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00:06:11 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:07 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:17 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-077-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:24:39 <vargadanis> a small trick i just noticed.. I was 1 tile out from the 2nd industry... I placed a 1 tile station with CTRL pressed and attached to the other station and now the 1st station accepts what is needed by the 2nd indu 00:29:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:32:02 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:33:55 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:57:14 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has joined #openttd 00:58:24 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:08:17 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:29 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has joined #openttd 01:16:39 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083446.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 01:31:52 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:53:25 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:43 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:16:43 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 02:19:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:39:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 03:10:13 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:59 *** kais58 [~kais58@baud.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:01 *** kais58 [~kais58@baud.org.uk] has joined #openttd 03:45:14 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:06:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5882:6471:d16b:c3df] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:09:45 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:35 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:27:54 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:06 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has joined #openttd 05:51:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74A93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:26:24 *** Runner [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:50 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:31 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:32:40 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:39:28 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:58:36 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 08:00:37 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:15:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 08:18:43 *** Leroot [Leroy@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:24:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:26:18 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:41:09 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:43 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 09:18:07 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:25:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:40 <peter1138> merry christmas 09:48:11 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:10 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:30 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:03:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 10:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1C359uhRWs&feature=player_embedded :) 10:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIxkMlaDTHI&feature=relmfu 10:34:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:35:02 <Wolf01> hohoho merry xmas to all 10:35:22 <appe> :) 10:35:52 <peter1138> hello 10:36:18 <appe> hiya peter. 10:36:23 <appe> had a good christmas? 10:36:32 <appe> oh wait, some countries still have christmas eve 10:37:07 <Wolf01> some countries have today and tomorrow instead of yesterday :P 10:37:43 <peter1138> yup 10:37:54 <peter1138> no point rushing it 10:37:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:04 <appe> hehe 10:38:04 <appe> sweden reserved the 24:th. 10:40:53 <peter1138> hmm, suddenly explosion of stickied 32bpp threads :S 10:40:56 <peter1138> -ly 10:44:08 * peter1138 ponders working on ez sprites again 10:45:23 <appe> peter1138: isnt this a day for ..not openttd related stuff? 10:45:41 * appe hands ginger bread 10:46:40 <peter1138> what? why? 10:48:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A3AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:36 <appe> no, no particular reason. im just trying to insert ginger bread in your sprites 10:59:08 <peter1138> i don't make sprites 11:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> germany is the worst... we have christmas eve, christmas day, and 2nd christmas day.... 11:07:15 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC23ECB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:26 <peter1138> boxing day 11:09:56 <appe> oh 11:09:58 <appe> :D 11:16:51 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:27 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083446.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:16:37 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC23ECB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 12:17:07 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-98-205.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:16 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-66-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:40 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:06 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 12:36:08 <vargadanis> hi! 12:36:31 <vargadanis> I have a little problem which I demonstrate on this image: http://i39.tinypic.com/2vwz8tk.jpg 12:37:22 <vargadanis> this is a station that can be loaded from both sides and trains tend to turn around and create a hook which blocks all incoming and outgoung traffic 12:37:33 <vargadanis> is there any way to get around this? 12:38:37 <peter1138> use path signals 12:39:06 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57875 12:40:04 <Progman> vargadanis: isn't there a track piece missing at the left on the lower junction? 