programming is having another colleague working on the same stuff as me 18:32:27 <Terkhen> concurrent code correctness, petri networks, stuff like that 18:32:56 <Terkhen> I've been avoiding this subject for years :) 18:33:13 <Rubidium> smells proofish... in that case: not that good on the subject 18:37:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:14 <Terkhen> I'll have to learn it then :P 18:43:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:48 *** Penseur [~qrabota@95.158.135.92] has joined #openttd 18:59:11 *** Penseur [~qrabota@95.158.135.92] has left #openttd [] 19:07:45 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: glx * r20032 /trunk/projects/ (18 files): -Add: MSVC 2010 project files 19:07:58 <PeterT> MSVC 2010 needs different project files? 19:08:04 <__ln__> of course 19:08:22 <valhallasw> not many changes though 19:08:36 <glx> totally different format 19:08:40 <valhallasw> or rather, the projects I converted only had a 5 changed to 6 19:08:47 <valhallasw> or something like that 19:09:15 <glx> it uses MSBUILD format now 19:11:14 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:12:15 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:07 <PeterT> glx: what format did it use before? 19:13:17 <PeterT> and why must Microsoft change *everything*? D: 19:13:26 <glx> new format is better 19:13:50 <valhallasw> PeterT: it doesn't. vs2k10 can use a format very similar to 2k8 19:14:06 <valhallasw> they don't* 19:14:18 <valhallasw> but better systems are always good 19:14:31 <glx> valhallasw: vcxproj format is different than vcproj 19:15:11 <valhallasw> oh, right 19:15:24 <valhallasw> never realized that 19:15:26 <glx> maybe for csproj it's the same ;) 19:15:40 <PeterT> they just add x to everything 19:15:41 <PeterT> dox 19:15:44 <PeterT> *docx 19:15:46 <PeterT> pptx 19:15:46 <peter1138> vs2100 and vs2800? 19:15:56 <valhallasw> PeterT: this X is for c++, not for 2k10 :p 19:16:01 <valhallasw> at least, I think so 19:16:10 <PeterT> valhallasw: I don't think so 19:16:14 <valhallasw> yeah, I was thinking about csproj and thought other project files were the same 19:16:19 <PeterT> *.vcxproj and *.vcproj 19:16:23 <Bluelight> I better play some OpenTTD while Minecraft is down.. :p 19:16:40 <valhallasw> oh, you're right again 19:16:46 <valhallasw> maybe I should just shut up then :p 19:17:20 <peter1138> 4k7⊠= 4700⊠19:17:22 <peter1138> etc 19:17:24 <peter1138> pom te pom 19:18:03 <Rubidium> valhallasw: x is because that's microsoft's scheme... take a file extension, add an x and use that for everything released after 2008 19:18:21 <Bluelight> What is "Download nightly (r20028)"? 19:18:31 <valhallasw> so, where's my csxproj? :-( 19:18:33 <valhallasw> I feel left out. 19:18:56 <valhallasw> csprojx. right. 19:19:27 <valhallasw> at least, that gives some google results :P 19:19:37 <PeterT> Bluelight: what do you mean, "What is it?"? 19:20:28 <Rubidium> I don't fancy c-hash 19:20:37 <Rubidium> or anything .NET related 19:20:55 * valhallasw likes WPF 19:21:34 <Bluelight> nightly (r20028).. I don't know what it is.. 19:21:37 <Rubidium> Bluelight: it's the automated (every night) compile of OpenTTD's development version 19:21:50 <Bluelight> Ohh.. Cool! 19:22:04 <Bluelight> Have you guys heard about Minecraft? 19:22:17 <Rubidium> yes 19:22:36 <blathijs> Hmm, minecraft.net 404's :-S 19:22:40 <Bluelight> Cool.. What do you think about Infdev? 19:22:49 <PeterT> blathijs: <Bluelight> I better play some OpenTTD while Minecraft is down.. :p 19:22:56 <Eoin> indev is wni 19:22:59 <Rubidium> never heard of that 19:23:01 <Eoin> win* 19:23:02 <Bluelight> Yeah he did an error in the website.. He say he will fix it when he gets home.. 19:23:08 <Eoin> indev is the paid version 19:23:20 <blathijs> PeterT: Ah :-) 19:23:24 <PeterT> :D 19:25:01 <Bluelight> http://www.minecraft.net/infdev/ - It's really cool! When it's working.. :) He does some errors from time to time, but I hope Notch start on multiplayer soon.. 19:25:50 <Bluelight> Hmm.. Maybe I should try to fire up my server hardware.. 