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00:01:04 <win7frog> barebone is just about 6.8 mb. And the only thing by me in the barebone zip is an empty cfg at it's root to ensure the game sees the content_download folder 00:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... not enough Weeds... 00:04:53 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: there's (almost) always not enough of the good stuff and too much of the bad stuff 00:07:13 <win7frog> openttd_1.0.3_windows_win32.zip extracted, empty openttd.cfg created, the game is run, opengfx downloaded. After closing the game, the result is packaged as openttd_win32_barebone.exe (7z sfx) 00:08:44 <win7frog> then, cfg is emptied inside the archive 00:09:16 <Yexo> win7frog: again, if you're only going to use it yourself it's fine 00:09:29 <Yexo> if you're going to distribute that to other people you'll have to follow the licence 00:09:49 <Yexo> that means for example that you'll have to provide the source code for whatever binaries you distribute 00:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you must say that. you're dutch! :p 00:10:55 <win7frog> well, link to website is in readme, which is kept in place 00:13:03 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: *that* stuff is always bad stuff 00:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'll have to take your word on that. 00:13:50 *** win7frog [~yuraconst@178.34.157.148] has left #openttd [] 00:15:27 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:46 <Wolf01> uhm... 3 hours of coding stupid things, I missed the "bed train"... 00:20:00 <frosch123> night 00:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> night frosch123 00:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ha! 00:20:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffe0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:18 <Wolf01> lol 00:33:18 <Wolf01> 'night all 00:33:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:36:08 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-9-91.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:41:58 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-84-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:08 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d130.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:04:57 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:38 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. 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#openttd 06:44:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:50:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-190-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:52:17 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-29-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:00:13 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:04:12 <Rubidium> kieran491: by directly patching OpenTTD's source code 07:04:38 <dihedral> morning 07:05:18 <dihedral> ping Yexo 07:07:38 *** zodttd [~me@24.144.92.44] has joined #openttd 07:08:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CA18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81178.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:21:47 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a 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08:36:07 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-29-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-88-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:41:14 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:28 <kieran491> Rubidium: there wouldn't happen to be a a tutorial or somthing explaining what exact files are of intrested 08:50:20 <Alberth> for what? 08:51:15 <kieran491> to implement scripts for dedicated servers 08:51:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:22 <Alberth> oh, that is very non-trivial 08:52:57 <kieran491> i know 08:53:25 <Alberth> industries, economy, ai files would be a start, I think 08:53:37 <Alberth> assuming you want to use Squirrel as script language 08:53:54 <kieran491> squirrel? 08:54:06 <Alberth> ie, you don't think we have tutorials ready for every non-trivial task, do you? 08:54:08 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-117.