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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B748E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:10:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 05:14:57 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:08:53 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe30dc00-29.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:16:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B126.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B126.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 06:31:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:59:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:02 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:06:32 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-179-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:11:18 <Terkhen> good morning 07:15:00 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 07:21:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:24:07 <ChoHag> Given a Station pointer, [how] could I tell that it's an oil rig? 07:24:42 <ChoHag> s/that/whether/ 07:25:38 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-65-135.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:17 <Alberth> Don't know, it may be possible, but I'd do that through the industries 07:30:33 <Alberth> s/do that/find oilrigs/ 07:30:56 *** Markavian [~Markavian@187.35-50-210.static.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:31:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:03 <Alberth> why do you want to know? 07:32:22 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:32:52 <ChoHag> I mean in the code. 07:33:56 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:34:39 <Alberth> yeah, but why is that info important? 07:34:53 <Alberth> a station knows what it provides and accepts 07:35:08 <Alberth> it does not matter whether it is an oil rig, it seems to me 07:35:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:57 <ChoHag> I want to make them deliver all their cargo to their attached station, regardless of rating. 07:36:19 <ChoHag> I don't know what effect that'll have on multiple companies using one rig, I'll see what happens, but nothing else seems logical. 07:36:34 <andythenorth> morningks 07:36:34 <ChoHag> Why would a rig send its oil anywhere but its own built-in station? 07:37:00 <Alberth> if you build another station close enough, the oil goes there too 07:37:07 <Alberth> morning andy 07:37:32 <ChoHag> Yes, but oil rigs are by definition in the middle of the sea. 07:37:38 <Alberth> I would expect the rating functionality in the industry production code 07:37:59 * Alberth has plenty of money to make land at arbitrary places :p 07:38:21 <ChoHag> Even if in real life a train station was build right near an oil rig after the insanely high expense of building an island, the rig wouldn't deliver there. That would just be weird when it has a docking port Right There. 07:39:38 <Alberth> OpenTTD does not care about real life 07:40:01 <Alberth> (luckily) 07:40:14 <ChoHag> I noticed that when TT first came out. 07:40:31 <ChoHag> Lots of things were comical even them. 07:40:32 <ChoHag> then 07:42:12 <Alberth> Not caring about real world gives freedom to leave out the boring parts, and simplify things. However, it also means that "in real life it is done in this way too" is no argument to add something to the game. 07:42:30 <Alberth> (or forbid something, for that matter) 07:43:22 <ChoHag> Well what I'm fiddling with is only a problem because of the way the game works (ie. oil rigs can apparently never reach 100% rating). 07:43:36 <ChoHag> Then I got to thinking that the rating system, while fine, makes no sense for oil rigs 07:43:58 <ChoHag> So for my next code dive I am finding out stuff about stations and oil rigs, with the vague purpose of working on that. 07:44:24 <ChoHag> Mostly to increase familiarity with the code, but also hopefully fix something I find illogical. 07:44:26 <Alberth> oil rig is an industry, so that's where you want to change things 07:45:06 <Alberth> in a sense it does not matter where the oil flows to from the industry point of view 07:45:10 <andythenorth> have fun with industry code :P 07:45:35 <andythenorth> industry code is one of the more spaghetti-laden areas I've explored 07:45:52 <Terkhen> I don't remember any limitation in that sense for the oil rig 07:45:54 <ChoHag> Actually it seems to by in station_cmd.c - MoveGoodsToStation 07:46:03 <Terkhen> probably it is caused because they rely in ships, which are slow 07:46:19 <ChoHag> Ignore spelling mistakes. It's early. 07:46:30 <Alberth> we always do :) 07:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag: if you want to mess with station rating specific to oil rigs, what do you intend to do when one builds a station next to the oil rig? 07:49:42 <ChoHag> Ignore it. Don't do that, it's silly. 07:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and why is not reaching 100% a problem? 07:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and why is it more serious problem with oil rigs than any other industry? 07:50:41 <ChoHag> Actually I've no idea, I expect the rig's own station would effectively have a 100% rating all the time, whatever that means for other stations is what will happen. 07:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can change the station rating via newgrf 07:51:17 <ChoHag> Because I recently built a fleet of oil tankers, so they're my latest grief. 07:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag: if oil rig has a 100% rating, cargo would simply pile up even if nobody is transporting it (any more) 07:52:03 <ChoHag> And when I read up on game mechanics, the way it worked made little sense. 07:52:15 <peter1138> use helicopters :D 07:52:22 <ChoHag> Oil rigs would by definition send all their cargo to their attached station. 07:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause> gtg. but you likely are doing The Wrong Thing (tm) 07:52:37 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 07:52:37 <Alberth> station ratings are not universally agreed as 'fine' :p 07:52:41 <ChoHag> Probably, but got to start somewhere. 07:52:56 * andythenorth is troubled by station ratings 07:53:00 * peter1138 chokes to death 07:53:11 * andythenorth waves 07:53:18 * Alberth rescues peter1138 just in time 07:53:25 <peter1138> too late, the dog farted :( 07:53:28 <peter1138> oohh 07:53:33 * peter1138 returns as as zombie? 07:53:34 * andythenorth sends a registered first aider 07:53:41 <ChoHag> Maybe when I've looked into this I'll have a better idea of the ways in which station ratings suck. 07:53:52 <andythenorth> the concept is fine 07:54:08 <andythenorth> I'm not sure how you'd allocate cargo between multiple stations without them 07:54:16 <ChoHag> I have a vague idea about station capacities, too. 07:54:30 <andythenorth> but the calculation is based on some game goals from 1994 which might not be valid 07:54:34 <ChoHag> In-line bus stations with 2000+ passengers makes no sense. 07:54:48 <ChoHag> But that's for later. 07:56:20 <andythenorth> "Max speed of last vehicle entering station" 07:56:23 <andythenorth> pah 07:56:33 <ChoHag> Yeah that's what got me to find the problem. 07:56:41 <andythenorth> "Statue in town of station" 07:56:58 <ChoHag> The fastest non-passenger ship is 25mph, which means an instant negative rating for the fastest, newest ship. 07:57:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:12 <Terkhen> ships have a bonus to their ratings IIRC 07:57:24 <andythenorth> why can't I just pay for permanent advertising? 07:57:35 <andythenorth> instead of going round each town every few months? 07:58:34 <andythenorth> Terkhen: far as I understand, the bonus is not connected to speed, just days since last pickup 07:58:53 <andythenorth> but the rating system means you should always have a vehicle waiting, far as I can see 08:00:03 * andythenorth ponders making a test grf for station ratings 08:00:48 *** Markavian [~Markavian@187.35-50-210.static.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:58 <ChoHag> Terkhen: Only in terms of how long since cargo was picked up. 08:01:15 <ChoHag> The fastest ship still reduces the rating. 08:02:01 <Terkhen> having a slow vehicle does not reduce the rating, it just does not give a high bonus (or a bonus at all) 08:02:13 <Terkhen> this can be fixed via callbacks anyways 08:02:17 <ChoHag> Same difference. 08:02:31 <ChoHag> The point is you can have the fastes, newest, shiniest oil tanker, and nobody cares. 08:02:37 <Terkhen> so it should not be fixed via code 08:03:21 <andythenorth> hmm 08:03:26 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Custom_station_rating_calculation_145_ 08:03:33 <andythenorth> "Currently, you can only use variables 10 and 18 for your decision, since neither vehicle nor station variables are available for a cargo callback. As soon as the architecture of TTDPatch allows this, the callback will be given access to the station and the last vehicle that entered." 08:03:35 <andythenorth> :( 08:04:06 <ChoHag> With the reported speed doubled, my maxed out oil rig now has an ~ 80-85 rating and is actually capable of growing. 08:04:37 <Terkhen> andythenorth: that does not sound very promising :) 08:04:53 <ChoHag> Before with new ships, enough of them to be constantly present to load delivering to all destinations the rig wants to go, the delivered cargo was still under 67% and the rig was shrinking. 08:05:29 <Terkhen> andythenorth: you can still get some stuff, such as the type and the speed of the last vehicle 08:05:35 <ChoHag> Maybe this is only apparent in yacd, where the cargo must be divided up. 08:05:44 <Terkhen> or the cargo waiting at the station 08:05:52 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I think it might be worth trying 08:06:05 <andythenorth> I can't do much on it today, but I want to have a look at this 08:06:24 <Terkhen> I have custom ratings on my todo list for opengfx+ industries too 08:06:52 <Terkhen> I was thinking on three settings for the different cargos (the same separations that yacd does) 08:07:02 <Terkhen> but I don't know which custom ratings options there should be 08:07:38 <andythenorth> I want to tie them to FIRS economies, along with payment rates 08:07:56 <Terkhen> oh, that makes sense 08:07:58 <andythenorth> so in one economy coal might favour fast transportation, and in another slow 08:08:25 <Terkhen> there is a callback for custom payment too IIRC 08:08:42 <andythenorth> yes, although I've never figured out a use for that yet 08:09:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B126.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:12 <Terkhen> yes, unless you find that you need something special for one of the economies the existing three parameters should be enough 08:18:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2748.