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00:00:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:09:11 *** Mofo_Paul [5ed39146@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:16 *** Mofo_Paul [5ed39146@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 00:09:45 *** Mofo_Paul [5ed39146@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:10:06 <Mofo_Paul> heya all :O 00:14:04 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:08 <Rubidium> oi 00:14:34 <Mofo_Paul> sooo 00:14:44 <Mofo_Paul> how you doing?:p 00:14:50 <Mofo_Paul> anyone still plays this game? 00:16:36 <Rubidium> preparing to go to bed and the majority of the rest is already sleeping 00:16:43 <Mofo_Paul> meh 00:16:44 <Mofo_Paul> boring 00:16:47 <Mofo_Paul> :P 00:16:52 <Mofo_Paul> first time i play 1.0 now 00:17:01 <Mofo_Paul> always played till 0.9 00:17:06 <Mofo_Paul> then i quit for months 00:17:08 <Mofo_Paul> now i came back 00:17:18 <Rubidium> you played 0.9? 00:17:42 <Mofo_Paul> or whatever i dunno what version 00:17:45 <Mofo_Paul> before 1.0 anyways 00:17:51 <Mofo_Paul> before the new GFX and SFX 00:21:52 <Mofo_Paul> anyhow, gn then 00:21:53 <Mofo_Paul> :p 00:22:27 *** Mofo_Paul [5ed39146@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 00:41:59 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-178-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 00:47:57 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:48 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:19 *** AlStump [~lolImprol@12.172.243.240] has quit [] 01:11:54 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 01:22:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c190.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:26 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 01:28:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [] 01:42:04 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:47:08 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:21 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:53:00 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@83TAABG66.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> Die Affen rasen durch die Wald. Der eine macht den and'ren kalt. 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08:19:39 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-248-228.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:27:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-230.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:15 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-43-148.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:29:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:36:02 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49600 <- i feel like wanting to say "24 hours +/-" 08:36:34 <peter1138> do it! 08:38:58 <dihedral> nope 08:39:54 <yorick> let peter1138 do it then :) 08:40:10 <dihedral> sure :-) 08:40:15 <dihedral> peter1138: do it! ;-) 08:42:00 <dihedral> silly stupid uing :-( 08:42:22 <dihedral> rephrase: silly stupid java 08:44:38 <Zuu> Talking of taking things litteraly where has DaleStan been lately? ;-) 08:46:22 <Rubidium> being busy with real life, not being really motivated anymore 08:54:34 <Zuu> okay 08:56:02 <dihedral> i am getting odd results trying to squish the uint16 (packet length) into an int 08:56:06 <dihedral> fuck! 08:57:36 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 08:58:09 <dihedral> Rubidium: converting a unsigned int8 to a signed int.... how do i handle negatives? 08:59:11 <Rubidium> http://www.darksleep.com/player/JavaAndUnsignedTypes.html 09:00:39 <dihedral> thank you - you're a star 09:02:02 <Rubidium> maybe I should've given you lmgtfy.com?q=java+byte+signed+unsigned 09:02:24 <Aemy> :D 09:06:48 <dihedral> Rubidium: i've just been using larger types all the time ... with no joy 09:06:57 <frosch123> ttdviewer uses ImageInputStream 09:07:13 <frosch123> that has stuff like readUnsignedShort 09:07:22 <frosch123> and setByteOrder(java.nio.ByteOrder.LITTLE_ENDIAN); 09:07:45 <dihedral> where is that ttdviewer? 09:07:52 <frosch123> devzone 09:07:58 <dihedral> of course! 09:08:03 <frosch123> it reads pcx files 09:08:14 <frosch123> but ImageInputStream is official java stuff 09:08:16 <frosch123> no custom class 09:10:03 <frosch123> actually FileImageInputStream 09:10:13 <frosch123> the ImageInputStream is only a interface 09:13:02 <peter1138> java, haha 09:17:29 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 09:18:48 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:02 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 09:23:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 09:26:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:03 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:36 <dihedral> Integer.bitCount() <- grrr but it works 09:31:47 <peter1138> just program in C 09:31:49 <peter1138> much nicer 09:32:10 <dihedral> but this is making me curious 09:35:19 <frosch123> so Integer.bitCount(-1) returns the size of the storage? :o 09:35:58 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:36:28 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0ea3a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:29 <dihedral> looks like it 09:37:20 <dihedral> erm... nope 09:37:21 <dihedral> sorry 09:39:11 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-248-228.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:45 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:27 <dihedral> frosch123: a symple & 0xFF does the trick ^^ 09:55:37 <frosch123> if that is all what you need :p 09:56:34 <dihedral> so far, yes :P 09:56:54 <peter1138> stupid language 10:10:22 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:40 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c190.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:57 <dihedral> 12:21 <+PublicServer> *** dih-JBot has left the game (received invalid or unexpected packet) <- shoot 10:27:28 <peter1138> nice 10:27:34 <peter1138> so, java, eh? 10:27:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 10:37:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 10:41:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has joined #openttd 10:47:45 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has joined #openttd 10:50:28 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:54 <dihedral> peter1138: yeah, java, but it's a real bitch! 