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00:01:02 <MNIM> nobody ever learns. :P 00:01:12 <MNIM> we just think we'd about know it by now 00:01:48 <Mazur> Yeah. 00:01:59 <Mazur> Registry of my old PC, I think. 00:02:18 <Mazur> I mean, it's in hte registry, no? 00:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an XP key? 00:02:47 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5840.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, you mean the license code 00:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that is stored in the registry somewhere 00:03:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:05:53 <Mazur> Thnx 00:08:16 *** amkoroew2 [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:10 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:00 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:71a6:55a1:6a0:9cf7] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:52:32 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:07 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:18 <lugo> www-client/chromium-13.0.782.32 merge time: 12 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds 01:22:22 <lugo> wtf.. 01:30:06 *** MNIM [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:09 *** MNIM [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 01:33:08 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:19 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 02:33:04 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:49:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:02 *** huh [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:25:39 *** huh [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 04:54:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72CA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:16 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:27:20 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:06:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:10:30 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049532.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:27:19 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:31:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:09 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:48:11 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:51:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC57AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:46 <Terkhen> good morning 07:20:10 <__ln__> good morning, sir 07:20:41 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:14 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 07:21:58 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 07:28:38 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 07:43:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> MB: "Und warum sollst *du* mich diesbzgl "beschwatzen"? Kann Ingo nicht selber schreiben?" :p 07:59:44 *** Maarten_ [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:22 <planetmaker> moin 08:00:27 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: in reply to what? 08:00:34 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the railtypes thing ;) 08:01:14 <planetmaker> well, I left that to you on purpose :-P 08:01:44 <planetmaker> got a link? Or via e-mail? 08:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause> PM 08:02:22 <planetmaker> well... should I write? 08:02:56 <planetmaker> I mean... after all the rail classification thing as we consider was in this form your idea... 08:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll answer him, but first i have a dentist appointment... :( 08:07:14 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 08:09:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 08:15:27 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause> he also says there is already a CETS (http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=47655) 08:17:10 <Mazur> Nice! 08:17:27 <Mazur> I had my system tuned to perfection, everything working.... 08:18:11 <Mazur> And they had to bloody go and change SYSV init scripts and something to do with sound, so the whole bloody mess fails at EVERY TURN again. 08:18:31 <Mazur> Hand me a machine gun, someone. 08:18:51 <planetmaker> Well... maybe we should re-consider the name, though... not sure 08:19:06 <planetmaker> maybe TOC ;-) 08:19:14 <planetmaker> trains of central Europe ;-) 08:21:40 <peter1138> well it seems to be dead anyway 08:29:39 <planetmaker> yes... that's why I'd not be overly concerned to continue to use cets 08:30:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 08:36:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BFA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 08:39:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BFA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42:23 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:44:54 <Mazur> Ah, there ismy sound. 08:45:22 <Mazur> They muted it in an uprgade. 08:46:01 <Mazur> SOmething like: "Oh, wanna use fedora 15? You know, then you will not want your sound anymore. No, we know better than you." 08:46:29 <Mazur> "No, really. Turn it off!" 08:46:31 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:59 * Mazur tracks and tortures whoever had that bright idea.; 08:47:43 <peter1138> well, if you will use fedora... 08:56:03 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BFA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:41 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:23:21 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:24:50 <fjb_> Poor Eddi. 09:29:33 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: planetmaker, or maybe merge with that existing cets? 09:29:54 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 09:34:29 *** nickname [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:35:21 *** nickname [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 09:37:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:50 <planetmaker> for certain definitions of 'merge' 09:42:37 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:25 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC57AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 09:47:57 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:51:52 <Mazur> peter1138, what's the best distro these days, then? 09:59:58 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:00:01 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:04 <planetmaker> Ammler: the focus of that set is rather South-East Europe than central Europe ;-) 10:21:33 *** PierreW [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:21:35 *** PierreW [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has joined 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*** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.187.15] has joined #openttd 11:19:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.179.