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00:11:57 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:51 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:55 <Samu> hey 00:17:08 <Samu> there are some exceptions, how do I deal with this? 00:17:11 <Samu> these 00:17:17 <Samu> for example 00:17:23 <Samu> passenger 00:17:40 <Samu> when awarded the subsidy 00:17:52 <Samu> passenger needs to be plural 00:18:14 <Samu> no gender, just plural 00:18:52 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:19:10 <Samu> "Ligação de passageiros" 00:19:31 <__ln___> looks masculine plural to me 00:19:49 <Samu> yes but 00:20:00 <Samu> ligação dos passageiros sounds bad 00:20:12 <Samu> ligação de passageiros sounds correct 00:21:04 <glx> {ORANGE}{STRING} from {STRING} to {STRING}{YELLOW} (by {DATE_SHORT}) <-- for this one ? 00:21:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:21:32 <glx> well STR_SUBSIDIES_OFFERED_FROM_TO 00:21:35 <Samu> hmm that's the subsidy list 00:21:49 <Samu> it's in plural already 00:22:22 <glx> STR_SUBSIDIES_SUBSIDISED_FROM_TO <-- this one then 00:23:52 <Samu> yes that one 00:24:03 <Samu> the current translation is wrong 00:24:19 <Samu> Passageiro ligação makes no sense 00:24:36 <glx> it uses cargo name 00:26:19 <Samu> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/pt_PT/STR_NEWS_SERVICE_SUBSIDY_AWARDED_HALF 00:26:24 <Samu> this is what I mean, sorry 00:28:02 <Samu> Ligação de [type of cargo name] 00:28:07 <Samu> is it type of cargo name or just cargo name? 00:29:09 <glx> it uses STR_CARGO_SINGULAR_PASSENGER 00:30:11 <Samu> must be plural, and i think it's the only exception 00:30:18 <glx> use gender then 00:31:28 <Samu> nope, I'm mistaken 00:31:31 <Samu> fizzy drinks 00:32:21 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-153.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:00 <Samu> my head doesn't work 00:42:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AF8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:10 <Samu> I'm way too confused, I was a brilliant student, and now this... 00:43:18 <Samu> can't think out of it 00:45:37 <glx> you can also adapt the translation, the important is the meaning, not the words 00:50:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-174-72.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 00:56:53 <Samu> where else do STR_CARGO_SINGULAR show up 00:58:27 <Samu> trying to figure out if I put passenger as plural in there 00:59:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-15-231.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:52 <glx> all STR_NEWS_SERVICE_SUBSIDY_AWARDED_XXXX and STR_NEWS_SERVICE_SUBSIDY_OFFERED 01:00:49 <Samu> then the fix is rather easy 01:06:33 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:06:41 <supermop> hello 01:06:43 <Samu> what is the string used for cargo waiting in stations? 01:07:00 <Samu> hi 01:07:10 <supermop> hows it going? 01:07:27 <Samu> trying to translate the game :) 01:07:31 <Samu> not easy 01:07:59 <Samu> there was no genders, now there are, and fixing the whole thing is becoming much comlicated than I first anticipated 01:08:01 <supermop> to what language? 01:08:11 <Samu> portuguese 01:08:15 <supermop> ah 01:08:50 <supermop> i have a few friends that speak portugese, but they dont play ottd 01:09:22 <Samu> is there a way to run the game in string-code mode? lol 01:09:33 <Samu> that way I will understand where they will show up 01:09:36 <supermop> i would have no idea 01:10:33 <glx> I usually search in the source code for that 01:12:14 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i guess such a mode could easily be added to strgen 01:12:19 <glx> <Samu> what is the string used for cargo waiting in stations? <-- in station view ? 01:12:28 <Eddi|nichZuHause> like the one that adds "TODO" 01:12:50 <Eddi|nichZuHause> problem is that the string names are awfully long 01:14:31 <glx> Samu: STR_QUANTITY_XXXX 01:14:35 <Samu> station view 01:14:56 <Samu> cool, I guess I fixed the problem then 01:15:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:12 <Samu> the guy has everything correct apparently, except for passengers 01:15:22 <Samu> added an extra s 01:15:27 <glx> all {CARGO} use STR_QUANTITY_ indeed 01:16:26 <glx> btw strings identifier are usually easy to link with where they are used 01:16:47 <glx> (not true for all, but for most it's the case) 01:17:37 <glx> like typing STATION_VIEW in search box will give you strings displayed in station view 01:21:48 <Samu> now fixing subsidies news 01:21:54 <Samu> the phrase construction 01:23:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2A8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:30:10 <Samu> {BIGFONT}{BLACK}SubsÃdio de ligação concedido a {STRING}!{}{}{STRING} ligação de {STRING} para {STRING} pagará 50% extra durante o próximo ano! 01:30:24 <Samu> there are 4 {string}s here 01:31:33 <glx> yes 01:31:51 <glx> company name, cargo type, source, destination 01:32:54 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:20 <Samu> {BIGFONT}{BLACK}SubsÃdio de ligação concedido a {STRING}!{}{}Ligação de {STRING} de {STRING} para {STRING} pagará 50% extra durante o próximo ano! 01:35:24 <Samu> this sounds better 01:35:30 <Samu> but a small problem 01:35:50 <Samu> the second string has to be with the first character in lowercase 01:36:27 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f735d96.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:38:43 <glx> minor thing 01:39:40 <Samu> ligação means connection 01:39:47 <Samu> in english it says service 01:40:12 <Samu> Serviço de 01:40:13 <glx> in french I use Transport 01:40:42 <glx> well Le transport 01:41:01 <Samu> now I wonder 01:41:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:41:09 <Samu> who pays the subsidy? 01:41:29 <glx> the one that pay the service :) 01:42:04 <Samu> ok, then again, a word for word translation isn't the best 01:42:19 <glx> word for word is never good 01:42:35 <glx> you often need to adapt 01:42:57 <Samu> in english it says for example, coal service from A to B will pay 50% for the next year! 01:43:05 <Samu> who will pay in this case? 01:43:52 <Samu> this 'will pay' seems odd 01:44:00 <Samu> the service... will pay 01:44:35 <glx> just adapt so it says the player will get 50% more 01:44:38 <Samu> shouldn't it be 01:44:46 <Samu> the service... will be paid 01:45:11 <Samu> anyone speaks english native here? 01:45:25 <glx> it's from the original game IIRC 01:46:19 <Samu> well, I better edit this tomorrow 01:46:26 <Samu> made quite some changes today 01:46:35 <Samu> hope I didn't screw anything 01:47:58 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:16 <Samu> bye, cya 01:52:28 *** Samu [Samu@248.53.