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:09 <kieran491> Oh i thought you had to actauly edit the C++ code 08:54:19 <Alberth> yes, the language used in the NoAI framework 08:54:27 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:54:37 <Alberth> there are 2 stages in that 08:55:03 <Alberth> 1. make infra structure to connect a script to the game engine 08:55:18 <Alberth> 2. write an actual script for an actual scenario 08:55:54 <Alberth> 1. needs C++ and some understanding of the script languyage (eg squirrel) 2 needs squirrel only 08:56:27 <Alberth> so yes, to do 1, you need to change c++ code 08:56:40 <dihedral> i am interested in coding a squirrel interface to the game 08:56:46 <peter1138> i get the impression that the authors of scripted servers don't want to share their work 08:56:57 <dihedral> just do not want to sit at it on my own... 08:57:01 <dihedral> do not / cannot ^^ 08:57:09 <peter1138> cannot want? 08:59:19 <kieran491> Alberth: what infra structure btw? 08:59:20 <Alberth> dihedral: coding the actual interface is the easy part, you first need to design it, and change the game engine to allow such an interface 09:00:00 <Alberth> kieran491: you think if you just write a script, it will hook into the game by itself? 09:00:14 <Alberth> the game code is not prepared for that, it needs to be changed/extended 09:00:25 <Alberth> I call that 'infra structure' 09:00:37 <kieran491> mk 09:01:33 <Alberth> ie a new car is only useful if someone also puts down the roads, signs, traffic rules, etc, ie the road way infra structure 09:01:40 <kieran491> is there any code diagram like a uml dia or somthing? 09:02:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20295 /extra/website/bananas/views.py: [website] -Fix [BaNaNaS]: if a tar contained "special" characters it would cause so parts to mess up and it would subsequently fail to handle it properly 09:02:12 <Alberth> there is partial doxygen documentation 09:02:19 <kieran491> Alberth: i was hoping for somthing like a user types "!hi" and it echos back "hello" 09:02:35 <SpComb> peter1138: make the interface AGPL! 09:02:53 * peter1138 makes SpComb BSD 09:02:55 <Alberth> kieran491: you mean a chat (irc-like) interface? 09:03:09 <kieran491> well to start learning that would be nice 09:03:24 <kieran491> then start to dapple in more indepth areas later on 09:03:29 <Alberth> you can look into auto-pilot. No idea how that works 09:04:06 <Alberth> but that is a seperate program running independently of openttd 09:04:28 <kieran491> well i am better of to start learning the code base if i intend to do something more indepth later on 09:04:59 <Alberth> always a good idea 09:05:05 <Alberth> do you know c++ ? 09:05:12 <Alberth> otherwise start with that :) 09:05:25 <dihedral> 10:57 < peter1138> cannot want? <- feel comfortable doing it on my own ^^ 09:05:40 <dihedral> Alberth: yes, i am quite aware of that, would not be the first time i look into it 09:06:00 <kieran491> I am learning it at current i am also learning java they seem simular with some major exceptions 09:06:08 <dihedral> autopilot simply wrapps stdin and stdout of openttd 09:06:12 <Alberth> kieran491: and you can also play with the NoAI frame, by writing an AI program, to get a feel for the type of script that you may want/get 09:06:35 <dihedral> and it only works if the server langauge is english :-P 09:06:59 <Alberth> dihedral: nicely robust program :p 09:07:12 <dihedral> :-P 09:07:28 <dihedral> i only took over from Brianetta :-P 09:08:23 <kieran491> if i start to mess around with openTTD code will other clients still be able to join? 09:08:31 <SpComb> depends on what you mess around with 09:08:33 <kieran491> somthing like changine game speed 09:08:38 <dihedral> kieran491: depends on what you mess with ^^ 09:08:58 <SpComb> there are some things you can change on the server without affecting the clients 09:09:03 <dihedral> if you mess with core stuff, the clients will need the same changes as you have on the server 09:09:06 <SpComb> but anything that changes the gameplay itself is a no-no 09:09:16 <kieran491> mk 09:09:18 <SpComb> i.e. anything that affects the world state directly 09:09:38 <kieran491> mk so the games speed? 09:09:49 <dihedral> guess! 09:09:56 <kieran491> well i would think that be ok 09:09:58 <dihedral> ...nnnnnoooooo! 09:10:14 <kieran491> really i have been on servers that are running at a greater speed 09:10:32 <dihedral> i do kind of doubt that! 09:10:37 <Alberth> kieran491: every machine runs the same program doing the exact same actions. If one of them does something different, you have a desync. 09:10:55 <kieran491> Alberth: see that what i thought would happen 09:11:45 <dihedral> Alberth: i did once think (and hope) of working on such an interface with Yexo 09:11:46 <kieran491> Alberth: but wouldn't it come down to the machines just need to talk each other in the same mannor? 