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:15 <andythenorth> wrt cb 39, the only uses I can think of right now are: - check for certain special vehicles / properties of vehicles in consist (not currently possible) 08:20:20 <planetmaker> hm, batch-saving only one layer of a gimp image is not what I want :D 08:20:26 <andythenorth> - check for certain special tiles of station 08:20:58 <Terkhen> that would be interesting, yes 08:21:18 <andythenorth> so e.g. if the station has a post office there is a better profit 08:21:33 <andythenorth> railroad tycoon does that, it's fun, but ultimately doesn't add a lot to gameplay 08:21:43 <planetmaker> fun is enough 08:21:46 <Terkhen> planetmaker: are you trying gimp batch scripts? does it looks promising? 08:22:04 <planetmaker> I'm trying that, yes. I think it's feasible and might be a good thing 08:22:17 <Terkhen> good :) 08:22:43 <planetmaker> but it will require each xcf to be accompanied with a special script as far as I see it 08:22:48 <Terkhen> for opengfx+ road vehicles it would mean changing from lots of pngs to a few xcf files 08:22:50 <planetmaker> But well... that's code :-) 08:22:56 <planetmaker> yep, not only there 08:23:11 <Terkhen> yes... that's one of the cons IMO 08:23:29 <Terkhen> but I would have preferred to do everything with gimp and code how pngs are generated than actually creating all of them by hand 08:23:33 <planetmaker> I don't think it's really a 'con' 08:23:48 <planetmaker> those scripts would basically define which layers need to be visible to create <whatever> image 08:23:57 <planetmaker> that's more / additional info which currently is lost 08:24:00 <Terkhen> learning a new language is always something to consider :) 08:24:11 <Terkhen> could we make a generic script and pass to them which layers we want for each png somehow? 08:24:29 <planetmaker> Probably feasible. But I'm not there yet 08:24:41 <Terkhen> errr, s/them/it/, I need my coffee, brb 08:31:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:32:02 <Wolf01> hello 08:32:07 <Markk> Hai 08:33:01 *** TinoDid|znc [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 08:36:29 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 and Markk 08:36:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:36:33 *** TinoDid|znc is now known as TinoDidriksen 08:36:42 <Terkhen> planetmaker: that would be awesome :) 08:38:13 <planetmaker> ideally we'd have a file with lines like 08:38:27 <planetmaker> png-file source-file layer1, layer2, ... 08:38:39 <planetmaker> for each png file one such line 08:41:23 <Terkhen> it would be simple to modify and extend them then 08:42:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffb28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:41 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:45:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:47:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:36 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:50:39 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:51:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:52:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 08:59:30 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 09:05:54 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-017-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 09:11:20 *** SliGo [sligoman@178.207.46.13] has joined #openttd 09:11:37 <SliGo> hi 09:11:42 *** SliGo [sligoman@178.207.46.13] has left #openttd [] 09:11:46 *** SliGo [sligoman@178.207.46.13] has joined #openttd 09:11:49 <Alberth> hi 09:11:49 <Terkhen> hi SliGo 09:15:24 <SliGo> what a nice chat room it is 09:15:41 <Alberth> nice and quiet :) 09:18:00 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-65-135.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r22451 /trunk/src/terraform_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Test for bridges and tunnels during the first pass only while terraforming (HackaLittleBit) 09:35:20 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:53 *** SliGo [sligoman@178.207.46.13] has left #openttd [] 09:39:07 <Alberth> too quiet perhaps :) 09:39:52 <Terkhen> quiet == boring 09:40:39 <Terkhen> this chat room has been surprisingly drama free lately :P 09:41:50 <SmatZ> hockeeeeeey 09:41:58 <SmatZ> maybe pe 09:42:09 <SmatZ> ople are watching hockey instead of chatting and playing openttd 09:43:16 * Terkhen suspects that playing hockey with his code would be more interesting than completing it 09:44:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:49:31 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:56:23 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 10:06:16 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54958828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:59 <andythenorth> quiet does == boring 10:09:03 * andythenorth goes shopping 10:09:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:31:06 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has joined #openttd 10:37:55 <heffer> today i wondered if Rollercoaster Tycoon is based off the same engine as TTD? 10:44:53 <frosch123> yes 10:45:32 <frosch123> take a look at cs' page 10:46:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 10:59:26 <Alberth> at least RCT1 and RCT2 11:14:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:16:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-63-251.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:18:26 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:19 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 11:26:51 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:58 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 11:46:52 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:49:30 <frosch123> hmm... there is still no released station newgrf with custom foundations, right? 