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before Wikipedia 02:21:51 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-252-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:13 <Nite> here it is 3rd ... 02:34:26 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-252-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:39 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-219-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:03:02 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:41 *** murr4y [~murray@122.84-48-65.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:23:29 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfab1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:27:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b0e3:a70a:5dab:8099] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:31 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:15 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 04:30:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d52e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:52 *** George is now known as 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quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:24:50 <peter1138> well then, my quad core system uses 130W at idle... 09:25:46 <peter1138> managed to get it up to 200W under load 09:25:55 <peter1138> so why do i have a 600W PSU in it? 09:26:09 <Noldo> someone sold it to you 09:26:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has joined #openttd 09:26:49 <peter1138> There's an 8800GT in there, and 3 HDDs... 09:27:53 <__ln__> peter1138: because PSUs' optimal operating condition is not 100% load. 09:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you also need to put the graphics card under load 09:35:56 *** lightekk [~lightekk@15.13.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause> but 600W sounds slightly overpowered still 09:37:31 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i was undecided between 430W and 500W 09:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> for my hexacore 09:39:24 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-67-49.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:57 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc16-aztw25-2-0-cust45.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:41:59 <planetmaker> moin 09:45:33 <peter1138> __ln__, neither is it 33% 09:46:03 <__ln__> peter1138: why not? 09:46:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:02 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: moat PSUs have their optimum at around 90% and have drastically lower efficiency if it deviates from that 09:47:03 <peter1138> apparently they're most efficient at 50-75% load 09:47:09 <peter1138> or 90%? 09:47:10 <peter1138> who knows 09:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> in any case, 30% sounds way out of the optimal range :p 09:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you can assume that the higher the range, the more expensive the PSU 09:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but presuming you measured the "outside" consumption when you got these 130W, the PSU seems to be pretty good 09:51:13 <peter1138> http://www.anandtech.com/show/2624/3 09:51:17 <peter1138> ^ doesn't look that bad 09:51:23 <peter1138> (for that specific supply anyway) 09:51:28 <peter1138> yeah, true, i did 09:55:43 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:55:50 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 10:01:36 <andythenorth_> sulphur mine for FIRS? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12301421 10:13:11 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has joined #openttd 10:33:08 <DoubleYou> andythenorth_: where would it be processed? :) 10:33:22 <andythenorth_> dunno 10:34:20 <DoubleYou> i know sulfur has been collected similarly for quite a while, although i haven't heard that they did it from an active volcano where it just pours out like that 10:34:36 <DoubleYou> pretty impressive 10:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> we need to implement programmable signals. MB starts to sound like a broken record... 10:36:20 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, lovely... and how should that influence the pathfinder? 10:37:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: by a penalty. what other way is there to influence a pathfinder? 10:38:06 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-98.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:58 <Rubidium> but... will the signal always show red, i.e. the train must NOT be routed through there, or will it eventually become green, i.e. the train should not but CAN be routed through there 10:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: what i am worried about the most is the lack of entry-signal in pbs-stations 10:39:40 <Rubidium> aren't they all entry signals? 10:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i mean a signal directly in front of the platform, for assigning trains to platforms 10:40:43 <Rubidium> that'd then be exit signals 10:41:16 <Rubidium> and falls back to: a signal that can be red, but isn't a safe waiting point 10:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it'd be silly to assign "entry" rules to "exit" signals 10:41:57 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but it's where you're allowed to exit the signal block 10:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: my point is, players should not have to readd these signals, after PBS removed the need for those 10:43:53 *** lightekk [~lightekk@15.13.broadband2.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 10:44:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so you need some way to tell the actual entry signal, which exits are preferred, without having signals on these exits 10:52:24 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:53:07 <JVassie> I'm running ChillCore's pathpack and trying to set up some timetables, how come the 'start date' box is greyed out permanently? 10:53:22 <JVassie> (r21900M) 10:55:41 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-67-49.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 11:01:42 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc16-aztw25-2-0-cust45.