11:18:48 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.177.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:34 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 11:40:17 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 11:40:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:41:16 <Wolf01> hello 11:41:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:53:56 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 11:55:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 12:09:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 12:28:37 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 12:34:33 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 12:39:00 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d390.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:23 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d390.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 12:46:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c190.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8440:73d5:3b45:f5e0] has joined #openttd 12:51:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:30:55 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:37:33 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 13:41:21 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0ea3a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:37 *** snorre_ is now known as snorre 13:43:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:54 <dihedral> i read very odd packet sizes in the payload 13:45:04 <peter1138> you are very odd 13:45:07 <dihedral> towards mid/end of PACKET_SERVER_MAP 13:45:08 <peter1138> using java indeed :p 13:45:16 <dihedral> ^^ 13:45:30 <dihedral> once i have the map it's fine 13:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause> would it be better if they were even sizes? 13:45:41 <dihedral> ... 13:45:48 <dihedral> that would not make it better at all 13:45:58 <dihedral> because i am probably reading too much somewhere 13:46:32 <dihedral> or too little, but it does not look like it 13:47:56 <dihedral> buf[0] holding 164 and buf[1] holding 192 13:48:02 <dihedral> that makes no sense! 13:48:55 <dihedral> so wanting to read 49316 bytes 13:49:03 <dihedral> for one packet?? 13:50:04 <Rubidium> or you're doing it wrong (tm) 13:50:17 <dihedral> if i were i would not receive half the map 13:50:33 <peter1138> maybe you need an unsigned type 13:50:54 <dihedral> it's in the middle of getting the map.... 13:53:19 <dihedral> i receive the first 3 bytes, read them and decide how much to continue reading from the connection 13:53:24 <Zuu> dihedral: What are you trying to extract from the map? 13:53:32 <dihedral> nothing! 13:53:43 <dihedral> i just need to receive it in order to be 'connected' 13:54:03 <planetmaker> then pipe it to /dev/null ;-) 13:54:21 <planetmaker> and send ack to each packet you receive 13:54:39 * Rubidium wonders whether to improve the desync debugging code 13:54:46 <planetmaker> :-) 13:55:12 <planetmaker> server-side desync checks? ;-) 13:55:24 <dihedral> the problem is not the map itself 13:55:39 <dihedral> the problem is, that when reading each packet (and i must in order to know where the next one starts) 13:55:39 <peter1138> send the whole game state every frame 13:55:51 <Rubidium> yes, the client sending the sync state upon the sync messages :) 13:56:00 <dihedral> at some point i get odd lengths noded in the payload, pos 0 and 1 13:56:43 <peter1138> means you are ... out of sync 13:56:54 <peter1138> read too much or not enough 13:56:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium, question is: what would you gain? 13:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you realise that many client connections have very low upload bandwidth? 13:56:59 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:49 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then in case of debug desync we know exactly when the desync begins instead having to wait the 100 ticks for the sync :) 13:57:50 <planetmaker> you only would make sure that clients which deliberately mess with their desync checks are desynced 13:58:18 <dihedral> i always read the amount of bytes noted in the packets payload at pos 0 and 1 13:58:24 <planetmaker> hm. *that* would be a good argument :-) 13:59:12 <yorick> dihedral: are you sure the data is actually recieved when you read it? 13:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: TCP should take care of that 13:59:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: could always send only 2 bytes of the sync state and 2 bytes of the frame; that would be significant enough 13:59:56 <planetmaker> though it'd also render void solutions like where a pseudo client just gathers game data 14:00:03 <Rubidium> in which case it adds exactly 0 bytes to the protocol 14:00:07 <planetmaker> or a logging client 14:00:07 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: the size parameter is only a maximum, I think 14:00:34 <peter1138> planetmaker, you can just modify the server to not check 14:00:37 <dihedral> always after the 24th PACKET_SERVER_MAP 14:00:50 <planetmaker> peter1138, but not, if you're not the server owner 14:00:56 <peter1138> trudat 14:01:06 <planetmaker> Besides... I prefer to run as little patched as necessary :-) 14:01:15 <planetmaker> at least server-side 14:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but then having pseudo-clients is probably not wanted by the server owner anyway 14:01:29 <Rubidium> dihedral: are you checking you read actually <size> bytes into each packet? 14:01:37 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d197.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:39 <Rubidium> @calc 24*1460 14:01:39 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 35040 14:01:39 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, well. Except if you would be the server-owner running that pseudo-client ;-) 14:01:48 <planetmaker> But arguably, there are better solutions. 