09:11:46 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:50 <Alberth> if you also change the clients, you have fewer problems 09:11:57 <dihedral> he did show enough interest, however not enough time on his hands 09:12:10 <kieran491> Alberth: i would like anyone to be able to still join 09:12:44 <Alberth> kieran491: each machine computes the decisions in the game locally, and they must match, otherwise: desync 09:13:00 <Alberth> ie there is no central machine that decides what is done 09:13:29 <dihedral> well :-P 09:13:42 <dihedral> there is a central machine that distributes actions :-D 09:13:52 <dihedral> but that's about it 09:14:11 <Alberth> yeah, correct. but the whole game state is not copied to the clients 09:14:29 <dihedral> hehe - bandwidth 09:14:31 <Alberth> that would mean you need to download the whole map on each tick 09:14:45 <dihedral> use a 'diff' format :-D 09:14:58 * dihedral chuckles 09:14:59 <kieran491> that would be proccessor intensive 09:15:02 <Alberth> and many people do not have a big enough network connection for that :) 09:16:03 <Alberth> kieran491: even if you don't care about CPUs, you will have a very hard time getting the diff small enough to copy it over the network 09:16:20 <Rubidium> I see no reason to let the game run at higher speed causes a desync; ofcourse, higher speed means less "sleeping" between ticks and not "more ticks a day" 09:18:22 <kieran491> well how does the fast forward button work? 09:18:41 <Alberth> sleep = 0 09:19:45 <kieran491> what file can i see that? 09:20:00 <dihedral> grep for 'sleep' 09:20:05 <Rubidium> fun fact: the server can run fast forward much faster than the client. *If* the map is relatively empty it can do 4 days relatively quickly. 09:20:27 <kieran491> well is there any way of telling the other clients machines to set sleep to 0? 09:20:33 <Rubidium> now those 4 days are the maximum "lag" of a client, which means that with fast forward most clients might not even make it 09:20:51 <Rubidium> kieran491: the clients will automatically go into sleep=0 mode if they're running behind the server 09:21:44 <kieran491> but in a single player game there is a noticeable difference in speed when you activate the fast forward button 09:21:45 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:47 <kieran491> and if a server is clients are already running sleep to 0 then why isn't their a noticeable speed difference? 09:23:02 <Rubidium> they aren't! 09:23:20 <Rubidium> but *if* the client is running behind the server it will go to sleep=0 mode to catch up 09:23:36 <Rubidium> actually this happens when you're joining as well 09:23:48 <Rubidium> (in case the game isn't paused on join) 09:24:51 <kieran491> so if you set sleep to 0 then clients will as well? 09:25:06 <Rubidium> yes 09:25:28 <Rubidium> but DO not blame us for the server kicking clients because they couldn't keep up with the server 09:26:19 <Rubidium> because that is what is going to happen and the reason why we never actually implemented that "feature" 09:26:22 <kieran491> So whats sleep normaly set to then? 09:26:45 <Rubidium> 30ms - time wasted on processing the tick 09:28:14 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 09:30:36 <dihedral> hehe 09:36:09 <Rubidium> zodttd: what is your take on Apple's app store violating GPL ( http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance )? 09:37:07 <Rubidium> it would mean that OpenTTD has to be taken out of their app store once again, but now purely due to Apple's terms and not because you're not complying with it 09:38:35 <peter1138> as if he cares 09:40:47 <Rubidium> doesn't really matter; this is "just" attempt 3 or so to get something out of him. So before I email Apple I'll write a nice long post about it mentioning that I did try to contact (and providing sources of that action). Then at least he can't claim we didn't try to contact him, like last time he claimed that he was on IRC and we didn't contact him there 09:42:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4a14.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:17 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:22 <peter1138> what's the conflict now? or is that it? heh 09:42:45 <Rubidium> GPLv2: You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. 09:42:58 <Rubidium> Apple: You acknowledge that Products contain security technology that limits your usage of Products to the following applicable Usage Rules, and, whether or not Products are limited by security technology, you agree to use Products in compliance with the applicable Usage Rules. 09:43:26 <Rubidium> Apple: The Usage Rules shall govern your rights with respect to the Products, in addition to any other terms or rules that may have been established between you and another party. 