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doesn't reserve tracks properly 11:14:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CA87.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:19:34 <peter1138> hm 11:20:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D867.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i always forget the -j12 11:25:44 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:15 <dihedral> hoot hoot 11:56:23 <dihedral> ding ding ding ding ding 11:58:54 <MNIM> beep beep beep 12:00:32 *** nextinline [~nextinlin@99-185-39-47.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:43 <nextinline> i got a strange bug 12:01:21 <nextinline> for some reason, the volume's really low even when the computer's at 100 12:01:43 <V453000> and openttd volume? .. 12:01:53 <nextinline> where do i find that 12:02:07 <V453000> in the music menu in game 12:02:43 <nextinline> for some reason its at minimum thanks 12:03:05 *** nextinline 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http://narf-archive.com/pix/96f6bee30bd7fc28158450e89f5dc5b7f008c4a0.jpg (sfw) 12:55:59 *** LordAro [~LordAro@88-110-149-126.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it's skew (if that's the right word) 13:04:24 <LordAro> afternoon all 13:07:32 <Belugas> hello 13:15:05 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:18:17 <peter1138> http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/humans_get_your_ass_to_mars.png 13:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fairly useless to get humans on mars, i think we should rather get plants to mars, and let an ecosystem developed 13:23:03 <__ln__> do plants survive without animals? 13:26:16 <Eddi|zuHause> depends 13:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ones that grow blooms probably not. 13:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but to start up an ecology, you probably need more primitive ones 13:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the obvious first problem is the cold temperatures 13:28:25 <planetmaker> there are enough plants whose pollen carry by wind alone 13:28:34 <__ln__> and the lack of water 13:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> water might not be an immediate problem, so long as you have significant storages of oxygen and carbon atoms somewhere on the planet 13:30:46 <dihedral> cactus 13:31:06 <dihedral> well send a bottle of water every x years 13:31:30 <planetmaker> oxygen is there (that's why it's the red planet). Carbon... from the atmosphere. It's 95% CO2 13:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 13:31:59 <planetmaker> water... you have about a few µm of precipitation on Mars annually 13:32:30 <MNIM> You'll need bacteria and algae before big plants. 13:32:32 <planetmaker> compared to roughly a meter on Earth 13:32:54 <planetmaker> algae. lichen. They'll do for a starter indeed. 13:32:59 <MNIM> mostly because they're far more resilient, existing on both of our earth polar regions. 13:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the point is to get some sort of life cycle started, to build upon 13:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "life" in the sense of "processing chemicals" 13:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> with a few pointers from mankind to make a process that takes 5 billion years to complete in a few hundred 13:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause> bonus points for getting a breathable atmosphere 13:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but that might not be necessary 13:38:10 <planetmaker> yohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_trilogy :-) 13:38:17 <planetmaker> uhm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_trilogy 13:39:09 <planetmaker> recommended reading on that topic ;-) 13:40:36 <__ln__> if e.g. the chinese chose to start terraforming mars, would other countries object? 13:40:59 <Eddi|zuHause> countries will always object to anything... 13:43:52 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:48:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87.113.139.15] has joined #openttd 13:48:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87.113.139.15] has left #openttd [] 13:49:23 <__ln__> i would like the extra 39 minutes in a day that they have 13:49:37 <__ln__> the martians, not the chinese 13:54:08 <dihedral> just please leave japanese people here as they are damaging the earth anyway ... (more so than others at least :P) 13:54:08 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ece3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:57 <planetmaker> that's not even true, if you go by media coverage. 13:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> more often than not, mistakes and disasters bring further development than what would have happened otherwise 13:57:18 <Chris_Booth> if anything we should leave the canadians behind as they produce more CO2 and greenhouse gasses per person than any other nation in the world 13:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause> actually inhabitants of the gulf states have the highest ecological footprint on the planet 13:58:43 <Chris_Booth> are you sure about that Eddi|zuHause? 13:58:56 <TWerkhoven> isnt petrol less than 50p a litre there? 