14:02:52 * planetmaker would still love a default OpenTTD-side logging capability for all commands 14:02:54 <dihedral> Rubidium: the first PACKET_SERVER_MAP is smaller 14:03:18 <dihedral> the one saying MAP_START claims 12 bytes 14:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: so the error starts when you pass 32768? 14:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> =2^15? 14:03:40 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: what would that matter? 14:04:01 <Rubidium> smells like sizeof(TCPBuffer) 14:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you have a 16bit signed error? 14:04:17 <dihedral> i read the length bytes (2) 14:04:19 <dihedral> s.getInputStream().read(this.buf, 2, this.length()-2); 14:04:24 <dihedral> and then that ^ 14:04:57 <planetmaker> dihedral, you still didn't answer any of the previous questions whether you (wrongly?) use signed instead of unsigned there 14:05:15 <yorick> dihedral: are you checking how many bytes it actually reads? 14:05:56 <dihedral> i use signed, but > than unsigned 14:05:57 <Rubidium> dihedral: I urge you to read the documentation of InputStream::read 14:06:10 *** Vitus_ [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 14:06:11 <dihedral> i use &0xFF when reading the byte and type casting 14:06:14 <dihedral> ... works 14:06:20 <Rubidium> *especially* the begin part 14:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: i don't know your code, so i don't know why that matters, but it seems to be the symptom... 14:06:26 <dihedral> yorick: if i were reading too little or too much, nothing would work 14:06:49 <dihedral> Rubidium: what did you find? 14:06:50 *** Vitus is now known as Guest73 14:06:51 *** Vitus_ is now known as Vitus 14:06:57 <yorick> dihedral: some packets arrive in parts 14:07:04 <Rubidium> "Reads up to len bytes of data" 14:07:05 <yorick> dihedral: so the first read would only give half the packet 14:07:23 <Rubidium> which means: doesn't necessarily read len bytes of data 14:07:38 <Rubidium> together with failing on the 24th packet and the first being smaller: 14:07:58 <Rubidium> @calc 32768-22*1460-12 14:07:58 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 636 14:08:25 <Rubidium> you're not reading some 824 bytes in the 24th packet 14:08:38 <dihedral> yorick: that could make sense ^^ 14:08:45 <Rubidium> and then you try to interpret by 637 and 638 of packet 24 as the size of packet 25 14:10:13 <Rubidium> which brings me back to 15:50 <@Rubidium> or you're doing it wrong (tm) 14:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so 32k is the buffer length, and anything after that needs another read to pull the next sequence into the buffer? 14:11:13 *** Guest73 [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:21 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: seems like it, or at least the OS to receive some more pieces 14:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe there's another read method that really waits for the full length? 14:12:10 <Rubidium> but the docs seem to suggest that it blocks is the buffer is empty, which is "good" 14:12:26 <dihedral> Rubidium: that would mean i am not forced at reading SEND_MTU size, but the size claimed in the data? 14:12:33 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 14:13:40 *** Rubidium was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [desync error] 14:13:41 <dihedral> which now takes me up to a not reproducable amount of PACKET_SERVER_MAP packets i receive, and then it dies 14:13:52 <dihedral> thanks 14:13:54 <dihedral> ^^ 14:14:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20446 /trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: unify the location of the water class 14:14:36 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@178.19.113.122] has joined #openttd 14:14:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 14:15:05 <Rubidium> stupid channel desyncs! 14:15:11 <planetmaker> :-D 14:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you unify "one location" :) 14:15:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 14:15:45 <dihedral> think i found something ^^ 14:16:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it wasn't in one location 14:16:47 <Rubidium> for industries it was at another place 14:19:29 <Rubidium> in any case... wrapping the InputStream into a BufferedInputStream will probably help 14:19:51 <dihedral> right - i'll give that a shot 14:20:41 <Rubidium> although... it might not work as well, depending on the value of InputStream's available() 14:21:49 <Rubidium> DataInputStream might do that better as that says it blocks (using readFully ofcourse) 14:22:28 <Rubidium> actually... it might be of use for dihedral as it reads unsigned bytes as well 14:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that's always a problem with huge libraries... there are dozens of classes that do vaguely the same thing, and it's difficult to decide which nuances in their differences you really need... 14:26:36 <peter1138> and then 14:26:45 <peter1138> they give you their own stupid types 14:26:51 <peter1138> png_const_charp !! 14:27:03 <peter1138> because "const char *" is too tricky? 14:27:50 <Rubidium> why do I read png_const_csharp in there? 14:28:48 <dihedral> perfect 14:28:54 <dihedral> thank you Rubidium for that wonderful hint! 14:29:01 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:41 <peter1138> what, rtfm? :) 14:30:00 <Rubidium> peter1138: more like rtfp 14:30:21 <peter1138> p? 14:30:24 <SpComb> yay libpng 14:30:49 <SpComb> png_bytep foo = malloc(sizeof(png_bytep)); 14:30:57 <Rubidium> peter1138: print 14:31:22 <peter1138> SpComb, nice :) 14:31:53 <peter1138> SpComb, but you know it's a pointer, otherwise you wouldn't be mallocing 14:32:09 <peter1138> sensible people would always do malloc(sizeof *foo); anyway 14:32:53 <SpComb> but moral of the story is that typedef'ing *'s away is evil 14:33:15 <peter1138> glib does it too 14:33:15 <SpComb> typedef struct foo { int a, b, c; } *Foo; 14:33:32 <peter1138> lots of things do int :( 14:33:33 <peter1138> -t 14:33:45 * SpComb does peter1138 in 14:33:51 <peter1138> :s 14:33:53 <peter1138> +tn 14:33:55 <peter1138> -80eyg#9tu#9poehgA@Igao 14:33:57 <peter1138> ffs 14:34:06 <SpComb> that looks like a password 14:34:11 <peter1138> could be 14:34:44 <SpComb> the "poehgA" bit distinctly reminds me of pwgen 14:34:53 <peter1138> heh 14:35:02 <peter1138> it was random hitting the keyboard 14:35:16 <peter1138> don't normally get a wide spread like that i must say 14:35:25 <peter1138> capitals in there as well! 14:35:40 <SpComb> -80eyg#9tu#9poehgA@Igao 14:36:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:45:35 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:51:48 <Zuu> STR_GENERATION_OBJECT_GENERATION "Object generation" <-- I read that as an object being generated, but in the Swedish translation it says that "the generation is unmovable". 14:52:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:48 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: there was a commit recently saying something like "rename 'unmovables' because some of them can be moved" 14:53:32 <frosch123> lighthouses and transmitters were once called "unmovables" 14:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. the headquarter 14:55:41 <Zuu> hmm, I probably have to check where the string is used to see if it is a) an object that is being generated b) the process of generating something has been objected 14:56:36 <planetmaker> Zuu, check out the strings which need validation. It should be within that list 14:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> this is probably the world generation progress window 14:56:43 <planetmaker> (if you're a translator that is) 14:57:15 <Zuu> It has been validated by someone, but the translation just do not make sense to me. 14:57:29 <planetmaker> become a translator yourself ;-) 14:57:34 <Zuu> (I usually verify what others has done from time to time) 14:57:44 <Zuu> I'm already a translator 14:57:49 <planetmaker> he, ok :-) 14:58:07 <Zuu> But there is just zero communication among the translators hehe :-) 14:59:05 <Zuu> None of them are forum members that I recognize. 15:00:18 <planetmaker> he 15:00:31 <planetmaker> yeah. Basically it's the same for the German translation. I just do stuff 15:00:49 <planetmaker> but no one seems to change currently anything except myself. 15:01:00 <planetmaker> and if, I don't recognize those names either 15:01:04 <planetmaker> :-( 15:01:10 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but you have a forum thread! 15:01:30 <Rubidium> and maybe even an own forum 15:01:37 <Rubidium> i.e. the german one 15:01:55 <planetmaker> well. The most fruitful input was in the English forum. 15:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember the german translation ever being discussed in the german forum 15:02:06 <planetmaker> But it's long ago someone said anything in that thread 15:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe there just was nothing worth discussing? 15:02:48 <planetmaker> Well... in general the German forum doesn't provide much input on anything. 15:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :) 15:20:55 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabc0c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:56 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.245] has joined #openttd 15:31:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabc0c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:11 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 15:51:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:38 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-42-38.karoo.kcom.com] has joined #openttd 15:59:42 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.245] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:03:52 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-135-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-42-38.karoo.kcom.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:31 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:20:12 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.19.180] has joined #openttd 16:22:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff2a3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:23 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 16:27:20 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:27:41 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:34 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.19.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:01 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 16:34:16 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 16:43:18 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-135-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:19 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:24 *** George is now known as Guest91 16:55:28 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:56:02 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:27 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:53 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 16:57:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:26 *** Guest91 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 17:01:45 <Yexo> Weirdo: http://noai.openttd.org/repositories/show/ai-admiralai gives a 500 error again 17:03:13 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:57 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:02 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 17:18:05 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:25:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:45 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:28:48 <andythenorth> evening 17:31:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:33 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:21 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:22 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 17:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20447 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 2 changes by Wowanxm 17:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_ 17:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 3 changes by planetmaker 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 17 changes by IPG 17:53:12 *** George is now known as Guest94 17:53:15 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:56:24 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:58:55 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:59:42 *** Guest94 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:13 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 18:10:04 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:52 <Ammler> how do I disable newgrf sounds? 