09:43:27 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:45 <Rubidium> so basically it's Apple that's limiting freedom which is explicitly not allowed by GPLv2 09:44:37 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 09:46:44 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:47:43 <peter1138> zodttd, zodttd, zodttd 09:47:49 <peter1138> zodttd doesn't care 09:47:56 <peter1138> zodttd doesn't even react 09:48:06 <peter1138> zodttd: not even with lots of highlighting 09:50:10 <kieran491> Will openttd every have a filter system for the server list? 09:50:38 <Alberth> for lim time -> infinity, yes 09:51:14 <kieran491> That'll be nice 09:51:15 <Alberth> kieran491: nobody has a set of plans of what will be made and what not. 09:51:29 <kieran491> Ohh 09:51:56 <Alberth> kieran491: nobody is working on it afaik, but as there is no general overview of who is doing what, I may be wrong 09:52:04 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c204.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:16 <Alberth> kieran491: there is however an easy wat to reduce the waiting, namely write a patch 09:52:22 <Alberth> *way 09:52:27 *** win7frog [~yuraconst@178.34.157.148] has joined #openttd 09:53:01 <Alberth> kieran491: did'nt you want to understand the code base? (although UI code may not be the most useful part of scripting) 09:54:01 <kieran491> Properly out of my depth 09:54:37 <Alberth> It is quite easy in fact 09:54:56 * win7frog only wants to know what's the narrowest font supported by OTTD 09:55:12 <Alberth> way easier than making a whole scripting interface 09:55:19 <Alberth> win7frog: 0 pixels 09:55:43 <win7frog> not the font size, I mean font typeface. 09:56:12 <Rubidium> whatever typefaces are 0 pixels wide 09:56:17 <win7frog> is there one narrower than Arial Narrow? 09:56:38 <win7frog> not all typefaces are supported by OTTD 09:57:29 <Rubidium> as if there are much typefaces that are not supported by freetype 09:57:42 <Rubidium> but yes, there might be ancient typefaces that aren't supported by freetype 09:58:10 <Rubidium> regardless given the amount of typefaces there are, there's a pretty big chance there's one that is narrower than the one you just mentioned 09:58:51 <Alberth> win7frog: OpenTTD simply uses the information provided by the font, so if you can find a smaller one, there is a smaller one. 09:58:55 <Rubidium> even so... questions about which font is smaller can probably be better answered by the freetype developers; we just support anything freetype supports 09:58:57 <win7frog> How do I see if a tf is freetype or not? (if I'm checking via notepad) 09:59:14 <Rubidium> as I said, ask the freetype people 10:02:02 <peter1138> meh, why is my non-blocking socket blocking? 10:02:41 <Rubidium> UDP? 10:03:10 <peter1138> tcp 10:04:01 <Rubidium> then I wouldn't know 10:05:51 <peter1138> :( 10:06:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF884D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:06:29 <Rubidium> oh, the UDP issue only happens with PSP/PS3 10:08:21 *** fmauneko is now known as Guest611 10:08:22 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@62.201.142.2] has joined #openttd 10:08:56 *** Guest611 [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:08:56 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@62.201.142.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:06 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 10:11:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-88-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-241-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:46 <peter1138> hmm, the recv() finally finished with errno connection timed out 10:17:07 *** kieran491 [~kieranb@c114-77-12-55.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:21:27 <win7frog> okay, can't seem to find what freetype font is the best, fonts folder is not any good for comparing fonts 10:28:40 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:30:26 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@frbg-4d028ecb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:02 <win7frog> damn it 10:31:12 <win7frog> CityBlueprint is not a unicode font 10:32:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:34:12 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cf0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:47 <win7frog> ok, so what freetype unicode font typeface is the narrowest? 10:36:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:8413:c3f0:da22:cd33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:48 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 10:39:42 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c204.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-241-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:54 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.14] has joined #openttd 10:43:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.103.190] has joined #openttd 10:43:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-109-126.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:44:17 <Rubidium> win7frog: hopefully you understand it when I type loudly and slowly: W E D O N O T K N O W T H A T . A S K T H E P E O P L E A T F R E E T Y P E ! ! ! 