11:52:58 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:08 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-65-135.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 12:11:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1dc4:3088:7d72:a118] has joined #openttd 12:11:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:14:29 <andythenorth> we could add them in CHIPS? 12:20:34 <ChoHag> How do you use a town names grf? 12:20:37 <ChoHag> It's in the list... 12:21:09 <Terkhen> you add it to your newgrf list and then select the town names you want to use in options 12:21:22 <ChoHag> It's not showing up. 12:22:04 <Alberth> where 12:22:14 <ChoHag> In game options, town names dropdown. 12:22:24 <ChoHag> Oh now it is. 12:22:33 <ChoHag> I clicked apply extra hard. 12:22:43 <Alberth> :) 12:23:13 <ChoHag> Bah! 12:23:24 <ChoHag> Now everything's called '?????' or some variation thereof. 12:23:44 <ChoHag> Are there font grfs? 12:23:44 <Terkhen> you selected a town names grf that requires a unicode font 12:24:36 <Terkhen> no, you have to set the font you want to use in openttd.cfg 12:25:07 <Terkhen> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=50479 <--- you could also try this patch 12:25:30 <ChoHag> I'll check that out later. 12:25:43 <ChoHag> Right now I need to get SWMBO hooked before she gets bored and goes away. 12:36:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22452 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_spritegroup.h newgrf_station.cpp): -Fix (r18708): Zero register 0x100 as specified before resolving custom station foundations. 12:38:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22453 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_station.cpp newgrf_station.h station_cmd.cpp): -Feature(ette): Implement variable 18 for custom station foundations. 12:39:09 *** SliGo [~sligoman@178.207.46.13] has joined #openttd 12:39:41 <SliGo> :| 12:43:58 <Alberth> welcome back 12:44:20 <SliGo> yeah thanks 12:45:11 <SliGo> so you are from croatia aren't you? 12:45:31 <Alberth> not that I am aware of :) 12:45:49 <SliGo> take a look around 12:49:03 *** aber [~Adium@HSI-KBW-091-089-050-150.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 12:50:11 *** SliGo [~sligoman@178.207.46.13] has left #openttd [] 13:05:48 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 13:11:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:12:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22454 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_station.cpp newgrf_station.h station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Deduplicate GetCustomStationGroundRelocation() into GetCustomStationRelocation() and only call it if actually needed. 13:22:18 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:23:08 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:08 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2748.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:26 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC476A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:25 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:49:25 *** George is now known as Guest874 13:49:26 *** George|2 is now known as George 14:05:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:16:41 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-205-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:30 *** aquastus [~aquastus@84-50-199-102-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:26:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-205-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:05 *** aquastus [~aquastus@84-50-199-102-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [Leaving] 14:27:55 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 14:33:24 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 14:36:02 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:40:43 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:56 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:19 <michi_cc> Hmm, rain mixed with hail, interesting... 15:00:27 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:02:36 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:47 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-017-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 15:06:18 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:59 <andythenorth> michi_cc: think I might have a cargo dist bug... 15:09:20 <andythenorth> cargo disappearing at stations if a link is broken 15:09:33 <andythenorth> known issue? 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And converting them to unrouted packets can be used for cheating. (Don't wanna transport coal over the whole map? Just make an alibi link, wait for cargo, delete the link and transport to somehwere nearer.9 16:34:26 <andythenorth> ok 16:34:53 <andythenorth> so a crashed vehicle would cause all en-route cargo to be lost (assuming not replaced quickly) 16:45:05 <andythenorth> and assuming it's the only link somewhere in the chain 16:56:09 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54958828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22456 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: Derive NewGRFSpriteLayout from DrawTileSprites for spritelayouts allocated on the heap, and make use of constructors and destructors. 