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[~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has joined #openttd 06:55:20 <planetmaker> moin 06:57:47 *** Joni- [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:46 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:15:45 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:24:13 <dihedral> morning 07:26:00 <[hta]specx> night 07:26:01 <dihedral> i noticed i effectively have only two months because i am in Brazil for 3 weeks :-S 07:28:13 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:34:14 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:15 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:22 <dihedral> planetmaker, found the autopilot issue 07:35:58 <planetmaker> nice :-) 07:38:14 * dihedral now writes readme :-P 07:41:27 <[hta]specx> How to add nml doc contrib? 07:41:37 <[hta]specx> need ottdcoop acc for that? 07:44:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:46 <dihedral> acc = account? 07:44:53 <dihedral> ottdcoop = openttdcoop? 07:45:28 <dihedral> in that case, if editing fails, yes you might need an account 07:47:19 <[hta]specx> account gazzilion+1 07:48:25 <[hta]specx> So i create an account, check out hg repo, commit changed file, and then we are all happy and cheering and such? 07:48:42 <dihedral> ... 07:48:53 <dihedral> nobody mentioned 'commit' :-) 07:49:16 <dihedral> how about creating 'bug reports'? 07:49:32 <dihedral> or sending your docs to those with commit rights 07:49:41 <dihedral> or simply editing wiki pages? 07:49:43 <[hta]specx> bug report for a contrib? 07:49:56 <[hta]specx> what wiki page for nml doc is there to be edited? 07:50:04 <dihedral> how should i know? 07:50:13 <dihedral> if not, make one 07:50:19 <[hta]specx> you are suggesting it? 07:50:43 <dihedral> i am close to adding you to my ... VIP list 07:51:07 <[hta]specx> I am not that important, you know. 07:51:11 <dihedral> perhaps i should rename the list to VSN (very silent nicks) 07:51:49 <dihedral> [hta]specx, bother planetmaker with openttdcoop nml stuff - or any of the other ops in #openttdcoop 07:51:57 <dihedral> i am sure they have some vital information for you ;-) 07:52:15 <[hta]specx> whugh 07:52:16 <Eddi|zuHause> "Noise Damper List"? 07:52:21 <[hta]specx> sorry 07:52:36 <[hta]specx> somehow I thought planetmaker==dihedral 07:52:54 <dihedral> WHAT?? 07:53:04 <[hta]specx> must be the one beer i just finished 07:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "these germans all look alike to me" :p 07:53:21 <dihedral> :-D 07:53:23 <dihedral> lol 07:54:10 <planetmaker> [hta]specx: dihedral is right though: create an account at the devzone and make a "bug" report with a patch which contains your changes 07:54:15 <[hta]specx> lthough i doubt 0,001% alcohol contents in my blood are responsible for that, so it must be my grey cells being wired up to the wrong interface 07:55:07 <[hta]specx> along with your [dihedral] irresistable urge to answer my cryptic message 07:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you heavily underestimate the alcohol content, or heavily overestimate your own weight... 07:56:22 <Rubidium> doesn't alcohol impair judgement? 07:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess so ;) 07:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, an average adult with an average beer results in around 0,03% to 0,05% blood alcohol 07:57:40 <dihedral> try to stretch out your arm, and hit the 'a' key on your keyboard 07:58:06 <planetmaker> [hta]specx: "bug" reports can also be "feature requests" or "patches". So it is not only bugs ;-) 07:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that is about a factor of 30-50 higher than your estimate 07:58:14 <[hta]specx> *when the beverage is processed completely by the stomach 07:58:29 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, %?? 07:58:37 <[hta]specx> bugs eveolved since 1960 i guess 07:58:49 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: there's no o/oo sign on the keyboard 07:59:26 <[hta]specx> that's why you add another zero after the comma 07:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> 0,3o/oo = 0,03% 07:59:41 <[hta]specx> in non US countries, that is. 08:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but the other question is: why the hell do you have had one beer at 10AM? 08:01:58 <planetmaker> the blood level rose too much 08:02:01 <[hta]specx> -8 GMT 08:02:02 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, breakfast? cornflakes? :-P 08:03:17 <dihedral> [hta]specx, you on holiday? 08:03:28 <[hta]specx> workiday 08:06:25 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:43 <[hta]specx> hah! a magic new issue button appeared 08:12:29 <[hta]specx> it now describes it as a doodle 08:13:14 <[hta]specx> I wonder if http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/939/compileprocess.png is correct though. 08:17:17 <planetmaker> looks fine 08:17:40 <planetmaker> but there are more than one language file :-) 08:17:44 <planetmaker> possible 08:18:04 <planetmaker> I'd just call them language files 08:18:39 <[hta]specx> ttdpatch is missing, and i might call 'em langdefinition file 08:19:11 <planetmaker> eh? How is ttdp missing? 08:19:34 <planetmaker> besides: are you able to create a real patch from your changes? 08:19:38 <[hta]specx> its only showing ottd logo ;) 08:19:48 <planetmaker> that'd be more convenient to merge 08:20:02 <planetmaker> as it makes your changes MUCH more visible 08:20:11 <[hta]specx> I know svn. hq/git/cvs is not yet in my skillset 08:20:58 <[hta]specx> mainly because I havent found any fancyspency ui to work with it 08:20:59 <planetmaker> hg diff > blubber.diff 08:21:19 <[hta]specx> hg diff > blubber.diff > does not compute? 