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:18 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:24:01 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 11:32:54 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:33:27 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 11:43:53 <__LN__> GUESS WHAT DAY IT IS 11:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> PLANETMAKER: I GUESS THE MEANING OF "CENTER" VARIES ON YOUR OWN POSITION :P 11:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> DAMN, MY CAPS IS STUCK 11:58:54 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:59:18 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:59:33 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:00:03 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:05:13 *** Neon 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12:37:51 <dihedral> "ich liebe deutscheland..." 12:40:58 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 12:47:18 <Vikthor> "Das alles ist Deutschland - das alles sind wir ..." :p 12:52:09 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 12:54:44 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 12:55:19 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:50 *** chris____ 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I'm bored, and not quite sure what I want to do, but I think I want to play OpenTTD. I've got 1.1.0 downloaded on this machine, with trams and... well, that's the only NewGRF I'm using. What new NewGRFs should I try out? 13:52:31 <H-land> Well. Guess this is the time of day when the channel is asleep, then. 13:54:32 <lugo> H-land, av8, ukrs, egrvts, FIRS and FISH are a good start i think :) 13:55:08 <H-land> Okay. I'll take a look at those. 13:55:11 <MNIM> sorry, being lame 13:55:34 <MNIM> and I agree with that. not sure about ukrs. Id sooner advise ttrs 13:55:40 <lugo> respectivly replacing aircrafts, trains, buses/lorries, industries and ships 13:55:46 <lugo> MNIM, ukrs is a train set 13:55:58 <MNIM> oh, thought it was road set, not rail set 14:08:21 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D6A68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:19 <planetmaker> H-land: it strongly depends on what you like 14:29:29 <planetmaker> bug... lugo's advice is somewhat my own, too 14:29:42 <planetmaker> Additionally, if you want to start slowly, I rcommend to use the OpenGFX+ series 14:29:48 <H-land> I'm trying out the FISH and FIRS right now. 14:29:59 <planetmaker> which enhances defaults without completely modifying everything 14:30:22 <H-land> And the eGVRTS. 14:32:11 <planetmaker> all good choices. But you're missing a train set 14:32:21 <planetmaker> or you'll not enjoy FIRS 14:32:40 <planetmaker> Thus... possibly go for OpenGFX+ Trains additionally 14:33:52 <planetmaker> [15:54] H-land Well. Guess this is the time of day when the channel is asleep, then. <-- btw: 5 minutes response time is NOT long. It's not like people here constantly look at the channel only waiting for given the chance to answer a question ;-) 14:34:40 <planetmaker> though... European evening hourse are the most busy ones in this channel. And it's not yet evening ;-) 14:34:42 <H-land> I'm just used to move chitchat and such in channels with over 50 people, I guess. 14:34:57 <planetmaker> most here are around 24/7 14:35:02 <planetmaker> but not physically 14:35:20 <planetmaker> they'll use a bouncer which gives them the history once they connect 14:35:25 <planetmaker> just as I do ;-) 14:35:44 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:49 *** caramida [~ionica@89.32.132.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:11 <Terkhen> for example, I have to go now but the bouncer will stay connected 14:40:12 <Terkhen> bbl 14:43:59 <Chris_Booth> afternoon all 14:53:25 *** Amis [~Amis@5400C23E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 14:59:45 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 15:00:21 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 15:02:07 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [] 15:02:15 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:37 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 15:18:00 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D6A68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:25:45 <MNIM> hmmmmh 15:25:49 <MNIM> oopsie 15:29:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:35:45 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B05BAC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:05 <Terkhen> hi 15:40:55 <Chris_Booth> hi Terkhen 15:52:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:30 <H-land> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1513855/openttd/Clipboard01.png Assuming I want this stub-end station to connect to a main line perpendicular to it... That is, any suggestions on what I should do with interchanges? 15:54:57 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:07 <Chris_Booth> H-land: remove the 2 way signals infornt of the platforms 15:56:23 <Chris_Booth> and then build a nice Side line hub in front of it 15:56:29 <Chris_Booth> the connect to a 4 lines ML 15:56:39 <Chris_Booth> T junctions are easiest to build 15:57:15 <Chris_Booth> maybe check wiki.openttd.org or wiki.openttdcoop.org for ideas 15:57:24 <Chris_Booth> they both have noice building guides on them 15:58:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> put path signals in front of the platforms 16:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> do not ever put path and block signals on the same junction 16:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> build a second X, that's a major bottleneck 16:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or make the entry in-out-in-out 16:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of in-in-out-out 16:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (preferably both) 16:12:22 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:54 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ect207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:30:54 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC57AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:00 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:38:18 *** ar3k [~ident@ecv66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:51 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-219-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:51 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:15 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:54:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 16:54:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009951.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-151-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:04:54 *** alluke [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:05:20 <alluke> what set are those waypoint from? 17:05:21 <alluke> http://wiki.openttd.org/images/2/21/Checkpoints.png 17:07:00 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> those are the default waypoints 17:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> or not? 17:19:49 <Yexo> perhaps opengfx vs original? 17:20:41 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 17:21:52 <Ammler> has ogfx it's own? 17:23:22 *** Intexon^ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 17:27:17 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:47 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> if they didn't copy it from openttd.grf 17:31:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:32:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 17:32:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:43:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22611 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/basque.txt: 17:43:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:43:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: basque - 10 changes by Thadah 17:50:24 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 17:51:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:52:14 *** Pixa [~Pixa@79-74-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:53 *** LordPixaII [~Pixa@79-74-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:56:11 *** alluke [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:59:25 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:59:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:16 *** Pixa [~Pixa@79-74-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:43 <andythenorth> evening 18:02:29 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:08:17 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:19:24 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:21 <andythenorth> and all through the house 18:20:28 <andythenorth> no-one was stirring, not even a mouse 18:20:38 <andythenorth> quiet here 18:20:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:22:04 <andythenorth> hello Alberth 18:22:11 <andythenorth> caused any arguments recently :P 18:22:15 <andythenorth> :D 18:22:18 <Alberth> hello andy 18:22:24 <andythenorth> hmm 18:22:32 <andythenorth> foobar has suggested removals from advanced settings 18:22:37 <andythenorth> let's see if he was right 18:24:43 <andythenorth> broadly 18:24:49 <andythenorth> he misses a few that should go 18:24:53 <andythenorth> and cuts a few that should stay 18:25:52 <Alberth> it seems others have taken all the necessary steps :p 18:26:51 <andythenorth> we should add a new advanced setting: show advanced settings 18:26:55 <andythenorth> :P 18:27:11 * andythenorth wonders how the .cfg works 18:27:17 <andythenorth> presumably name value pairs 18:29:59 <andythenorth> if it was "name value group" users could create their own advanced settings gui 18:30:08 <andythenorth> thereby avoiding a holy war 18:30:16 <andythenorth> or xml for the cfg 18:30:26 <andythenorth> xml for cfg has been suggested before 18:30:32 <andythenorth> it didn't seem to be a sick joe 18:30:36 <andythenorth> joe? joke :P 18:34:01 *** Python_ [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:48:24 <Alberth> name value group? 18:48:27 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:49:05 <Alberth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INI_file <-- a global description of the cfg format 18:49:45 <Alberth> as in, there is no single commonly agreed definition :) 18:49:59 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:45 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:12 <Ammler> andythenorth: then rather yaml 18:58:04 * andythenorth googles yaml 18:58:27 <Ammler> andythenorth: just follow the ini wiki alternatives 18:58:49 <andythenorth> "omg, I can't believe it uses whitespace, this is freaking insane, how will that ever workup" 18:58:51 <andythenorth> etc etc :P 18:59:19 <Ammler> andythenorth: yeah, don't use google 18:59:48 <Ammler> I guess, python does that too, doesn't it? 19:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and plenty of people complain about that :p 19:00:43 <andythenorth> they're wrong :P 19:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> admittedly, it IS a hassle when your editor has certain tab/space rules that are not compliant with the suggested way 19:01:04 <andythenorth> and they're probably not people you'd want to spend time with 19:01:20 <Ammler> well, everything is better as xml 19:01:24 <Ammler> e.g. json 19:01:30 <andythenorth> I am no fan of xml 19:01:43 <andythenorth> having written flash parsers for it, and written the xml for them 19:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody is a fan of xml 19:01:46 <andythenorth> I think it is suck 19:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause> at least nobody who ever came in physical contact with it 19:02:17 <andythenorth> basically for each item in openttd cfg, it would be desirable to specify: 19:02:19 <andythenorth> value 19:02:26 <andythenorth> location in advanced settings menu 19:02:28 <andythenorth> (if any) 19:02:55 <andythenorth> then we can provide a sane default set, and all the special case people can provide they're own (there will be few, but they will be very noisy) 19:03:04 <andythenorth> they're / their 19:03:36 <andythenorth> http://code.google.com/p/yaml-cpp/ ?? 19:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you intend to specify position (and especially order) in the advanced settings gui? 19:04:02 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:39 <Ammler> on the other side, it doesn't really matter, what format the settings file has 19:04:40 <andythenorth> good point 19:04:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:04:43 <Terkhen> while you are at it you could generalize the tree GUI code used by advanced settings :) 19:04:44 * Rubidium wonders which user is the first to say that the window to configure the advanced settings window is too complex 19:04:49 <Ammler> as you should make a gui for it too :-P 19:04:57 <andythenorth> drag and drop :P 19:04:58 <Rubidium> or specifically, that it lists way too many things 19:05:06 <andythenorth> lets say it now 19:05:17 <andythenorth> the window to configure the advanced settings window is too complex 19:06:51 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the order is significant? 19:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: sometimes 19:07:36 <andythenorth> probably 19:07:38 <andythenorth> ach 19:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you want to introduce dozens of subgroups 19:07:49 <andythenorth> ok screw em 19:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause> to keep logically similar settings together 19:07:57 <Alberth> Rubidium: isn't that the whole topic of the 'ottd getting too complex' thread? 19:07:57 <andythenorth> make them edit the cfg file to change settings 19:08:08 <andythenorth> lets just remove lots and see who complains 19:08:27 <andythenorth> we could split test binaries with different ones removed :P 19:09:06 <Alberth> nah, use the IP address or the time of the day to decide :p 19:10:16 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if we wanted to go by the number of complaints, we would make build-while-paused a cheat and allow changing newgrfs 19:10:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a very good metric :p 19:10:57 <Rubidium> Alberth: yes, that's why adding a window to configure that window isn't a solution at all 19:11:33 <Alberth> I must have skipped a few posts :p 19:11:48 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:09 <Yexo> Alberth: that was never in a post, just here in the backlog 19:13:56 <Alberth> ok, thanks :) 19:14:18 <andythenorth> Rubidium: why not a window to configure the configure window? 