10:45:18 <peter1138> they won't know either :D 10:45:36 <peter1138> ask a font geek who maintains a font collection, heh 10:46:13 <ccfreak2k> A font snob. 10:47:15 <Alberth> alternatively, write a program that computes that information from your fonts 10:47:33 <Rubidium> Alberth: but that doesn't answer his question 10:47:47 <Alberth> hmm, true 10:47:53 <Rubidium> he needs to account for all fonts, not just local fonts 10:48:11 <Alberth> ok, first collect all fonts that exist in the whole world 10:49:55 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cf0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58:44 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:02:38 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:23 *** win7frog [~yuraconst@178.34.157.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:31 *** dragonworm [~yuraconst@178.34.137.190] has joined #openttd 11:12:48 <dragonworm> Found one font - called "droid" 11:13:00 * dihedral just signed an (timly) unlimited contract 11:13:06 <dihedral> yumm? 11:15:52 <Zuu> contract for what? 11:15:55 <peter1138> timly? 11:16:30 <SpComb> timely? 11:16:40 <SpComb> in the manner of time? 11:18:05 <Rubidium> something with the Italian mobile phone company? 11:19:46 <dragonworm> oh, no! droid is TOO narrow. I need something like 2 pixels narrower than Arial Narrow 11:20:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 11:20:55 <Rubidium> please do not use this channel as a "twitter" on your font search, it's starting to get really annoying 11:23:19 <dragonworm> well, font search for ottd. 11:24:32 <dragonworm> why are most game rooms red for me? 11:25:32 <Rubidium> because $reason that is shown to you 11:28:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:26 <dragonworm> is it lack of ngrf or game version? 11:30:47 <Yexo> dragonworm: please start reading (and acting to) the responses given to you 11:30:47 <peter1138> why should we guess when the program tells you? 11:31:37 *** mode/#openttd [+q *!~yuraconst@*] by Rubidium 11:31:58 *** dragonworm [~yuraconst@178.34.137.190] has left #openttd [] 11:32:19 <Rubidium> so will he change his username again? 11:38:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:39:05 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:08 <dihedral> 13:15 < Zuu> contract for what? <- employment :-) 11:40:21 <Zuu> That sounds like a good contract then :-) 11:41:10 <dihedral> aye, and well payed, and a lot of holidays (40 in total) 11:41:18 <__ln__> employment sounds like it may involve work 11:41:20 <dihedral> + bank holidays 11:41:37 <dihedral> __ln__: something totally unfamiliar to you, ey? 11:41:52 <__ln__> not at all 11:49:06 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 11:55:43 <peter1138> well paid too? 12:02:14 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.14] has joined #openttd 12:07:33 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:01 * fjb has work for the rest of his live but does not get payed at all. 12:08:29 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20296 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.h strings.cpp): -Fix: Fallback font selection due to missing glyphs did not work as intended. 12:11:44 <Alberth> fjb: the trouble is that you continue to collect new work during your life time 12:13:26 * fjb also collects promises to get payed. 12:14:49 <Alberth> I collect money instead :p 12:15:05 <Alberth> however the collection does not seem to be growing 12:15:27 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c96b:6e62:db7b:9713] has joined #openttd 12:15:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:16:59 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 12:17:31 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:44 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:50 <DarkNemesis> glx, how do you get that hash? 12:23:11 <glx> what? 12:24:27 <ccfreak2k> Duuuude 12:24:31 <ccfreak2k> pass the hash, maaaan. 12:25:19 <Alberth> DarkNemesis: it's IP6 12:25:27 <Ammler> v 12:25:43 <DarkNemesis> sounds painful - if i didn't know better 12:26:14 <DarkNemesis> Alberth, on a serious note how to use that? mind if i /msg? 12:26:24 <glx> it's just my IP 12:26:30 <glx> no more no less 12:26:53 <DarkNemesis> but.... i'm confused 12:27:06 <Ammler> yes, questions about ipv6 go to #glx :-) 12:27:55 <Alberth> DarkNemesis: your ISP needs to supply such addresses, just as it does now with IP4, then your machine needs to talk IP6, and then in theory it should work. That is all I know 12:29:17 <Alberth> DarkNemesis: so talk to your ISP, they should know about it 12:29:28 * glx slaps Ammler for [14:28:45] DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] vous invite sur le salon #glx (jonctionauto) 12:29:29 <Alberth> if not, find another