18:12:14 <yorick> with your volume slider :) 18:14:33 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:58 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:15:15 <Ammler> NARS has a lot sounds effects 18:15:36 <Rubidium> there is no distinction being made between newgrf sounds or normal sounds, so it's either all or nothing (well, or not loading NewGRFs with sounds) 18:16:29 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:40 <Ammler> yeah, it is fine, I was just wondering if I didn't use my favorite sound set "NoSound" :-) 18:17:00 <Rubidium> then use -s null 18:19:48 <Ammler> true, as you need to restart anyway 18:21:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff2a3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:52 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 18:23:40 <Ammler> does this reduce cpu usage, btw.? 18:24:27 <planetmaker> [20:19] <Ammler> true, as you need to restart anyway <-- you really just can turn down the SFX volume in the music control 18:24:33 <planetmaker> no need to restart anything there 18:25:00 <Ammler> so it doesn't reduce cpu usage? 18:25:33 <planetmaker> that not. Maybe, if you use -s null. But I'm not entirely sure as the callbacks are still run afaik 18:26:05 <planetmaker> just the music output routine which is basically blank is being used 18:26:13 <planetmaker> afaik that is 18:26:23 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:15 <Rubidium> callbacks and such are all run; it just pushes the sounds to play into a void 18:38:45 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:22 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF86E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:45:48 <andythenorth> Ammler: some of Pikka's sets have 'disabled running sounds' parameter 18:47:36 <Ammler> andythenorth: changing parameter is no option for MP :-) 18:47:48 <Ammler> (yet) :-) 18:48:54 <andythenorth> oh :) 18:50:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20448 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_commons.cpp newgrf_commons.h): -Codechange: make some functions that can be const const 18:51:33 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:58 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:21 <Weirdo> Yexo: you can also always slap Rubidium for it, he also knows how to reset apache on the vps ;) 18:57:42 <frosch123> but that is only half fun 18:57:56 <Weirdo> Yexo: either way, it is silly mongrel + redmine being silly .. 18:58:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20449 /trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: unduplicate saving/loading of NewGRF ID + local id -> OpenTTD spec mappings 18:58:19 <Yexo> ok 18:59:09 <Yexo> Rubidium / Weirdo: Ammler offered to move noai.openttd.org to the openttdcoop devzone. Personally I think it's a good idea because openttd.org doesn't host any newgrf projects either and then there is one place less for development 18:59:51 <Weirdo> Yexo: personally, I don't care where NoAIs are hosted. There is just 1 restriction: if you go to openttdcoop.org, you can't use noai.openttd.org. 19:00:05 <Yexo> of course, that is obvious 19:00:16 <Yexo> it would be dev.openttdcoop.org in that case, like the newgrf projects there 19:00:17 <Weirdo> but okay ... I wish I had time to move both newgrfs and noai to a stable env in openttd.org 19:00:21 <Weirdo> but I don't have that time 19:00:46 <Weirdo> picking redmine for noai was a bad move, that is for sure :) 19:01:04 <Yexo> the coop devzone also uses redmine 19:01:09 <Yexo> with hg instead of svn though 19:01:21 <Weirdo> it keeps running out of memory here, or crashes at random 19:01:23 <Weirdo> (or both) 19:01:38 <Weirdo> just another piece of crap written with the idea everyone has 200 GiB memory free :D 19:01:48 <Ammler> that changed drastically here, since we switched to nginx/passenger 19:02:39 <PeterT> Yexo: thanks, regarding your PM 19:03:09 <Weirdo> talking about time, ahven't even had the time to email LeaseWeb ... meh 19:03:46 <Ammler> hmm, didn't check it yet, but I don't see, why mutliple vhosts wouldn't work with same redmine instance... 19:04:17 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:35 <Ammler> also we could also simply redirect dev.openttdcoop.org to whatever... 19:05:02 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:07:11 <Ammler> something which is necessary is that hg needs to be on same host as redmine 19:07:47 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:13 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:33 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20450 /trunk/src/saveload/airport_sl.cpp: -Fix: same the airport tile ID mapping as well 19:09:49 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 19:15:12 <planetmaker> [21:01] <Yexo> with hg instead of svn though <-- in principle we support also the other VCS; they're installed and can be used. Some old projects, like TBRS are svn 19:15:19 <planetmaker> We just don't advocate its use :-) 19:15:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 19:16:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:57 <Ammler> our svn is from pre-redmine and since we don't use it, I never setup reposman for it, or linked authentifciation 19:17:21 <planetmaker> I guess it *could* be done 19:17:35 <planetmaker> :-) 19:18:08 <Ammler> of course, but currently only svn repo reading is supported 19:18:23 <planetmaker> on the front-end. Yes 19:18:28 <Rubidium> if you migrate everyone to there, migrating to mercurial shouldn't be that hard as well I think 19:19:03 <Rubidium> Weirdo: talking about stuff wasting memory... mailman? Only a very small set of people use it, so it basically wastes 10+ MiB per user 19:19:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 19:19:18 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:21:00 <planetmaker> The migration svn->hg is not difficult. The question is rather wether some users rather would like svn instead of hg. 19:21:02 <planetmaker> But... 19:21:40 <planetmaker> hg is 'saver' as it's easier to make a clone of the whole repo 19:22:21 <PeterT> that just highlighted me 19:22:34 <PeterT> oh, I have *is*a*clone*of* on highlight :D 19:22:36 <Weirdo> Rubidium: suggested many times in the past to drop the maillist 19:22:44 <Weirdo> but no .. everyone wants to receive an email when we make a commit .. 