19:14:23 <andythenorth> it makes total sense 19:14:29 <andythenorth> completely logical 19:15:00 <Terkhen> why is that needed? 19:15:20 <andythenorth> to reduce the complexity of the window that reduces the complexity of advanced settings :P 19:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> who wants to understand recursion must first understand recursion 19:15:30 <Terkhen> configuring the configure window would require checking all items 19:15:51 <Terkhen> then I'd ignore the configuring configure window option and just check all items once to enable/disable them 19:17:05 <andythenorth> no no 19:17:23 <andythenorth> it might be *really* important to you to be able to configure certain things 19:17:42 <andythenorth> and if it isn't enabled, you'll be 100% certain that ottd will never succeed in capturing a large audience 19:17:48 <andythenorth> especially among young people 19:18:05 <andythenorth> besides, all modern games offer this feature 19:20:12 * andythenorth beer 19:20:58 <MNIM> WHERE!? 19:22:03 <andythenorth> in my glass 19:23:06 <MNIM> hmmmmh 19:23:14 <MNIM> that's not right 19:23:36 *** Amis [~Amis@5400C23E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 19:23:51 <Alberth> why not, he has given us breweries and and many other industries and vehicles 19:24:09 <supermop> i want some recursive beer 19:25:32 <Alberth> to get infinitely drunk :p 19:26:14 <MNIM> lol 19:26:29 <MNIM> he made the ecs industries? 19:26:30 <supermop> to get as drunk as I like to get drunk 19:26:33 <MNIM> or firs? 19:27:54 <Alberth> firs, heqs, and fish 19:28:08 <Alberth> and I am sure I missed one or two :p 19:29:12 <MNIM> lol 19:36:48 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:09 *** fjb__ [~frank@p5DDFDA69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:50 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5DDFEEE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:37 *** Intexon^ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:43 *** Moustachio [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:12:34 *** perk111 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 20:12:42 *** Dozz [~somebody@109.99.23.30] has joined #openttd 20:13:02 <Dozz> How to disable trains broking on the tracks? 20:13:19 <Yexo> set breakdowns to none in the difficulty window 20:14:05 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:11 <Dozz> thx 20:15:34 *** supermop__ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:16:05 *** MNIM [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:39 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 20:26:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:27:47 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ect207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 20:31:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: The Third Tiberium War - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 20:31:15 *** murr5y [~murray@46.137.137.140] has joined #openttd 20:31:17 *** ar3k [~ident@ect207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:31:18 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 20:33:46 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 20:36:39 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has joined #openttd 20:40:45 <Dozz> How can I replace vehicles with no more lifetime? 20:42:19 <Alberth> autoreplace 20:42:42 <Dozz> They weren't replaced 20:42:43 <Dozz> :| 20:43:16 <Alberth> you have to switch it on 20:43:44 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace 20:50:44 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:12 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has joined #openttd 20:59:59 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:01:21 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:14 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-030-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:06:10 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:10 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:01 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:48 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has joined #openttd 21:16:12 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:19:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009951.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:59 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think MB is overly convinced... 21:35:23 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:22 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 21:38:22 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:18 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:44:06 <Terkhen> good night 21:47:20 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:34 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B05BAC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:00 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 21:50:14 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:55:40 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:02 *** LordPixaII [~Pixa@79-74-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:11 *** __LN__ is now known as __ln__ 21:59:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:01:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.178.204] has joined #openttd 22:03:36 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:43 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 22:04:58 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06:35 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:25 *** Fuco [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:20:28 *** Fuco [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has quit [] 22:24:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:31:07 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.178.204] has joined #openttd 22:32:45 *** George is now known as Guest193 22:32:49 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:37:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.178.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:17 *** Guest193 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:57 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 22:48:48 *** Dozz [~somebody@109.99.23.30] has quit [] 22:49:06 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-102-211.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:52:40 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:35 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:05 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-81-250.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:52 *** supermop__ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop__] 22:58:52 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: The Third Tiberium War - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 23:01:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049532.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:01 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 23:15:57 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:39 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:29 *** perk111 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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