ISP :) 12:29:42 <Ammler> :-D 12:30:27 <glx> there are also 6to4 tunnels 12:30:51 <glx> DarkNemesis: just ask your questions here :) 12:31:01 <DarkNemesis> oh ok 12:31:46 <DarkNemesis> what is/are the advantages of the hash [***snigger***] compaired to 12:31:57 <DarkNemesis> "nomal hostmarks" 12:32:03 <glx> it's not a hash, it's an IP 12:32:06 <DarkNemesis> or "normal" ip addresses 12:32:17 <DarkNemesis> it looks like a hash 12:32:27 <Ammler> DarkNemesis: maybe you should start with wikipedia article about ipv6 12:32:29 <glx> it's how an IPv6 is written 12:33:16 <Rubidium> hashes generally don't have colons 12:34:06 <DarkNemesis> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Phytic_acid that ip6 doesn look the right one but looks funny and siiilly @D 12:34:09 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. 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I was sleeping. :D 14:49:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20299 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.cpp ground_vehicle.hpp roadveh.h train.h): -Add: Make trains and road vehicles use a different area value to calculate air drag. 14:50:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20300 /trunk/src/ (engine_type.h table/engines.h): -Add: Air drag field to the rail engine information. 14:51:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20301 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Add: [NewGRF] Read air drag property from Action 0 for trains. 14:52:29 <peter1138> and Rubidium's? :D 14:52:48 <dihedral> hehe 14:52:56 <dihedral> Terkhen: that looks interesting... :-) 14:52:58 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20302 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.hpp roadveh.h train.h): -Add: Method for getting the air drag of a ground vehicle. 14:54:42 <dihedral> "commit spree" 14:54:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20303 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.cpp table/engines.h): -Feature: [NewGRF] Air drag property support for trains and road vehicles. Air drag for vehicles with air drag not set or set to zero will use a default value depending on their max speed. 14:55:25 <dihedral> u-u-u-ultra-"mit" 14:56:53 <Terkhen> :) 14:58:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:13 <Wolf01> ok, I know, but you don't want too much realism if not to improve the game, but don't you think this is too much? 15:14:58 <Terkhen> Wolf01: some vehicles need a way to change their air drag value to be able to reach their top speed; for example the hover bus 15:15:00 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:15:45 <Terkhen> I don't care that much about realism, it's just for giving more options 15:16:23 <Wolf01> does a "hover bus" have priority to "basetunnels" or such? both are realistic... ok, hover bus not so much, but basetunnels might give a boost of new possibilites 15:16:23 *** CaptObvious [~matt@cpc3-darl7-2-0-cust55.know.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:36 <Terkhen> fixes (even if in this case they add a feature too) have always more priority than new features 15:17:59 <Wolf01> is this a fix? 15:18:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:57 <Terkhen> allowing to define a really fast vehicle but not allowing it to reach such speed is a problem, so yes 15:19:13 <Wolf01> if it's so, the next newgrf fix might be "fine control of aircraft flaps to allow ekranoplanes" running under bridges 15:19:23 <Terkhen> besides, the problem was present even in standard road vehicles 15:20:52 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:8413:c3f0:da22:cd33] has joined #openttd 15:20:56 <Terkhen> Wolf01: grab yesterday's nightly, build a long road and put a MkII superbus on it 15:21:02 <Terkhen> it won't be able to reach its top speed 15:21:34 <Terkhen> I don't know why this is related to aircraft flaps 15:23:56 *** CaptObvious [~matt@cpc3-darl7-2-0-cust55.know.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:24:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20304 /extra/ottd_grf/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [OTTD_GRF] -Change: add action 14 with the palette and always build a DOS paletted NewGRF 15:24:40 <Alberth> it is an example of another less interesting fix than basetunnels, I think 15:25:57 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 15:27:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d028ecb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:37 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 15:29:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20305 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 15:29:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Change: reduce OpenTTD's install size by roughly 460 KiB by only providing the 15:29:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: "extra" base graphics in one palette and doing the conversion upon loading; the 15:29:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: conversion has existed for a while, but now the NewGRF can tell its palette 15:29:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: using Action 14 thus it can enable the conversion for only that NewGRF. 15:30:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20306 /trunk/bin/data/ (openttdd.grf openttdw.grf): -Cleanup (r20305): actually delete the old base NewGRF 15:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so all grfs are now internally converted to the DOS palette? 15:34:53 <frosch123> no 15:35:16 <Rubidium> either the DOS or the Windows palette, depending on your "selected" palette 15:35:42 <Rubidium> which you select by either selecting a base graphics set (and use that palette) or by the command line palette parameter 15:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that sounds more complicated than it should be, but i guess it's still necessary to set a default for old newgrfs... 15:38:06 <Rubidium> yep 15:38:25 <frosch123> it's also to do no conversion for the majority of sprites 15:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but that default needs only be for loading newgrfs, it could still always use the DOS palette internally 15:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> is conversion that expensive? 15:39:11 <frosch123> hmm, maybe not 15:39:23 <Rubidium> probably not; it's only done upon sprite loading 15:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i was assuming it's just a table lookup on loading the sprite (or reloading in case of sprite cache overflow) 15:39:45 <Rubidium> reloading is loading, so :) 15:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean: in rare cases it's done more than once 15:40:52 <Rubidium> but yes... in theory we could just "convert" everything to the DOS palette upon loading 15:43:40 * Rubidium wonders how long it'll take before the DOS palette becomes the primary palette 15:44:50 <Eddi|zuHause> does opengfx use dos? 15:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i presume not... 15:46:25 <Rubidium> nope 15:50:06 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:51:59 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. 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I'll just switsh to toyland for a while :P 17:35:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.216.30] has joined #openttd 17:40:24 <Ammler> r20305 is also a interesting commit 17:42:08 <Ammler> would it help, if we provide a dos opengfx? 17:42:21 *** Pifta [~opera@fibhost-66-40-181.fibernet.hu] has joined #openttd 17:42:50 <Pifta> hello 17:42:55 <Ammler> I guess, ti would glitch all non Action14 newgrfs 17:43:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: at the moment yes 17:45:05 <Rubidium> although I hope that within a year or so most NewGRFs use Action14 17:45:40 <Ammler> or simply assume non Action14 newgrfs as windows paletted? 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20310 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: basque - 8 changes by Thadah 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 354 changes by KorneySan, Wowanxm 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 5 changes by pda1573 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by pda1573 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 17 changes by mefisteron 17:46:04 <Ammler> (still with the possiblitly to change the palette like now) 17:47:52 <Ammler> that would also work better with those, which use dos original set but like to use bananas newgrfs 17:49:52 <Rubidium> then they should just set the "Windows" palette 17:50:08 *** Pifta [~opera@fibhost-66-40-181.fibernet.hu] has left #openttd [] 17:50:09 <Ammler> but they need to do that for every newgrf 17:50:28 <Rubidium> although the "default" of Windows will get wrong once NewGRFs with action14 become (mostly) DOS NewGRFs 17:50:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: no just start OpenTTD with -i 1 17:50:52 <Ammler> ah ok 17:51:07 <Ammler> it doesn't force that for the baseset? 17:51:22 <Rubidium> nope, that defines a palette for itself 17:53:59 <Ammler> updating the palette templates with dos :-) 18:11:40 <Zuu> snorre: Toyland highfive :-) 18:12:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-206-254.broadband.corbina.ru] 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town the town get's pissed off and wont let me then make a station 18:37:42 <flabbergaster> :/ 18:37:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20313 /trunk/findversion.sh: -Fix (r20309): Mercurial version detection picked up a bit more than it should've picked up. 18:38:10 <flabbergaster> haven't made anything and already they hate me 18:38:11 <flabbergaster> lol 18:38:19 <Rubidium> because you're chopping down their trees 18:38:24 <Rubidium> or houses 18:38:38 <flabbergaster> even if i just flatten land not near it 18:38:40 <flabbergaster> i dunno 18:38:49 <flabbergaster> lol 18:38:50 <Yexo> by flattening land you remove the trees on it 18:39:07 <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics#Local_authority_rating 18:39:12 <flabbergaster> yeah 18:39:24 <flabbergaster> but the land is not how id like it to be 18:39:31 <flabbergaster> for my rail station 18:39:37 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-109-126.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:39 <flabbergaster> also 1950 is the best year to start right? 18:40:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20314 /trunk/src/road_map.h: -Fix (r20312): Too many parameters, missed one. 18:41:38 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-72-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:54 <Alberth> depends on the vehicle set you use, I think. 18:41:58 <flabbergaster> ah 18:42:10 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.14] has joined #openttd 18:42:12 <flabbergaster> ive been just doing 64x64 couple towns and no businesses at the start 18:42:19 <Alberth> for default openttd without newgrfs, 1950 is the default starting year 18:42:24 <flabbergaster> oh and no competitors because they always screw up how i want it to look 18:42:53 <Alberth> I always play without competitors 18:43:02 <flabbergaster> i used to play simcity so im used to being insane about how the city looks 18:43:21 <flabbergaster> but as theres no real simcity 5 ive found stuff like this game 18:43:42 <Alberth> OpenTTD is more about the transport between cities :) 18:43:46 <flabbergaster> yeah 18:44:48 <Zuu> Or writing patches/AIs/GRFs etc. :-p 18:47:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20315 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Replace magic numbers by named constants. 18:53:21 *** shmore [~shmore@dhcp-0-12-17-51-3b-2d.cpe.mountaincable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:35 *** shmore [~shmore@dhcp-0-12-17-51-3b-2d.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:10 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:48 *** BCMM [~ben@78.32.73.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:29 <flabbergaster> oh didnt know just planting a bunch of trees back down would fix the raiting back 18:56:30 <flabbergaster> lol 18:56:33 <flabbergaster> ty 18:56:35 <flabbergaster> gtg 18:56:39 *** flabbergaster [4747df09@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:58:52 <Terkhen> huh? 18:59:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed 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/trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Fix (r20322): surround variable declarations in a switch-block with {} 21:30:01 <TomyLobo> good plan 21:30:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-81-66.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:41 <Wolf01> 'night 21:32:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have the bad feeling this disk is really failing 21:33:34 <TomyLobo> how long do you leave it on daily? 21:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> 24h 21:33:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-255-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:33:57 <TomyLobo> unless it's a server disk, that is to be expected :) 21:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> disk is like 6 years old, not entirely sure 21:34:23 <TomyLobo> seen newer disks fail 21:34:28 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-115-138.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but smart says everything is ok 21:35:15 <TomyLobo> hdds are cheap, get some kind of disk imaging software and you have the whole matter resolved within hours 21:35:44 <TomyLobo> although if it's a logical problem, that wont help at all ^^ 21:36:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20326 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move UnmovableType to its own file 21:36:36 <Hirundo> preparing for newobjects? 21:37:19 <TomyLobo> how did you move it? 21:37:30 <TomyLobo> with IrresistableForceType? 21:38:17 <__ln__> @seen Gonozal_VIII 21:38:17 <DorpsGek> __ln__: I have not seen Gonozal_VIII. 21:38:22 <Rubidium> nah, just cleaning up a mess 21:42:03 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 21:45:27 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:50:28 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-255-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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