12:40:37 <peter1138> vargadanis, follow the signal layout that pikkabird gives 12:40:59 <vargadanis> Progman, there is thanks for pointing it out however the train was comging from the 3rd station should have made a difference in this case 12:41:13 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:41:44 <Progman> what about the "allow turn in station" setting? 12:42:01 <vargadanis> it is turned on 12:42:08 <vargadanis> trains do get sometimes turn around 12:42:38 <vargadanis> peter1138, does this signal layout make any difference? 12:42:49 <vargadanis> I could try it see what happens 12:42:50 <peter1138> yes 12:43:44 <peter1138> one of the concepts of path signals is safe waiting points 12:44:11 <peter1138> only place signals where trains can wait safely 12:44:20 <peter1138> safe in this context means without blocking other routes 12:44:46 <peter1138> your trains may end up waiting in the station slightly longer when it's busy, but they shouldn't block each other like that 12:45:18 <vargadanis> sweet thank you 12:45:40 <vargadanis> I just "transformed" that station 12:45:56 <vargadanis> as well I forgot to place 2 exist signals on the further end of the 4 tracks 12:46:08 <vargadanis> so that kinda screwed it up too 12:46:29 <vargadanis> my delivered cargo graph is scillating that is a good indication something is Fd up :) 12:46:51 <vargadanis> btw this layout seems to be easier to look over 12:47:00 <vargadanis> less cluttering 12:50:28 *** Svish [~torleif85@ti0009a380-dhcp1384.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:51:04 *** Svish is now known as Guest21674 12:51:35 *** Guest21674 is now known as Svish 12:52:38 <vargadanis> awesome... I can see the actual throughput of the station increase 12:53:07 <Svish> These two-ended train sets, do they have twice the power they say they have? Or said in a different way, when I have two train engines in the same train, is it good to replace those two with a single two-ended engine? Or should I have two of them (taking up 4 slots rather than 2) to have the same "effect"? 12:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that was changed back and forth a few times... 12:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> to double check, build such a train, and look in the train details (there are both ends summed up) 12:54:59 <Svish> also, if I use the replace feature, will it create two double-ended engines if I have two single-ended ones? 12:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 12:55:08 <Svish> ah ok 12:55:17 <Svish> should be a an option to change that perhaps 12:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but how to do it properly, so the next person won't request a slightly different behaviour again next week? 12:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> see the various threads about consist-replacing 13:00:59 <Svish> I think it should just be an option in the replace dialog. some checkboxes or something. Retain number of engines or something 13:07:04 <TrueBrain> # Surfin' USA 13:07:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and the next person wants to retain the first or the last wagon, or add new wagons, or choose a refit option, or ... 13:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: typical christmas song? 13:08:18 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, the final power wasn't changed, just the way it's used in the vehicles 13:08:36 <peter1138> then it became irrelevant because bjarni disallowed dual head parts to be split up 13:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i meant whether half or full power is displayed in the purchase menu 13:09:52 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I guess 13:09:57 <peter1138> full i think 13:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that was fun in TTO when you reached the wagon limit, you could build half TGV and half EuroStar :) 13:12:43 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:43 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:44 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:46 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:48 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:51 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:51 <Svish> Eddi|zuHause: all those should be options in the replace menu I think, per replace "order". would also be cool if I could tell a single train to "add two wagons of type x to yourself the next time you get service" 13:12:53 <TrueBrain> and there goes the coop server once again 13:12:53 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:04 <TrueBrain> stability: E 13:13:08 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:16 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Svish: but then you get so many options that the GUI will be incomprehensible 13:13:55 <Svish> i guess 13:14:29 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:42 <Svish> anyways, another question, I started a multiplayer game, but I'd like to change one of the advanced options. Can I do that somehow? It's locked in the options tree 13:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> only by quitting, loading in single player, changing, loading in multiplayer again 13:21:27 <Svish> ok. that seems to have worked :) 13:42:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:53:10 <Svish> what is an Implicit order? 13:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a record of stops the train has made which you did not order 13:58:54 <Svish> aha 14:02:29 <Ardonel> Merry Christmas all. 14:02:53 <vargadanis> Svish, if you set the order to be non-stop, the implicit orders will go away 14:02:55 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:03:16 <vargadanis> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=153575&sid=27302217dbf184277a9ac274e5ead2c6 14:03:25 <vargadanis> ^ that works very well 14:03:26 *** ^Spike^- [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:03:26 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:04:27 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:04:27 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:04:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 14:05:26 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:05:26 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:05:26 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:05:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 14:06:26 *** Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:06:26 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:06:26 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:06:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by ChanServ 14:06:56 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:21:26 *** ^Spike^- is now known as ^Spike^ 14:22:55 <Svish> vargadanis: what's that? 14:24:23 <Rubidium> his forum session to hijack ;) 14:53:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:841:4413:e53d:712e] has joined #openttd 14:53:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:55:42 *** JoeyJo0 [~JoeyJo0@D978094C.cm-3-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:50 <JoeyJo0> Hey there. 14:56:15 <JoeyJo0> I have a question regarding trains and its silly pathfinding. I can provide a screenshot in a moment. 14:57:48 <JoeyJo0> So, I'm using a 2-line system, up and down, quite standard. 14:58:22 <JoeyJo0> And there is this junction that switches from 2 lines to 4 lines, of which 2 lines go to Station A and 2 go to Station B. 14:58:34 <JoeyJo0> I've ordered the train to go to station A, but it keeps going to station B. 14:59:05 <JoeyJo0> I'm preparing the screenshot now. 15:02:16 <JoeyJo0> Wait, nevermind. It was a pathfinding error caused by an unreachable order. 15:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> for pathfinding problems, screenshots are usually useless 15:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause> savegames are necessary 15:03:23 <JoeyJo0> Still, it might've been an incorrectly placed sign. 15:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause> or a track that is not electrified, or a wrong waypoint, or ... 15:05:09 <JoeyJo0> All my tracks are electrified. 15:05:18 <JoeyJo0> I've never placed non-electrified tracks. 15:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, but we don't know that 15:06:00 <JoeyJo0> True. 15:07:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the weirdest pathfinding problem i have seen was some guy who had trains running in circles 15:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> turned out the penalty for full platforms was higher than going around enough circles to reach 10 signals 15:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> (after 10 signals, track reservation is not accounted for anymore) 15:09:44 <JoeyJo0> So, he had a track going round and he wanted to have a train bouncing between two stations? 15:10:48 <JoeyJo0> Argh, I hate it when local authorities refuse to allow me to wreck streets ;/ 15:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> JoeyJo0: he had a terminus station with waiting tracks before it 15:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> JoeyJo0: and when the station was full, the trains did not wait in the waiting tracsk 15:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> but kept going in circles 15:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> until one platform was free again, then they happily waited 15:13:21 <JoeyJo0> That's strange. 15:13:35 <JoeyJo0> I like my relatively simple system. 15:21:38 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:58 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@54699639.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:22 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:40:56 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:58 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:58 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:58 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:58 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:59 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:59 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:26 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:29 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:38 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:13 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:51 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... i was just wondering why i can't reach devzone :p 15:48:11 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:49:06 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:49:09 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:49:35 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 15:50:08 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:50:38 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:50:38 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:50:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 15:51:38 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:51:38 *** Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:51:38 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:51:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by ChanServ 15:52:08 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:55:27 *** weirdy [~weirdy@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:55:32 <weirdy> Hey 15:56:54 <weirdy> ah, problem solved itself naturally 15:58:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:01:26 <vargadanis> I have another problem demonstrated on this picture: http://i41.tinypic.com/zwc283.png 16:01:42 <vargadanis> the power plant isn't accepting anything, how could that be? 16:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause> not all tiles of the power station accept coal, use the [?] tool 16:03:42 <weirdy> I'd always ensure that stations are as close to the industry as possible. 