08:21:54 *** Biolunar|off [Mahdi@blfd-4db1a8ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:54 *** Biolunar|off [Mahdi@blfd-4db1a8ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 08:21:58 *** Biolunar|off [Mahdi@blfd-4db1a8ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:22:11 *** Biolunar|off [Mahdi@blfd-4db1a8ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 08:22:15 <planetmaker> it was a verbatim command I gave 08:22:39 <planetmaker> with not many spare letters. and all spare letters were either space or found in the filename of "blubber.diff" 08:22:42 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db1a8ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:04 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:20 <[hta]specx> I can't follow you 08:23:48 <planetmaker> I gave you my way to create a patch file named "blubber.diff" 08:24:06 <[hta]specx> presumably using hg 08:24:21 <planetmaker> yes 08:24:48 <planetmaker> well. if you don't have that, you can still do that: 08:25:08 <planetmaker> take the original html file you started off with, take your current html file and do 08:25:21 <planetmaker> diff original.html modified.html > blubber.diff 08:25:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.196.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "diff -u" usually 08:26:06 <[hta]specx> I'll try some clickyclicky with my svn ui 08:26:28 <[hta]specx> as commandline stuff depresses me severely (and this is serious) 08:26:56 <planetmaker> hm. svn won't help you ;-) - there's no subversion repository for NML 08:27:13 <planetmaker> you'll need tortoiseHG for that, not tortoiseSVN 08:27:41 <[hta]specx> .diff hg != .diff svn? 08:30:26 <[hta]specx> that's ironic. tortoisehg gives me two options: reboot machine or close all apps im running.... 08:31:05 <[hta]specx> Ill add the diff later, cant close some apps here atm. 08:32:14 <planetmaker> [hta]specx: if you don't have a repository the diff will work anyway... but you cannot use svn commands, of course w/o a svn repository 08:33:09 <[hta]specx> so a svn diff is created using same specs as hg diffs? 08:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause> depends what you call "specs" 08:38:28 <[hta]specx> done fighting with versioning tools for today. Alcohol (even 0,003%) + fatigue == low greymass clock frequency. 08:40:22 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-108-221.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-254-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:42:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:51:20 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:53:22 <planetmaker> [hta]specx, the result will look somewhat the same and is nearly interchangeable. But the way to obtain it depends of course on what you got in the first place 08:53:36 <planetmaker> like... for a my car I need another key than for yours. 08:56:22 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:44 <planetmaker> [hta]specx, what version of NML did you base your modifications on? 09:04:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what's GMT-9 anyway? alaska?? 09:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i know vancouver is GMT-8, it doesn't get much more westwards than that... 09:13:28 <TomyLobo> hawaii? 09:13:54 <TomyLobo> that's -12 09:13:59 <TomyLobo> CET-12 ^^ 09:14:08 <TomyLobo> GMT-10 09:14:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 09:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you make no sense... 09:14:48 <TomyLobo> you said it doesn't get much more westwards. i told you about a place further west 09:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but CET-12 and GMT-10 are not the same thing... 09:15:51 <Rubidium> Hawaii? 09:15:59 <Rubidium> but then with DST 09:16:08 <TomyLobo> Eddi|zuHause of course they are 09:16:26 <TomyLobo> well CEST or whatever we have atm 09:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause> TomyLobo: that's something entirely different 09:17:01 <TomyLobo> no, it's something entirely silly 09:17:27 <Rubidium> s/Hawaii/Aleutian Islands 09:20:33 <TomyLobo> which is funny, cause some of them are even beyond the +/-180° meridian 09:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the date border is not always on the 180 meridian 09:21:49 <TomyLobo> yep 09:21:59 <TomyLobo> dateline, btw 09:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> like time borders are not always on a meridian either 09:23:39 <TomyLobo> yup 09:24:18 <TomyLobo> what i actually meant is that they should be in +12/-12/-11 according to their position, not -10 09:25:26 <TomyLobo> hah, there's a place with GMT+14 09:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there is. 09:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and i believe -13 as well 09:26:38 <Rubidium> meaning you can skip a complete day 09:26:46 <TomyLobo> nothing i can find at least 09:26:53 <Rubidium> (or do a day twice) 09:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in egypt they stopped DST during ramadan 09:28:52 <planetmaker> that sounds even more weired 09:39:01 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:41:37 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 09:43:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:46:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 09:49:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:51:23 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "Pirates capture ship - engine shut down by the crew before hitting panic room - pirates call for 'tech support' who laughs at them and sends the US marines" -- haha :) 09:54:20 <TrueBrain> lol @ Eddi|zuHause :D 09:54:33 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 09:56:41 <dihedral> :-D 10:00:08 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:35 <dihedral> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11250785 10:00:54 <dihedral> The pirates then phoned the shipping company in Hamburg to ask where the crew were hidden. 