19:26:04 <Bluelight> Does anyone know if I need both PSU's? 19:26:31 <Bluelight> Proliant two 400W PSU's.. :p 19:26:40 <blathijs> Bluelight: I think Proliants complain when just one is connected 19:27:04 <Bluelight> Ohh, really? Hmm.. 19:27:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: brb, irssi restart] 19:27:10 <blathijs> meaning you'll have to press F1 to continue or something (at least or DL380G1 did, which was quite frustrating when it was in the datacenter :-p) 19:27:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:27:25 <Bluelight> He he.. 19:27:26 <Rubidium> Bluelight: you should ask my university's former sysadmin about how to fire up Proliants; he was quite good in that 19:27:28 <blathijs> I think newer proliants have an option to disable the F1 press on errors 19:27:37 <blathijs> Rubidium: PP ? 19:28:35 <blathijs> Rubidium: Or are you referring to the guy that torched TWRC? 19:28:41 <Rubidium> blathijs: the latter 19:28:46 <blathijs> :-) 19:29:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:16 <blathijs> Yeah, I guess he fired up tens or maybe even hundreds of Proliants then :-) 19:30:06 <Bluelight> Wow 19:30:15 <Bluelight> But now I don't remember my FTP login.. :p 19:30:33 <Bluelight> I just build a new computer and all my files is on another HDD.. :( 19:30:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-54-82.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:31:55 <Bluelight> Ok, I will try with two PSU's then, but does it use 800W then? Or does it just use one of the PSUs even though two are connected? 19:32:14 <Rubidium> it'll definitely use more than 1 PSU 19:32:29 <Rubidium> although unlikely the 800W 19:32:43 <Rubidium> because if it did, then it wouldn't be able to run on one PSU 19:33:18 <blathijs> It also depends a bit on the hardware in there (and if scaling etc. is supported) 19:33:21 <Rubidium> and given it's a server, lots of monies are spent making it efficient instead of cheap to reduce the heat stuff 19:33:50 <blathijs> with newer hardware, it will do scaling and probably not come close to the 400W with a single PSU 19:34:47 <blathijs> (OTOH, older hardware, like my DL360G3 with a PIII CPU doesn't support fancy stuff and thinks it's a sport to maximize the PSU utilization by draining a constant 185W out of the 180W PSU...) 19:39:34 <valhallasw> with current power costs upgrading might actually be cost-efficient ;) 19:40:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20033 /trunk/ (.gitignore .hgignore): -Fix: gitignore and hgignore had more missing/wrong entries. 19:41:05 <blathijs> valhallasw: Yeah, I'm considering buying a Dell R210, which is know to only use 30-40W 19:41:32 <blathijs> valhallasw: I think that would save me around EUR 500 per year or something 19:41:50 <blathijs> (My hoster charges per kWh used) 19:42:53 <valhallasw> yeah 19:43:24 <valhallasw> and your PIII probably is a 2U server? 19:43:34 <blathijs> I'd lose my iLO then, though (since I can't afford a new server with iLO / DRAC / IPMI / whatever 19:43:40 <blathijs> valhallasw: No, it's 1U 19:43:51 <blathijs> valhallasw: The DL380G2/G3 are 2U 19:43:56 <valhallasw> ah 19:44:23 <Bluelight> I have DL380 G3, and goddamn it makes noise.. 19:44:39 <blathijs> hehe, that's why they invented datacentres :-p 19:44:47 <Bluelight> I can't have this running in my home, lol 19:44:50 <valhallasw> haha 19:45:02 <valhallasw> I have two old physics simulation cluster servers 19:45:11 <Rubidium> at least you won't be losing your server if it makes that much noise 19:45:33 <valhallasw> they are noisy and use way too much power 19:45:47 <blathijs> Yeah, old servers have that :-) 19:45:59 <valhallasw> 2x athlon 1667. Very useful for heating though. 19:46:35 <Rubidium> cooling paste is good for (over)heating as well 19:47:31 <Bluelight> First time I run it now, but I don't have WMware EXS server password, lool 19:47:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:57 <Bluelight> What is WMware ESX? 19:48:00 <Rubidium> maybe you have it but make too many typos tying is 19:48:13 <planetmaker> Bluelight: a mis-spelt VMWare ESX 19:48:23 <Rubidium> s/s$/t/ 19:48:27 <Bluelight> He he.. 19:48:30 <Bluelight> What is it? 19:48:39 <Bluelight> Is it expencive? 