16:07:03 <vargadanis> Eddi|zuHause, you were right, the tiles I had the stations on didn't accept coal :s 16:07:25 <vargadanis> I placed another station to overlap not connected to the roads with CTRL pressed and it solved the problem 16:07:35 <vargadanis> gonna have to pay more attention next time 16:10:55 <JoeyJo0> I'm dealing with a quantum train here. 16:11:04 <JoeyJo0> As long as I observe it, it chooses the right path. 16:11:16 <JoeyJo0> But once I don't watch it, it goes in directions it shouldn't go. 16:30:39 *** weirdy [~weirdy@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 16:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a Heisentrain 16:41:24 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:13 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:00:16 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 17:01:41 *** kuch3n [~kuch3n@static.67.155.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:05 *** kuch3n [~kuch3n@static.67.155.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has left #openttd [] 17:03:56 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-177-108.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:05:19 <vargadanis> finally found a way to compete with admiralAI :) 17:05:38 <vargadanis> quite a challenge :) 17:10:37 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:42 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:42 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:42 *** Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:57 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:47 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:12 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:15 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:18 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:20 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:07 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:09 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@231.146.broadband11.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:15:39 <SmatZ_> so... I actually bought a game... for mere ~12Eur... and my silly DVD drive fails to read it :( 17:15:50 <SmatZ_> so I have to get it "ilegally" anyway... 17:16:31 <SmatZ_> it's even worse than the last time I bought a DVD movie 17:16:38 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that should teach you :p 17:16:51 <SmatZ_> where it failed only at few places, where the movie got stuck... 17:16:55 <Wolf01> I once bought a game but the DRM don't let me to play it with wine, so I have to play the russian version which is DRM free 17:16:59 <SmatZ_> but this time, it won't even detect the DVD... 17:17:02 <SmatZ_> hehe :) 17:33:29 <Elukka> i had to torrent victoria 2 to be able to play it with a friend because the steam version i had bought didn't work 17:33:49 <Elukka> legal download of some train sim didn't work either... 17:34:49 <Elukka> windows insisted i hadn't bought it one time too and was very smug about it 17:49:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-155-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:58 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-155-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 17:59:20 <JoeyJo0> Is there a way to quickly close all windows? 17:59:43 <Rubidium> (shift +) delete 17:59:50 <JoeyJo0> Ahh, thanks. 18:00:17 <JoeyJo0> My screen usually gets really cluttered when routing trains. 18:04:22 *** XaTriX [5b791789@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:42 <XaTriX> hi 18:04:49 <XaTriX> ottd are unique threaded no ? 18:05:36 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-155-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:08 <Rubidium> XaTriX: that's debatable 18:08:29 <XaTriX> im talking about serv prog 18:09:37 <Rubidium> then it's still debatable 18:09:44 <XaTriX> :p 18:10:05 <Rubidium> e.g. savegame compression happens in a separate thread, so it's not 100% single threaded 18:10:14 <XaTriX> oukey 18:10:50 <XaTriX> so it didnt use the power of multicores ? 18:15:19 <Rubidium> as I said, it's debatable 18:22:24 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:46 <XaTriX> okay :p 18:23:41 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:07 <XaTriX> in fact its to choose a proc to host a game, and know if quad (or more) is good or not.. 18:24:43 <XaTriX> because with IS+ECS (and more) its use a lot of proc power.. 18:24:44 <Rubidium> chose one that is slower than the clients you want to be able to join 18:25:23 <Rubidium> anything faster than the CPU of the clients will disconnect the clients for lagging behind when the game gets crowded 18:25:36 <XaTriX> hmm 18:25:55 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-147-193.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 18:26:06 <Rubidium> the server and clients calculate the whole game state, but the clients also have to handle drawing 18:26:52 <XaTriX> even with good cpu the server lag with a lot of trains (400+) 18:26:59 <XaTriX> "good" 18:28:54 <XaTriX> = middle cpu (delete "even") .. my english.. is like my president.. 