10:00:54 <dihedral> "They were told the crew was on holiday," 10:00:56 <dihedral> :-D 10:11:06 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 10:13:21 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 10:17:14 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:18:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:25:42 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 10:44:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.175.38] has joined #openttd 10:46:47 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:49:11 <dihedral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ljFfL-mL70 <- Darth Vader on TomTom :-D 10:58:42 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:05 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:03:36 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:17:18 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:19:07 <VVG> hello 11:22:38 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:54 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:02 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:51:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:50cf:226e:cbf2:4ef7] has joined #openttd 11:51:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:57:52 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d494.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:24 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:20:53 * peter1138 grumbles at zlib polluting valgrind... 12:24:54 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:39 <dihedral> orudge, ping 12:34:02 * Rubidium smells and "ask to ask" 12:34:18 <orudge> dihedral: hi 12:43:40 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 12:50:52 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.32.239] has joined #openttd 12:56:38 <planetmaker> hehe. That smell definitely is in the air 12:57:14 <__ln__> ping to ping would be even worse 12:58:07 <Rubidium> now the question is whether they continued via PMs, but even then it's silly to ask here first 12:59:57 <dihedral> it's safer to check, as if someone aint there, chances that pm's could get lost do exist 13:01:40 * Rubidium never had problems with that 13:02:06 <Rubidium> maybe the people I talk to don't use a bouncer or use a properly configured one that retains such PMs 13:02:34 <dihedral> :-P 13:03:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:03:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i know what's wrong: he didn't say "pong" 13:05:28 <Belugas> hello 13:05:44 <Belugas> IT'S FRIDAY!!!! 13:05:50 * Belugas dances 13:06:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ever wondered why "freeday" isn't actually "free"? 13:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> [joke might work a little bit better in german] 13:07:11 <Belugas> indeed :) 13:07:12 <SmatZ> hehe 13:07:27 <Belugas> note that on a kitchen, it would have a very different meaning... 13:07:31 <Belugas> fry day 13:07:33 <Belugas> buwhahaha 13:07:56 <SmatZ> :) 13:14:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 13:16:39 <planetmaker> :-) 13:17:05 <planetmaker> grrr... I hate the travel agency I have to use :S 13:17:28 <planetmaker> giving them a call like "hey, I'd like to book...". Oh you need to call our business department. Oh right... 13:17:31 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:17:46 <planetmaker> calling the business department: "oh, you have to use the special form. We don't do that via phone.." 13:17:49 <planetmaker> wth?! 13:18:28 <Noldo> old school 13:18:47 <planetmaker> they can do that as they know that I HAVE to use them. :-( 13:19:01 <Noldo> why is that? 13:19:04 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 13:19:10 <norbert79> good day guys 13:19:23 <planetmaker> we're ordered by the chancelor of the university to do so 13:19:25 <norbert79> Been a week since I was last here :) Time flies fast 13:19:55 <planetmaker> presumably saving an occasional euro on some travels 13:20:00 <robotboy> hello 13:20:05 <Noldo> planetmaker: who did they bribe? 13:20:16 <planetmaker> probably the chancelor of the university... 13:20:49 <planetmaker> he's a person I'd rather see end as rocket fuel anyway 13:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you'll eventually need a rocket to go to the planet you're making... 13:21:35 <planetmaker> exactly 13:21:39 <norbert79> Guys, I have a question: is it somehow possible to program a GRF file so it places a new sprite over the already built houses? Like in Hungary we still have many condos/blockhouses, but with the new goverment program these are getting renewed. This would mean, that no new blockhouses would be built from one type after 1990 for example, but they would change around 2008 to their new forms. One example of this renewal process: http://ing 13:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you need to file a form at the travel agency for that as well :p 13:22:12 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adc9b64.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:22:24 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, we have in our form the option [ ] self-piloted plane 13:22:29 <Rubidium> planetmaker: just fill in the form, copy it a million times and send it to everyone :) 13:23:01 <Rubidium> oh sorry, I thought you meant that I should send it the *the* chancelor 13:24:08 <planetmaker> He'll eventually have to sign my permission to travel... Prague is abroad... 13:24:28 <planetmaker> norbert79, yes, it's possible 13:24:44 <norbert79> planetmaker: It is?? Cool! How? 13:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you're travelling in 4th dimension, then you find a path to prague that does not leave the country :p 13:24:53 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:17 <planetmaker> norbert79, every house grf does something like that with its houses. 13:25:36 <planetmaker> You need to read up on newgrf programming. It's not a 2-sentence thing which will teach you 13:25:52 <glx> callbacks 13:26:04 <planetmaker> it also requires a little bit more than beginner's knowledge to newgrf programming 13:26:27 <norbert79> planetmaker: Yes, but the process is normally, that the type gets selected, animation to the stages starts, it ends with the finished house. But these houses won't be built after 1990, but if any of those would still exist till 2008, it should have it's new texture in two stages from 2008. Still possible? 13:26:46 <planetmaker> yes 13:26:49 <norbert79> planetmaker: It's not a problem if this would take a while, I am just curious if it's possible 13:26:53 <Rubidium> it's only 59 euros from Braunschweig to Praha :) 13:26:55 <norbert79> planetmaker: Thank you, nice 13:27:00 <Rubidium> in a mere 6:28 13:27:06 <planetmaker> Rubidium, with the super saver tickets, yes 13:27:25 <planetmaker> I guess... that then is again too daring ;-) 13:27:26 <Rubidium> well, I can book a ticket for next monday 13:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> probably the bureaucracy forbids you to take those :p 13:27:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I'll be there around end of month 13:27:47 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes and no 13:28:05 <planetmaker> I can get away with it when I can proove that I save money 13:28:10 <planetmaker> -o 13:28:36 <Rubidium> Monday 27th, "a whopping" 39 euros 13:28:46 <planetmaker> I'll travel Sunday 26th 13:29:00 <Rubidium> 12:59 dep. 39,00 13:29:06 <planetmaker> yep 13:29:09 <planetmaker> like that 13:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause> travelling fridays and sundays is probably more expensive 13:29:28 <planetmaker> I don't think so 13:29:33 <planetmaker> not yet ;-) 13:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> at least you should really make a seat reservation 13:29:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: if you want to be in Praha before dinner, yes... otherwise nope 13:35:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20780 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix (r20772): group gui only worked properly for the first company 13:37:07 <planetmaker> he 13:44:11 *** Joni_ is now known as Joni- 13:50:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20781 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix (r20780): FinishInitNested reset this->owner, so set it afterwards 13:55:52 <SmatZ> planetmaker: do you think you will have free time during the week? 13:56:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 13:57:40 <planetmaker> certainly some. 13:57:54 <planetmaker> It's a conference after all :-P 13:57:55 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:00:10 <planetmaker> anything special going on during that time? 14:00:27 <planetmaker> or do you know a few good pubs? :-) 14:01:00 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@105.145.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 14:01:54 <planetmaker> I definitely won't have time on Tuesday morning, but I didn't check the rest of the programme so far in detail 14:02:24 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:29 <Rubidium> planetmaker: Guns N Roses? 14:03:10 <planetmaker> are they? 14:03:30 <Rubidium> http://www.prfire.co.uk/press-release/directrooms.com-guns-n-roses-play-live-in-prague-on-27-september-2010-22794.html 14:04:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:04:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:19 <planetmaker> hmm... :-) 14:05:47 <planetmaker> only backdraw: I'll be on-stage the next morning 14:06:23 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:45 <planetmaker> which means I usually would want to rehearse my talk... 14:06:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:09:55 <Rubidium> do it on the melodies of guns n roses? 14:10:59 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:12:58 <planetmaker> :-D 14:13:27 <planetmaker> hm... one of my first CDs is from them... 14:14:08 <Rubidium> 195m36.774s <- it only took that long to compile OpenTTD 14:14:16 <planetmaker> :-O 14:14:24 <planetmaker> 3h:15? that's a bit 14:14:33 <planetmaker> You should compare that to native compile ;-) 14:14:44 <planetmaker> Presumably it'd be _slightly_ faster ;-) 14:15:27 <Rubidium> yup, 4m47 including fetching dependencies, installing them and removing them again 14:17:47 <Lakie> How were you compiling them? 14:18:49 <Lakie> Also, would anyone mind exlpaining how I'd use industry var67 in nfo code, I have no experience with "action2advanced" 14:19:52 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:11 <Rubidium> Lakie: using Debian installed on a s390 emulator 14:21:24 <Rubidium> Lakie: I've got no real clue about action2 advanced either :( 14:21:30 <ABCRic> 195min O.O 14:21:42 <Rubidium> and it seems to be capable of running an dedicated OpenTTD server just fine 14:21:50 <Lakie> Hehe 14:21:56 <Rubidium> okay, the game has a whopping 2 trains and 3 stations, but still 14:22:28 <norbert79> Rubidium: Hold down mr Professor... Did I see S390? You are my man! :))) 14:22:58 * norbert79 used to start as an S390 admin, yet still in contact with zVM 14:23:10 <ABCRic> how long do the nightlies take to compile? 