17:26:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.120.209] has joined #openttd 17:29:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:33:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22457 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: Make the NewGRFSpriteLayout a direct member of TileLayoutSpriteGroup instead of allocating it separately. 17:38:22 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] 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lot of votes 20:21:30 <__ln__> lena's song was also interesting, but not the winner type of song, i'm afraid 20:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i think last year there was quite some hype that wasn't really due to the song... 20:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should tell britain that boy bands was in the 90's 20:26:39 * __ln__ voted for Lena last year 20:27:03 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-15-169.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i never actually voted... 20:29:21 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:30:48 <__ln__> there were 3 other finns and 4 germans at my place watching the contest last year, so it was a nice experience to have germany actually win that time 20:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i never was a fan of the idea to send the same person again... 20:36:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and the song is rather of the kind that you need to hear multiple times to like it 20:41:22 *** Intexon 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a certain height must be registered 21:33:54 <ChoHag> http://imagebin.org/153328 21:34:03 <ChoHag> Am I just misreading it? 21:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag: "via" is: "the train stops at this station next", and "transfer at" is "people get off at this station" 21:36:35 <ChoHag> So they're waiting at Cairo, they want the train going through Seoul so they can get off at Cairo? 21:37:09 <Terkhen> hmm... maybe they are local passengers from Cairo 21:37:43 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: just that one of the "post cards" contained a base jump off a wind mill 21:37:53 <ChoHag> There's only one stop in Cairo. 21:38:01 <ChoHag> I started a new game to look into this weirdness. 21:38:44 <Terkhen> ChoHag: that's what I mean: a passenger wants to go from Cairo to Cairo 21:38:56 <Terkhen> since there is no line from Cairo to Cairo, they pick up a very wrong alternative 21:40:53 <ChoHag> Right, so that would be a bug then? 21:41:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:42:24 <Terkhen> reporting the situation to the yacd thread will not hurt 21:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> include save game, if possible 21:43:15 <ChoHag> Ah yes good point. 21:43:17 * ChoHag saves 21:51:09 <ChoHag> Heh I think the find-the-nearest-town function may be a bit broken. 21:51:38 <ChoHag> Airport slap bang in one city has the name of a nearby town. 21:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the north corner is what counts 21:54:49 <ChoHag> I'd still say it's close to Moscow than Zurich, but only just. 21:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the distance function is not necessary euclidean 21:57:38 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54958828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:38 <__ln__> congrats Terkhen 22:02:31 <Terkhen> hmm? thanks, but why? :P 22:02:56 <__ln__> Terkhen: for getting 12 points and not being on the last position anymore 22:04:12 * Terkhen does not follow that contest 22:04:19 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 22:06:09 <Terkhen> I have no clue of who is our candidate this year, but if (s)he is like the ones we had in previous years we probabaly deserve last position 22:07:18 <__ln__> it was some chick 22:07:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:39 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting that anybody outside germany remembers the "Danke Anke!" phrase :p 22:09:27 <__ln__> another 12 to spain from your other neighbours 22:09:45 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 22:13:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:58 <__ln__> that israeli guy had practiced german at home in advance 22:17:35 <glx> I always forget israel is in europe :) 22:18:05 <__ln__> me too, i thought it's a US state 22:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: it's not really geographical europe 22:18:20 *** macee [~macee@2E6B6A04.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined 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I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 23:04:08 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:39 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 23:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> we should impose the ESC voting system for something like electing the european president :p 23:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> each country nominates a candidate, and you can't vote for the one from your country 23:15:21 <Terkhen> good night 23:27:08 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d8224f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 23:40:34 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: Sorry, this packet wasn't exactly a winner] 23:42:03 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 23:42:11 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 23:43:40 *** aber [~Adium@HSI-KBW-046-005-080-091.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:52:50 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd