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00:00:57 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:08 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 00:11:39 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.28.8] has joined #openttd 00:18:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.28.8] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:30:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:34:34 <glx> <__ln__> Ammler: no, no, the English Channel is between France and Britain <-- we call it Manche here :) 00:39:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.50.197] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:40:15 <Wolf01> 'night 00:40:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-237-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:41:44 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabeea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:55:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabeea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:57 <Zatman> Hello, I'm having trouble getting OpenTTD running on a CentOS installation. Can someone help me with getting it to work please? 00:59:50 <Ylioppilas> in which part you get problems? 01:00:04 <Ylioppilas> how did you install openttd? 01:01:20 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 01:02:08 <Zatman> I can't get it to run, or bash to recognize it as a runnable program. I installed the precompiled binaries for generic linux, downloaded and installed the openfx stuff, and doubliclicking on openttd does nothing. Navigating to its directory and typing openttd into the terminal windows just gives "command not found." 01:03:51 <Zatman> I should also say, this is all in a folder under a username and not in root or part of the filesystem. (aka it's in user/downloads/openttd...) 01:05:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ABE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D8EB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:11:35 <Eddi|zuHause> have you checked the file permissions? 01:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and you need to run "./openttd", not "openttd" 01:11:52 <Yexo> Zatman: try "./openttd" in your terminal instead of just "openttd" 01:13:34 <Zatman> That didn't work. Also checked permissions and they seem correct. 01:13:50 <Yexo> what error message did you get? 01:14:13 <Zatman> "Cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" 01:14:26 <Yexo> was that the only line? 01:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what does "ls -l" tell you? 01:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, i misread... 01:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Zatman: there must be a filename in that message 01:15:36 <Zatman> no, I'm sorry. It also says "error while loading shared libraries libSDL-1.2.so.0 01:15:52 <Yexo> libSDL-1.2.so.0 <- there is the filename 01:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Zatman: ah. then you need to install SDL first 01:16:06 <Zatman> Oh, ok. I apologize. I'm also new to Linux. 01:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Zatman: it should be easily done with the packagemanager that your distribution comes with 01:16:48 <Yexo> no need for apoligies, and it was quite clear you're new to linux :) 01:17:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the "./" thingie kinda gave it away ;) 01:17:17 <Zatman> yay! Thanks so much everyone for the help and patience! 01:30:13 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-244-8.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:10 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 01:33:22 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 01:34:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:19 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 01:40:45 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:43:43 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has quit [] 01:43:46 <Zatman> Goodnight everyone. Thanks again for the help! 01:43:49 *** Zatman [62fc9312@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: Night Y'All!] 01:45:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-15-209.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:01 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 02:01:46 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:02:20 *** Wizzleby is now known as Guest178 02:32:09 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:31 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4ED7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 02:50:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:27 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 03:06:27 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:17:04 *** hoax_ [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:01 *** hoax_ [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 03:48:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a99a:5675:ab1d:c5] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:51:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 05:26:31 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 05:40:44 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@coming.soon.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:05 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@coming.soon.it] has joined #openttd 05:46:39 *** z-MaTRiX is now known as Guest191 05:54:08 *** Guest191 is now known as z-MaTRiX_nonidentified 05:54:22 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hi 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B772FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:51 <Terkhen> good morning 07:17:33 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08fbe9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:36:27 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:37:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@82.161.133.146] has joined #openttd 07:49:59 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 07:55:52 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 08:12:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.50] has joined #openttd 08:15:33 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:17:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D8EB.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:58 <planetmaker> moin 08:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... i hate support calls in the morning... 08:29:24 <planetmaker> s/in the morning// ? 08:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no... around noon-ish the lookout for the money i get surpasses my annoyance 08:37:34 <__ln__> what sort of support calls? 08:41:38 <dihedral> mornings 08:44:34 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hey-ho 08:47:49 <dihedral> wow - i like what kamnet did :-) 08:49:10 <planetmaker> hm, what did he do? 08:49:20 <dihedral> the music :-) 08:49:34 <planetmaker> oh, yes. 08:49:44 <planetmaker> Also wrt graphics he develops a good taste 08:49:52 <dihedral> sweet :-) 08:50:03 <dihedral> btw, can multiple music sets be added? 08:50:23 <planetmaker> not concurrently, but of course you can switch 08:50:32 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> do you listen to trance dance music ? 08:50:52 <dihedral> nope 08:51:04 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:51:16 <dihedral> i mostly enjoy jazz :-P 08:51:26 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> in openttd? 08:51:41 <dihedral> i cannot recall when i last played openttd :-P 08:51:47 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hehe 08:51:50 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> you only code? 08:51:52 <dihedral> but even there i'd enjoy it 08:51:59 <dihedral> currently, yes 08:52:26 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> i would think you like to play what you code 08:52:28 <dihedral> i am considering hosting a set of servers though 08:52:53 <dihedral> the last thing i coded only opened more doors for coding - so in essense i am playing with what i coded :-D 08:53:24 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> when will openttd be 3d? 08:53:26 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> <; 08:53:49 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> and fear class graphics 08:54:25 <dihedral> never 08:54:38 <Terkhen> ^ 08:54:46 <dihedral> v 08:55:19 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> so it will be renamed openttd3d first? 08:55:27 <dihedral> was it not SmatZ who said, of course it was a 2d game, as the screen was the limiting factor? 08:55:35 <dihedral> z-MaTRiX_nonidentified, never :-) 08:55:37 <planetmaker> it would b a new game. 08:55:42 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> :) 08:55:42 <Terkhen> if someone was willing to code all required changes to make it 3D he would end up with a new game 08:55:51 <dihedral> OpenTTDDD 08:55:52 <dihedral> :-D 08:55:56 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> but game could be same 08:56:07 <planetmaker> it wouldn't really 08:56:32 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> only like larger maps, higher resolution 08:56:33 <Terkhen> you might want to read the related discussion at the forums 08:56:42 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:50 <Terkhen> that's not related to 3D 08:56:58 <dihedral> kamnet, i like your music project :-) 08:58:04 <dihedral> i much enjoy Scott Joplin :-) 08:58:31 <kamnet> Thank you :-) 08:58:56 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=637722 08:59:02 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> haha ye 08:59:33 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> well people can be replaced with some white bags that move into the high resolution 3d trains 08:59:36 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> ;>> 08:59:57 <dihedral> # i'm just a dreamer, i dream my life away.... 09:00:48 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> #!/bin/bash 09:02:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:00 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/tt3d/ 09:04:21 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> well adventage would be to move viewpoint 09:08:44 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has joined #openttd 09:09:19 <Celestar> hiya 09:10:11 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:19 <Terkhen> hi Celestar 09:11:39 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 09:12:42 <Celestar> how's stuff? 09:14:42 <Terkhen> as usual, I'm coding instead of doing what I'm supposed to do :) 09:16:45 <Celestar> hahah 09:26:29 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 09:33:14 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:36:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:46:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-237-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:46:26 <Wolf01> 'morning 09:47:44 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 09:57:04 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:58:25 <kamnet> Idea for OpenGFX+ Landscape - implement something like Grassy Knoll 09:59:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:59:34 <planetmaker> you mean instead of the land purchase sign? 10:00:03 <planetmaker> I wonder whether that can be done by appropriately crafted NewObjects :-) 10:00:17 <planetmaker> Crafted as in terms of purchase and selling costs. 10:00:20 <kamnet> Yep, replace the brown development tiles with green grass and either eliminte the purchase sign, or find something smaller and nicer. 10:00:36 <planetmaker> get drawing ;-) :-P 10:00:52 <planetmaker> you seem to have a good taste for graphics anyway :-) 10:01:28 <kamnet> what about building a fence around the owned area? 10:01:38 <planetmaker> sounds like a good idea 10:02:09 <planetmaker> quite feasable by means of new objects. Then one could just use a plain tile w/o anything else even 10:02:26 <planetmaker> Maybe trees, by random chance or so 10:02:28 <kamnet> as they're grouped together, the fences will link up to surround the entire area 10:02:30 <planetmaker> hm... :-) 10:02:37 <planetmaker> yep. I really like that idea :-) 10:03:31 <planetmaker> I'd just code it as NewObject, though. With the same purchase costs as buy land and no demolishing costs or so 10:03:43 <planetmaker> I think that it can work that way, though it might need some tests 10:04:10 <kamnet> repurpose ottd rail fences :D 10:04:25 <planetmaker> that's what I'd do, yes ;-) 10:04:32 <planetmaker> or maybe the one from SER 10:04:37 <planetmaker> they're nicer ;-) 10:04:44 <planetmaker> with some bushes and green or so 10:05:09 <kamnet> just bushes, or bushes & fence? 10:05:12 <Terkhen> that sounds nice :) 10:05:27 <planetmaker> kamnet, look at them in SwedishRails 0.6.0 ;-) 10:05:35 <planetmaker> It's a fence where some green grows on some spots 10:05:55 <planetmaker> at least by default. You can configure it via parameter there 10:06:32 <kamnet> That sounds nifty. Was just worried about how do you differentiate properties in multiplayer. If the fence can be in cc that would work well. 10:06:33 <planetmaker> hm, or the farm hedge(s) could do in our case, too. Or one or the other selected randomly 10:06:52 <planetmaker> the fence is CC by default in SER, yes 10:07:12 <planetmaker> otherwise I'd be worried about that multiplayer-issue, too ;-) 10:09:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 10:12:12 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-114-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:28 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-17.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 10:15:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.70] has joined #openttd 10:18:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-57-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:17 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb47.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:26 *** supermop [~daniel_er@vitsoe.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:03:42 <supermop> hello 11:09:22 <kamnet> Good morning 11:10:44 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:10:58 <planetmaker> hi supermop 11:11:58 <planetmaker> kamnet, I just wonder, do you have the tools to clone a repository from the DevZone and build those projects there? 11:13:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:25 <kamnet> Nope, I sure don't. I can't even compile without tying my fingers in knots :D 11:24:30 <planetmaker> oh, hm. but how did you produce the grfs which you already produced? 11:25:42 <kamnet> just gimp and grfcodec. 11:26:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.70] has joined #openttd 11:26:59 <planetmaker> hm, ho :-) I just wondered whether you might be interested in helping to get all those pending wonderful sprites into OpenGFX and also the OpenGFX+ projects which there are 11:28:06 <kamnet> I might be, my plate's slightly full though. On Monday I found out that all the podcasts that I help with will be moving off of the network they're on now, so now I'm responsible for producing them myself 5 nights a week. 11:28:50 <supermop> what are you doing up kamnet? 11:29:07 <supermop> hi planetmaker 11:29:27 <kamnet> I work for AngryMarks.com, pro wrestling / MMA / combat sports website. 11:30:19 <kamnet> We were using blogtalkradio.com to produce most of our shows but they're changing their platform on feb 1st and we can't afford to keep producing shows there for what they're charging. 11:30:40 <kamnet> So we're taking it all back on our own. 11:32:02 <supermop> none of this answers why you are on irc at 6:30 am 11:32:31 <kamnet> haven't gone to bed yet :D 11:32:45 <supermop> me neither 11:32:51 <supermop> but for a different reason 11:33:00 <supermop> now i am at work again! 11:33:31 <kamnet> just got finished editing two shows, new intro and outros for one of those, and transcribing an interview with michael schiavello 11:35:04 <supermop> i didn't know you did production 11:36:45 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 11:39:12 <kamnet> yep, not big time or complicated but I do some audio and video work 11:41:27 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hey-ho 11:41:41 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:36 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> btw 11:42:57 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> i liked the behaviour of purchase land sign in original openttd :) it lols 11:43:18 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> you place it on water, and water is not there pouring on your land 11:43:39 <supermop> water respects the no trespassing sign 11:43:44 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> yep 11:44:43 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> also you placed a depot and blew it up, there you have cheap waterland, just place signs on cleared land before water pours back 11:45:20 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.50.197] has joined #openttd 11:46:18 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.43.207] has joined #openttd 11:49:18 <kamnet> Is there any way to determine what random seed was used to create a particular saved game? 11:49:42 <planetmaker> yes 11:49:50 <planetmaker> random_seed or so in the console 11:51:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:51:29 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 11:52:05 <kamnet> how do I use that? 11:52:40 <kamnet> I'm in console but there's no random_seed 11:56:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21776 /trunk/src/ (road_gui.cpp road_gui.h): 11:56:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Give a more appropriate name to the road connection function. 11:56:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Document: Add doxygen comments to the function. 11:57:26 <planetmaker> probably set random_seed or alike 11:57:35 <Wolf01> are there already some newobjects on bananas? 11:57:37 <planetmaker> without setting a new one it will return the old one 11:58:00 <Wolf01> s/some/any 11:58:44 <planetmaker> not sure about the DWE station tiles 11:59:12 <kamnet> 'random_seed' is an unknown setting 11:59:14 <planetmaker> nor about the modular locomotive shed stations 11:59:33 <planetmaker> nor about the vast station tiles 11:59:53 <planetmaker> you need anything in particular, Wolf01 ? 12:00:10 <Wolf01> no, just for sandboxing 12:00:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21777 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Add: After building a road or tram bridge, connect it to any existing road or tram. 12:00:32 *** DarkTomas [5f597c66@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:00:42 <DarkTomas> Hello guys 12:00:58 <DarkTomas> I need help where i become older versions of openttd? 12:01:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21778 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Add: After building a road or tram tunnel, connect it to any existing road or tram. 12:01:24 <planetmaker> better don't become an old version of OpenTTD. But you can obtain them from the same place as current ones 12:01:42 <DarkTomas> why better not? 12:01:57 <planetmaker> (ps become = werden, get = bekommen) 12:01:58 <kamnet> No there's no NewGRFs on BaNaNas yet. There's only Wall's objects, Maniquistal's tower, Sac's light/electric poles, Michael Blunk's marico, and the TTD rocks/lighthouse 12:02:07 <planetmaker> false friends alert ;-) 12:02:12 <Terkhen> DarkTomas: binaries.openttd.org 12:02:24 <planetmaker> ^ 12:02:40 <DarkTomas> thanks i need it for citybuilder :/ 12:02:51 <planetmaker> uhm... that's not an official version 12:03:01 <planetmaker> ask the patch author(s). 12:03:07 <planetmaker> oh.... for 12:03:09 <planetmaker> sorry :-) 12:03:43 <DarkTomas> yes it says i need 0.7.5 12:03:50 <planetmaker> DarkTomas, the "best" method is to use a version control system and to just checkout the proper revision which you need 12:04:03 <Terkhen> wow, that's old :) 12:04:18 <DarkTomas> but it doesnt give an alternative :/ 12:04:25 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:04:27 <DarkTomas> i think 12:04:35 <planetmaker> 0.7.5 is.... ancient. tbh it won't be fun :-) 12:04:48 <DarkTomas> hm 12:04:49 <planetmaker> you'll miss out on the support by many modern newgrfs. 12:05:07 <DarkTomas> but i dont own basics of c++ thats the problem ^^ 12:05:17 <frosch123> he, one year is old, but not ancient :) 12:05:17 <DarkTomas> i dont need citybuilder 12:05:39 <planetmaker> well, indeed, one not two years ;-) 12:05:42 <DarkTomas> but i need information about what the city needs and how much thats my problem 12:05:59 <planetmaker> well. That is told you in the wiki 12:06:04 <planetmaker> temperate: nothing 12:06:06 <DarkTomas> what? 12:06:14 <planetmaker> desert: water, food(?) 12:06:24 <planetmaker> arctic: food when above snow line 12:06:50 <DarkTomas> yes but is nicer when the city says what he want 12:06:51 <planetmaker> probably in desert water is also only needed by towns in the desert, not on other terrain 12:06:59 <planetmaker> well. Cities DO tell you 12:07:06 <DarkTomas> o.O? 12:07:13 <planetmaker> did you look (in recent versions) at the town info window? 12:07:33 <planetmaker> test the current 1.1.0-beta3. They do 12:07:59 <planetmaker> if they don't tell anything: then they don't require anything 12:07:59 <DarkTomas> oj i use 1.0.5 12:08:12 <planetmaker> might be that 1.0.x doesn't have that feature 12:08:30 <DarkTomas> wait i test the nightly ok ? ^^ 12:08:38 <DarkTomas> and veryyyy thanks for the idea 12:09:08 <planetmaker> well. get the beta3... 12:09:10 <DarkTomas> i have to use beta or nightly? 12:09:20 <planetmaker> I guess so, yes 12:09:25 <DarkTomas> ok 12:11:39 <DarkTomas> yes but it says only i need water i need food but not how much 12:11:53 <planetmaker> 1t / month is enough. No limits 12:12:09 <planetmaker> it's independent of town size 12:33:53 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-90-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:40:16 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 12:41:19 *** supermop [~daniel_er@vitsoe.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: supermop] 12:46:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21779 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Cleanup(r21778): Remove unneeded space at the start of a line. 12:49:18 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:00:23 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-17.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3db4:3dbf:b71d:1e02] has joined #openttd 13:00:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:19:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21780 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Change: Keep aqueducts and road/tram tunnels and bridges after removing a company. 13:30:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:35:00 <dihedral> go Terkhen go 13:54:15 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF80DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:00:23 <Terkhen> unless something is broken I have finished for today :) 14:00:54 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:28 <dihedral> Terkhen, c'mon :-P 14:02:32 <dihedral> you can do it! 14:02:37 <dihedral> don't give up now 14:02:38 <dihedral> :-P 14:04:30 <Terkhen> I could doxyment stuff, but that's boring :P 14:05:28 <Hirundo> Since you've been working on bridges already, you might as well do custom bridge heads while you're at it ;) 14:05:49 <Terkhen> :D 14:06:03 <Terkhen> that's not something that could be committed today anyways 14:06:15 <SpComb> it could if you finished it today 14:06:36 <Terkhen> yes, that's the impossibility 14:07:10 <SpComb> start with the finished product and work backwards from there to derive the current code 14:07:19 <SpComb> and then commit the reverse patch 14:07:20 <Hirundo> even if it was finished, it might be sensible to not commit until 1.1 is branched 14:09:01 <Terkhen> that too 14:10:06 <dihedral> hehe 14:10:23 <dihedral> freeze trunk 14:11:43 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 14:20:10 <Belugas> hello 14:21:58 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:21 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.156.129] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 14:26:00 <dihedral> hello Belugas 14:36:27 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08fbe9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:41:49 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 14:42:21 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:42:56 <Belugas> hey DanMacK 14:42:58 <Belugas> hello dihedral 14:45:50 *** DarkTomas [5f597c66@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:46:43 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.156.129] has joined #openttd 14:50:04 <Ammler> SalÃŒ Sirs DanMacK and Belugas 14:50:39 <Belugas> Ammler, wish you a good day 14:50:47 <Belugas> wow... can't say it's not a polite channel :) 14:51:08 <Ammler> 2/3d already gone :-) 14:51:19 <planetmaker> and weekend to come! 14:54:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21781 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: Make the description of the setting on how to obtain the tooltip a bit clearer 14:56:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.43.207] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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That won't win the price, I'm afraid 16:02:00 <frosch123> well, but it did not crash even when using original landscape generator 16:02:15 <planetmaker> ;-) 16:05:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:07:19 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:10:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21783 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Cleanup (r14997): Remove redundant assignment. 16:11:13 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21784 /trunk/src/saveload/station_sl.cpp: -Fix (r16909): crash when converting savegame with custom waypoint name 16:18:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21785 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Codechange: Make ReadSprite() not operate on the sprite chache directly. 16:19:28 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF80DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21786 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er... wtf? 16:28:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21787 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Codechange: Pass the allocator function to use to ReadSprite(). 16:29:52 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:04 <planetmaker> I also wonder which font would be that insane, but very obviously it exists 16:35:32 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:35:46 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has joined #openttd 16:36:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21788 /trunk/src/ (spritecache.cpp spritecache.h): -Codechange: Enable GetRawSprite() to also load sprites not using the spritecache but a custom allocator function. 16:37:03 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has quit [] 16:39:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21789 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix [FS#4405]: When the font misses the fallback character '?', use the sprite font's '?' instead. 16:44:00 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 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18:10:30 <Belugas> toum te doum 18:10:33 <Belugas> ploum ploum 18:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 45*8 18:11:44 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 360 18:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 48*8 18:11:50 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 384 18:13:29 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: those are great exercises for the grey matter 18:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: the term used in german would be "grey cells" 18:17:56 <Alberth> sounds much better :) 18:22:21 *** supermop [~daniel_er@vitsoe.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:25:01 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-127-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:28:52 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has joined #openttd 18:29:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21791 /trunk/src/terraform_cmd.cpp: 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/trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix (r20446): broken usage of GetTileOwner() caused wrong conversion of old savegames 19:01:11 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db199e4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:00 <frosch123> hehe, today is again one of those smatz-fixes-weird-old-savegames-days :) 19:02:13 <SmatZ> :-) 19:02:43 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:50 <ZirconiumX> hello 19:03:03 <SmatZ> FS#4398 would probably need conversion of TTDP RV states to OpenTTD ones... it's an RV in a roadstop 19:03:05 <SmatZ> hello ZirconiumX 19:03:28 <ZirconiumX> hello SmatZ 19:03:47 <Rubidium> SmatZ: what kind of road stop? Normal or DTRS? 19:03:57 <SmatZ> Rubidium: DTRS 19:04:37 <Rubidium> ghehe... good luck? :) 19:04:55 <SmatZ> :) 19:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i would have imagined normal road stops behave exactly the same as in original TTD 19:05:21 <SmatZ> easiest would be just to reset the RV 19:05:25 <SmatZ> so it is not loading anymore 19:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> so wouldn't need any special conversion 19:05:30 <SmatZ> just going through the stop 19:05:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: and rail stations? 19:05:52 <Rubidium> just the plain ones, without NewGRFs 19:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: how is that related? 19:06:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because rail stations aren't stored like original TTD 19:07:05 <SmatZ> :-) 19:07:07 <Rubidium> even though you would expect they don't need any special handling 19:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but there are no newgrf road stations 19:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: and no "bigger road stations" either 19:08:56 <Ammler> but multiple 19:10:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:10:07 <frosch123> not in ttdp 19:10:14 <frosch123> ttdp is a true train game :p 19:11:30 <Rubidium> SmatZ: maybe setting the "road stop" bit is enough? 19:15:13 <Rubidium> SmatZ: you're talking about the TTDP savegame from FS#4398, right? 19:15:22 <SmatZ> Rubidium: yes 19:15:32 <SmatZ> I haven't looked at the RV problem yet though 19:16:19 <Rubidium> as it's segfaulting for me for a train 19:16:40 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:44 <SmatZ> strange 19:17:00 <SmatZ> Rubidium: up-to-date trunk? 19:17:13 <Rubidium> yeah 19:17:33 <Rubidium> this->last_station_visited of a train refers to an invalid station of some sorts 19:17:44 <Rubidium> that is, Station::GetIfValid returns NULL 19:17:46 <Nite> *says thanks for the many small improovments in the latest beta you do not notice in first place but make the gameplay "even" smoother." 19:17:51 <SmatZ> I just load the game and don't do anything 19:17:55 <Nite> + e 19:18:09 <Rubidium> SmatZ: I just load the game and unpause 19:18:29 <frosch123> Nite: you're welcome 19:18:39 <ZirconiumX> Nite use /me 19:18:53 <SmatZ> openttd: /home/smatz/openttd/anon3/src/roadstop.cpp:282: void RoadStop::Entry::Leave(const RoadVehicle*): Assertion `this->occupied >= 0' failed. 19:18:57 <SmatZ> Rubidium: yeah, me too 19:19:01 <SmatZ> strange 19:19:08 <SmatZ> valgrind doesn't report anything 19:19:39 * Nite *tries what /me does* 19:20:33 * ZirconiumX /me works fine 19:21:06 <Rubidium> aha... now it's a waypoint 19:23:32 <Rubidium> SmatZ: r21790 "misses" updating waypoint orders of trains 19:24:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@82.161.133.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:30 <SmatZ> Rubidium: wasn't it broken in the original code as well? 19:24:33 <SmatZ> hmhm 19:25:15 <SmatZ> maybe not, it just worked :) 19:25:19 <SmatZ> but ... 19:25:30 <Rubidium> SmatZ: not really, as TTDP waypoints weren't converted to OpenTTD waypoints 19:26:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:56 <SmatZ> thanks for letting me know :) 19:33:45 <SmatZ> Rubidium: still I can't reproduce the segfault 19:34:26 <SmatZ> Rubidium: I think the orders are updated correctly 19:34:48 <SmatZ> hmm no, the current order is probably broken 19:34:57 <SmatZ> bah 19:36:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:27 * dihedral bah's back 19:36:33 <SmatZ> :P 19:36:54 <Rubidium> SmatZ: might have to do with different compiler/flags 19:37:06 <Rubidium> do you have a debug=3 binary with gcc 4.4? 19:37:12 <SmatZ> debug=1 19:38:43 <SmatZ> hmm ok, I am lost :) 19:39:11 <Rubidium> oh... lovely.. 19:39:32 <Rubidium> you're making a waypoint of the train station, but you let it keep the rail station tile type 19:40:13 <SmatZ> ok 19:40:18 <Rubidium> that's probably easy to fix 19:40:33 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/fixit.diff fixes the order 19:41:46 <SmatZ> is not setting spec_class to STAT_CLASS_WAYP causing the crash? 19:43:28 <Rubidium> nope 19:43:50 <Rubidium> inconsistent map compared to Waypoint/Station structs 19:44:11 <SmatZ> [20:40:16] <Rubidium> you're making a waypoint of the train station, but you let it keep the rail station tile type <== what did you mean by that? 19:44:35 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@177.95.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:04 <SmatZ> anyway :) 19:45:15 <SmatZ> does http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/fixit.diff help with the crash? 19:45:35 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@177.95.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:45:38 <Rubidium> that's roughly what I already have 19:45:44 <Rubidium> but that's not what's causing the crash for me 19:45:53 <Rubidium> just what I noticed when looking at that piece of code 19:46:25 <SmatZ> well I was confused enough by that station/basestation/waypoint code :) 19:46:45 <Rubidium> (Station::GetByTile(t) != NULL) vs IsRailStation(t) 19:46:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.43.207] has joined #openttd 19:46:59 <SmatZ> hmm 19:47:00 <SmatZ> well 19:47:05 <SmatZ> IsRailStation() can't be used 19:47:15 <SmatZ> if the map is unconverted 19:47:32 <Rubidium> for the rail station waypoints from TTDPatch IsRailStation() would be true, whereas Station::GetByTile(t) is NULL (after conversion) 19:47:40 <SmatZ> but I don't know what place are you talking about :) 19:47:52 <SmatZ> true 19:48:03 <Rubidium> I'm (still) talking about r21790 19:48:39 <SmatZ> ok 19:49:04 <SmatZ> but I still don't see any Station::GetByTile(t) / IsRailStation() there :( 19:49:17 <SmatZ> hmm 19:49:27 * SmatZ has a look 19:49:46 <SmatZ> OKAY 19:49:48 <SmatZ> thank you Rubidium :) 19:50:12 <SmatZ> will you fix that? 19:50:31 <Rubidium> I'll try 19:50:49 <SmatZ> I should have waited for you with fixing that :) 19:51:42 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:52:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21794 /trunk/src/saveload/station_sl.cpp: -Fix (r21790): convert train orders too (Rubidium) 19:52:05 <Rubidium> success! 19:52:15 <SmatZ> :-) 19:52:21 <Rubidium> well, sort of... 19:52:25 <Rubidium> now I'm hitting the other assertion 19:52:31 <SmatZ> :D 19:53:20 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:26 <SmatZ> good news is that I dont' get any crash when I stop all RVs 20:09:44 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:13:18 <Nite> is a sudden restart of a server a known prob of tehe beta3 ? 20:13:38 <Nite> restart of tehe game i mean 20:14:40 <planetmaker> not really. But an admin can trigger that without you being notified 20:15:48 <Nite> that would be rude ... but maybee 20:19:12 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:19:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:04 <dihedral> who should be notified 20:20:42 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:18 <planetmaker> and some servers just do that at a given time. poof. done 20:22:02 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-80-99-102-86.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 20:24:29 <Nite> yeh yeh, it was long before restart time announced, might be just wrong setup i guess 20:29:07 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e06ec12.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:32:39 <Rubidium> SmatZ: http://rbijker.net/openttd/wp.diff seems to do the trick for me 20:35:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08fbe9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:42 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:37:26 <slaca> hi, i found a bug in todays trunk, but can't report it: in the newobject gui scrolling doesn't work on the right side 20:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> so why can't you report it? 20:40:24 <slaca> i didn't get the validation code 20:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> is that more than 10 minutes ago? have you looked in the spam filter? 20:41:41 <slaca> ok, i get it 20:41:53 <Alberth> how does it not work? 20:42:54 <slaca> i play with vast newobject grf 20:43:12 <slaca> i choose "paths" on the left side 20:43:15 <Alberth> you have one? I looked for it, but could not find one 20:43:41 <slaca> but on the right side it shows me only 4 paths 20:43:50 <slaca> but there are more than fore 20:43:51 <slaca> 4 20:43:59 <Alberth> if you can give me a grf, I can check/test/fix 20:44:05 <SmatZ> Rubidium: well, I couldn't reproduce the crash 20:44:19 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-74.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 20:44:27 <slaca> and i have to resize the windows to see the objects 20:44:42 <slaca> ok i send it 20:45:14 <Alberth> please attach it too 20:45:47 <SmatZ> + wp->train_station.tile = INVALID_TILE; 20:45:52 <SmatZ> Rubidium: ^ is that needed? 20:46:49 <Rubidium> on second thought it isn't 20:47:20 <Rubidium> after all, we're jiffies after the constructor already setting it to INVALID_TILE ;) 20:51:24 <Alberth> good night 20:51:31 <Rubidium> night Alberth 20:51:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:52:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21795 /trunk/src/saveload/ (afterload.cpp station_sl.cpp): -Fix (r21790): when converting TTDPatch train waypoints, convert the data on the map as well 20:56:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-47-111.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:59:51 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-80-99-102-86.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 21:04:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:22 *** raidgh0st [raidghost@levende.rose.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:25 *** raidghost [raidghost@levende.rose.no] has joined #openttd 21:31:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:20 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:49 *** Markslap [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:39:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:52 *** neli [micha@112-231.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:24 <dihedral> heh - running a dd from usb dev to a file, and another process jumps in with a write speed of 300M/s 21:43:40 <dihedral> while the limiting factor of dd is the usb read spead (25M/s) 21:43:41 <dihedral> :-P 21:54:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21796 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix [FS#4398]: drive through road stop state wasn't properly converted from TTDPatch savegames 21:58:34 <JOHN-SHEPARD> hey i finally managed a good train network 21:58:39 <JOHN-SHEPARD> with on way redd light 21:59:07 <dihedral> what is one way red? 21:59:12 <dihedral> :-) 21:59:19 <dihedral> i assume i know what you mean ;-) 22:00:54 <JOHN-SHEPARD> oh 22:00:56 <JOHN-SHEPARD> one way red light 22:01:22 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:01:33 <dihedral> again, what is a one way red light? 22:02:00 <dihedral> do you have a screenshot of your network? i'd love to see it. 22:04:12 <ABCRic> dihedral: a light that shows red only one way 22:04:12 <ABCRic> but not the other :P 22:07:17 <dihedral> wow 22:07:33 <dihedral> i did not know they existed - where do you use them? 22:08:01 * dihedral is just joking ;-) 22:08:09 <dihedral> i know you mean path signals :-P 22:08:42 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its not impressive 22:08:46 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its small time 22:08:55 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its just 22:08:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21797 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Fix/Change: unify the size (in characters) of the string inputs with eachother and TTD to prevent crashes/asserts with e.g. signs that are too long 22:08:57 <JOHN-SHEPARD> green lights 22:08:59 <JOHN-SHEPARD> that go one way 22:10:15 <Eddi|zuHause> we should just have multi-line signs 22:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> character limits are silly 22:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i frequently run out of characters in e.g. group names 22:10:51 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:13:57 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:17:14 *** LordAro_ [d92b6a8e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:49 <LordAro_> stupid firefox crashed, so now there's 2 of me :) 22:17:56 <LordAro_> until the other me pings out 22:18:08 <__ln__> why aren't you using a proper irc client? 22:18:21 <LordAro_> for example? 22:18:32 <__ln__> irssi 22:18:41 <Terkhen> kvirc 22:18:51 <__ln__> microsoft comic chat 22:18:56 <Terkhen> or anything that does not crash because you are doing something unrelated to irc 22:19:10 <LordAro_> i've tried chatzilla, and irssi, but i don't like them as much 22:19:21 * planetmaker also uses chatzilla :-P 22:19:29 * LordAro_ agrees that he probably does need and alternative to mibbit though... 22:19:38 <Terkhen> __ln__: I thought you were kidding with that before googling it :O 22:19:47 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:19:54 <LordAro_> oh good 22:19:59 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 22:20:04 <LordAro> :D 22:20:13 <planetmaker> anyway... night time. Good night :-) 22:20:29 <Terkhen> good night planetmaker 22:20:32 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@177.95.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:33 <LordAro> night planetmaker 22:21:33 <__ln__> Terkhen: it's really an innovative product.. but sadly doesn't support UTF-8. 22:22:03 <Terkhen> heh :) 22:22:33 <JOHN-SHEPARD> hey i have a question 22:22:43 <JOHN-SHEPARD> http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7059/zedfzefezef.png 22:22:44 <frosch123> wtf? 6 lines on the screen 22:22:46 <JOHN-SHEPARD> how can i work this out 22:22:50 <__ln__> it's also the origin of the notorious Comic Sans font. 22:23:02 <JOHN-SHEPARD> i want to have this little y way 22:23:08 <JOHN-SHEPARD> that splits and gets back after 22:23:15 <Terkhen> now that font makes a bit of sense :) 22:23:18 <frosch123> is that the origin of lol and thx? because you cannot fit more into the bubbles? :p 22:23:21 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and when a train goes to the section 22:23:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21798 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix: loading a TTO savegame failed after loading a TTDP savegame with vehicle multiplier bigger than 1 22:23:28 <JOHN-SHEPARD> if it goes insode one of the branch 22:23:39 <JOHN-SHEPARD> it will be told to stop if the way is blocked 22:23:42 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:49 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and wait till its free 22:23:58 <Terkhen> frosch123: IMO it is lazyness 22:24:10 <Terkhen> at least that's why I use IMO 22:24:22 <Yexo> put path signals just before the lines merge again and remove all signals further on the line 22:24:40 <JOHN-SHEPARD> wait 22:24:46 <JOHN-SHEPARD> yes i just did that 22:24:47 <JOHN-SHEPARD> ok 22:25:49 <Terkhen> good night 22:28:14 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:21 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@177.95.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:36:58 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:40:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-47-111.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:41:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0a44.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:11 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 22:44:25 <dihedral> Gentoo is not anymore what it once was :-( 22:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean clumsy and arcane? 22:45:22 <Rubidium> bleeding edge? 22:45:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.173.205] has joined #openttd 22:48:47 <DanMacK> Hey Andy 22:49:56 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 22:52:26 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 22:53:03 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK 22:55:54 <dihedral> i do recall enjoying gentoo in 2003/2004 22:58:01 <Ammler> maybe you aren't what you were :-) 22:58:07 <frosch123> is that related to gentoo, or to your own age? 22:58:21 <Ammler> frosch123: confirmed :-P 22:59:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.173.205] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:01:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.173.205] has joined #openttd 23:04:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.173.205] has quit [] 23:05:02 <dihedral> http://www.p1sim.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Coding <- find the funny 23:06:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.173.205] has joined #openttd 23:11:07 <ABCRic> dihedral: you have to be more specific :P 23:11:49 <dihedral> programming language: c/c++, compiler: not decided 23:12:08 *** LordAro_ [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:16 <Rubidium> dihedral: but he's using C# + XNA 23:12:29 <ABCRic> dihedral: there are many C/C++ compilers 23:12:35 <dihedral> not according to that wiki page thogh, :-P 23:12:53 * LordAro_ is trying kvirc... 23:13:02 <ABCRic> I'm not sure why he'd make a specific one a requirement though 23:13:10 <dihedral> exactly 23:13:16 <andythenorth> bed time 23:13:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.173.205] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:13:23 <frosch123> "Collision Detection: no library needed" <- that maybe? 23:13:38 <dihedral> :-P 23:14:00 <ABCRic> hrm... isn't collision detection a 3D-related thing? 23:14:05 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:14:07 <Lakie> I guess it depends on what you are using? A lot of open source projects with makefiles tend not to work so well with windows based compilers... 23:14:19 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 23:14:22 <Rubidium> dihedral: I think the "Network" bullet is the first bullet that isn't funny 23:15:08 <Rubidium> programming language: he's actually going for C# 23:15:25 <Lakie> Yeah, he stated xna and c# early in the thread 23:15:28 <Rubidium> target platform: he says he can't test anything but Windows 23:15:37 <dihedral> hehe - out of laziness, and complained when the thread in his forums was used to discuss a possible alternative :-D 23:15:38 <Lakie> xna would likely wrap up moth things for him 23:15:39 <Rubidium> version control: he doesn't want to use it 23:15:58 <Rubidium> IDE: C# and Windows, what do *you* think... 23:16:05 <Rubidium> compiler: see above 23:16:21 <Lakie> Heh, visual studio (c# if express)... 23:16:44 <dihedral> 'With "passive game data", i mean data that is not manipulated every second of a game. That's data like graphics, savegames, settings and translations.' 23:16:51 <dihedral> i thought that was called 'static' :-P 23:17:37 <Lakie> I though translations and graphics are refered to as assets 23:18:52 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 23:18:59 <dihedral> http://www.p1sim.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Financing <- hehe donation gives multiple votes ? :-P 23:19:06 <dihedral> and what would votes be used for :-P 23:21:36 <ABCRic> voting! :D 23:24:05 <ABCRic> wait, there are actual plans for the timeline of the project? 23:24:56 <ABCRic> I'm going to time-travel to April 2013 and see if 1.0 is good 23:26:01 <DanMacK> let us know when you get back 23:27:02 <DanMacK> I mean it has potential... be cool to see if he actually pulls it off 23:27:26 <dihedral> ... 23:27:43 <DanMacK> big "if" there 23:28:10 <DanMacK> Alot have tried to better TTD and failed.. 23:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remember the guy who demanded that OpenTTD get a "big" project leader? 23:28:57 <DanMacK> No... and there's probably a reason for that :P 23:29:29 <dihedral> i remember a lot of guys who demanded <something> 23:30:18 <DanMacK> Later all 23:30:25 <Prof_Frink> We demand that we are philosophers! 23:30:58 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:31:32 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:10 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 23:37:28 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:50 <ABCRic> 'night all 23:47:49 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@177.95.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has left #openttd [] 23:49:57 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF80DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably have suggested this before, but instead of outright forbidding changing newgrfs, we should have introduced a warning dialog: 23:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> "have you read the readme about the problems that can occur with changing newgrfs? [yes] [no]" 23:57:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "have you _really_ read the readme about the problems that can occur with changing newgrfs? [maybe] [no]" 23:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> "have you _actually_ read the readme about the problems that can occur with changing newgrfs? [no]"