19:22:45 <Weirdo> wait .. what? 19:23:53 <planetmaker> hm? 19:24:19 <planetmaker> ... the whole channel waits ... :-P 19:24:24 <Weirdo> good :) 19:24:28 <yorick> ooh... Weirdo is TB? 19:24:35 <Weirdo> @kick yorick I REFUSE 19:24:36 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [I REFUSE] 19:24:39 <Weirdo> oeh, that was nice :D 19:24:43 <PeterT> :D 19:24:43 <planetmaker> lol 19:24:43 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:24:49 * yorick knew that was going to happen 19:24:49 * Weirdo hugs yorick 19:24:56 * yorick hugs TB 19:25:16 <Weirdo> Rubidium: so please, by all means, (un?)plug mailman 19:25:47 <Weirdo> let those who fancy receiving an email when there has been a commit, please get an RSS reader which send them an email :) 19:27:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:31 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabc0c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:56 <Weirdo> Rubidium: something you might enjoy too: the redmine on openttdcoop consumes 450 MiB of RAM :D 19:55:09 <andythenorth> meh 19:55:29 * andythenorth lives in a world where the framework wants 1GB of RAM and the same again in swap. 19:55:45 <Weirdo> let me guess: java :D 19:56:12 <andythenorth> nope. Python frameworks, everything is an object. A 24GB box is becoming 'standard' to keep things sane. 19:56:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 19:56:39 <Aemy> That much :x 19:56:42 <andythenorth> http://plone.org/ 19:57:37 <andythenorth> it can run as low as a few MB...but mostly...doesn't :P 19:57:39 <Weirdo> andythenorth: insanity 19:58:00 <Aemy> The only framework I use for Python is twisted ^^ 19:58:02 <Rubidium> Weirdo: wtf? That would be enough to cache the whole history of OpenTTD like 5 times over 19:58:22 <Weirdo> Rubidium: glad to read you respond the same :D 19:58:36 <Rubidium> I doubt the history of *all* projects at devzone will actually come close to that amount 19:58:51 <Rubidium> Weirdo: although... it's better than mailman 19:59:23 <Rubidium> which uses 100-ish MiB for less than 10 users and one "announcement" list 19:59:28 <planetmaker> I'm not sure how the number of instances is determined. Now it's 'only' 340MB 19:59:34 <planetmaker> three threads 19:59:35 <Weirdo> Rubidium: REMOVE IT ALREADY! 19:59:54 <Rubidium> Weirdo: nah, people are already complaining we even suggested it 19:59:59 <Weirdo> let them 20:00:05 <Weirdo> glx: get an RSS reader 20:00:12 <Weirdo> (it was glx, not? :p) 20:00:14 <Rubidium> saying we should use sf 20:00:27 <Weirdo> oeh, can I shoot someone? 20:00:29 <Weirdo> please?!?!?! 20:00:42 <Rubidium> Weirdo: nah, the father of Olivia 20:00:42 <glx> <@Rubidium> saying we should use sf <-- that was orudge, not me 20:00:54 <Weirdo> of who? 20:01:04 <Weirdo> glx: but I was right about you complaining? :D :) 20:01:17 <Rubidium> Weirdo: father of http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=132509 20:01:38 <glx> I did not complain 20:01:41 <Weirdo> awh, what a cuty :) 20:01:45 <Weirdo> glx: bah, I hate to be wrong :p 20:01:55 <planetmaker> blame him for not blaming you! 20:01:57 <planetmaker> ;-) 20:02:06 <glx> but indeed I read the maillist 20:02:07 <Weirdo> YEAH! 20:02:16 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:17 <Weirdo> glx: yeah, I know you are one of the few who in fact also reads it :) 20:03:21 <Rubidium> in theory a list like the svn maillist should be really simple, except that you have to handle the bounces 20:04:15 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 20:04:40 <Weirdo> "Feed Mailer takes RSS one step further! It e-mails you the updates! We take the hassle out of staying up-to-date, by e-mailing you the very latest information that you are interested in." 20:04:43 <Weirdo> love such qotes 20:04:46 <Weirdo> RSS was made to avoid email :D 20:04:47 <PeterT> paste.openttd.org dead? 20:05:36 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:05:40 <Weirdo> glx: can you maybe try something like: http://www.feedmailer.net/ 20:05:58 <Weirdo> in combination with http://vcs.openttd.org/hg/openttd/trunk.hg/rss-log 20:06:04 <Weirdo> to see if that replaced the maillist sufficient? 20:06:16 <glx> PeterT: yes 20:06:35 <PeterT> what's up? 20:07:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:07:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:56 <glx> Weirdo: I can try, but the description makes me think it won't replace the maillist 20:10:26 <Weirdo> glx: what do you want from the maillist? 20:10:35 <glx> the full diff :) 20:10:55 <orudge> I still don't see why we couldn't use SF for the lists, we've done so in the past :) 20:10:57 <Weirdo> you have to click the link for that ;) 20:11:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:11:15 <glx> without clicking ;) 20:11:21 <Weirdo> orudge: well, that has to be before my time 20:11:55 <Weirdo> but lets please all agree to never ever use SF again 20:11:59 <Weirdo> to keep everyone sane 20:13:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:14:50 <orudge> anyway, if the list goes, it goes 20:14:53 <orudge> but it's kind of nice to have 20:16:43 <Weirdo> 'kind' of nice, meaning it consumes, what, 600 MiB of RAM for just 11 people 20:16:43 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:55 <orudge> Weirdo: it probably was, since it was when the project originally started. SF's mailing lists just use mailman though, so it's pretty much just the same as the current setup 20:16:55 <orudge> anyway 20:16:55 <orudge> I must go and do some other things 20:17:05 <Weirdo> orudge: enjoy :D 20:17:56 <orudge> oh, you're TrueBrain, are you? 20:18:01 <Weirdo> yes 20:18:02 <Weirdo> :p 20:18:06 *** Weirdo is now known as TrueBrain 20:18:17 <TrueBrain> some ass named hisself Truesomething, which meant I got highlghted all the time 20:18:55 * yorick is going to call you Weirdo now 20:19:00 <Forked> (this is where everyone either jokingly miss / and write 7nick Truesomething or actually changes nickname to Truesomething) 20:19:03 <TrueBrain> feel free; I do too 20:19:05 <PeterT> well, there's a way to solve that ;) +be True*!