19:48:44 <planetmaker> yes 19:48:56 <planetmaker> a virtualization software 19:48:59 <Bluelight> And I don't have the password.. He he.. 19:49:13 <Bluelight> Damn 19:49:45 <Rubidium> you bought it from some company with VMware ESX still installed? 19:50:10 <Bluelight> Yeah 19:50:32 <blathijs> sloppy 19:50:33 <Bluelight> Man I can't hear what I'm thinking with this thing running.. 19:51:13 <Bluelight> Is there a way to log in without the password? 19:52:12 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@137.205.16.68] has joined #openttd 19:53:07 <Bluelight> What does the virtualization thingy do? 19:53:19 <Bluelight> Do I need it? 19:53:31 <blathijs> Bluelight: It allows runing multiple "virtual" servers on a single server 19:53:40 <Bluelight> Cool 19:53:47 <valhallasw> but if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need it :-) 19:53:57 <Bluelight> Now I know what it is.. 19:54:08 <blathijs> Yeah, but you can do without it just as fine (there's also a bunch of free softwares that do something similar) 19:54:09 <Bluelight> But I thought WMware was free..? 19:54:19 <blathijs> There's multiple versions of VMWare 19:54:31 <blathijs> I think ESX is the professional version 19:54:39 <Bluelight> Ok, can you explain the variations please? 19:54:39 <blathijs> There's also ESXi, which might be free 19:54:46 <blathijs> Bluelight: Just google a bit 19:54:49 <Bluelight> Ok 19:54:51 <blathijs> I don't know them either 19:54:55 <Bluelight> Thank you.. :) 19:55:18 <blathijs> but if you just want to get started with the server, you should probably just overwrite the ESX installation with a new OS 19:58:22 *** ajmiles [~aj@137.205.16.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:27 <Bluelight> So! How bout Linux? 19:59:00 <valhallasw> Nah. Just use Windows Server. 19:59:03 * valhallasw runs ~/o/ 19:59:12 <Bluelight> Do I need command line skillls to run a Linux OpenTTD? 19:59:46 <Bluelight> I don't want Microsoft.. :p 20:02:27 <planetmaker> hm... rail types and tram tracks don't like eachother :-( 20:04:19 <blathijs> Bluelight: Then go experiment with Linux :-) 20:05:05 * MeCooL :) 20:06:25 <PeterT> Bluelight: do you play OpenTTD from command line? 20:06:27 <PeterT> :p 20:07:21 <Bluelight> No, I play it on Windows XP, but I want to host with Linux.. And I will host a TeamSpeak server too.. And Minecraft multiplayer when it gets out.. 20:08:33 <PeterT> well, hosting 20:08:40 <PeterT> indeed so, you need command line skills 20:12:28 <planetmaker> Bluelight: then have fun without command line ;-) 20:13:39 <Bluelight> without? 20:15:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:52 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:20:43 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:34 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:15 <welshdragon> Ammler: you around? 20:43:48 <welshdragon> or in fact: anybody: 20:44:07 <Rubidium> @seen anybody 20:44:07 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: I have not seen anybody. 20:44:20 <welshdragon> openttd-dedicated requires openttd-opengfx 20:44:20 <welshdragon> openttd-opengfx requires openttd 20:44:20 <welshdragon> openttd conflicts with openttd-dedicated 20:44:31 <planetmaker> sounds sensible 20:44:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it doesn't 20:44:53 <planetmaker> unless you rename binaries 20:44:57 <welshdragon> (this is from the server admin who is trying to install openttd-dedicated on CentOS) 20:45:00 <Rubidium> unless openttd-dedicated provides openttd 20:45:16 <planetmaker> yes 20:45:18 <planetmaker> true 20:45:19 <glx> blame centos maintainer ;) 20:45:27 <planetmaker> which is Ammler ;) 20:45:30 <welshdragon> haha 20:45:43 <planetmaker> or at least OpenSuSE. But he provides afaik the rpms 20:45:56 <welshdragon> yes, he does 20:46:20 <Ammler> [22:44] <welshdragon> openttd-opengfx requires openttd <-- that is wrong 20:46:25 <Ammler> should be openttd-data 20:46:39 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:58 <welshdragon> that's what i was told 20:48:16 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd-data-opengfx/openttd-data-opengfx.spec <-- I see no require openttd 20:48:27 <Ammler> I assume, you mix repos 20:48:43 <welshdragon> i gave