18:37:40 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:38:01 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:38:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:39:00 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:39:08 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:39:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 18:39:31 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:39:52 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:39:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:39:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 18:40:02 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-155-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:21 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:40:21 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:40:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:40:51 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:40:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by ChanServ 18:40:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23671 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 18:40:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:40:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hebrew - 1 changes by rril 18:40:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: indonesian - 10 changes by fanioz 18:40:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: korean - 123 changes by telk5093 18:40:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:40:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 32 changes by nglekhoi 18:41:40 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-178-009-012-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:05 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-147-193.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:43:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23672 /trunk/src/lang/korean.txt: -Fix: WT3 validation failure 18:45:26 <JoeyJo0> I hate it when trains get stuck ;/ 18:45:33 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-147-193.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:42 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:38 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-147-193.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [] 18:48:20 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:31 <Terkhen> hello :) 18:51:12 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-178-009-012-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:52:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:26:36 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:37 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:43:44 <vargadanis> ohh wow 19:44:23 <vargadanis> I purched one of the competitor AIs network all together and i suddenly got 500 vechicles 19:44:30 <vargadanis> that qty is unmanagable 19:44:53 <Alberth> :D 19:45:40 <andythenorth> bon noel 19:49:01 <andythenorth> anybody like to help me with some CPP? 19:49:12 <andythenorth> nothing says 'christmas' like a pre-processor 19:49:33 <Alberth> #define CHRISTMAS 1 19:49:45 <andythenorth> hmm 19:49:54 <andythenorth> now concatenate that with another string? 19:50:00 <andythenorth> like 'HAPPY_' 19:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> with ## 19:50:27 <Alberth> ## iirc, but only in replacement context 19:50:48 <andythenorth> so I have #define THIS_VEH_ID veh_truck_test 19:51:10 <andythenorth> and I also want to define switch_articulated_veh_truck_test 19:51:17 * Alberth opens a terminal and an editor 19:51:42 <andythenorth> I als want to define str_name_veh_truck_test 19:51:48 <Alberth> bummer, x.cpp already exists :p 19:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: CETS does that 19:52:08 <andythenorth> so does FIRS but I don't understand it :P 19:52:25 <andythenorth> if I learn it from scratch for BANDIT, I might be able to understand FIRS :D 19:52:27 <Eddi|zuHause> file.write('#define VEH_ID(...) %s_%s_%s ## __VA_ARGS__\n'%(comp, ident, i)) 19:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> and then you write VEH_ID(test) etc. 19:53:05 <andythenorth> you were asleep during the lecture about 'code generators are evil' ? :P 19:53:39 <Alberth> no, /me likes evil toys :D 19:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> there's no place else where i can live out my evil side :p 19:54:35 * andythenorth didn't do comp sci 19:54:41 <andythenorth> I had to learn about evil by doing it 19:54:57 <andythenorth> I don't think I'll write a code generator again 19:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> just "#define VEH_ID(...) veh_truck_test ## __VA_AGRS__" 19:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and then "VEH_ID(switch_articulated)" 19:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> or "VEH_ID()" 19:55:56 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/865/ 19:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> or "VEH_ID(name)" 19:56:10 <JoeyJo0> Preprocessors, eh? You should use #define ; ;fork(); 19:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> JoeyJo0: just we're not writing C code 19:57:01 <JoeyJo0> :( 19:57:28 <JoeyJo0> There's a fork() in C++ too. 19:57:42 <Eddi|zuHause> JoeyJo0: we're not writing C++ code either 19:57:52 <Alberth> there is not, it's a library :) 19:57:53 <JoeyJo0> <andythenorth> anybody like to help me with some CPP? 19:57:56 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:58 <Svish> hm. is there a way to prevent unused industries from dying off? can't get to all of them at once kind of, and would like there to still be industries around when I get to them :p 19:59:05 <Terkhen> C preprocessor 19:59:12 <andythenorth> Svish: use an industry newgrf 19:59:28 <andythenorth> you'll have to start a new game though :| 19:59:28 <Terkhen> != C++ 19:59:28 <JoeyJo0> Svish, in my world, industry closes as much as opens. 19:59:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:59:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: take this excerpt from CETS (after code generation): http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/866/ 20:00:15 <andythenorth> yeah that's perfect 20:00:16 <andythenorth> thanks 20:00:46 <Svish> JoeyJo0: ah, maybe that happens here too, just that I don't notice... 20:00:50 <Svish> andythenorth: what's that? 20:01:09 <andythenorth> Svish: from the in-game content service 20:01:20 <andythenorth> try Manual Industries, or OpenGFX+ Industries 20:02:22 <Alberth> Svish: the game tries to maintain a balance by opening new ones, which works quite nicely, unless you play in a large world with lots of industries, then it cannot keep up 20:02:45 <JoeyJo0> Alberth: I'm in a large world, it keeps up fine. 20:03:29 <Alberth> Svish: or if you want a totally different set of industries, you can play FIRS, which does not close industries by default 20:03:54 <andythenorth> FIRS is much bigger http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=point_6_release 20:04:02 <Alberth> JoeyJo0: ok, could be, I only tested the case where you literally service no industry at all. 20:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ECS has parameters for not closing industries 20:04:46 <Alberth> Svish: FYI: ECS is also an industry set :) 20:05:49 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/brickland/Ingame.5.png <- pompiedom 20:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we were at that stage 3 years ago already :) 20:09:00 <Svish> aha, cool 20:09:07 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yup :) 20:09:14 <TrueBrain> at least I can now press the button and get those sprites :P 20:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> but... they're still not cubicles! :p 20:10:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:37 <vargadanis> wow FIRS looks pretty neat 20:13:46 <vargadanis> is it downloadable with online content thing? 20:13:51 <Terkhen> yup 20:14:16 <vargadanis> so the new indu types will be turned on too such as the bauxite mine or the fishing grounds/ 20:14:18 <vargadanis> ? 20:15:14 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-107-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:16 <andythenorth> vargadanis: I would wait a couple of days before trying FIRS 20:15:24 <andythenorth> new version gets released in the next few days 20:16:06 *** TWerkhoven2[l] is now known as TWerkhoven[l] 20:16:46 <Alberth> vargadanis: don't forget to load a newgrf for the new cargoes too 20:17:03 <andythenorth> [vehicle newgrf] 20:17:17 <vargadanis> okkay I can wait :) 20:17:28 <vargadanis> thx 4 tip 20:17:31 *** Leroot [Leroy@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 20:17:58 <andythenorth> new FIRS has about 500 improvements compared to version on content service 20:18:11 <vargadanis> wow 20:18:25 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-136-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:31 <vargadanis> devs must have put a xxxx amount of work into it 20:20:28 <andythenorth> some 20:20:40 <andythenorth> some work 20:20:46 <andythenorth> not some devs :P 20:23:17 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-107-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:56 <Alberth> vargadanis: andythenorth is the main author of FIRS :) 20:25:03 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-109-23.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:25:25 <andythenorth> hmm 20:25:30 <andythenorth> can CPP pre-pend a string? 20:25:45 <andythenorth> otherwise my text identifiers will be things like 'veh_truck_test_str_name' 20:25:50 <andythenorth> which isn't good nml style :P 20:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, why is that relevant? 20:26:05 <SpComb> like FOO # _bar? 20:26:21 <Eddi|zuHause> just put the __VA_ARGS__ before the ## 20:26:41 <SpComb> *## 20:28:17 <andythenorth> hmm 20:29:47 <andythenorth> sprites/nml/test_vehicle.pnml:1:66: error: '##' cannot appear at either end of a macro expansion 20:29:53 <andythenorth> #define THIS_VEH_ID(...) veh_truck_test __VA_ARGS__ ## 20:30:06 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:30:19 <SpComb> it pastes two adjacent tokens together 20:30:23 <SpComb> infix-style op 20:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no 20:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the ## must be between the two strings you want to connect 20:31:08 <andythenorth> thanks 20:31:09 <andythenorth> fixed 20:31:15 <SpComb> but, uh, not sure how that'd work with something like __VA_ARGS__ that expands to multiple words 20:31:42 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:06 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21708 20:32:06 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:32 *** Guest21708 [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:42 <andythenorth> hmm 20:32:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:33:04 <andythenorth> I don't suppose cpp has equivalent of str.upper() ? 20:33:04 <vargadanis> ohh... didn't know he was DA man behind the project 20:33:08 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:18 <vargadanis> andythenorth, nope but let me double chk 20:34:04 <vargadanis> andythenorth, nope... 20:34:10 <vargadanis> the built in strings do not support that 20:34:24 <andythenorth> hmm 20:34:26 <vargadanis> many C++ dever uses boost lib 20:34:36 <vargadanis> that does have it 20:34:50 <andythenorth> my nml string identifiers will have to be lower case 20:34:58 <andythenorth> doesn't bother me too much 20:35:17 <vargadanis> tho a simple macro could do it 20:35:43 <Rubidium> too bad that nforenum and grfcodec don't support boost 20:36:01 <andythenorth> too much magic = more time spent debugging the magic than the actual grf code :D 20:36:13 <vargadanis> andythenorth, you would want all the letters be uppercase, right? 