14:23:26 <ABCRic> on whatever machine compiles them? 14:23:51 <Rubidium> roughly 7-9 minutes each 14:24:10 <Rubidium> including the booting of an operating system for each 14:24:19 <norbert79> IPL-ing ;-) 14:24:42 <norbert79> Rubidium: What OS do you run Hercules from? 14:24:58 <norbert79> Rubidium: And how did you get the DASD-s for it? :D 14:24:58 <Rubidium> on 2.13 GHz Quad core Xeon, with only one core use per compile 14:25:11 <ABCRic> mine takes 4-6 minutes, not counting the time my Vista takes to boot... 14:25:18 <Rubidium> norbert79: http://josefsipek.net/docs/s390-linux/hercules-s390.html 14:26:06 <norbert79> Rubidium: Ah, but from where di you get the DASD's from? 14:26:11 <Rubidium> oh, I think I can use some 8 times more CPU for OpenTTD 14:26:19 <ABCRic> I mean, the problem isn't the boot time, it's the "wake up" time: after desktop shows up, must wait 2-3 minutes for stuff to run at normal speed 14:26:38 <Rubidium> norbert79: "thin air" 14:29:55 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:44 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:44 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:31:44 *** Joni- [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:19 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:50:06 *** John_Paul_Mizzi [~chatzilla@92.251.25.68] has joined #openttd 14:51:17 <norbert79> Bye everyone 14:51:18 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 14:51:38 *** John_Paul_Mizzi is now known as Acropolips 14:52:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:23 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:49 *** davis1 [~b@p5B28BC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:01 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:11 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@105.145.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Sometimes I wonder why that frisbee is getting bigger, and suddenly, it hits me.] 15:19:55 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:06 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db1a8ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 15:32:42 * Lakie gives up on trying to understand action2adv and just hacks the memory at run time to simulate the correct input data instead 15:42:58 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:45:52 <davis1> that's the way lakie ;p 15:53:01 <Lakie> Well, on the bright side the code should work now, even if I can't rwite a grf to properly test it. :( 15:59:22 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:01:27 <davis1> there's always some kind of downside haha , at least it works :) 16:04:40 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-254-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:09 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-115-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:14:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:20 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:00 <Lakie> OK, after looking through firs' code I understand vaguely how action2adv works. 16:27:33 <peter1138> Is that old stuff? 16:27:50 <Lakie> action2adv? 16:27:55 <Lakie> Should be fairly old. 16:27:55 <peter1138> Yeah... 16:28:22 <Lakie> pre TTDPatch r1300... 16:28:49 <Lakie> Rubidium: I've been pondering, currently I keep 'hacking' cb157 to do other checks as it has the tile location. And such am wondering if maybe we should extend it to allow a textid return for the error message? 16:30:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:56 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:44 <andythenorth> Lakie: action adv is really fun :) 16:38:50 <andythenorth> action 2 /s 16:39:04 <Lakie> Its quite um, unique 16:39:17 <andythenorth> it's elegant 16:39:22 <andythenorth> fragile, but elegant 16:39:29 <Lakie> Heh 16:40:20 <Lakie> I think I understand how it works now though, (though not why you do var1A and latter speific the 1a again) 16:41:33 <Acropolips> Can someone help me please? 16:41:35 <Lakie> Seems to follow the pattern of <oper> <var1> <var adjust> <mask / var2> 16:41:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:42:11 <Wolf01> hello 16:43:40 <davis1> hi 16:45:23 <Rubidium> Lakie: good question; maybe discuss it in the newobjects specs thread? 16:45:26 <Lakie> Ah I see, thats why 1A is used again, to provide -1 you can mask to the value you want. 16:45:40 <Lakie> Yeah, I was thinking about that. 16:46:11 <Rubidium> although one would think that you'd have to do the same for stations as well (for consistency's sake) 16:47:05 <Lakie> um... perhaps. There already some subtle differeneces in how they operate, so might be better to split it off, I'm not sure 16:47:29 <Rubidium> that's fine by me as well 16:47:30 <planetmaker> [18:41] <Acropolips> Can someone help me please? <-- first we need to help you obviously with asking a question in the first place 16:48:30 <davis1> gotta agree with pm here 16:49:42 <Rubidium> if you don't know what the question is, then obvious the right answer must be 101010b 16:49:51 <davis1> 42 16:49:55 <planetmaker> :-) 16:50:15 <planetmaker> bad part: it takes infinitely long to formulate the question. 16:50:19 <planetmaker> And even then it fails 16:52:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7333.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:16 <planetmaker> quak :-) 16:53:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:54:27 <planetmaker> zero-ink? 16:56:00 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590f7333.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes, highways are never the answer to a question :) 16:58:34 <Rubidium> and moi frosch & Albert 16:58:43 <planetmaker> I'd not say 'never', but... :-) 16:58:43 <frosch> evening :) 16:59:24 *** Acropolips [~chatzilla@92.251.25.68] has left #openttd [] 16:59:39 <planetmaker> hm, no question then 17:01:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7333.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:14 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-188-150.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:48 <Alberth> good evening 17:15:45 <davis1> http://www.27bslash6.com/AGL.html (: 17:16:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.16] has joined #openttd 17:27:09 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:28:56 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 17:30:26 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:31:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:32:21 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:47 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 17:42:46 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20782 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by Yexo 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 17:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: galician - 64 changes by Condex 17:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:48:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 17:55:31 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:59 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:41 *** Sacro_ [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:01:56 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.32.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:41 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:35 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:07:39 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.54.222] has joined #openttd 18:17:20 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:51 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 18:27:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:28 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@193.78.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:19:04 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host28-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:19:04 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest345 19:19:04 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 19:19:05 *** Guest345 [~wolf01@host220-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:50 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:37:11 <ABCRic> meh. I can't get my GRFMaker-made Industry to actually accept cargo :( 19:37:30 <planetmaker> use NML or direct nfo ;-) 19:37:52 <planetmaker> (I know, sorry, was not constructive) 19:39:51 <ABCRic> If only I *knew* how to write NewGRFs... 19:40:49 <planetmaker> I wasn't born with that knowledge either ;-) 19:41:19 <ABCRic> the thing is, the industry accepts the cargo, but the industry tiles don't 19:41:51 <ABCRic> So I better find me a NewGRF NFO guide... 19:43:22 <planetmaker> you have to define it for both 19:44:03 <ABCRic> But how can I do that in GRFMaker? 19:45:15 <ABCRic> Wait, I think I found out. 19:47:17 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.111] has joined #openttd 19:47:23 <azaghal> Howdy 19:48:02 <azaghal> Currently the dedicated server seems to ignore the save_on_exit option. Is this on purpose? 19:50:34 <andythenorth> ABCRic: I was born with the knowledge to write NewGRFS 19:50:43 <andythenorth> it was a prodigious talent to have in 1986 19:50:48 <andythenorth> or even 197 19:50:49 <andythenorth> 8 19:51:01 <andythenorth> but it was not very useful in 1978 :P 19:51:15 <ABCRic> of course it was! 19:51:20 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:52:08 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:24 <Rubidium> azaghal: don't see a reason why dedicated servers would behave differently (if you shut them down with "quit") 19:53:31 <azaghal> Rubidium: Ok, for example - if I kill a running OpenTTD GUI process, it does an autosave (exit.sav). If I do the same with dedicated server, it ignores it. 19:53:55 <azaghal> Rubidium: Now, no idea if this is related to the fact the option falls within GUI options, so it's ignored in dedicated server? 19:54:37 <Rubidium> azaghal: the code does suggest both should behave the same, *assuming* you exit with "quit" (not with CTRL+C) 19:55:21 <azaghal> Rubidium: Ctrl-C makes it autosave as well (the graphical interface). 19:55:28 <azaghal> Dedicated doesn't. 19:55:36 <azaghal> This is with 1.0.3 19:55:36 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:21 <andythenorth> good night 19:56:33 <Rubidium> it works for me for the dedicated server 19:56:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:56:47 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:57:01 <Rubidium> in both trunk as well as 1.0.4-RC1 19:57:03 <azaghal> Rubidium: You run the dedicated server, then do a pkill openttd (or by pid), and it autosaves? 19:57:19 <Rubidium> and 1.0.3 as well 19:57:37 <azaghal> Hm... Doesn't work like that here :/ 19:57:55 <Rubidium> no, as I've said multiple times is ``with "quit"'' 19:58:02 <azaghal> Ah, ok. 19:58:16 <azaghal> The thing is that GUI client autosaves even with Ctrl+C 19:58:34 <azaghal> (or kill/pkill) 19:58:41 <planetmaker> does it? 19:58:45 <azaghal> Yep 19:58:55 <Rubidium> then sdl or allegro is doing something funny 19:59:27 <azaghal> I actually like the fact it's auto-saving (trying to put down a small management script for OpenTTD) 19:59:28 <Ammler> hmm, with qujt, you get a save "exit.sav"? 19:59:34 <azaghal> Ammler: Yes 19:59:43 <Ammler> where is that? 19:59:44 <azaghal> That's on Gentoo, I could give a go on Sidux too. 19:59:45 <Rubidium> hmm... oh, it just quits without asking whether you want to exit if you've got autosave_on_exit disabled 19:59:46 <azaghal> *it a 19:59:54 <Rubidium> that's "nasty" 20:00:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:00:17 <azaghal> autosave_on_exit is enabled, though 20:00:52 <Rubidium> yeah, point is sdl/allegro is catching the ctrl+c and sending a "normal" "user has pressed the exit button" event 20:01:04 <azaghal> Ah 20:01:25 <azaghal> Gotcha 20:02:09 <azaghal> Was it intentional not to autosave on SIGTERM? 20:03:56 <Rubidium> incoming answer 20:04:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20783 /trunk/src/video/dedicated_v.cpp: -Change/Fix: do autosave-on-exit as well when using kill/CTRL-C to terminate a dedicated OpenTTD 20:04:17 <azaghal> lol 20:04:25 <azaghal> Rubidium: Thanks :) 20:05:05 <azaghal> Btw, anything easy-to-use for communicating with dedicated servers from command-line? I've seen the Python library - is it friendly API? 20:08:04 <Rubidium> if it's the library I think you're talking about, then it's probably not a very stable thing; it uses the same protocol as normal clients which does some tests to check whether the client and server's version match. 20:08:06 <GT> I'm converting the blend algorithm of the 32bpp-ez patch to use ints again iso floats (Szvengar introduced the floats), cause I think it would be faster. But I realized I learned to program in the stone age, where floating point ops where very expensive. Does anyone know whether there's still a large speed difference on modern processors 20:09:15 <Rubidium> and as such it requires downloading the whole map and following up on sync packets; basically it's a waste of good resources 20:10:09 <Rubidium> besides that there's ap+ which wraps itself around OpenTTD itself; it communicates with OpenTTD using (basically) stdout and stdin. You can then communicate with that bot via IRC 20:10:32 <GT> *ops were 20:11:45 <azaghal> Rubidium: Hm... I'm looking more for a local-only solution (without using IRC). 20:11:58 <Rubidium> running it within screen? 20:12:12 <Rubidium> then you've got direct contact with it 20:12:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:42 <azaghal> Rubidium: It just accepts commands? 20:12:59 <Rubidium> the same as the in-game console 20:13:47 <azaghal> I need to set all drivers to null then, right? 20:14:01 <Rubidium> -D does that automatically 20:14:45 <azaghal> Ah... 20:14:59 <azaghal> I didn't know that it's a console ;) 20:15:16 <azaghal> Nice, some piping can be done to send commands with it. 20:18:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:20:01 <Rubidium> GT: that's very hard to say; it depends highly on CPU, compiler, number of variables, dependency of variables, and many other factors 20:20:18 <azaghal> Rubidium: Thanks, you have no idea how much you helped :) 20:21:15 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590f7333.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:16 <Rubidium> GT: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/click-crash-course-modern-hardware might be interesting, although it's more about memory access than integer vs floating point, but it should give you an idea how increadibly complex those pieces of silicon are and that without lots of testing you can't say much about it 20:22:47 <Rubidium> azaghal: more than the last person sending a mail to info@openttd.org :) 20:22:59 <azaghal> Heheh 20:25:18 <Rubidium> and for history's sake: the issue was introduced between 0.3.4 and 0.3.5 20:25:52 <Rubidium> so "only" 6 years before someone noticed it 20:26:23 <azaghal> Heheh :) 20:26:34 <azaghal> It happens 20:26:40 <azaghal> At least it's not an openssl bug ;) 20:27:42 <Rubidium> but... this is (effectively) a data-loss bug 20:28:45 <azaghal> True that 20:29:03 <azaghal> Funny how the bug gets discovered, though ;) 20:29:47 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.54.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:28 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@193.78.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:08 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@210.132.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 21:06:23 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has joined #openttd 21:09:21 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:24 <Wolf01> 'night 21:11:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host28-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:13:19 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:25 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:24 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:21:31 *** ctibor|spi [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 21:21:31 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:36 <Belugas> night all good weekend all see you soon and hopefully 21:28:26 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:26 <GT> Rubidium: thnaks for the link, I just listened to that presentation, and though I knew most of the subparts of those optimisations, this guy manages to make a coherent story out of it, really interesting. Bottom line, as always, start gprof 21:35:07 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-21f1e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:44:23 <GT> Hi Zuu, still busy with clueless? 21:51:05 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 21:55:29 <Zuu> Hi GT 21:55:56 <GT> aka GeekToo, but you probably knew 21:56:08 <Zuu> Yea GeekToo I knew :-) 21:57:09 <Zuu> Not really, I've not been working activly on it the last 2-3 months. Have finalized my master thesis and now I just started to work with traffic analysis for living. 21:57:38 <GT> traffic analysis, does sound interesting, actually 21:57:54 <Rubidium> sounds useful for an AI :) 21:58:00 <GT> indeed 21:58:15 <GT> and also for Leenderheide 21:58:29 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:58:32 <GT> though that may be my local problem 21:58:40 <Zuu> :-) 21:59:51 <GT> so, what is it about, making models for traffic flows and optimize them? 22:00:29 <Zuu> That's one possible thing we could do. 22:00:59 <Zuu> There is models for everything from a single intersection to a whole country. 22:01:46 <Zuu> The whole Sweden-model is of course not really that detailed. Thankfully. 22:02:12 <GT> well, there's a lot to optimize I think, start with replacing every intersection with a turbo-roundabout 22:02:39 <Rubidium> GT: nah, that's not effective 22:02:48 <GT> It is. 22:02:51 <Zuu> We do not have the turbo here, but I've read about it when I made my master thesis. 22:04:23 <Rubidium> http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=&sll=51.983241,4.666572&sspn=0.025189,0.024676&ie=UTF8&ll=52.063665,4.37537&spn=0.012572,0.012338&z=16 <- way more effective :) 22:04:24 <GT> Basically, it is a double roundabout, where you have to choose when entering for going straight/ right, or straight/ left 22:04:36 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:05:42 <GT> Rubidium: very likely for highway crossings, but take too much space for local intersections 22:07:08 <Rubidium> but a turbo-roundabout can deadlock 22:07:14 <GT> The default solution now is to have traffic lights, which is the worst of all, humans are way more effective to estimate whether entering an roundabout is possible 22:07:18 <Rubidium> and has merge-before-split 22:07:40 <GT> Im sure they read the openttdcoop manuals 22:09:02 <GT> in my perception, turbo has split before merge. 22:09:53 <GT> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turborotonde 22:10:07 <GT> the split is already made before the roundabout 22:11:48 <GT> and deadlocks are not likely, since traffic on the roundabout has prio over traffic entering it. 22:11:51 <Rubidium> if you're going to the left you'll still be blocking (at least) two others, although you're reducing it by one from a normal roundabout 22:14:04 <GT> true, it's not ideal, but given the space, and compared to normal traffic lights and normal roundabouts, it's way better. I'm not sure a better solution in the limited space is possible, without having height differences 22:14:27 <GT> like viaducts etc, which do cost a lot more 22:16:57 <Rubidium> GT: TTD style junctions work best :) 22:17:29 <GT> Of course, no need to state the obvious 22:21:23 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:23:22 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-146-122.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 22:34:34 <ccfreak2k> There should be real-life injectors. 22:34:46 <ccfreak2k> On red, stay right and maintain minimum speed of 60 mph. 22:34:51 <ccfreak2k> On green gogogo! 22:37:47 <Zuu> Rubidium: sure it has higher capacity, but wastes a lot of land. Do we really want to get to american land use figures? 22:38:01 <Zuu> Eg. 50% roads 22:38:47 <ABCRic> good night y'all, and try not to crash at all those intersections 22:38:55 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@210.132.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Sometimes I wonder why that frisbee is getting bigger, and suddenly, it hits me.] 22:39:57 <Rubidium> Zuu: TTD style intersections don't use much land; they don't need to, just because RVs can drive through eachother when they're crossing paths 22:40:38 <Rubidium> and in traffic jams they can drive through eachother as well 22:40:48 <Rubidium> that's definitely better than waiting 9 days :) 22:41:19 <Zuu> waiting 9 days? 22:42:06 <Rubidium> that 9 day traffic jam in China not long ago? 22:46:07 *** Brianett1 [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:46:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:58 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:20 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:58:01 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:57 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:18 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 23:12:27 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:38 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-21f1e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:42:55 <Mazur> That's nothing, in Coop we achieve much longer trafffic jams without even trying. 23:43:32 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:43:58 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:13 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:58:38 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.175.38] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3]