*@* TrueBrain!*@* 20:19:06 <PeterT> :) 20:19:20 <orudge> thought you were some random person 20:19:25 <TrueBrain> Forked: lucky most in this channel understand what happens when they do that ;) 20:19:25 <orudge> :p 20:19:29 <Xaroth> I prefer +b Peter*!*@* :P 20:19:37 <yorick> Forked: the / isn't even remotely near the 7 :) 20:19:46 <PeterT> you don't like peter1138, Xaroth? 20:19:46 <TrueBrain> orudge: still your replies hold ;) 20:19:47 <yorick> /nick Truesomething 20:19:51 <Forked> yorick: it is on my keyboard :-) 20:19:59 <Forked> shift-7 20:20:06 <Xaroth> it would most certainly make for interesting discussions 20:20:07 <orudge> TrueBrain: I have that issue with OwenS, but he seems not to have spoken too much lately ;) 20:20:15 <yorick> shift-7 is & on most keyboards 20:20:20 <PeterT> yes yes 20:20:22 <TrueBrain> orudge: ghehe :) 20:20:27 <Forked> pfft foreign keyboards. 20:20:31 <Forked> lacks the mighty ÊÞå :) 20:20:49 <orudge> hmm, I have around 18,000 commits in my openttd-svn mailbox, nice 20:21:03 <TrueBrain> ever read any of them? :p 20:21:09 <glx> shift-"7" is 7 ;) 20:21:26 <OwenS> orudge: Prod :p 20:21:31 <Forked> shift+7? bah :p 20:21:46 <orudge> TrueBrain: I might also enquire whether you've figured out the server stuff yet? :) The money is of course available, am just curious as I like to know what's going on :P 20:21:52 <orudge> and why is this being so laggy just now 20:22:08 <OwenS> But yes, I've been working on non-TTDi-ish stuff lately 20:22:11 <TrueBrain> orudge: yeah ... still haven't emailed LW .. I really should .. meh .. time ... 20:22:12 <glx> I have only 8502 20:22:14 * TrueBrain writes down for tomorrow .. 20:22:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 20:22:38 <glx> starting at r11587 20:22:54 <Forked> so does this network have the +e mode? sort of opposite of +b 20:23:17 <orudge> and TrueBrain, some of them ;) 20:23:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 20:23:17 <orudge> but to be honest, I tend more to read the subjects as they come in and occasionally click on them for interest. Which yes, I could do with an RSS reader, but this is simpler ;) 20:23:35 <TrueBrain> orudge: that is why I suggested an RSS2Mail ;) 20:23:36 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:40 <TrueBrain> still gives you the mails :) 20:23:54 <TrueBrain> how ever .. we either just need to find a more lightweighted mailman, or solve it otherwise 20:24:00 <TrueBrain> this is just growing close to insanity :p 20:24:14 <glx> (for 3 subscribers only ;) ) 20:24:17 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:18 <orudge> TrueBrain: well, if the server goes down, we'll know who to blame ;) 20:24:31 <TrueBrain> yorick of course 20:24:33 <TrueBrain> but that goes without say 20:24:35 <orudge> quite 20:24:50 <TrueBrain> I really wonder when mailman decided to boom so big 20:24:58 <TrueBrain> I remember a time it consumed 70 MiB in total, which I considered a lot .. 20:25:29 <OwenS> Mailman drives me mad... One of the worst pieces of software I have to deal with... 20:25:40 <TrueBrain> ah .. I should put my reading glasses on, and put the dot on the right place 20:25:49 <TrueBrain> 100 MiB 20:25:51 <TrueBrain> still a lot :p 20:25:54 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:26:22 * yorick imagines Weirdo with reading glasses 20:26:43 <TrueBrain> the fact you imagine me at all scares the hell out of me 20:26:44 <planetmaker> they'd suit him. Somewhat. 20:26:50 <planetmaker> :-P 20:26:58 <yorick> Weirdo: I'm very sorry 20:27:02 <yorick> it happens sometimes 20:27:13 <planetmaker> provided you were doing satire theatre ;-) 20:27:23 <TrueBrain> why do I now imagine that 'sometimes' is when it is dark, and you are alone in your room? 20:27:37 <yorick> TrueBrain: because it's true 20:27:40 <OwenS> In fact.. It cant be just me who hates everything to do with E-Mail? 20:27:57 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 20:28:08 <yorick> Weiro* 20:28:10 <yorick> Weirdo** 20:28:31 <glx> someone really wants a ban 20:29:22 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 20:29:31 <TrueBrain> @op glx 20:29:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 20:29:44 <glx> not need to be op for that ;) 20:29:51 <TrueBrain> it was just a hint :) 20:30:48 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] by DorpsGek 20:30:48 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [yorick!yorickkyorickbyorickayoricknyorick!yorick!yorickkyorickbyorickayoricknyorickkyorick!yorickkyorickbyorickayoricknyorickbyorick!yorickkyorickbyorickayorick] 20:31:36 <glx> oh crazy I just typed !kban yorick 120 test 20:31:52 <glx> and dorpsgek received some strange stuff 20:32:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:32:14 <TrueBrain> I think, and this is just my idea, your script is a bit wrong :) 20:32:26 <glx> <glx> kban #openttd yorick <-- looks like my script is broken 20:32:28 <TrueBrain> although I love the message 20:33:24 <glx> @mode -b *!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl 20:33:28 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] by DorpsGek 20:34:31 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:36:03 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:45 <glx> it used to work 20:38:21 <TrueBrain> and I used to be pretty :p 20:40:11 <yorick> !kban!!kbank!kbanb!kbana!kbann between the "yorick"s 20:40:22 <glx> it's a bug 20:41:04 <yorick> it's recursive 20:41:11 <TrueBrain> he REALLY wanted you out 20:41:13 <TrueBrain> didn't that show? 20:42:16 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.38.92] has joined #openttd 20:42:21 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 20:42:33 <nicfer> oh, 1.0.3 20:45:32 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:49:43 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:22 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51:34 <glx> ok fixed, seems they changed some functions' signature in kvirc4 20:51:45 *** Andel [~andel@178.32.93.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:42 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] by DorpsGek 20:52:42 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [test] 20:52:54 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] by DorpsGek 20:53:10 <glx> now it works :) 20:53:11 <Forked> I was about to type "poor yorick", but figured that might get me a ban :\ 20:53:28 <TrueBrain> we don't ban you 20:53:50 <glx> (the command was a kban 10) 20:54:00 <Forked> TrueBrain: dismantle? ;) 20:54:11 <glx> anyway he doesn't have auto rejoin 20:54:12 <TrueBrain> no 20:54:14 <TrueBrain> we are nice people 20:54:15 <TrueBrain> in general :) 20:54:29 <Forked> that is my ..general impression 20:54:49 <glx> yorick is our favorite target ;) 20:54:54 <TrueBrain> some people just need boundaries 20:55:01 <TrueBrain> so in a way, we are helping him 20:55:17 <glx> like Sacro1 was Bjarni's 20:55:30 <TrueBrain> same goes for PeterT. When he joined he was one fucking annoying little ass ... but nowedays, he is a nice person and good to talk with. All because of our bans :D 20:55:43 <Forked> haha 20:56:11 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:25 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:27 <OwenS> Plus, PeterT makes funny quotes :p 20:56:29 <yorick> yeah it works again 20:56:37 <glx> it was a 10s ban 20:57:17 <yorick> I wasn't looking 20:57:27 *** welshdragon [rdlBNC@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Hosted by rdlBNC] 20:59:10 <yorick> TrueBrain: I sent PeterT in the hope you could turn him into something better 20:59:22 <yorick> it seems like you succeeded 20:59:29 * yorick hugs TB 21:03:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 21:05:22 *** orudge [~orudge@88-104-214-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:10:29 *** welshdragon [rdlBNC@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 21:11:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... A-Team is kinda funny :) 21:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not *exactly* like the old one, but it has its moments :) 21:13:45 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:23 <Yexo> TrueBrain / Rubidium: http://noai.openttd.org/repositories/show/ai-admiralai gives an "internal error" again 21:22:46 <TrueBrain> sigh 21:22:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: can you put your 'service' magic on it, when ever you have the time? 21:23:02 <Rubidium> restart the vm? 21:23:09 <TrueBrain> no, it runs out of memory 21:23:12 <TrueBrain> then it gets killed 21:23:22 <TrueBrain> so we need to place it under services too I guess 21:23:41 <TrueBrain> owh, it is still alive 21:23:44 <TrueBrain> just not responding 21:23:54 <TrueBrain> and it is apache which fucks up 21:23:57 <TrueBrain> that changes things :p 21:24:03 <TrueBrain> will give it a better look some other day .. 21:24:04 <TrueBrain> works for now 21:24:24 <TrueBrain> why did you reboot the VM either way? :( 21:24:47 <Yexo> the message changes to "502 Bad Gateway" now 21:25:01 <TrueBrain> yeah, *someone* decided he should restart the vm anyway 21:25:03 <Yexo> now it works :) 21:25:32 <TrueBrain> will soon link mongres directly to our proxy 21:25:36 <TrueBrain> might solve a few issues 21:25:38 <Rubidium> apache and redmine don't even start automatically 21:25:50 <TrueBrain> well .. don't restart it :p 21:32:01 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:01 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [] 21:32:07 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 21:32:30 *** orudge [~orudge@88-104-214-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 21:33:10 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 21:33:16 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 21:37:22 <Wolf01> 'night 21:37:27 *** George is now known as Guest120 21:37:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:37:31 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:37:58 <Rubidium> did some magic on ruby; though the values may need to be tweaked 21:43:52 *** Guest120 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:45 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da50.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d197.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:22 <Terkhen> good night 21:55:36 <Rubidium> night Terkhen, sleep well 22:00:01 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:26 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:14:14 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 22:17:45 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabc0c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-184-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:19:17 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:22:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AE03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:18 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 22:38:32 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39:25 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 22:40:39 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:50:47 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:54 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 23:03:02 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff2a3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:48 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 23:38:28 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:52:44 <nicfer> is possible to make a scenario/map representating a metropolitan zone rather than a country or continent? 23:53:50 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:33 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:38 <nicfer> well, it's all about creativity, so you can represent the header city as a 'city' and the suburbs as 'towns'