14:02:40 <Chris_Booth> http://www.breathingearth.net/ 14:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: ecological footprint in "global hectar (hag)" per inhabitant: http://www.arte.tv/i18n/Import/MOK/articles/21116/imagesmap/im__2111607/3687608,property=imageData,maxWidth=634,scale=unproportional,templateId=scaled,v=1,CmPart=com.arte-tv.www.jpg 14:03:03 <Chris_Booth> A cool animated website showing CO2 and birth rates 14:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> CO2 makes around 50% of the ecological footprint 14:04:30 <Chris_Booth> yes I missed them on my cool map I was looking at as ther are so small 14:23:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:29:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:29:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i am lacking an inspiration on what to do right now... 14:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> not getting anywhere with the level crossing reservation problem 14:31:01 <dihedral> find me a nice holiday for around oct/nov ? :-P 14:31:04 <dihedral> 14 days please 14:31:22 <dihedral> (and affordable) :-P 14:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> strange time for a holiday ;) 14:34:59 <dihedral> well - no chance in getting 14 days off any earlier 14:35:13 <Belugas> dihedral: come here :) I offer the bed, you offer the arms for basement painting and all ;) 14:35:22 <Alberth> dihedral: just quit your job :) 14:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: he already does that every half year :p 14:35:52 <dihedral> Belugas, that is honestly tempting 14:36:50 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, wrong :-P 14:36:56 <dihedral> has not happend in the last 6 months :-D 14:37:11 <dihedral> and i probably will not with this job either 14:40:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 14:42:44 *** ar3k [~ident@ece3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:42:47 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 14:44:25 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 14:46:11 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87.113.139.15] has joined #openttd 14:50:36 <andythenorth> why is alluke such an idiot? 14:51:34 <andythenorth> one of many unanswered questions in life :P 14:51:40 <andythenorth> the universe must know this stuff 14:51:59 <andythenorth> is there more information than there is universe? 14:52:35 <Belugas> dihedral, I'll allow you to get out of the basement at least once a day :) I'll drive you around on sundays as well 14:52:37 <Belugas> hehehe 14:52:59 <Belugas> alluke? on forums? 14:53:11 <andythenorth> yarp 14:53:14 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 14:56:03 <dihedral> "yarp" lol 14:56:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 14:57:18 <peter1138> hurr, my du --max-depth 1 hasn't finished :S 15:11:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.210.233] has quit [Quit: bbl] 15:12:19 <dihedral> lol 15:12:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:59 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44703&p=957110#p957110 <-- andythenorth ;-) 15:15:14 <andythenorth> he 15:15:26 <andythenorth> that's kind of what I wanted to say, except I would have been ruder 15:15:44 <andythenorth> I have history with that fine community member 15:16:16 <andythenorth> he accused me of discrimination - his claim was that FISH would support FIRS better than other sets iirc :P 15:16:20 <andythenorth> silly boy 15:16:47 <andythenorth> discrimination is (a) an exercise of taste in one meaning (b) a dangerous word to throw around loosely in its other meaning 15:17:05 * andythenorth back to work 15:17:32 <planetmaker> lool. Did he really hold that against you? 15:17:44 <planetmaker> oh my. Lost cause then 15:17:50 <andythenorth> he 15:18:52 <supermop> good morning 15:19:00 <andythenorth> hello super 15:21:36 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:24:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87.113.139.15] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:44:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i smell a spammer in the graphics forum 15:53:15 <supermop> spamming graphics? 15:53:33 <Chris_Booth> spam fritters? 16:00:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6480.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:27 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC536B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:03 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:23:45 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 16:25:13 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ece3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:39 *** ar3k [~ident@ecv212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:25:41 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 16:26:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:28:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0ed97.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:29:41 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-075-244-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:17 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 16:33:45 <LordAro> hi all 16:35:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust387.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:41 <LordAro> Alberth: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/link/1310570649#1310570649 <-- i can't be bothered to repeat myself, and get even more confused.. :L 16:51:08 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:59:49 *** Juo [~Juo@87-194-64-202.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Juo] 17:02:59 <__ln__> http://www.spotify.com/us/blog/archives/2011/07/14/hello-america-spotify-here/ 17:04:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:34 *** fjb is now known as Guest2137 17:14:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFEE6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:21:34 *** Guest2137 [~frank@p5DDFF30A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFEE6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:11 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2139 17:36:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87.113.139.15] has joined #openttd 17:36:46 <Alberth> LordAro: my version of GrfHasReadme() does not use data members of the class (that is, it does not use "this->"). It can thus be a static function, or a function outside the class, whatever you prefer. 17:37:39 <Alberth> as for making a flag in the newgrf structure, it is an interesting idea, but are you going to support multiple languages? 17:38:04 <LordAro> not yet :] 17:38:43 <LordAro> so i just do (e.g.) static bool GrfHasReadme(... ? 17:38:57 <Alberth> if you do, you're going to need a flag for every language, making it a non-optimal solution, imho 17:39:11 <Alberth> static should work 17:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: it could be a flag for "has at least english readme", and then dynamically check if translations are available when displaying the readme 17:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> or a very wide bitmask. 17:41:14 *** Guest2139 [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust387.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:25 <Alberth> just put the function somewhere. I don't know what the code will finally look like, and moving is pretty easy. 17:42:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22665 /trunk/src/lang/ (portuguese.txt romanian.txt): 17:42:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:42:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 5 changes by JayCity 17:42:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 5 changes by kkmic 17:42:17 * frosch123 ->DoSports() 17:42:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6480.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause> raise(ESportIstMord) 17:44:02 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: it may be useful for enabling/disabling the 'read the readme' button perhaps. 17:44:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: yes, for enabling that button, only knowledge of an english/fallback readme is relevant 17:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so you do not need a flag for each language 17:45:17 <Alberth> LordAro will keep it in mind :) 17:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause> upon clicking the button, it will search for a readme in the appropriate language, or show the fallback 17:45:40 *** Juo [~Juo@82.132.242.7] has joined #openttd 17:45:41 *** Juo [~Juo@82.132.242.7] has quit [] 17:46:02 <Alberth> why do people join and leave so fast? 17:46:20 <LordAro> will i? (keep it in mind? :) 17:47:23 <Alberth> of course! :D 17:47:48 <Alberth> I made a note too, in case you misplaced that information :) 17:47:53 <Alberth> Thanks Eddi 17:52:04 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-075-244-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:53:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-94-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:53:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFE077.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:13 <Wolf01> hello 17:55:08 <__ln__> , said Wolf01 17:57:58 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:03:11 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:12:01 * LordAro shoves the function in newgrf_config.cpp (for the record) 18:14:50 <Alberth> as long as it stays in your patch, it does not matter :) 18:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> how evil would it be to break all grfs which do ActionA replacement of level crossings? 18:18:22 <LordAro> gah, computer's too slow to compile and watch youtube at the same time >< :) 18:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. simply ignore that sprite) 18:19:24 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm18.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 18:19:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you mean the stupid pre-composited crossing sprite by any chance? 18:19:29 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause: would be funy IMO 18:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, that one. only allow the overlay-variant 18:19:55 <andythenorth> I proposed that earlier in the year :) 18:20:04 <andythenorth> when I dug into the crossing code, I thought it was a bit stupid 18:20:13 <andythenorth> I have n patches with different variations somewhere 18:20:36 <andythenorth> the cases for monorail and maglev suck I'm afraid 18:20:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: anyway, i updated the patch at the previous location, road vehicles should behave correctly now in both directions 18:21:06 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/crossings-ng-rails.png 18:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the default rails need additional overlay sprites 18:21:26 <andythenorth> let me get my head back into everything I learnt about this 18:21:32 <andythenorth> I spent about a day on it in the end 18:22:28 <andythenorth> there's an issue that the pbs overlay sprite is also stupid, as it includes sleepers but not ballast 18:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have some case where it doesn't reserve paths correctly 18:22:43 <andythenorth> the pbs overlay should just include rails, but there's some reason it can't 18:22:52 <andythenorth> there's a different edge case somewhere iirc 18:23:00 <andythenorth> I was proven wrong at the time :P 18:23:35 <andythenorth> I remember my goal 18:23:51 <andythenorth> it was to prevent tram crossings showing tarmac where there's no tarmac road bit on the tile 18:23:54 <Alberth> get rich and famous ? 18:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause> nah, you'll only have trouble with that 18:24:32 <andythenorth> I got this close: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/road-rail-crossing-10.png 18:25:09 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: anyway....do you need new sprites for diagonals? 18:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the diagonal sprites are ready 18:25:31 <andythenorth> oh how shiny 18:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> they are taken from Maedhros' old patch 18:25:42 <andythenorth> I didn't want to draw them...but I would if no-one else had :P 18:26:01 <LordAro> ahh! scary squirrel related error messages! http://pastebin.com/VAiCGTEY 18:26:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: do you need to eliminate that composite tile for your patch? As there is no diagonal 18:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the diagonal overlay sprites are here, if you want to take a look: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/diag_cross.png 18:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> all standard rails and their toyland counterpart 18:27:46 <andythenorth> so they're overlays 18:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> plus the lights 18:27:49 <andythenorth> not composited with road 18:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:28:00 <andythenorth> I wondered about two consecutive patches 18:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i thought better remove the composite variant completely 18:28:07 <andythenorth> one eliminating that tile entirely... 18:28:14 <andythenorth> and the diagonal patch 18:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yep 18:28:34 <Chris_Booth> ooh diagonal rail crossing shiny 18:28:36 <andythenorth> you have code for eliminating the composite tile? 18:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no 18:29:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i also have no overlay graphics for the straight rails 18:29:18 <andythenorth> let me see if I kept my patch :P 18:29:28 <andythenorth> it would be commit #3 for me 18:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> always keep your patches :p 18:30:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=52122&hilit=crossing 18:31:08 <LordAro> help me someone :) i haven't touched the squirrel files... 18:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: that's the kind of error you get from forgetting a ; in a header file 18:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause> or other syntax errors 18:35:50 <LordAro> i've looked... can someone check my patch file(s merged into one) : http://pastebin.com/Rvs73Ejq 18:36:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 18:38:50 *** MNIM2 [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line" 18:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: compiles fine here, until newgrf_config.cpp 18:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: try a make clean? 18:45:12 *** MNIM [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:52 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: done that :/ 19:10:17 <LordAro> the errors i posted happen in ai_instance.cpp 19:11:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-63-14.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:16:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:16:28 <fjb> cr instead of crlf or the other way round at the end of a line? 19:17:21 <Rubidium> ai_instance.cpp includes a hell of a lot of files, so a missing } or something can yield a gigantic amount of errors that seem totally unrelated 19:17:35 <Rubidium> the problem almost certainly is in one of the headers you changed 19:18:17 * LordAro checks again... 19:20:52 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:23:21 <Rubidium> can you show the diff? 19:25:22 <LordAro> http://pastebin.com/Rvs73Ejq 19:27:01 <Rubidium> 1) why the fileio_func.h inclusion in newgrf_config.h? 19:28:01 <Rubidium> 2) constants are, IMO, more types that functions so it should be in fileio_type.h (is it actually used?) 19:28:55 <Rubidium> 3) for what its worth, it compiles ai_instance.cpp fine for me 19:29:02 <Rubidium> maybe it's the wrong diff? 19:29:41 <LordAro> 1) for the GrfHasReadme function 19:30:07 <LordAro> 2) maybe, its not used (yet) so it shouldn't be too much bother :) 19:30:09 <Rubidium> but only the implementation needs it, so the .cpp that implements it needs to include it 19:30:40 <LordAro> 3) okay... thats odd :) 19:30:45 <Rubidium> not some header, because in that case basically all headers need to include all other headers which makes compiling really really slow 19:31:15 <LordAro> ok, i'll check that 19:35:09 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-075-244-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:26 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.66.145] has joined #openttd 19:50:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you want me to test your latest patch? 19:50:58 <andythenorth> where is it? 19:51:40 <supermop> new patch? 19:52:15 <andythenorth> crossings 20:01:19 *** Hellaciouss [Hellacious@pool-173-54-47-131.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:05 <supermop> cooool 20:04:11 <supermop> i tried making a spreadsheet of the different roadtype elements and superpositions i would like yesterday 20:04:29 <supermop> but got a little hung up on a philosophical/conceptual issue 20:05:08 <andythenorth> ? 20:05:51 <supermop> well if there are 3 possible bits 20:06:22 <supermop> i'm guessing you could have a matrix with 3 axes 20:06:46 <supermop> but what to put on each axis was the problem 20:06:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:22 <supermop> at first i decided to have the first axis be for the pavement type 20:07:41 <supermop> and the second for area (rural/urban etc) 20:07:51 <supermop> then the 3rd for power 20:08:05 <Hellaciouss> hmmm i dunno what grf is in this game but monorail systems attached to raw materials seem to make the producer of the raw material skyrocket in produced products per month 20:08:16 <supermop> ie, none, cable vault, trolley wire 20:08:18 <Hellaciouss> this coal mine has 1,400 coal a month production 20:08:47 <Hellaciouss> and everything else being used in conjuction with monorail has fairly high output 20:08:57 <Hellaciouss> anything with maglev or electric is normal 20:09:55 <Rubidium> a high station ration significantly increases the chance of production increases, regardless the behaviour is 'random' 20:10:29 <Rubidium> so even with perfect ratings an industry can close, or with the baddest rating it can get to maximum production 20:11:21 <Rubidium> although maglev should do better than monorail in creating high ratings 20:11:34 <Rubidium> but... new vehicles temporarily create a higher rating as well 20:11:58 <Rubidium> so the results might be skewed for some reason 20:12:23 <Rubidium> also lots of waiting cargo reduces the ratings significantly 20:12:39 <Hellaciouss> well nothing without monrail has an abnormal production rating 20:12:53 <Hellaciouss> everything monorail has pretty high production rating 20:13:17 <Hellaciouss> guess it's just a coincidence 20:14:55 <Rubidium> in any case, the industry code has no clue what kind of station receives the cargo. So it can't be coupled to the type of station (or railtype) 20:16:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6480.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:33 <Hellaciouss> just sayin, it's od that every single monorail connected facility has 3-4 times the production rate then any maglev or electic 20:17:46 <Hellaciouss> guess the stars just aligned 20:24:03 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 20:34:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:35:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Nekomaster is soooo thick 20:55:07 <planetmaker> anyway... good night all :-) 20:55:41 <andythenorth> :) 21:03:20 * andythenorth is rather glad that pikka has no shame about infringing copyright 21:03:24 <andythenorth> it makes TAI rather good 21:03:33 <andythenorth> although of no use if we need to maintain his set :P 21:03:34 <supermop> never used it 21:04:09 <Terkhen> good night 21:04:46 <andythenorth> good night 21:04:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87.113.139.15] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:14:52 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has joined #openttd 21:18:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6480.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:25 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:02 *** Wizzleby is now known as Guest2176 21:30:19 *** Fuco_ [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 21:30:20 *** Fuco_ [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has quit [] 21:32:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:40:13 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:07 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 21:52:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0ed97.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 21:53:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:55:21 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: The Third Tiberium War - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 21:56:59 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-075-244-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:04:17 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:08 <Wolf01> 'night 22:09:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-94-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:09:43 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:19 *** carter [~dunno@89.204.153.104] has joined #openttd 22:16:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:06 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:01:12 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC536B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:03:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:08:22 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:10:41 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:16 *** Nowaker [~nowaker@geozone.pl] has joined #openttd 23:13:18 <Nowaker> hi. anyone can tell me how to generate a map from heightmap on dedicated server? 23:13:46 <Nowaker> what the commands are. I couldn't find it in ottd wiki 23:16:26 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.66.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Nowaker: best if you generate the map on single player, and upload the scenario/savegame then onto the server 23:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea if there actually are commands 23:41:48 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 23:47:59 <Nowaker> Eddi|zuHause: I see. thanks