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 01:56:27 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:17 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:37 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has joined #openttd 02:05:04 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 02:15:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21309 /trunk/src/ (subsidy.cpp subsidy_gui.cpp): -Fix: second parameter of SetupSubsidyDecodeParam() is a bool, so use a bool when calling the function 02:25:02 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i'd transform it to passive... 02:27:29 <SmatZ> Eddi|nichZuHause: no longer home? over night? 02:39:13 <Eddi|nichZuHause> happens ;) 02:45:18 *** fjb is now known as Guest282 02:45:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF881.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:37 <fjb> But what are you doing on irc then? 02:51:20 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@212.23.105.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:13 *** Guest282 [~frank@p5DDFCB4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:25 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 03:37:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3437:a96d:ff78:6554] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:45:53 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:02:10 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8fa9c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:45 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@46.114.255.187] has joined #openttd 04:08:36 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 04:09:32 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 05:08:34 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:54:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77AAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:27:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:27:57 <andythenorth> morninks 06:29:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:13 <supermop> hi 06:37:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:38:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:42:10 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:44:44 <Terkhen> good morning 06:49:08 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i think i'm going crazy... 06:49:30 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i have a parser that parses only every second entry... 06:49:41 <Eddi|nichZuHause> and that has absolutely no reason at all... 07:07:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:08:39 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:18:52 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:18:52 *** green-devil [~greendevi@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 07:19:20 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b95c9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:07 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:28:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:44:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:45:47 * andythenorth ponders 07:46:22 * Rubidium stands back in case andy's head explodes 07:49:04 <andythenorth> adding smoke to HEQS vehicles is pretty cool 07:49:12 <andythenorth> but breaks compatibility with ottd releases 07:49:30 <Rubidium> action 7/9 07:49:33 <andythenorth> yup 07:49:46 <andythenorth> means I have to learn something new 07:49:51 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 07:49:51 <andythenorth> I thought I was too old for that :P 07:55:02 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 08:00:27 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:00:39 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:07:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21310 /trunk/src/string_func.h: -Fix [FS#4259]: apparantly even earlier FreeBSDs had strndup 08:16:57 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 08:17:29 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:30 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [] 08:21:42 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@46.114.255.187] has quit [] 08:22:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:18 <andythenorth> did I mention smoke for RVs is awesome? :D 08:25:41 <Rubidium> awesomely polluting 08:29:31 * Terkhen will blame andythenorth when global warming gets into OpenTTD 08:30:28 <andythenorth> what do you think shipping all that coal is doing? 08:33:01 <Terkhen> since I don't see any smoke coming out from the steel mill, I assume that it is not going into the atmosphere 08:49:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:09 *** Jolteon|BNC [~Leftie@109.73.163.17] has joined #openttd 09:04:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:05:27 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: Rawh, joern, Jolteon, Qantourisc 09:06:08 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2A8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:05 *** Netsplit over, joins: joern, Rawh, Qantourisc 09:27:09 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 09:47:44 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:54:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:21:19 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 10:31:57 <planetmaker> good morning 10:33:33 <V453000> hi :) 10:34:57 *** Thror [chatzilla@150.214.220.153] has joined #openttd 10:35:02 <Thror> hi 10:37:37 <Terkhen> goood morning planetmaker, V453000 and Thror 10:37:45 <V453000> :) hi 10:39:01 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f736d40.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:06 <fjb> Moin 10:56:36 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:04 <DayDreamer> hello PlanetMaker, V453000, Thor, Terkhen and fjb 11:10:37 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 11:24:25 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b796.