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 11:02:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has joined #openttd 11:04:52 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:19 <Terkhen> JVassie: did you test if the same occurs in a nightly or beta? 11:13:05 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> my guess it's something the automatted timetable and separation patch does. 11:18:31 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfab1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:41 <lugo> mornings 11:18:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:20:24 <Terkhen> hi lugo 11:22:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has joined #openttd 11:28:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:40:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has joined #openttd 11:42:39 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:25 *** jpm_ [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:55 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:19 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:47 <JVassie> Terkhen, no i haven't 11:46:50 <JVassie> actually 11:47:18 <JVassie> i know r21054M works fine 11:47:53 <Terkhen> JVassie: then you should ask at the patchpack thread, as it is probably something related to the patches mentioned by Eddi 11:48:06 <JVassie> ok will do 11:48:07 <JVassie> :) 11:48:07 <JVassie> thx 11:48:13 <Terkhen> yw 11:49:37 <JVassie> couldnt see anything in the automated tiemtable thread about it, but didnt read every post of course 11:51:00 <Rubidium> but he adds multiple patches together which will collide with eachother, so it might very well be something of the patchpack itself 11:51:12 <Ammler> lzma detection is failing sometime 11:51:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.6.141] has joined #openttd 11:52:00 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:36 <Ammler> if I build dedicated version, it doesn't detect liblzma 4.999.9beta 11:55:41 <Ammler> what could be the difference? 11:58:03 <Rubidium> missing something 11:58:29 <Rubidium> like pkg-config 11:59:20 <Ammler> yep :-) 11:59:44 <Ammler> now I need to check, which of the gui package installs that 12:02:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:02:16 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFE56F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has joined #openttd 12:03:37 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72e799.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:36 <Rubidium> which in essence means liblzma2-devel (or whaterver it's called) is missing a dependency 12:09:11 <Ammler> pkg-config isn't the failure 12:09:29 <Ammler> pkg-config on the gui version doesn't return something 12:09:57 <Rubidium> pkg-config liblzma --modversion really should return something 12:11:33 <Ammler> hmm, indeed, strange 12:13:02 <Ammler> non-suse distors don't even know the package pkg-config 12:20:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFE56F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:19 <Ammler> https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=openttd-dedicated&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop&repository=openSUSE_11.1 <-- xz-devel is installed but not detected 12:23:09 <Ammler> https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=openttd&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop&repository=openSUSE_11.1 <-- non-dedicated version detects it 12:24:44 <Ammler> this only happen with zx < 5.0 12:25:19 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:25:44 <Ammler> openSUSE 11.3 with xz 5.0.1 works fine 12:26:19 <Ammler> also on Fedora with 4.999 works 12:27:02 <Ammler> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=openttd.spec&package=openttd&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop <-- spec 12:30:27 <Ammler> :-( no idea 12:34:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:35:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:39:49 *** fjb is now known as Guest836 12:39:50 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFCC23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:45 *** Guest836 [~frank@p5DDFE56F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:58 <Ammler> I just added pkg-config for older suses manually :-/ 12:57:51 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.204.183] has joined #openttd 12:59:20 <dihedral> good morning 12:59:25 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.107.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:53 *** murr4y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:00:05 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22035 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: refactor (display) unit conversion to happen at a single place 13:05:16 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22036 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: rename units to match coding style, and give conversion variables a more descriptive name 13:10:14 <dihedral> Yexo, planetmaker: is hiding settings not a solution? allowing a button to toggle which settings are visible? 13:10:21 <dihedral> i.e. full or basic 13:10:59 <dihedral> and then also get all settings into the gui, but hidden by default (e.g. the penalty settings for yapf) 13:11:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a1a7:36de:c136:b7b4] has joined #openttd 13:11:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:13:01 <Rubidium> dihedral: psychology 101; oh, more settings! I want! So 99% will have full turned on, regardless whether it's useful for them 13:13:23 <SmatZ> hehe :) 13:13:50 <Rubidium> and then they mess with the pathfinder settings and we are basically screwed as we have to support them 13:15:21 <andythenorth> can't we just quietly garden out settings 13:15:33 <andythenorth> say, two per minor version or something 13:15:55 <andythenorth> mm 13:16:14 <andythenorth> when me and the maker of planets were last looking at GUI - there was talk of consolidating a lot of settings 13:16:19 <andythenorth> or at least menus 13:16:37 <dihedral> Rubidium, normal psychology does not work with our clients :-D 13:16:50 <andythenorth> there's a mini-blizzard of game options / difficulty settings / advanced settings / options from the game menus 13:16:53 <Rubidium> dihedral: that's why it's 101 psychology 13:17:00 <dihedral> :-D 13:17:07 <dihedral> it was just an idea ;-) 13:17:16 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I agree there are too many places for settings 13:17:24 <Rubidium> though unifying settings is somewhat troublesome 13:17:27 <andythenorth> we did start figuring out how to clean it up 13:17:32 <dihedral> the task i am looking at is trying to get that bot ready in time for the stable release :-P 13:17:33 <andythenorth> it wasn't just a case of 'easy to say' 13:17:39 <andythenorth> we actually did do some work 13:17:43 <andythenorth> but it was a while ago :( 13:17:51 <andythenorth> and users did whine about some of our ideas 13:18:01 <andythenorth> omg 13:18:15 <dihedral> andythenorth, users always whine about something 13:18:16 <andythenorth> is tool tip hover time really need an easy-to-get to setting? 13:18:28 <andythenorth> this is a bit like windows 95 13:18:33 <dihedral> as long as they don't give constructive feedback, you can simpile 2>&1 >/dev/null 13:18:34 <andythenorth> crappy options for everything 13:19:11 <Ammler> andythenorth: there are already way too few settings available 13:19:31 <andythenorth> :P 13:19:47 * andythenorth thinks a lot of them make sense 13:19:54 <andythenorth> and some are bonkers 13:19:59 * dihedral misses the unique id though :-P 13:20:01 <Ammler> openttd is too much ruled by devs 13:20:12 <dihedral> pffft, Ammler 13:20:29 <andythenorth> is a choice of pathfinder really still useful in the GUI? 13:20:33 <dihedral> or are you implying that you miss a project manager? 13:20:45 <dihedral> at least for ships :-P 13:20:59 <andythenorth> dihedral: it's not useful for ships 13:21:15 <andythenorth> using anything but original will leave the game stuttering with more than about 50 ships 13:21:19 <Ammler> andythenorth: oh, you meant just settings available from gui... 13:21:29 <dihedral> andythenorth, so? 13:21:36 <dihedral> i might still want it for my ships 13:21:44 <andythenorth> so go edit the config 13:21:44 <dihedral> because i might play a single player game and only need like 10 13:22:02 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22037 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: remove some unneeded (hidden) casting 13:22:09 * andythenorth routes dihedral's suggestion to /dev/null 13:22:22 <andythenorth> why would I want to disable electric rails? 13:23:03 <planetmaker> the main issue is the three to 6 different places for settings (depending on how you count) 13:23:14 <andythenorth> planetmaker: we did have a good think about this before 13:23:21 <planetmaker> yeah, I recall that... 13:23:30 <andythenorth> a lot of the interesting / useful options in advanced settings relate to difficulty 13:23:36 <Ammler> the cheat menu is useless 13:23:36 <andythenorth> or setting up a competitive MP game 13:23:38 <planetmaker> can you make my days have 48 hours? ;-) 13:24:12 <andythenorth> :) 13:24:17 * andythenorth has a baby 13:24:23 <andythenorth> my days have about three hours 13:24:26 <andythenorth> the baby gets the rest of them 13:24:31 <planetmaker> options, adv. settings, cheat, difficulty, newgrf, ai, transparency, graphics settings (ingame menu),... 13:24:44 <andythenorth> I can't see many really pointless GUI settings 13:24:52 <andythenorth> I reckon they could be counted on two hands 13:24:58 <Ammler> yes, difficulty menu is also useless 13:25:10 <planetmaker> quite 13:25:13 <andythenorth> it's probably not too much pain to garden some away into 'edit config' 13:25:30 <planetmaker> there was the idea to move the "difficulty" to a newgrf reported difficulty and be done with it. 13:25:40 <planetmaker> so a setting to control newgrfs 13:25:48 <planetmaker> I like it actually ;-) 13:25:55 <Ammler> there should rather be a kind of settings preset like we already have for newgrfs 13:26:02 <planetmaker> that's another issue 13:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the approach with different "levels" of visible options is the most promising: few/medium/all/really all 13:26:10 <planetmaker> But unrelated to removing difficulty 13:26:30 <Ammler> difficulty level is a kind of setting presets 13:26:40 <planetmaker> I don't like "really all" for the reason Rubidium said: the non-GUI settings are non-GUI for a reason 13:27:55 <Ammler> few=the settings from create a new map 13:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "really all" could be a non-GUI option ;) 13:28:55 <planetmaker> that *might* be an option 13:29:28 <Ammler> it would also be nice, if you could enable MP gui via rcon or so 13:29:30 <andythenorth> we did before consolidate to something like this "http://tt-foundry.com/misc/game_setup_gui_1b.png 13:29:38 <andythenorth> there would still be a 'settings' somewhere 13:29:44 <andythenorth> which would act like application preferences 13:30:00 <andythenorth> we distinguished gameplay settings / behaviour from app settings / behaviour 13:30:14 <andythenorth> then we agreed it was a big project 13:30:21 <andythenorth> and we did nothing else :P 13:30:33 <andythenorth> but alberth shipped a new newgrf gui 13:30:33 <planetmaker> I still all have that... but time... :-) 13:30:38 <andythenorth> the end 13:30:42 <andythenorth> :) 13:30:49 <planetmaker> he :-) 13:30:58 <andythenorth> I'm not that arsed about it at the moment 13:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> random thought: presets could work like transparency settings. there the presets are "all on" and "all off", but you can ctrl+click to force keeping a setting on preset change 13:31:14 <andythenorth> I would rather right now murder some of the stupider settings 13:31:19 <andythenorth> then do RoadTypes :D 13:31:45 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, what is "on" or "off" with "town permissivity": hostile / medium / lovely ? 13:31:57 <planetmaker> (or however it's actually called) 13:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: well, the names or the contents of the presets would need to be discussed. 13:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure there should be user-definable presets as well (like newgrf presets) 13:33:53 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: this was more about the "lock this setting" feature 13:33:59 <Rubidium> planetmaker: with a fast plane you actually can, though you would have to sacrifice half the days 13:35:50 <Rubidium> yeah, all on == set everything to 1. I'd love that... 13:36:06 <Rubidium> massive pathfinder breakage 13:36:15 <Rubidium> trains turning around after a day at signals 13:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> now you're just misunderstanding me non purpose 13:38:52 <Rubidium> nah, I'm just lagging 13:39:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:39:21 <Rubidium> took a while to actually understand the idea 13:41:23 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 13:41:56 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.204.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:13 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, presets for the settings are definitely a good idea (from my personal POV) 13:43:33 <planetmaker> It'd ease my task to create different games for different servers / purposes 13:44:02 <Rubidium> that'd mean a complete revamp of the configuration file format 13:44:48 <Rubidium> oh... and to hell with it: I'd even suggest something like xml, as nesting with xml is so much easier 13:45:13 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.213.148] has joined #openttd 13:45:20 <Rubidium> though making the schema could be somewhat non-trivial, although... I think it can be autogenerated 13:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the last time we completely revamped the config file, we got endless amounts of complaints from people who went back and forth between stable and new stable :p 13:46:32 <andythenorth> Rubidium: :o 13:46:40 <andythenorth> a valid use for xml? 13:46:43 <andythenorth> how bizarre :) 13:47:00 <Rubidium> I'd suggest to not even try reading the old configuration file 13:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> there ARE valid (to some) uses of violence as well :p 13:47:21 <andythenorth> OS X uses xml for storing preferences 13:47:23 <andythenorth> it's slightly sane 13:47:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's probably less problematic than trying to do pseudo-nesting in ini-files 13:53:34 *** murr5y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:59:54 *** murr4y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:28 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@76.67.82.241] has joined #openttd 14:03:38 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:08:03 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK 14:08:55 <avdg> hi 14:11:48 <Belugas> hello 14:31:00 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:24 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:39:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:29 <andythenorth> how do I use string code 9A0Dh in this UTF string? 14:40:29 <andythenorth> 1627 * 25 04 0B B8 01 3A DC C3 9E "\UE07C of bauxite" 00 14:45:18 <peter1138> UTF-8 encode it 14:45:26 <andythenorth> frick 14:45:29 <andythenorth> this is annoying :) 14:45:34 <andythenorth> -1 * 0 04 0B LANG_ID2 01 STR_CRG_BAUXITE_CARGOAMOUNT UTF_STRING "A" 0D TEXT_CRG_BAUXITE_CARGOAMOUNT 00 14:45:44 <Rubidium> just 9A 0D ? 14:45:52 <peter1138> oh, 9A 0D 14:45:58 <peter1138> that's not the same as 9A0D 14:47:18 <andythenorth> ok 14:47:18 <andythenorth> -1 * 0 04 0B LANG_ID2 01 STR_CRG_BAUXITE_CARGOAMOUNT UTF_STRING 9A 0D TEXT_CRG_BAUXITE_CARGOAMOUNT 00 14:47:28 <andythenorth> produces this: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/string_codes.png 14:47:44 <andythenorth> do I need to explicitly dump this item from the stack? 14:48:09 <Rubidium> what does TEXT_CRG_BAUXITE_CARGOAMOUNT contain? 14:48:23 <andythenorth> #define TEXT_CRG_BAUXITE_CARGOAMOUNT "\UE07C of bauxite" 14:48:35 <Rubidium> well, then remove the \UE07C 14:48:40 <andythenorth> what does that do? 14:48:46 <Rubidium> that's what the 3,221,209,136 comes from 14:48:49 <andythenorth> I thought that prevented unicode explosions? 14:49:14 <Rubidium> andythenorth: StringCodes | 7C Print signed word 14:49:26 * andythenorth does face palm 14:49:33 <andythenorth> today is not a good day for me reading spec correctly :( 14:50:54 * andythenorth does declare win 14:50:55 <andythenorth> thanks :) 14:54:14 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has joined #openttd 14:55:19 <avdg> bleh, the wiki is slow now 14:56:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:57:34 <Wolf01> hello 14:57:38 <avdg> hi 14:59:06 * andythenorth ponders 14:59:21 <andythenorth> 'n tonnes' is available as a string code 14:59:25 <andythenorth> 'n crates' may not be 14:59:31 <andythenorth> although I may just be overlooking it 15:00:38 <Rubidium> crates isn't as it isn't configurable by the user 15:00:53 <andythenorth> ok 15:01:01 <andythenorth> I'll just construct strings for those ones 15:05:19 <andythenorth> I thought I would be able to print 'crates' as a substring using 81 54 00 15:05:24 <andythenorth> but that doesn't seem to work 15:07:11 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 15:08:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:11 <andythenorth> hmm 15:12:02 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 15:12:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:14:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has left #openttd [] 15:14:33 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.213.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:09 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 15:16:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:27:03 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:32:57 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:31 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-212-185.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:40:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-242-114.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:38 <Wolfsherz> excuse me, but where can i download a *recent* version of "Total Town Replacement Set"? someone knows? 15:44:49 <planetmaker> we don'te excuse to not have used the online content available from ingame, I'm afraid 15:44:58 <planetmaker> or define 'recent' 15:47:49 <Wolfsherz> when using FIRS it states that i should use ttrs 3.02b, but in online content there it only version 3.02a available. 15:48:22 <planetmaker> ha, ok :-) 15:48:45 <planetmaker> There's no 3.02b around, but I created some updated version of TTRS, but that indeed is not yet on bananas. 15:48:48 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1062C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:59 <planetmaker> Find it at the DevZone: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ttrs 15:49:22 <planetmaker> Probably I should finish the edits soonish and upload it as 3.10 ;-) 15:49:32 <Wolfsherz> thank you planetmaker =) 15:51:08 <planetmaker> with the old TTRS you'd get banks dealing with sand ;-) - so it has to be incompatible with FIRS ;-) 15:53:29 <Wolfsherz> i see =) another question, you state that dbsetxl is partially supported, what does that mean exactly? 15:54:01 <planetmaker> it doesn't supply wagons for all cargos 15:54:42 <planetmaker> there's somewhere an extension to the dbset which fixes things for FIRS 0.5.x - but might be that it again broke for 0.6. I haven't tested it 15:55:04 <Wolfsherz> hm :( i love dbsetxl... 15:55:13 <planetmaker> And the author unfortunately never uploads his newgrfs to bananas, so finding it is made a pain to all for whatever reason. 15:56:30 <planetmaker> maybe you can convince him ;-) 15:57:02 <Wolfsherz> i dont think i can ... 15:57:18 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22038 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Fix (r21406): Tab completion in chat did not cycle through all possible options. 15:58:07 <planetmaker> I'd buy you a beer if you could ;-) 15:58:39 *** LaSeandre [~Sean@5ad596b6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5E3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:52 <Wolfsherz> still fiddling around and trying to get a nice set of newgrfs for my games 16:02:59 <Wolfsherz> sorry, but i'll need to drop firs until there is a proper dbsetxl support for it. 16:03:13 <Wolfsherz> dont want to play with american trains =) 16:03:31 <Terkhen> isn't there a FIRS addon for it? 16:04:05 <Wolfsherz> there is, but as planetmaker stated, its just partially supported 16:04:10 <Terkhen> oh, sorry :) 16:04:52 <planetmaker> Terkhen, I'm not sure about the (new) alcohol cargo. Most probable it is supported, but I don't really know 16:06:21 <Terkhen> I see :) 16:16:20 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:17:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5E3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:19:08 <DanMacK> DBXL FIRS extension does support Alcohol 16:19:23 <planetmaker> good to know. Thanks .-) 16:19:29 <planetmaker> ^ Wolfsherz 16:20:12 <DanMacK> EGRVTS on the other hand 16:20:22 <Wolfsherz> hmm, well then i'll give it a shot :) thank you DanMacK and planetmaker 16:25:23 <planetmaker> hm, yes, read that with egrvts. sad :-( 16:25:46 <planetmaker> let's hope he'll bring out just a tiny bug fix to the current version which fixes that very issue 16:25:56 <planetmaker> that'd be quite enough for the time being 16:30:48 * Terkhen would also like a power/tractive effort revision of EGRVTS 16:34:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 16:35:12 <planetmaker> :-) 16:35:52 <planetmaker> I wonder whether Zephyris can be talked into an intermediate release, w/o new graphics, but with these fixes and additions 16:36:39 <Terkhen> that would be great, but it sounds like the most boring part :) 16:37:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:39:19 <planetmaker> I'll ask / prod him ;-) 16:39:56 <Terkhen> ok :) 16:40:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A095.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:10:21 <supermop> hello 17:12:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has joined #openttd 17:13:25 <DanMacK> Hey supermop, WB Andy 17:17:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7963.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:34 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@027c820f.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:01 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5E3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:41 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:56 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.213.148] has joined #openttd 17:50:08 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:00:10 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:04 <IchGuckLive> Hi all , when i plant trees in the desert,does it give me on any point a green land ? 18:01:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:38 <andythenorth> no 18:02:14 <IchGuckLive> Thanks 18:04:51 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 18:07:25 <supermop> how is everyone? 18:09:36 <DanMacK> not bad, enjoying my day off. you? 18:10:08 <andythenorth> DanMacK: you have painting time? :P 18:10:11 <andythenorth> :) 18:11:03 <DanMacK> Perhaps... 18:11:09 * DanMacK wonders what to paint... 18:11:22 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:55 <Belugas> my house 18:22:46 <peter1138> paint it black 18:23:07 <Ammler> or transparent 18:23:36 <peter1138> i don't think there was ever a song called "or transparent" 18:25:36 <DanMacK> heh 18:31:00 <Belugas> :D 18:31:33 <Belugas> I see a red door and I want it paint in black... 18:33:05 * andythenorth ponders industry 'upgrading' again 18:33:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:33:50 <andythenorth> is there a way to shuffle the contents of some tiles off to some memory for a bit... 18:33:57 <andythenorth> then try overbuilding them, if fails, shuffle the contents back 18:34:03 <andythenorth> and the game doesn't notice :P 18:34:24 <dihedral> oi 18:34:28 <Terkhen> IIRC something like that is done for testing vehicle refits 18:35:15 <andythenorth> it would make sense 18:35:34 <Hirundo> it's certainly possible with turing machines 18:41:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A095.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 18:41:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A095.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:39 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22039 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt dutch.txt korean.txt serbian.txt): 18:45:39 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:39 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 changes by habell 18:45:39 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: korean - 3 changes by junho2813 18:45:39 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 99 changes by Luis_Mizuchiro 18:45:41 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: serbian - 1 changes by etran 18:46:41 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:47:19 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22040 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: handle case where too many Engines would be loaded, and ensure we don't overfill the SpriteGroup pool 18:49:10 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbml.] 18:54:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 18:56:02 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: smatz * r22041 /trunk/src/ (core/pool_func.hpp core/pool_type.hpp stdafx.h): -Codechange: add a check that we called PoolItem::CanAllocateItem() before actually allocating it 18:56:54 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: smatz * r22042 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix: when loading a TTO/TTD savegame, verify we can allocate a CargoPacket before actually trying to do so 18:59:46 <andythenorth> are cargo icons used anywhere besides station window? 19:07:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:07:25 *** Fenris3 [~fenris@p5DC6ADDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:01 <Alberth> not even at the refit window :( 19:12:34 <Terkhen> it would be nice to display them there, yes :) 19:12:41 * Zuu pounders displaying the NewGRF window when clicking on new scenario/SE-button and then when you okay the NewGRF settings, a new scenario is created in the editor. 19:13:58 <andythenorth> dunno if I can be bothered to test them 19:14:04 <andythenorth> I am updating them 19:14:10 <andythenorth> but delivering to 32 stations is dull 19:14:32 <andythenorth> can the industry chain view use them? 19:15:18 *** LaSeandre [~Sean@5ad596b6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:45 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:22:54 <Alberth> trails of cargo bits instead of coloured bars? 19:23:31 <andythenorth> bleach 19:23:40 <andythenorth> just once next to the name? 19:23:43 <andythenorth> I'm not sure it will look good 19:23:50 * Alberth donates a farm feeder suggestion to the firs wiki page 19:25:09 <andythenorth> yay 19:26:59 <Alberth> hmm, the PDF page is also not yet linked there 19:28:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:55 <andythenorth> PDF page? 19:29:10 <Alberth> with all the industries and cargoes between them 19:29:36 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/economies 19:32:05 <supermop> hmm, 19:32:24 <supermop> can a house influence what houses may located near it? 19:33:11 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-117.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:46 <supermop> ie, 'house A' is very rare, but has a higher chaance of appearing on a tile next to aanother 'house a' 19:39:35 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=913596#p913596 19:42:00 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 19:49:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:51:31 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 20:09:41 <andythenorth> hmm 20:09:42 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52827 20:09:46 <andythenorth> he's not actually wrong 20:09:48 <andythenorth> still 20:11:25 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:08 <Alberth> the theory is nice, practice will be very different :) 20:12:36 * andythenorth wonders what he was coding 20:12:38 <andythenorth> brain freeze 20:12:45 <andythenorth> hmm 20:12:46 <andythenorth> cargo icons 20:12:51 <Alberth> a firs wiki page :p 20:13:05 <andythenorth> the 'community' can do that :) 20:14:13 <Alberth> and I was so curious for some secret tips from the master of firs :) 20:14:23 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:26 <andythenorth> deliver stuff 20:14:29 <andythenorth> get more stuff 20:14:34 <andythenorth> deliver it to other places 20:14:41 <andythenorth> transfers are good 20:14:51 <andythenorth> hmm 20:14:57 <andythenorth> seen the tao of python? 20:15:01 <andythenorth> maybe tao of FIRS... 20:16:20 <andythenorth> hmm 20:16:33 <andythenorth> the tao of python pretty much *is* the tao of FIRS :o 20:17:04 <andythenorth> "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it. 20:17:04 <andythenorth> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch." 20:17:15 <andythenorth> FooBar is dutch :) 20:19:49 <Alberth> is FIRS turing complete? 20:19:59 <andythenorth> I have *no* idea :) 20:20:02 <andythenorth> how do you test that? 20:24:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabf77.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:06 <Alberth> in practice Turing completeness means that the rules followed in sequence on arbitrary data can produce the result of any calculation. This requires, at a minimum, conditional branching (an "if" and "goto" statement) and the ability to change arbitrary memory locations 20:24:11 <Alberth> according to wikipedia 20:26:23 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:35 <andythenorth> probably not turing complete then 20:26:58 <andythenorth> is nfo turing complete? 20:32:13 <Alberth> does it have a sequence of instructions? 20:33:24 <andythenorth> it has bytes in a row 20:33:26 <andythenorth> :P 20:34:18 <andythenorth> we should apply this to patches get blocked by trying to find the perfect way to do things: 20:34:21 <andythenorth> "Now is better than never." 20:35:09 <Alberth> I would be happy to have my patch working at all, currently :) 20:35:23 <Rubidium> andythenorth: so you'd like to use the old PBS implementation? 20:35:53 <andythenorth> yes please 20:35:56 <Rubidium> (even the new PBS implementation wasn't perfect in the begin) 20:36:01 <andythenorth> if you could just add a setting for the old one... 20:38:06 <Alberth> I told you practice is different :) 20:39:55 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:45:21 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22043 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: invalidate the right windows when a part of a train is flipped in the depot 20:45:52 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22044 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4493]: update the consist cache when a part of a train is flipped in the depot 20:49:18 *** Markk_ [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:56 *** LaSeandre [~Sean@5ad596b6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:08 *** LaSeandre_ [~Sean@5ad596b6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:28 *** LaSeandre_ is now known as LaSeandre 20:57:00 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:28 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:57:40 * andythenorth stares at 94 open FIRS tickets 20:58:14 <andythenorth> better than 4494 fs tickets :P 20:58:14 <Alberth> anyone interesting enough to solve? 20:58:22 <andythenorth> maybe not tonight 20:58:51 <andythenorth> I need to stop industry smoke animation being in sync 20:58:54 <andythenorth> dunno how yet 20:59:12 <Alberth> luckily most of those 4000 are closed already :) 21:04:44 * andythenorth ponders a patch for fencing tiles 21:06:37 *** Markk_ is now known as Markk 21:06:43 *** Markk is now known as Markslap 21:07:09 *** Markslap is now known as Markk 21:12:36 * andythenorth suspects the answer will be 'do it nfo' 21:12:42 <andythenorth> :| 21:21:58 *** LaSeandre [~Sean@5ad596b6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:01 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:31 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:56 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72e799.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:39:35 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frosch * r22045 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Move cancelling the current loading order on deleting the current order to a separate function. 21:40:45 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frosch * r22046 /trunk/src/ (order_cmd.cpp order_func.h saveload/afterload.cpp): -Fix [FS#4487]: Make sure order indices stay in range when copying, sharing, unsharing or deleting all orders. 21:42:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7963.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:06 *** Fenris3 [~fenris@p5DC6ADDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:50:19 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@5ad596b6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:10 *** lugo- [~lugo@89.238.177.145] has joined #openttd 21:52:13 *** Chillosophy [Chillosoph@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:53:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-110-82.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:57:09 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:13 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:25 <dihedral> Zuu, everything is grey at night :-P 22:03:14 <andythenorth> good night 22:03:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.125.32] has left #openttd [] 22:04:57 <Rubidium> dihedral: really? I've done this research... and in the European summer at the north pole it's light at night, and in the winter it's light at the south pole. So, at either pole it's light in the winter and summer, so currently "day night" works just fine 22:05:32 <dihedral> i did not know openttd had poles :-P 22:05:39 *** Chillosophy [Chillosoph@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:45 <Rubidium> dihedral: I'm talking about the real world here 22:05:46 *** Chillosophy [Chillosoph@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:57 <Zuu> Also if I look out of my window I only see black and lights. 22:05:58 <Chris_Booth_> I didn't know openttd had day cycles 22:06:19 <Zuu> (apart from the reflections) 22:06:28 <Rubidium> Zuu: that must be a measurement error 22:06:28 <Belugas> night 22:06:39 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:07:09 <dihedral> Chris_Booth, at least one every tick :-P 22:07:11 <Zuu> Maby OpenTTD should use the video camera of the computer (if the user have one) to create a mirror image to blend with the night mode picture. 22:07:53 <Pulec> for what setting is openttd trully hardcore? 22:07:57 <Zuu> And if users complain, we'll tell them that it is realistic. :-) 22:08:02 <Pulec> i am fun of loosing is fun! 22:08:04 <Pulec> :D 22:08:06 <Pulec> *fan 22:08:22 <Zuu> Station spread := min value 22:08:31 <Pulec> spread? 22:08:45 <Zuu> that gives the largest size of a station you can build. 22:08:45 <Terkhen> good night 22:08:46 <Pulec> for loading and stuff? 22:08:55 <Zuu> Set it to 4, and you can't build stations larger than 4x4 22:09:00 <Pulec> well that does not make sense 22:09:05 <Rubidium> enable reversing at signals, set the timeout to 1 22:09:06 <Pulec> when some city is big 22:09:11 <Pulec> i would need like 10 stations 22:09:13 <Zuu> You wanted to have it hard. 22:09:20 <Pulec> thats not the hard i want 22:09:33 <Rubidium> disable "improved catchment area" 22:09:33 <Zuu> You didn't specify what kind of hard you wanted.. 22:09:43 <Pulec> the point of the game should be build transport network small enough and effective enough 22:09:54 <Pulec> because after you get to + finnacialy 22:10:00 <Zuu> Get BaseCost mod and set all costs factors to <a large number>. 22:10:01 <Pulec> you can build islands just for fun 22:10:13 <V453000> sorry, did I hear "SMALL" ? 22:10:19 <Pulec> but it wont make you make your trains and busses work effectively 22:10:26 <Pulec> and its very hard in big network 22:10:49 <Pulec> small because of the managment of the network 22:10:56 <Pulec> if its big its get complicated 22:11:02 <dihedral> set all 4 limit settings to 0 22:11:06 <Pulec> and everything affects everything 22:11:15 <dihedral> V453000, you have a highlight an "small"?? 22:11:18 <V453000> well, you have to find some good way how to manage it all when the network gets bigger then :) 22:11:21 <Zuu> With a low station size limit, you will be forced to set up more connections. Creating a more mesh style of network. 22:11:24 <Pulec> then the real fun is in goal servers or what? 22:11:29 <V453000> dihedral: no, just hit me in the eye :p 22:11:48 <dihedral> i was wondering if they used to call you that at school :-D 22:12:11 <V453000> duh :) 22:12:12 <dihedral> with limits set to 0 you will be forced to build with the terrain :-) 22:12:24 <V453000> :) 22:12:39 <V453000> that would be ... interesting, mostly impossible :) 22:12:47 <Zuu> Turn of building on slope and you get even more fun :-) 22:12:49 <V453000> if you cared not to build "small" :p 22:13:06 <Pulec> i dont understand your limits 22:13:14 <V453000> then get long fast trains and you are fucked twice :p 22:13:16 <Pulec> i like to make openttd more realistic... 22:13:24 <V453000> Pulec: limits of terraforming 22:13:35 <V453000> max_terraform_burst or something like that 22:13:39 <Pulec> does transport comapnys get huuuge amounts of money like in game? 22:13:49 *** Chillosophy [Chillosoph@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:50 <Pulec> i am looking forward for that ibm city project 22:13:59 <V453000> Pulec: it is a game, not reality btw 22:14:03 *** Chillosophy [Chillosoph@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:14:05 <Pulec> i know 22:14:13 <Pulec> but i use realistic setting for train 22:14:26 <Pulec> and i like the idea ibm had 22:14:36 <V453000> you use realistic acceleration ... they could have also called it "advanced acceleration" and you would use it then? 22:14:38 <Pulec> make solution for real problem in a game 22:14:59 <Pulec> if it was advanced i would still use it 22:15:02 <Pulec> name is not important 22:15:05 <Pulec> the effect is 22:15:22 <V453000> then what does it have to do with realism :) 22:15:27 <Pulec> it just looks really stupid that train going over 100km/h stopes because of few high slopes 22:16:01 <Rubidium> it's also stupid that a train takes days to get up to top speed 22:16:12 <V453000> :D 22:16:13 <Rubidium> and needs thousands of kilometers for that 22:16:17 <V453000> nice point :D 22:16:22 <Pulec> well thats the problem of the time 22:16:29 <Pulec> but in real time for player it looks good 22:16:47 <Pulec> but how long is one title? 22:16:52 <Pulec> 1km? 22:17:22 <Chris_Booth_> well that is an issue 22:17:23 <Rubidium> about 668 kilometer 22:17:48 <V453000> :D 22:17:49 <V453000> :D 22:18:04 <Chris_Booth_> it realy depends on if you use scale or time as your measure 22:18:13 <Chris_Booth_> if you use scale you really are fucked 22:18:33 <Pulec> one title? 22:18:35 <Pulec> wtfff? 22:18:37 <Chris_Booth_> since builds, trains, RVs, Plane and Boats all are in different scales 22:18:52 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth_: but their tiles are all 668 kilometer 22:18:52 <Pulec> any czech users here? 22:18:56 <Pulec> i wanna make web pages 22:19:00 <Pulec> i make majncraft.cz now 22:19:00 <Chris_Booth_> in time 1 day is ~ 2 seconds 22:19:06 <V453000> what do you need webpage for 22:19:09 <Pulec> and make a list of recommended settings 22:19:20 <Pulec> defaults is wierd 22:19:28 <Pulec> too many towns in bigger map :D 22:19:30 <V453000> what for example 22:19:40 <dihedral> ...? 22:19:42 <Pulec> and the original train speeding 22:19:43 <V453000> well, that is why openttd has so many settings - configure them 22:19:50 <Pulec> i DO THAT 22:19:51 <Pulec> lol 22:19:56 <V453000> original train acceleration isnt default for a long time 22:19:58 <Pulec> but i would like to make list of settings 22:20:04 <Pulec> is not? 22:20:15 <dihedral> feel free to make a list of settings :-P 22:20:18 <Pulec> i always had it set fr that 22:20:27 <Pulec> yeah i am feeling freee :P 22:20:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:20:34 <dihedral> cat openttd.cfg > list_of_settings 22:20:38 <V453000> there is no set of good settings, play as you like 22:20:42 <Pulec> i was just asking for czech people here 22:20:45 <Pulec> sigh 22:20:47 <V453000> I am czech 22:20:58 <dihedral> V453000, you just got yourself a new friend :-D 22:21:04 <Pulec> and you are in london? 22:21:08 <Pulec> great 22:21:12 <V453000> london? 22:21:15 <V453000> wtf are you talking about 22:21:21 <Chris_Booth_> lol he is not in london 22:21:26 <Pulec> whois told me that :D 22:21:31 <dihedral> ... 22:21:33 <V453000> whois obviously knows shit :) 22:21:35 <Chris_Booth_> whois is wrong 22:21:44 <dihedral> whois told you the server he is connected to ;-) 22:21:48 <Pulec> moravia or bohemia then? 22:21:55 <dihedral> not which country he is from 22:22:00 <V453000> bohemia, but I dont see how it matters :) 22:22:02 <SmatZ> [23:21:30] [Whois] Pulec is online via coulomb.oftc.net (London, United Kingdom). 22:22:07 <V453000> :D 22:22:08 <Pulec> yeah 22:22:10 <Pulec> fail for me 22:22:13 <SmatZ> oooo Pulec is from London! 22:22:29 <Pulec> i would rather kill myself then by in London 22:22:33 <SmatZ> :P 22:22:34 <Chris_Booth_> SmatZ: so are you :P 22:22:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:22:45 <SmatZ> :) 22:22:48 <Chris_Booth_> what is wrong with london? 22:22:50 <Pulec> i was there on LSD few times, good times, but that city is so ***** big 22:22:54 <dihedral> and SmatZ likes music :-P 22:22:57 <Pulec> i like nature 22:22:58 <Pulec> not london 22:23:07 <SmatZ> Pulec: are you on LSD now? 22:23:15 <Pulec> no 22:23:18 <Chris_Booth_> London is amazing! 22:23:27 <Pulec> i am just getting high from my own flowers 22:23:31 * dihedral preferes Oxford 22:23:31 <Pulec> great for playing ottd 22:23:37 <Pulec> but i rather play some Dwarf Fortress 22:23:38 <SmatZ> ok :p 22:23:45 <V453000> I suddenly see why do you need realism in openttd 22:23:49 <dihedral> SmatZ, so, yes he is :-D 22:23:54 <Pulec> V453000 i was asking bohemia or moravia because i am deciding which university to go to 22:24:06 <Pulec> brno is cool but school sux, praha sux, but school is great 22:24:15 <Pulec> really? 22:24:19 <Pulec> why i need realism then? 22:24:20 <Pulec> lol 22:24:22 <Pulec> because of the drugs 22:24:24 <Pulec> lol yey 22:24:25 <Pulec> :D 22:24:27 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 22:24:40 <Pulec> yeah i like to stay in reality most of the time 22:24:43 <dihedral> after that monoloque id not bother with thinking about uni just yet :-P 22:24:49 <SmatZ> :) 22:25:13 <Pulec> yeah sorry for that 22:25:22 <dihedral> you're welcome 22:25:23 <Pulec> i find myself doing that last few days a lot 22:25:28 <Chris_Booth_> Reality is overrated 22:25:31 <Pulec> its the goji berries 22:25:52 <dihedral> SmatZ, that too should answer your question 22:26:04 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:07 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:26:34 <Pulec> damn that should be query command 22:31:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:57 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 22:40:50 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth_: FS#4495 needs a savegame 22:41:14 <Chris_Booth_> SmatZ: its a multi player game 22:41:22 <Chris_Booth_> and I am current testing something 22:41:28 <Chris_Booth_> I may actualy close it 22:42:08 <Chris_Booth_> ok I am closing it 22:42:21 <SmatZ> ... 22:43:03 <Chris_Booth_> its not a openttd error 22:43:08 <Chris_Booth_> its a UKRS error 22:43:15 <Chris_Booth_> I can add a save if you want 22:43:27 <SmatZ> yes 22:43:32 <Chris_Booth_> but game only crashes when I clone a UKRS 2 train 22:43:39 <Chris_Booth_> and not any other trains 22:43:46 <SmatZ> still it shouldn't crash 22:45:47 <planetmaker> good late evening 22:45:55 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker 22:47:52 * Rubidium ponders making the glorious comment: can't join the server 22:48:09 <SmatZ> :) 22:48:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabf77.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:44 <Chris_Booth_> Rubidium: no one can join the server I add a save. server should have a save aswell 22:50:58 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest913 22:50:58 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 22:53:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A095.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:02:45 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:59 *** Chillosophy [Chillosoph@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 23:05:08 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-28-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 23:05:14 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: zzzzz] 23:08:47 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-28-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 23:11:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:04 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.6.141] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:10 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-28-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:26 *** BackBone [~uia@189.4.195.33] has joined #openttd 23:50:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5E3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC535A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:55:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]