him the address you gave me :P 20:49:28 <Ammler> the official rpms might have such config 20:49:38 <welshdragon> Ammler: there is the package openttd-data 20:49:52 <Bluelight> Is Server version of Ubuntu any good? 20:50:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-31-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:39 <Ammler> welshdragon: my repo doesn't have package openttd-opengfx 20:51:00 <welshdragon> Ammler: i'm not disputing that 20:51:01 <Ammler> so obviously you mix official repos with my repos 20:51:05 <welshdragon> no no 20:51:34 <welshdragon> openttd-dedicated requires openttd-opengfx 20:51:34 <welshdragon> openttd-opengfx requires openttd 20:51:35 <welshdragon> openttd conflicts with openttd-dedicated 20:51:52 <welshdragon> There's a broken package somewhere 20:52:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-7-74.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:52:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:53:29 <Xaroth_> lol 20:53:33 <Ammler> hmm, I am not aware someone else is building openttd-dedicated 20:53:42 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:58 <welshdragon> Ammler: this is from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/CentOS_5/ 20:53:58 <Ammler> and my openttd-dedicated doesn't require openttd-opengfx 20:54:22 <welshdragon> hm 20:54:39 <Ammler> do you see openttd-opengfx there? 20:57:13 *** Narcissus [~alex@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:15 <Narcissus> uhh Ammler 20:57:30 <Narcissus> welshdragon: wanted me to talk to you 20:57:34 <welshdragon> :P 20:58:31 <__ln__> planetmaker: you haven't sent payment details yet, have you? (just checking) 20:58:36 <welshdragon> Ammler: Narcissus is the server admin who is installing the dedicated server 20:59:25 <Narcissus> s/server admin/mug/ 20:59:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77794.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:02 <Ammler> Narcissus: maybe you install the devel tools and let them build openttd :-) 21:00:17 <Ammler> openttd-dedicated works fine here 21:00:29 <Ammler> there is no openttd-opengfx in my repo 21:01:09 <Narcissus> Ammler: Deutsch? 21:01:27 <Ammler> dann aber query :-) 21:01:55 <Narcissus> 1 moment bitte 21:04:18 <Bluelight> Is Server version of Ubuntu any good? Does it have a user interface or is it commandline too? 21:04:42 <__ln__> commandline is a user interface. 21:07:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:32 <valhallasw> it's impossible to configure a linux server without editing config files 21:07:51 <valhallasw> and it doesn't really add anything, anyway 21:08:18 <valhallasw> if there is any graphical program you insist on using, just use SSH with X-tunneling 21:08:21 <valhallasw> works like a charm 21:08:52 <valhallasw> and yes, I very much like ubuntu's server edition 21:09:59 <valhallasw> more than debian - although comparing a fresh ubuntu install to a five-year-old-but-updated debian install might not be fair 21:12:11 <Rubidium> I'm not that sure about security for Ubuntu though 21:12:42 <Rubidium> only a very small set of packages they deem important, the rest is up to the users to keep secure 21:13:14 <Rubidium> whereas in Debian the security team cares about all packages 21:14:38 <Rubidium> e.g. I made patches for 4 different "old" versions of Ubuntu for security stuff which they left open for many months and then seemingly just dropped 21:15:32 <Rubidium> Debian has a patched 0.6.2 in their stable release; it might be old, but it at least is "maintained" 21:17:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:07 <valhallasw> Ubuntu doesn't care about old releases, I think 21:19:20 <valhallasw> and, realistically, Debian only does that for its Stable release 21:19:40 <Rubidium> for their officially supported stable releases, yes 21:19:43 <valhallasw> yeah 21:20:13 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:01 <Rubidium> point is, Ubuntu doesn't even seem to "care" for their current release 21:21:33 <Ammler> quite stupid to patch 0.6.2 instead simply using new stable 21:21:53 <Bluelight> Hmm.. 21:22:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's not that stupid 21:22:15 <Ammler> yeah, it's debian ;-) 21:22:30 <Bluelight> BRB 21:22:34 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 21:23:13 <Rubidium> Ammler: you fancy python getting updated from 2.something to 3.something for a security fix? 21:23:17 <Ammler> well, at least it is secure as nobody runs 0.6.2 so you can't connect other servers anyway 21:23:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7752E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:42 <Rubidium> and as side effect of the fix break a lot of programs that don't work with the new version of python? 21:24:04 <valhallasw> Ammler: the idea is: only fix the bugs, don't introduce features 21:24:08 <Ammler> Rubidium: that is yacc, not distro 21:24:40 <Rubidium> Ammler: huh? What has yacc to do with python upgrades? 21:24:42 <valhallasw> but it doesn't make sense to have openttd in debian stable anyway 21:24:45 <PeterT> is the source for the WebTranslator public? we'd like to use it for xShunter's translations 21:25:20 <Ammler> valhallasw: that is 0.6.3 21:26:16 <Rubidium> valhallasw: why? If people like it and don't care about upgrading every few months and don't care about MP... then 0.6.2 isn't that bad 21:27:41 <Ammler> not using upstream bugfixes is imo bad 21:27:44 <valhallasw> if you use debian stable as desktop OS, it makes sense. But why would you want that? 21:28:10 <Rubidium> Ammler: but they (Debian + OpenTTD in this case) are using upstream bugfixes 21:28:11 <valhallasw> it makes sense for a server that has no configuration changes and should just stay running for the next 23 years 21:29:22 <Ammler> valhallasw: the lifetime of debian is quite short for that too 21:29:38 <valhallasw> true 21:29:46 * Rubidium wonders whether Ammler ever saw http://security.openttd.org/ 21:29:50 <Ammler> then you should use centos 21:30:07 * valhallasw doesnt want to administer a server at all 21:30:41 <valhallasw> although I kinda miss a dedicated apache server 21:31:11 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:32:33 <Ammler> Rubidium: I would assume, those patches in upstream 21:33:22 <Rubidium> Ammler: that sentence doesn't make sense to me 21:33:24 <Ammler> are also* 21:34:07 <Ammler> debian guys made 0.6.2 package with the patches before you released 0.6.3? 21:34:49 <Rubidium> Ammler: no, but those patches were never included in 0.6.3 21:35:06 <Rubidium> or anything else until 0.7.5 and 1.0.1 (depending on the patch) 21:36:04 <Ammler> oh, they still update the 0.6.2 with those patches? 21:36:22 <Ammler> well, they need to 21:36:43 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:36:45 <Ammler> but that is only possible, because you have such good service 21:36:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes... it's 0.6.2 + patches for the known vulnerabilities in 0.6.2 21:37:11 <Ammler> what are they doing with other projects, where devs don't provide such a nice security patch repo? 21:37:37 <Rubidium> cherrypick patches from upstream and backport them 21:37:58 <Rubidium> e.g. they would backport r19695 21:38:32 <Ammler> in that time, you could easy just use upstream source release and make recent packages 21:39:14 <Ammler> that might make sense for other services, but not for openttd 21:40:10 <Rubidium> the smaller the patch, the better it can be tested and thus the least chance of something going wrong 21:40:24 <Ammler> it can't be tested, as nobody is using it 21:41:03 <Rubidium> no, it can be tested because it is a small contained change 21:41:09 <Ammler> if you are up2date, you have tester :-) 21:42:06 <Wolf01> 'night 21:42:12 <Ammler> I still think, they wouldn't do that with openttd, if you wouldn't supply the patches 21:42:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:43:19 <Rubidium> Ammler: why not? It's a network server and compromising a server via that is bad... so security *is* important 21:43:37 <Rubidium> for something that doesn't have network support security is much less of an issue 21:44:12 <Rubidium> but I think we can debate this indefinitely and still not come to an agreement 21:44:55 * Rubidium wonders what people would say if you ditched security support for Windows XP when Vista was released just because there's a new version that already has the security fixes 21:45:02 <Ammler> 2 0.6.2 servers running 21:45:08 <Ammler> maybe those are debian :-) 21:45:18 <Rubidium> yeah, could very well be the case 21:45:49 <Ammler> Rubidium: I just meant it is stupid to make such effort for openttd 21:45:50 <Rubidium> is that a problem? Nope... shows that it just works and they didn't need to resort to downloading some version from the internet because it didn't work 21:46:12 <Rubidium> Ammler: where do you draw the line? 21:46:14 <Ammler> it be now with 1.0 21:46:57 <Ammler> well, they force the clients to use such an old version too 21:47:06 <Ammler> that might be higher risk :-) 21:47:22 <Ammler> if those run without the pathces 21:47:24 <Rubidium> but the clients will likely be other Debian stable users 21:48:12 <Rubidium> and a patched server with unpatched client (or vice versa) works just fine 21:48:51 <Ammler> well, they should add a M :-P 21:49:08 <Ammler> or a -fix 21:49:19 <Rubidium> yeah... like "your" clientside patchpack does 21:49:41 <Ammler> :-) 21:50:23 <Rubidium> or those goal servers do 21:50:32 <Ammler> also 0.6 wasn't really good MP branch 21:51:39 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:52:33 <Yexo> good evening 21:53:12 <Rubidium> Ammler: there're no real statistics on desyncs, so it's doubtful much can be said about it 21:53:28 <__ln__> evening, Y 21:53:38 <Ammler> hmm, maybe the feeling was such, as there was more newgrfs in use 21:54:41 <Ammler> dunno, did autoreplace ever work there? 21:56:30 <Ammler> does debian support a non-x openttd at all? 21:56:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: I guess it did 21:56:49 <PeterT> do you guys post the webtranslator's source anywhere? I would like to have it for xShunter ;-) 21:56:57 <Rubidium> Ammler: there is no dedicated server package if you wanted to ask that 21:57:04 <Ammler> PeterT: wait for 3.1 21:57:13 <PeterT> Ammler: why? 21:57:28 <PeterT> Ammler: I don't care about bugs, I just need the webtranslator 21:57:28 <Yexo> because the source of the current version is not and will not be available 21:57:31 <Ammler> grep the logs for reasons 21:57:45 <PeterT> ok, so 3.1 will be available? 21:57:46 <Rubidium> evening Vjenne 21:57:58 <Yexo> I asked tb the same thing and that was the answer, see logs of a few weeks back 21:58:10 <Yexo> evening rb 21:58:37 <PeterT> I'm not going to search through weeks of logs - I'll take your word for it. if you do find some reasons, please notify me. thanks :-) 21:59:04 <Yexo> main reason was that the current code is a mess and too specific for openttd 21:59:19 <PeterT> ok, then I shall wait 22:00:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: and as far as I'm aware nobody has (officially) requested it yet for Debian 22:00:28 <PeterT> Yexo: is wt actively developed? 22:00:41 <Ammler> sadly opensuse has no stats 22:00:50 <Ammler> so no idea, if someone is using my packages 22:01:00 <Yexo> PeterT: no 22:01:13 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-207-152.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:01:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.167.248] has joined #openttd 22:01:16 <PeterT> so 3.1 won't come anytime soon? 22:01:25 <Yexo> correct 22:01:32 <Yexo> unless you can motivate TrueBrain to write it 22:02:03 <PeterT> TrueBrain doesn't like me :( 22:02:47 <Rubidium> so, guess 200 actual servers (multiple servers per server), assume none self compiled, all dedicated and the same version... say 1.0.0 which had 150k downloads... yields 1 dedicated server per 750 "clients" 22:02:53 <PeterT> I guess it doesn't matter - we'll use some other translation technique 22:04:26 <TrueBrain> PeterT: money motivates me 22:04:41 <Ammler> well, none self compliled and dedicated doesn't fit 22:04:53 <Ammler> as you need to compile self for dedicated 22:05:05 <TrueBrain> I need at least 80 hours for WT3.1, but lets be safe, 120 hours. 100 euro per hour, so if you can wire 12,000.00 euro to my account, I am sure it can be arranged 22:05:32 <Rubidium> Ammler: *assume* 22:05:59 <Ammler> yes, but that would be worth, wouldn't? 22:06:09 <Ammler> I mean how many downloads of 1.0.x? 22:06:16 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 22:06:22 <Ammler> 150k, sorry :-P 22:06:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: 1.0.0 has 150k 22:06:37 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.176.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:17 <Rubidium> Ammler: ~300k for all stable releases of the 1.0 branch 22:07:22 <Ammler> how many debian lenny downloads? 22:07:26 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I'll give ,000 22:07:29 <Ammler> or the other 22:07:39 <PeterT> (Zimbabwe dollars, that is) 22:07:51 <Ammler> (the least) 22:07:53 <Rubidium> Ammler: add ~130k for 1.0 testing releases 22:07:55 <TrueBrain> I explicitly asked for euros 22:07:59 <TrueBrain> no wonder I don;t like you :p 22:08:29 <PeterT> hehe 22:08:36 * TrueBrain hugs PeterT 22:08:38 <TrueBrain> that was mean 22:08:44 * PeterT hugs TrueBrain 22:08:49 <PeterT> oh, it's ok 22:08:51 <Rubidium> Ammler: ~3.5% of the downloads is Debian Lenny 22:08:52 <TrueBrain> gay 22:08:54 <PeterT> I know you don't mean it 22:08:57 * PeterT runs away crying 22:08:57 <Ammler> Rubidium: it might not be worth to have dedicated versions on binaries.openttd.org 22:09:13 <Ammler> but it could be worth to supply those from the distro repos 22:10:05 <Ammler> or to have support from the Makefile to make those packages 22:10:45 <Ammler> so you don't need to build twice 22:10:51 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I don't have 12,000 euros, so I'll just wait until you motivate yourself 22:10:55 <PeterT> if such a thing exists 22:11:04 <Rubidium> Ammler: the makefile thing is just too much work for too little benefit 22:11:39 <TrueBrain> PeterT: most likely only if I need it in another project :) The support for WT3.1 I got last time consisted soly out of planetmaker 22:11:55 <Rubidium> as you'd need to split out stuff as #ifdef DEDICATED is used at several places throughout the project 22:11:56 <TrueBrain> despite the fact 3 big projects showed interest ... just no feedback what so ever .. 22:12:30 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I see 22:12:46 <PeterT> also, about you not liking me - at least you don't ignore me :) 22:13:05 <Rubidium> maybe planetmaker can push you for support for NML :) 22:13:10 <TrueBrain> I have a mental ignore for people who annoy me; but fair questions will be answered :) 22:13:26 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I try not to ignore you anymore ;-) 22:13:33 <planetmaker> what's up? 22:13:33 <PeterT> err...s/ignore/annoy/ 22:13:51 <Rubidium> although NML's language format is very much like OpenTTD's format, so it might even be possible in 3.0 with minor changes 22:13:55 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:14:12 <planetmaker> ah :-) 22:14:17 <Yexo> it was designed to be very much like openttd's language files 22:14:21 <Ammler> maybe a 3.0.1 ;-) 22:14:30 <planetmaker> we'd need to do that jointly with some newgrf version changes? 22:14:43 <Yexo> but since I have no idea how wt works internally I have no idea how much changes would be needed 22:14:48 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 22:15:06 <TrueBrain> in theory WT3.0 has support for branches 22:15:08 <TrueBrain> it was designed like that 22:15:11 <TrueBrain> just, it was never tested 22:15:19 <TrueBrain> so I have no clue if all checks are in place 22:15:23 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-108-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:29 <TrueBrain> (and I wouldn't count on it :D) 22:15:30 <planetmaker> why would we need a branch? 22:15:47 <TrueBrain> no, I say it has support for branches 22:16:07 <planetmaker> :-) 22:16:07 <TrueBrain> so, it support multiple sets of language files next to eachother 22:16:18 <TrueBrain> just ... there is a good change it won't work :) 22:16:30 <TrueBrain> as at some point I believe I gave up on adding the tons of checks that it requires :D 22:17:09 <Terkhen> good night 22:17:15 <PeterT> 'night Terkhen 22:30:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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