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:28 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c6bd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:50:06 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 11:52:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has joined #openttd 12:06:41 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.31.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:56 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.28.100.43] has joined #openttd 12:22:45 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:26:19 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 12:46:06 <norbert79> Ehm, about this thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=51378 - is it really necessary allowing smoke for ships while travelling? I mean I have enver seen any good carrying ship making too much smoke during travel, but more like running out of the dock... 12:48:15 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-196.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 12:48:53 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:57 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:54:40 <andythenorth> norbert79: is it really necessary to make a game with small pixel vehicles running around? 12:54:57 <andythenorth> :P 12:54:59 <norbert79> andythenorth: I am talking about the smoke effect... :) 12:55:22 <norbert79> It's ok when the ship acelarets, but real ships also do not produce that much of smoke while the long distance travel 12:55:24 <Rubidium> norbert79: you can always disable the smoke effects 12:55:39 <norbert79> there must be some serious issues with the engine, if a ships produces this ammount of smoke 12:55:48 <norbert79> No, I am just voting of having the current way 12:56:06 <andythenorth> it's ok, so far no-one has voted to write the patch yet :P 12:56:06 <Rubidium> norbert79: nah, it's just 1965 technology 12:56:08 <norbert79> have some smoke at start of the ship, no or much less during travel 12:56:37 <norbert79> This looks like if the ship was hit by some kinda missle :) 12:57:05 <planetmaker> Complain to the newgrf authors ;-) 12:57:10 <andythenorth> ships burn heavy fuel oil, which is dirty 12:57:20 <andythenorth> shipping routes have major haze problems due to this 12:57:38 <Rubidium> norbert79: and ships don't run on petrol or diesel, but the garbage that remains from extracting petrol, diesel and such from oil 12:57:46 <norbert79> andythenorth, Rubidium: http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=hu&q=Goods+Ship&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=779 12:57:49 <planetmaker> (ok, you do). But I still think it's quite a good thing to add it 12:58:00 <norbert79> Show me this ammount of smoke here :) 12:58:24 <planetmaker> norbert79: all those show that there's considerable smoke 12:58:27 <norbert79> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4263/getfile/6910/ship_smoke.png now compare 12:58:29 <planetmaker> at least the first two I checked 12:58:56 <andythenorth> norbert79: that's steam engine smoke 12:58:59 <andythenorth> not diesel 12:59:02 <planetmaker> also the speed of vehicles is totally unrealistic. you should convince Belugas to make it more realistic ;-) 12:59:09 <andythenorth> those ships should be using diesel smoke ;) 12:59:13 <norbert79> andythenorth: Exactly 12:59:24 <andythenorth> but in the screenshot they don't, because I was testing 12:59:28 <norbert79> and besides, it really looks like here http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4263/getfile/6910/ship_smoke.png if the ship would be burning 12:59:58 <planetmaker> they're coming straight from the 38th degree North in Korea, probably 13:00:05 <norbert79> I knew it 13:00:05 <andythenorth> burning? 13:00:12 <norbert79> I knew someone would come up with that :D 13:00:17 <planetmaker> :-P 13:00:18 <norbert79> andythenorth: Yes, burning 13:00:27 <planetmaker> hey, I'm Korean by birth ;-) 13:00:30 <planetmaker> I care 13:00:35 <andythenorth> do steam trains look like they're burning? :P 13:00:48 <norbert79> andythenorth: No, but we are talking about ships :) 13:01:03 <norbert79> I think everyone does, noone really feels like suffering from a war, and it's effects 13:01:29 <norbert79> It was also pretty weird living through Desert Storm or the Serbian-Croation war, and that happened just in the neighbourhood 13:02:07 <andythenorth> norbert79: I think it kind of goes like this: "my newgrf, I choose" :D 13:02:31 <norbert79> andythenorth: Well, if it stays as a NewGRF, I am fine :) 13:02:57 <Rubidium> http://www.treehugger.com/large-cargo-ship-pollution-smoke-photo4.jpg <- we need blacker diesel smoke 13:03:51 <norbert79> I disagree: http://www.nohab-gm.hu/pix/odense_xtrain.jpg 13:03:54 <Rubidium> http://www.careydillon.com/unpurenzfinal/images/thompson_sound_cruise_ship.jpg <- even cruise ships smoke 13:04:25 <norbert79> Grey is just perfect... But have a newgrf for it! :) 13:05:20 <norbert79> Hmm, what about opacity? 13:05:29 <norbert79> will the game ever support it? 13:05:34 <norbert79> it might solve some 'problems' 13:05:47 <Rubidium> http://www.nohab-gm.hu/pix/odense_xtrain.jpg <- older ships definitely need more smoke than the newer ships 13:05:48 <andythenorth> ime opacity is a performance killer 13:06:00 <andythenorth> except for 0/1 13:06:05 <norbert79> andythenorth: Aye, but it might solve this 'issue' 13:06:30 <andythenorth> the issue is primarily about placement 13:07:07 <andythenorth> making the 'amount' of smoke newgrf controllable is secondary 13:07:18 <Rubidium> IIRC 32bpp already does some opacity stuff 13:08:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:10:05 <norbert79> Talking about ships, my son loves to play Simcity 4. and he enjoys mots of the time driving around trains and flying with planes and using ships... 13:10:16 <norbert79> I must say I can understand it :) 13:12:44 <norbert79> Here guys, have a look on a real OpenTTD :) http://lezlinilzen.freeweb.hu/galeria.htm 13:15:09 <planetmaker> timeout? 13:15:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: he's playing with RoadRunner v5 13:15:41 <planetmaker> hm? 13:15:51 <planetmaker> ERR_NO_CONTEXT 13:15:58 <Rubidium> FS#4260 13:17:09 <xiong> Horse Carriage feeder systems really... are stubborn. 13:17:16 *** V453000 is now known as Guest315 13:17:42 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:17:44 *** V453000 [~93e60efb@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:18:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8504.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:32:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d829:f25a:a281:b6c6] has joined #openttd 13:32:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:34:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 13:38:43 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f736d40.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:42:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:44:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 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But I fail to find it. Any pointers? 17:59:12 *** Samu [Samu@139.112.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 18:01:28 <frosch123> table/sprites.h 18:01:53 <frosch123> PAL_TO or something like that 18:02:23 <frosch123> PALETTE_RECOLOUR_START and following 18:02:39 <frosch123> alternatively you can use ttdviewer :p 18:04:55 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:54 <planetmaker> :-) Thanks 18:06:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:45 <planetmaker> hm, and what is the other set doing differently: there the containers are put onto the wagons wagon by wagon as the train loads. My containers don't do that... 18:20:02 <planetmaker> hm... or my eyes betrayed me. nvm 18:25:41 *** roelmb [Guest848@169.206-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 18:26:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:26:45 <roelmb> I patched Cargodest onto the latest trunk and it worked quite fine the only problem is that I can't see the industry colours/ names in the legend 18:26:55 <roelmb> they are all on each other on the first row 18:27:17 <roelmb> any help? 18:28:12 <Rubidium> cargod*e*st? 18:28:49 <roelmb> or dist let me see 18:28:57 <roelmb> I mean dist :P 18:29:08 <Xaroth> Rubidium saves the day once again :P 18:29:12 <roelmb> :D 18:30:09 <Rubidium> Xaroth: given that he is/has been working on syncing IS2 it's not such a stretch to assuming he might be syncing cargodest 18:30:15 <roelmb> for the rest my CDIS patch on the latest trunk works fine only that little problem with the mini-map 18:30:37 <Rubidium> in any case, is the problem also there when you apply the cargodist patch to the revision it's supposedly made for? 18:30:56 <Rubidium> if that's the case, go to the cargodist thread and "file" a bug report there 18:31:33 <roelmb> ok then I need to bug report it I think 18:32:19 <planetmaker> wait... you used cargodEst instead of cargodIst? 18:32:28 <roelmb> nope I used dist 18:32:42 <planetmaker> how outdated is then the cargodIst repo? 18:33:00 <roelmb> r21293 18:33:14 <planetmaker> doesn't sound like outdated ;-) 18:33:18 <roelmb> :D 18:34:39 <planetmaker> just curious, what is the problem with the minimap? 18:34:56 <roelmb> the legend is puting all name's of the industry's on each other 18:35:02 <roelmb> so unreadable 18:35:13 <roelmb> it doesn't put it in rows for some reason 18:37:41 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:48 <roelmb> oh wait after watching the code for the 25th time I notice that my patcher did something immensly wrong 18:38:15 <roelmb> he closed the bracets of SM_WIDGET_LEGEND even before the code started :( 18:38:46 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 18:40:17 <roelmb> why do I always find the problems after I posted here :P 18:41:21 <Rubidium> Muphry's law? 18:41:56 <roelmb> probably 18:43:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r21312 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt portuguese.txt traditional_chinese.txt): 18:43:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:43:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun 18:43:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 changes by Yexo 18:43:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 43 changes by Samu 18:44:41 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:03 <IchGuckLive> Hi from cold germany ! 18:45:34 <Samu> hi 18:45:35 <Ammler> hello from colder Swiss 18:45:35 <IchGuckLive> Is there a my Distance a train shoudt trevel in a year 18:45:47 <Samu> 19ºC here 18:45:49 <IchGuckLive> max distance Sorry 18:46:37 <IchGuckLive> or better Questian is there a Ideal cost-carry distance 18:47:05 <planetmaker> yes. vmax * 365d 18:47:12 <planetmaker> the latter question is answered clearly with 'depends' 18:47:21 <IchGuckLive> the wiki and the gamecarts give me now answer to this 18:47:35 <planetmaker> then is good :-) 18:47:47 *** roelmb [Guest848@169.206-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #openttd [] 18:48:13 <planetmaker> unless you mean "no" instead of "now" 18:48:35 <Ammler> :-D 18:49:20 <IchGuckLive> planetmaker: yes its no 18:50:13 <IchGuckLive> im 54 years okd and not good in eng. since i worked only 15 years for the US AirForce Europ :D 18:51:33 <Samu> window soft limit (non-sticky): 20 18:51:37 <Samu> is this number pixels? 18:52:35 <Samu> is this the number of windows? 18:52:51 <planetmaker> pixels 18:53:06 <Samu> ok, a bit misleading then 18:53:19 <planetmaker> make a better translation 18:53:47 <Samu> i need to know what does it do 18:53:52 <Samu> never used this setting 18:55:04 <planetmaker> IchGuckLive: then it depends upon the cargo. Which in turn depends upon whether you use industry newgrfs 18:55:16 <planetmaker> look at the cargo income graphs. 18:55:56 <IchGuckLive> income graph is always below level line 18:56:27 <planetmaker> not your company. Cargo 18:56:34 <Samu> i have no idea what it does 18:59:03 <IchGuckLive> planetmaker: are there more graphs ,i meean the colord lines for cargo last in the list 19:00:08 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the "window soft limit" is the limit of non-sticky windows 19:00:30 <planetmaker> he. I guess I never used it either :-) 19:00:51 <Samu> what limit? how exactly 19:01:04 <planetmaker> try to open more windows 19:01:48 <glx> <@planetmaker> pixels <-- lie 19:02:20 <planetmaker> I know meanwhile ;-) 19:02:33 <Samu> ah, the number of windows at once 19:02:51 <Samu> translation is wrong then, english is also misleading 19:05:36 <Samu> disabled 19:05:46 <Samu> means that I can open infinite windows 19:06:10 <Samu> right? 19:06:16 <Rubidium> nah, just till it crashes because it can't allocate more memory 19:06:24 <Samu> :) 19:06:29 <IchGuckLive> good night 19:06:34 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 19:08:32 <andythenorth> Hirundo: smoke for RVs is entirely win :) 19:08:37 <andythenorth> thanks 19:09:35 <Hirundo> nice to hear, thanks :) 19:09:58 <andythenorth> I'll ship HEQS with it enabled soon 19:10:28 <planetmaker> :-) HEQS 1.0! 19:12:35 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:36 <planetmaker> Hirundo: concerning your favourite bug report: 19:13:06 <planetmaker> I could (only) reproduce it when I attached more wagons to that train than it allows graphically. DBSet, BR 420 19:13:46 <planetmaker> I couldn't reproduce the situation as shown there 19:14:59 <Hirundo> I couldn't neither, although I haven't tried in any way 19:15:25 <planetmaker> I fully agree with your assessment of the reports usefulness 19:16:17 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:55 <Hirundo> I can only guess, there is a problem somewhere in his grf 19:18:49 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:20:02 <fjb> There are no problems in HIS grfs. 19:20:13 <andythenorth> must be an openttd misfeature 19:20:19 <Hirundo> Of course 19:20:21 <andythenorth> revert revert ! 19:21:13 <Hirundo> TTDP's and OTTD's implementation of CB 10 slightly differ, although I have only documented that recently 19:21:23 <planetmaker> [20:19] <Hirundo> I can only guess, there is a problem somewhere in his grf <-- that was my conclusion, too. And stopped investigating 19:21:25 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:10 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.25.205] has joined #openttd 19:23:25 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.25.205] has quit [] 19:27:13 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 19:29:47 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.16.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:15 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.25.205] has joined #openttd 19:31:26 *** green-devil [~greendevi@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:35:51 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@212.122.41.20] has joined #openttd 19:36:06 <Eddi|nichZuHause> 'n tach 19:36:45 <planetmaker> tach auch 19:43:59 <fjb> Moin Eddi|woAuchImmer 19:44:04 <fjb> Moin planetmaker 19:45:03 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:46:33 <Samu> moin = ? 19:46:36 <Samu> I see that frequently 19:46:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-178-205.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 19:46:57 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin 19:48:05 <Prof_Frink> No, moin <. 19:49:31 <Samu> ah, so there's east germany, west germany north germany and south germany 19:49:34 <Samu> :) 19:49:56 <Wolf01> quak 19:50:38 <Belugas> in fact, there is Many Ger 19:50:40 <Wolf01> grrr my sister stole my ken's rage disk, I can't play :s 19:51:26 * Wolf01 fallback to borderlands 19:53:52 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-230.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:38 <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, the germs are everywhere... 19:59:59 <Samu> when dragging, place signals every: 4 tile(s) 20:00:09 <Samu> can there be a plural code? 20:01:40 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i believe so... 20:02:45 <Eddi|nichZuHause> just 'Tile{P "" s}' should work 20:03:14 <Samu> english string needs edit 20:03:22 <glx> Samu: there's a {COMMA} in it IIRC 20:03:45 <Samu> comma is a number with a comma? 20:03:59 <Samu> 1,000 20:04:21 <glx> {LTBLUE}When dragging, place signals every: {ORANGE}{STRING} tile{P 0:1 "" s} 20:04:23 <frosch123> Samu: where are you looking at? 20:04:27 <glx> that's english string 20:04:39 <Samu> ah, i'm on 1.0.5 20:04:43 <Samu> it's fixed? 20:04:47 <glx> translator is trunk 20:05:13 <frosch123> two weeks ago or so some more plurals were added to english 20:05:49 * Belugas puts on Cut And Rage. again :D 20:06:28 <Samu> P 0:1 "" s 20:06:32 <Samu> 0:1 ? 20:06:48 <frosch123> it's due to the {STRING} 20:07:18 <frosch123> usually P can only refer to NUM or COMMA 20:07:32 <frosch123> but in this case STRING contains a NUM 20:07:46 <frosch123> so it is parameter 0 (the STRING) and subparameter 1 20:08:01 <frosch123> which you cannot see from the translator point of view 20:08:14 <frosch123> so, just keep it :) 20:08:20 <Samu> ok 20:10:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:10:27 <andythenorth> so where are newgrf cbs defined? I looked... 20:10:39 <andythenorth> e.g. cb10 20:10:51 <frosch123> the enum is in newgrf_callbacks.h 20:11:01 <frosch123> the function to call is GetVehicleCallback or so 20:12:47 <Samu> hey 20:13:02 <Samu> enable terraforming the tiles at the map borders 20:13:18 <Samu> this is when the map is being generated or is it for the player? 20:13:30 <Samu> in game placement of trees~ 20:13:36 <Samu> same question 20:13:51 <frosch123> for the player 20:13:57 <frosch123> adanced settings 20:14:14 <frosch123> just start ottd and look yourself :p 20:14:46 <Samu> i can still place trees 20:15:23 <frosch123> ah, sorry, wrt. your second question: it is random tree placement in game 20:15:36 <frosch123> so, neither map generation nor by the player :p 20:16:46 <Samu> it's not working 20:16:50 <Samu> in game placement of trees, I have it off 20:16:59 <Samu> but i can place trees 20:17:00 * andythenorth discovers CBM_VEHICLE_VISUAL_EFFECT 20:17:04 <andythenorth> yay 20:17:09 <frosch123> Samu: told you 20:17:38 <Samu> only at rain forests 20:17:52 <Samu> i can still place trees in empty areas 20:18:26 <frosch123> maybe try rereading what has been said 20:19:06 <Samu> ah 20:19:21 * andythenorth still baffled :P 20:19:50 <Samu> so, it means trees won't grow once they die? 20:19:58 <Samu> unless I plant them? 20:20:01 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.51.73] has joined #openttd 20:20:10 <glx> yes 20:20:25 <Samu> hmm, ok 20:20:37 <Samu> misleading again, lol 20:27:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:27:40 <andythenorth> hmm 20:27:54 <andythenorth> enum VisualEffect is *not* where I'd extend cb10 20:28:37 <frosch123> why do you want to touch that enum at all? 20:28:41 * andythenorth can't find where cb10 result is evaluated 20:28:54 <frosch123> grep for the CBM_ 20:32:12 * andythenorth wonders what GB does 20:32:27 <andythenorth> get byte? 20:32:49 <frosch123> but, when you want to return more stuff in cb10, you likely cannot store the result, but have to call it immediatelly o creating the smoke 20:32:54 <frosch123> GB = GetBits 20:33:54 <andythenorth> this->vcache.cached_vis_effect is storing the result? 20:34:38 <frosch123> sounds like 20:47:31 <Samu> Cycle through signal types 20:47:34 * andythenorth finds staring at the code _sort_ of works 20:47:40 <Samu> what does it do? 20:47:49 <Samu> I never made networks, so... I need help 20:47:53 <frosch123> isn't there a description? 20:48:40 <Samu> I'm at train signals in advanced settings 20:48:59 <frosch123> what are the 3 strings before and after that about? 20:49:39 <Samu> all, path signals only, block signals only 20:49:39 <Samu> this? 20:49:53 <glx> it's when you build signals with CTRL 20:50:15 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 20:50:42 <Samu> it replaces the signals that I have chosen there 20:50:43 <Samu> ? 20:51:15 <frosch123> instead of picking the signal from the menu, you click with the mouse multiple times 20:51:22 <frosch123> and it cycles through the types 20:51:54 <Samu> cycles in the meaning of trading 20:52:06 <Samu> I see, I think 20:52:18 <glx> means normal->pre->combo->exit->pbs->normal 20:52:20 <frosch123> you place one, you click again, and it changes to the next one 20:52:40 <Samu> ok, thank you 20:52:41 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 20:52:43 <glx> and this options is for normal->pbs->normal 20:52:47 <glx> IIRC 20:54:06 <Samu> block singnals, path signals and all 20:54:11 <Samu> it's what it says here 20:54:16 <Samu> signals* 20:55:14 <frosch123> so you can pick between cycling through all 6, or only 4 resp. 2 of them 20:59:40 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:59 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b796.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:06:40 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@77.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:40 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@77.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 21:09:37 <Samu> how do I translate "pathfinder"? 21:09:43 <Samu> hehe 21:09:47 <Samu> how did you guys do? 21:10:24 <frosch123> what does your navigation system do? 21:10:35 <Devedse> Hey guys, is it possible to make something like "teleports" where trains go in and role out somewhere else with only newgrfx? 21:10:44 <Wolf01> tunnels 21:10:44 <frosch123> no 21:10:45 <planetmaker> no 21:11:06 <Samu> navigation seems a nice word 21:11:09 <Devedse> I also read that tunnels were basically teleports or something, can they be used for something like that? 21:11:26 <Devedse> Like just set the entrance at 1:1 and the exit at 240:240 21:11:35 <Devedse> and the time it takes from begin to end to like 1 second 21:11:40 <Devedse> or doesn't it work that way? 21:12:11 <frosch123> someone made such a patch iirc 21:12:39 * andythenorth again defeated by real code :P 21:12:42 <andythenorth> back to nfo 21:13:09 <frosch123> search on the forums, resp. search the forums using google (which is better than the forum search in most cases) 21:13:45 <frosch123> andythenorth: interesting decision :p 21:13:48 <Samu> navigation is a bit ocean stuff 21:14:02 <Rubidium> Samu: pathfinding != navigation 21:14:07 <andythenorth> frosch123: :D 21:14:12 <Samu> I know 21:14:18 <Rubidium> you find a path and then navigate along that path 21:14:24 <andythenorth> nfo doesn't require any understanding of architecture 21:14:40 <Samu> translating "pathfinder" becomes "Sistema de encontrar caminho" 21:14:45 <Samu> quite big 21:14:48 <Samu> I want to make it small 21:14:59 <fjb> Pathfinding is finding a way from point A to point B. 21:14:59 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 21:15:10 <Devedse> frosch123, did you say that to me :)? 21:15:18 <frosch123> yes :p 21:15:27 <frosch123> Samu: brazilian just uses "pathfinder" :p 21:15:33 <Devedse> I was looking on the forums today but didn't find anything :> 21:15:39 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:48 <Devedse> Just idea's about "vacuum tubes and warp gates" 21:15:58 <Samu> :) 21:16:22 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:50 <Samu> system of finding way 21:17:17 <planetmaker> Deveds: implement that with rail types and train newgrf ;-) 21:17:31 *** Qantourisc [~Qantouris@d54C49238.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-101-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:18:33 <planetmaker> tunnel train type: oo speed. normal surface track: something finite. And train speeds as fast as you want. Backdraw: slower ones will not travel faster through your worm hole than on normal track 21:24:15 <Devedse> I would really love to have wormholes :P 21:24:23 <Devedse> and bigger maps $_$ 21:24:27 <andythenorth> this is a FIRS bug report 21:24:27 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=137495 21:24:29 * Devedse loves 100 mb maps 21:24:41 <andythenorth> but same industries shouldn't build within 56 tiles of each other 21:24:56 <andythenorth> anyone able to trigger this? I can't (high industry, low town count should help) 21:25:24 <Rubidium> andythenorth: old version? 21:25:43 <andythenorth> he says FIRS 0.5.4 21:25:51 <andythenorth> wonder if we extended cb28 in game 21:26:07 <Rubidium> Devedse: set the "savegame_format" setting in openttd.cfg to "none". Then you'll reach the 100 Mb savegames much easier 21:26:25 <frosch123> andythenorth: we added the distingish player-build/generated/scenario editor 21:26:47 <Devedse> Rubidium, THANX :DD 21:27:06 <andythenorth> could be that 21:27:24 <Belugas> i'm not sure it's what you think it is, though :) 21:31:50 *** Qantourisc [~Qantouris@d54C49D91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:34:52 <Samu> hey 21:34:57 <Samu> question 21:35:05 <Rubidium> 42 21:35:15 <Samu> how I fix plural for this 21:35:25 <Samu> 1 mês 21:35:28 <Samu> 2 meses 21:35:30 <Samu> 1 singular 21:35:33 <Samu> 2 plural 21:35:56 <Rubidium> {P m^es meses} 21:36:02 <planetmaker> m{P ese eses} 21:36:12 <Samu> ah 21:36:26 <Rubidium> assuming there's a {NUM} or {COMMA} in the string and the plural type is set correctly 21:36:51 <Samu> m{P 0:1 ês eses} ? 21:37:16 <Samu> {LTBLUE}Auto-renovação do veÃculo {ORANGE}{STRING}{LTBLUE} meses antes/depois da idade máx. 21:37:24 <Samu> fixing this 21:37:32 <Rubidium> yes, that looks okay 21:37:46 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 21:38:00 <Samu> {LTBLUE}Auto-renovação do veÃculo {ORANGE}{STRING}{LTBLUE} m{P 0:1 ês eses} antes/depois da idade máx. 21:41:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:41:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:43:13 <glx> looks correct 21:48:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7205.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:30 <Terkhen> good night 22:02:30 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d0df.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:28 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:03:55 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@212.122.41.20] has quit [] 22:05:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8504.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:34 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c6bd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:58 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dc41.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:37 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:16:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-97-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:18:06 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d0df.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:55 <Hirundo> Is a bug in MB's NewGRF a contradictio in terminis? 22:25:46 <SmatZ> yes 22:26:28 <glx> there are never bugs in MB's NewGRF ;) 22:26:43 <Rubidium> it works in TTDP, so OpenTTD is wrong 22:26:49 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:29:42 <Wolf01> 'nighty night 22:29:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:30:27 <Rubidium> i.e. TTDP is more right than the specifications 22:34:14 <Lakie> Depends on the specifications, quite a chunk is now OpenTTD specific, thus voiding any chance of TTDPatch being 'right'. 22:35:36 <Rubidium> while we're talking about specs. What's your opinion of https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/4253 ? 22:36:37 <AveiMil> 'retire_early' : {'size': 1, 'num': 0x16}, <- NML, is that airacraft life span? 22:36:58 <Hirundo> no, I guess that would be 'vehicle_life' or something similar 22:37:47 <Lakie> I just followed what you told me how OpenTTD would work 22:37:48 <AveiMil> don't see any such variables for airacraft, hmmm 22:37:54 <Hirundo> It's better to read the docs than to scout action0properties.py 22:38:02 <Hirundo> It's in the general section 22:38:07 <Lakie> Making sure the whole object (plus foundations) would be the same height level. 22:38:51 <Hirundo> AveiMil: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/raw-file/bdf2927bfbdd/docs/vehicles.html#vehicles-property 22:38:55 <Lakie> (If the callback is missing for the object or individual tiles) 22:38:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:10 <Rubidium> Lakie: so basically missing the callback but setting the bit equals not setting the bit that you want the callback to be called? 22:39:52 <Lakie> Well, if the bit isn't set it calls the default, if its set but the callback comes back as no result it uses the default 22:40:00 <Lakie> Otherwise it uses the result provided 22:40:13 <Lakie> I figured that would be the safest approach 22:40:27 <AveiMil> thanks 22:42:31 <Rubidium> so missing callback = fall back to flat land check 22:42:37 <Lakie> Aye 22:42:48 <Rubidium> instead of OpenTTD's missing callback = don't allow to build 22:42:56 <Lakie> But since it can be tile specific (I imagine the bit mb isn't showing), it can be tricky 22:43:24 <Rubidium> debugging MB NewGRF bugs is like debugging Mac OS X 22:43:35 <Lakie> I think this is more useful than just reject 22:43:51 <Lakie> As one may want specific slopes on some tiles but not others 22:44:07 <Samu> max trains/road/aircraft/ships per player 22:44:13 <Samu> shouldn't it be per company? 22:44:49 * Rubidium slaps the person who failed to rename that :) 22:44:59 <Lakie> Hehe 22:45:29 <Rubidium> Lakie: but... if it misses the callback for one tile doesn't that mean you're going to (re)validate the whole area using the default method? 22:45:41 <Lakie> No 22:45:43 <Rubidium> otherwise you can't be sure that the area is flat (enough) 22:45:47 <AveiMil> Where can I find retire_early default values etc for airplanes? I can't see to find any here http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/table/engines.h?rev=21100 nor here http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 22:45:55 <Lakie> Hmm... true 22:46:16 <Lakie> I take the north tile (adjusted height) and compare against that for the default 22:46:41 <Samu> plane speed factor, is this just for planes or does it include helicopters? 22:46:43 <Lakie> So it should be relatively 'flat', originally it used to just check for any raised points. test bp, bp 22:47:06 <Rubidium> Lakie: yeah, flat after foundations :) 22:47:25 <Lakie> Yeah, so it should be 'flat' after foundations... 22:48:09 <Lakie> Unless my logic in thinking that the adjusted north tile height should match any other tiles adjusted hiueght? 22:48:12 <Lakie> height* 22:48:32 <Rubidium> but... if it fails for one tile you check that tile's leveled foundation against the northern tile and for the next tile you call the callback again? 22:48:41 <Lakie> Yup 22:49:05 <Lakie> The check is run per tile, probably less efficent but works 22:49:06 <Rubidium> sounds quite complicated to me 22:49:36 <Lakie> Well, I noticed that mb's grf a while back, only provided a cb157 result for 3 tiles 22:49:54 <Lakie> It'd always had a check for if no result jump to default 22:50:30 <Samu> plane or aircraft? 22:50:37 <Samu> some places say plane, some say aircraft 22:50:50 <Lakie> http://svn.ttdpatch.net/trac/browser/trunk/patches/objects.asm?rev=2351#L1774 22:51:09 <Lakie> the jc handles if no result. 22:51:10 <Rubidium> Samu: the base translation can be quite inconsistent, so please make some list of all inconsistencies 22:51:36 <Samu> the plane speed factor for example 22:51:43 <Samu> plane or aircraft? 22:51:58 <Rubidium> aircraft 22:52:09 <Samu> :( 22:52:18 <Samu> ok 22:53:02 <planetmaker> there you go, Samu. Text fixed 22:53:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21313 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: Max vehicle settings are per company, not per player 22:54:44 <Rubidium> planetmaker: there are more players that should probably be something else 22:55:04 <Rubidium> planetmaker: http://rbijker.net/openttd/foes.diff ? 22:55:12 <Hirundo> AveiMil: retire_early is most probably 0 by default 22:55:44 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I agree with the news messages 22:55:47 <planetmaker> *disagree 22:55:59 <AveiMil> most probably :) 22:56:20 <planetmaker> as I configure that client-side. But well 22:57:05 <planetmaker> also... computer player is as correct if not more than computer controlled company. I can join it after all 22:57:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:57:35 <planetmaker> I agree with landscape and president fixes 22:58:58 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:59:13 <Rubidium> planetmaker: well cherry pick it :) 22:59:20 <planetmaker> :-) 23:02:32 <Rubidium> Lakie: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs4253.diff look like TTDPatch's behaviour? 23:03:26 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 23:03:29 <Lakie> I think so 23:04:27 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:33 <Lakie> I assume cost.addCost handles if allowed_z is not the same? 23:04:54 <Rubidium> it sets the error flag of cost, which is checks somewhat later 23:05:00 <Lakie> Ok 23:06:12 <Lakie> Looks about right, 23:06:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21314 /trunk/src/object_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4253]: [NewGRF] (Hopefully) make callback 157 behave more like TTDPatch does, i.e. fall back to the default check when the callback is not yielding a result for a tile instead of disallowing building the object 23:13:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:21 <planetmaker> omg... the server creation lobby is aweful :-( 23:16:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21315 /trunk/src/ (50 files in 3 dirs): -Cleanup: remove a pair of unused strings 23:17:21 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/more_plurals.diff <- add plurals + occasionally an extra word to some settings to make them more clear 23:17:58 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:18:43 <planetmaker> RED}Warning: High setting slows game <-- High values slow down game? 23:19:51 <Rubidium> good one 23:21:22 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:28 <Yexo> is that warning needed there? 23:21:41 <Yexo> ie is there a noticable slowdown when setting it higher? 23:21:45 <planetmaker> +STR_CONFIG_SETTING_SOFT_LIMIT: {LTBLUE}Max number of non-sticky windows: {ORANGE}{STRING1} 23:21:57 <planetmaker> ^ rather 23:22:21 <planetmaker> that remark earlier was correct, it's not clear as it's now 23:23:20 <Rubidium> Yexo: don't know 23:25:58 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/players.diff <- mine 23:28:00 <Rubidium> looks okay to me 23:28:00 <planetmaker> well, I'll push these player changes; other than the soft-limit I've no further remark on your string changes, Rubidium 23:28:05 <planetmaker> k 23:28:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21316 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: Some more strings where 'player' actually meant 'company' 23:29:25 <Hirundo> planetmaker: Could you perhaps move my little chat with mb to a new thread, as to not hijack andy's topic ? 23:29:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21317 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: improve the wording of some of the settings strings 23:32:16 <planetmaker> Sure, Hirundo. I just saw it now. I did also look more in-depth. You're right 23:32:24 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d692.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:32:37 <planetmaker> reading de-compiled newgrfs is no fun, though :( 23:34:59 <planetmaker> Uhm, Hirundo do you think it needs moving from that thread? 23:35:07 <planetmaker> It's at least partially on-topic, not? 23:35:28 <planetmaker> (I initially thought it was in one of andy's grf threads) 23:36:03 <planetmaker> and actually... it's in a forum where I have no power :-P 23:36:12 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ddf5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:00 <planetmaker> so, sorry, I can't, Hirundo 23:37:59 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:38:01 <planetmaker> did I ever mention that Zephyris was a drawing-machine? 23:38:09 <planetmaker> and a very good one at that? 23:39:41 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dc41.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:49 <Hirundo> ah well, goodnight then :) 23:40:37 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c8c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:51 <planetmaker> good night Hirundo 23:42:07 <planetmaker> And good night all others, too. Bed is calling loudly ;-) 23:42:26 <Samu> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/pt_PT/STR_NETWORK_ERROR_CLIENT_GUI_LOST_CONNECTION 23:42:38 <Samu> where am I going to see this message? 23:43:10 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d692.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:42 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ddf5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:28 <Yexo> <@planetmaker> reading de-compiled newgrfs is no fun, though :( <- so we need to add decompiling to nml 23:50:57 *** Lars [~Lars@4607ds4-ynoe.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 23:51:29 <Ammler> Yexo: yes, cool :-) 23:51:31 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 23:52:03 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:38 <planetmaker> Hm... Yexo: the reference for sharing ids for random_switch fail 23:52:47 <Ammler> planetmaker: tried grf2html? 23:53:00 <planetmaker> (unrelated, but came to my mind... I guess I open a report) 23:53:07 <Yexo> planetmaker: I'm not sure what you mean exactly 23:53:11 <Yexo> could you upload an example? 23:53:14 <planetmaker> yeha. I post code 23:54:12 <glx> Samu: in an error box 23:54:40 <Samu> ah, possible connection lost... ... the last xx seconds no data was received.. ? 23:55:15 <glx> ShowErrorMessage(STR_NETWORK_ERROR_CLIENT_GUI_LOST_CONNECTION_CAPTION, STR_NETWORK_ERROR_CLIENT_GUI_LOST_CONNECTION, WL_INFO); 23:55:54 <Samu> looks like there's someone editing right now 23:55:56 <Samu> besides me 23:56:01 <Samu> he took care of it 23:56:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]