20:36:19 <andythenorth> yup 20:36:40 <andythenorth> but the initial strings I'm concatenating are lower 20:36:52 <vargadanis> I'd happily put together something 20:37:31 <andythenorth> nah don't worry 20:37:40 <andythenorth> it's only a matter of nml style 20:38:45 <Rubidium> maybe you can bug a nml dev about adding a toupper for variable names ;) 20:39:07 <SpComb> cpp = C preprocessor? 20:39:11 <andythenorth> yup 20:39:41 <SpComb> it can't uppercase, thankfully :) 20:39:57 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:41:27 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-136-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:27 *** Svish [~torleif85@ti0009a380-dhcp1384.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-178-006-058-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:34 <andythenorth> 80 chars? 20:50:40 <andythenorth> not enough for my comments :P 20:52:08 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-243.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:55:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@109.176.212.71] has joined #openttd 20:55:17 <andythenorth> hmm 20:55:31 <andythenorth> air drag co-efficient 20:55:34 <andythenorth> should I? 20:57:32 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-178-006-058-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-118-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:58:42 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-109-23.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@109.176.212.71] has quit [] 21:00:59 <vargadanis> will it count how aerodynamic the trains are? 21:01:12 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-243.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: for trucks that's usually pretty high 21:01:48 <andythenorth> that's what made me think of it 21:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but also usually does not matter much, because of low speed 21:01:55 <andythenorth> and some trucks are more aero than others 21:02:02 <andythenorth> it affects fuel economy not speed 21:02:12 <andythenorth> I can fake it by run cost better 21:02:27 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-119-183.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:02:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the effect is much more noticeable the higher the speed 21:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> like the steam engines in the 1930s, when streamlining was "in" 21:03:25 <andythenorth> noticeable at 65mph? 21:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the fuel consumption only balanced the increased maintenance effort beyond 130km/h 21:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and hardly any steam engines actually went that fast 21:04:16 <andythenorth> @calc 130/1.6 21:04:17 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 81.25 21:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> in typical service 21:04:25 <andythenorth> I think I'll ignore that prop :) 21:06:01 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-147-193.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:08 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-147-193.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [] 21:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the fastest german steam train in regular operation was the Henschel-Wegmann-Zug in the late 30s, which had a scheduled top speed of 160km/h and average speed of 111km/h on the line Berlin-Dresden 21:07:16 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-118-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-95-95.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> a speed record not even broken by the ICE on the same route 21:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (although that is due to an additional stop) 21:09:39 <Rubidium> so it's not on the route where a stop is regularly forgotten? 21:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no 21:10:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that is Berlin-Hannover (with stops alternating in Stendal and Wolfsburg) 21:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that track is weird anyway 21:11:47 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-119-183.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a remnant of a "transit route" from west germany to west berlin, avoiding the major east german cities inbetween 21:12:52 <Rubidium> it's not such a busy route though 21:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the traditional route used to be Hannover-Braunschweig-(border)-Magdeburg-Potsdam-(border)-Berlin(west) 21:13:37 <Eddi|zuHause> which is further south 21:14:30 <Rubidium> as there's more than enough time to drive for a while "against" the traffic there (to go to Stendal) 21:15:13 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-110-45.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:25 <LordAro> good evening 21:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Stendal is a rather minor town which happened to be along the track after it was planned in the late 80s 21:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause> in a rather less densely populated area 21:17:15 <Rubidium> evening LordAro 21:17:42 <LordAro> hi Rubidium 21:17:51 <Rubidium> ah well, my (usual) train stops in all those lesser towns 21:17:58 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-78-149-95-149.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and Wolfsburg isn't that big either, only relevant because of the VW factory 21:19:08 <insulfrog> hi all 21:19:41 <Rubidium> yup, their test track is pretty close to the tracks 21:20:13 <Rubidium> anyhow, the ICE isn't significantly faster/more comfortable for my 'usual' long distance trip to Berlin 21:21:05 <APTX> going to berlin tomorrow? 21:21:28 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:21:43 <Rubidium> nope 21:23:01 <Rubidium> I'd be a whopping 8 minutes faster for a ~6 hour trip 21:23:43 <__ln__> btw, does VW have any bus/truck type products? 21:24:09 <andythenorth> __ln__: in Brazil yes 21:24:36 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Trucks_and_Buses 21:24:48 <andythenorth> why do I know this stuff :P 21:25:18 <andythenorth> also, Germany is weird :P 21:25:23 <andythenorth> wrt transport routes 21:25:23 <__ln__> nice 21:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it's not a route i usually would travel :p 21:26:01 * andythenorth lives in a country where nearly all routes go via the capital city 21:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that's because germany had no capital city in the 1840s 21:26:35 <Rubidium> poor andythenorth ;) 21:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> when the railway network was developed 21:26:50 <andythenorth> it makes route finding easy :P 21:27:00 <Rubidium> even here many major routes don't go to the capital 21:27:13 <andythenorth> all destinations are via London, or on the way to London, or on the way from London :P 21:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well holland is small, so direct routes are more common :) 21:27:46 <Rubidium> even the international train to Berlin doesn't start in the capital; it starts at the airport and stops at some of the "outer" stations of the capital 21:28:04 <andythenorth> see - weird 21:28:26 <andythenorth> France - everything is wrt Paris, except the cote d'azur bit 21:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Amsterdam is weirder than Berlin, certainly :) 21:28:59 <andythenorth> spain, everything is wrt Madrid 21:29:06 <andythenorth> Italy - weird 21:29:18 <andythenorth> Switzerland very weird 21:29:24 <andythenorth> Austria weird 21:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no knowledge about the italian train network 21:29:32 <andythenorth> USA - screamingly insane 21:29:40 <andythenorth> India - very weird 21:29:48 <MNIM> eddi: nor did it have a capital in the last century 21:29:55 * MNIM looks at the berlin wall 21:30:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: well, Italians don't have much knowledge about their train network either 21:30:57 <__ln__> in my experience italian trains worked very nicely, which is odd, because it's italy after all. 21:31:33 <andythenorth> Italian railways run on Indian time in my experience 21:33:05 * MNIM tries to refrain from a Mussolini comment 21:33:15 <LordAro> ^^ 21:34:07 <andythenorth> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IST 21:44:04 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 21:51:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC22FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:51 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:51 <LordAro> night all 22:15:24 <planetmaker> g'night LordAro 22:15:47 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-110-45.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."] 22:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> # ich wollte dir nur mal eben sagen 22:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause> # daà du das gröÃte fÃŒr mich bist 22:28:57 <andythenorth> ow 22:29:21 <andythenorth> trucks are governed by a complex mix of regulation, which dictates length, number of axles etc 22:29:32 * andythenorth ignores most of that :P 22:30:49 *** XaTriX [5b791789@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:50:05 <andythenorth> bye 22:50:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:54:43 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0013f7fc9e20-CM0013f7fc9e1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:55:03 <Snail_> hello all 22:58:35 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:00:22 *** snorre [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:54 <planetmaker> hello Snail_ 23:01:01 <insulfrog> cyas 23:01:03 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-78-149-95-149.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 23:01:30 <Snail_> hey there 23:02:45 <Snail_> just curious... have you ever tried to use the current grfcodec (5.1.3) with the new maintenance factor settings for tracks? 23:05:46 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:07:49 <Terkhen> good night 23:10:23 * planetmaker hasn't 23:11:34 <Snail_> planetmaker: I see, thanks 23:12:11 <Snail_> I just tried to code it with grfcodec (latest version) and it resulted in a linter failure, think I'll just post it on the forums 23:20:41 <Wolf01> 'night 23:20:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:26:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A3AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:09 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:34:58 *** sockmeistr [~jonathan@87-194-116-84.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:37:35 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:39:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Snail_: that's nforenum then 23:44:18 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:49:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:49:59 *** snorre [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:51:46 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:31 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@231.146.broadband11.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit []