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00:37:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@cpc5-reig5-2-0-cust81.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:27 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:57 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 00:44:36 *** MrSikorski [~ferro@190.194.99.117] has joined #openttd 00:45:22 <MrSikorski> hello :) 01:00:15 *** Supercheese_ [~chatzilla@50-37-106-142.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:28 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-100-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:09:34 *** kamil [kamil@orchia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:58 <Supercheese_> "local_authority_impact | 0 ... 65525 | amount of happiness increase of the city council, if the building is destroyed " 01:31:07 <Supercheese_> Shouldn't that be DEcrease, not increase? 01:38:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:38:33 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD5B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:10 *** Supercheese_ [~chatzilla@50-37-106-142.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 01:42:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 01:52:51 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:54:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:21 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 02:00:59 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:01:08 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 02:43:01 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3900:9b7:bffc:4925] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:00:00 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:31 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 04:18:26 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 04:20:44 <Supercheese> Hehe, test version of WIRES.grf functional! 04:21:05 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:43 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-121-32.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:49:34 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 04:51:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C78C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:57:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DDD0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:08:05 *** Maya [~history@pdbn-4d08cd01.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 05:11:57 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-60-175.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 05:14:04 *** Aztec [~history@pdbn-5d8246b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:27:37 <Supercheese> Hmm, what do y'all think the price_factor for electricity should be w.r.t. the other cargos? 05:27:44 <Supercheese> 1/10th? 05:28:17 <Supercheese> FIRS has stuff from the 70s-100s 05:28:37 <Supercheese> 70s-140s* 05:32:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD5B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5DC67BA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:06 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:35:09 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest1552 06:35:09 *** Guest1552 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:10 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:35:10 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 06:48:04 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:49:39 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:54:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:41 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 06:55:57 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:10:02 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-147.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:13:53 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@79-68-98-39.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:14:54 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.78.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:04 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-147.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:38 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 07:52:27 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:06 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:07:47 <Terkhen> good morning 08:08:40 <NGC3982> szaman: "w.r.t"? 08:08:43 <NGC3982> su.. 08:09:05 <NGC3982> Bah, ignore on modes, nicks, parts and quits can be annoying. 08:19:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:22:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:42:06 <planetmaker> moin 08:42:42 <planetmaker> dihedral, how's actually progress with joan and grapes? :-) 08:42:44 <NGC3982> Morning. 08:43:06 <NGC3982> Im about to make first first intraweb site. Any rules i should consider while giving it a version number? 08:43:10 <NGC3982> 0.0.x? 08:43:36 <planetmaker> whatever rule suits you, I'd say 08:43:40 <Terkhen> good morning planetmaker :) 08:44:11 <planetmaker> hey Terkhen :-) 08:44:58 <NGC3982> planetmaker: Ah, so there are no particular settings for standard programming? 08:45:22 <planetmaker> do the standards matter if they make you unhappy? ;-) 08:46:09 <NGC3982> Very true. 08:46:18 * NGC3982 uses 0.0.x. 08:47:13 <Terkhen> major.minor.release works fine, but I don't know any other numbering schemes :P 08:48:04 <NGC3982> :) 08:48:27 <NGC3982> x.x.x allows 729 changes, right? 08:48:37 <planetmaker> Terkhen, in that case openttd does it wrong. As major and minor are about the same meaning ;-) 08:49:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:49:08 <Terkhen> but we have 0.x.x and 1.x.x 08:49:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:49:16 <planetmaker> yep :-) 08:49:29 <planetmaker> but what will constitute 2.x.y? 08:49:30 <NGC3982> im not planning on using major or minor updates. 08:49:34 <Terkhen> NGC3982: you can of course do stuff like 0.1.10 08:49:43 <NGC3982> im simply going to add one after every update. 08:49:48 <planetmaker> 0.1.A for geeks ;-) 08:49:56 <NGC3982> after 0.9.9 comes 1.0.0, etc. 08:50:03 <Terkhen> if you don't plan to use them, just use the X numbering scheme that stuff like firefox or ICU uses 08:50:03 <NGC3982> I, I, A* 08:50:13 <planetmaker> NGC3982, in that case you could simply do a sequential numbering 08:50:29 <Terkhen> planetmaker: ask those guys in the general subforum, they seem to know what 2.x.x should include 08:50:36 <planetmaker> :-D 08:51:09 <Terkhen> personally the only big thing I'm missing is destinations 08:51:10 <NGC3982> planetmaker: number.date or something 08:51:15 <NGC3982> where date is the last update 08:51:16 <Terkhen> so probably that 08:51:34 <NGC3982> version 119.2012-08-01 08:51:38 <NGC3982> or something like that. 08:51:43 <NGC3982> and a changelog on the site 08:51:49 <NGC3982> yeah, that'l do. 08:51:57 <NGC3982> I keep forgetting using capital letters, though. 08:52:29 <planetmaker> apropos... Terkhen, we can get the commit time from hg. Would it make sense to display that in the grf name for releases? 08:52:44 <planetmaker> the commit time doesn't depend on build time, so it would remain the same 08:53:15 <planetmaker> Like "Swedish Rails 1.0.0 (2012-08-16)" 08:53:17 <planetmaker> or similar 08:55:23 <Terkhen> planetmaker: that time would need to be localized... most average users don't know the YYYY/MM/DD ISO format, and depending on country we would need to use DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY 09:11:33 <Ammler> NGC3982: http://semver.org/ might help 09:13:52 <NGC3982> Ammler: I have already decided. 09:13:56 <NGC3982> Ammler: But thanks. :) 09:21:06 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:26:02 <planetmaker> Terkhen, "16 Aug 2012" should then be clear, right? 09:27:55 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:39:36 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:05 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086ab1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-23-192.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:07:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-42-56.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:49 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:09:26 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 10:15:38 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-051.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:52 <Terkhen> planetmaker: yes :) 10:18:24 <Elukka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki_Af_o9Q9s 10:18:28 <Elukka> curiosity's landing on sunday 10:21:13 <Terkhen> bbl 10:29:58 <peter1138> Elukka, assuming it works... 10:30:12 <Elukka> well, something's gonna hit the ground in some way :P 10:30:44 <Elukka> mars is hard 10:31:14 <Elukka> though if it had no atmosphere at all it'd be even harder 10:31:21 <Elukka> well, not necessarily harder but a lot more expensive 10:34:19 <Ammler> yyyy-mm-dd is also clear, or does yyyy-dd-mm exist? 10:35:06 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:38:24 <TinoDidriksen> yyyy-dd-mm does not exist. 10:41:51 <planetmaker> mm-dd-yyyy and dd-mm-yyyy exist though 10:42:02 <planetmaker> anyway, I like the written month for clarity better, too 10:42:21 <planetmaker> hg tip --template='{date|rfc822date}\n' | cut -d\ -f2-4 10:47:43 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 10:49:44 <NGC3982> As a swede, anything else but yyyy-mm-dd sounds incredibly weird. 10:50:09 <planetmaker> welcome to the real world 10:53:14 <__ln__> happy 08/01/12 everyone 11:02:25 <peter1138> Happy second day of the eighth month of the two thousand and twelfth year of our lord. 11:02:54 <peter1138> (Twelfth has entirely too many consonants.) 11:09:04 <NGC3982> Im sorry, but you are not correct. 11:10:13 <NGC3982> Afaik, the Gregorian calendar was altered and subtracted with 11 days, anno 1752. 11:10:21 <NGC3982> Thus, Christmas is a blasphemy. 11:11:06 <NGC3982> planetmaker: The word "twelfth" is the American English version of Engelbrekt Humperdink. 11:11:09 <NGC3982> :P 11:13:53 <peter1138> I'm still not planetmaker. 11:14:17 <NGC3982> For god sake, i'm sorry. 11:14:22 <planetmaker> luckily :P 11:14:24 <NGC3982> You look the same. 11:14:30 * NGC3982 awaits flamewar. 11:18:37 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 11:52:06 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause2: By the way, im way late with this. Regarding our discussion about the expanding universe, there is a lecture with Lawrence Krauss ("A universe from nothing") where most of the experiments are explained without the advanced mathematics. 11:52:18 <NGC3982> It's also a fun lecture, and i highly recommend it. 11:52:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:54:14 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:11:19 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-99-231.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:46:04 <__ln__> http://imgur.com/a/d4N9B 12:48:53 <peter1138> They've been busy... 12:51:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.6.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:57 <NGC3982> Sweet jesus.. 12:53:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@105.41.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 12:55:06 <blathijs> peter1138: Don't you mean beesy? 13:07:16 *** Dany0 [~Dany0@242.35.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:08:06 <Dany0> does anyone know who made http://wiki.openttd.org/images/9/96/OverlayTiles.png 13:08:13 <Dany0> looks like it's from sketchup 13:08:20 <Dany0> ( judging by the colours ) 13:11:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:13:11 <Dany0> also, how do I expand/move/create a rainforest in-game in sub-tropical climate? 13:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that can only be done in scenario editor 13:15:00 <Dany0> shoot :/ 13:15:18 <Dany0> I'm a bazillionillionillionaire now, are you sure there's no way? :( 13:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, once you started a game, desert is desert 13:16:18 <Dany0> shoot :| 13:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise it would be too easy to get around the food/water requirement of towms, just convert the town square 13:16:51 <Dany0> I just want a lumber mill 13:16:57 <Dany0> can they not cut down cactuses? :D 13:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> for your expensive cactus furniture? 13:18:05 <Dany0> see I have this big loading station that has still some place around it and I'd like to increase my company performance rating 13:19:14 <Dany0> http://j.mp/PotIWr <-- I may have used the magic bulldozer a few times 13:21:05 <Ammler> lumber will works with cactuses afaik 13:22:25 <Dany0> Ammler nope only rainforests 13:24:52 <NGC3982> What on earth is that 13:25:02 <NGC3982> Some kind of ancient elf language? 13:26:11 <Dany0> NGC3982 czech 13:34:29 <FLHerne> NGC3982: :P 13:36:27 <Dany0> any wiki mods here? 13:36:40 <Dany0> oh right I just have to look at the history 13:37:19 <NGC3982> For odd stuff in the wiki, i suggest you adress it publicly. 13:37:20 <Dany0> "peter1138" 13:37:28 <Dany0> ha he's here 13:37:29 <NGC3982> Since the wiki is outdated. 13:39:20 <Dany0> peter1138 picture in http://wiki.openttd.org/Peter1138/Railtypes#Action_3 <-- is that from sketchup? or some other 3d modeller? if yes, could you probably share the file if you still have it? It'd be a great example for easy voxel editing 13:46:11 <peter1138> sketchup 13:46:18 <peter1138> and i don't think i do 13:47:10 <peter1138> how is it a great example for easy voxel editing? heh 13:48:54 *** Sacro [~ben@80.64.57.156] has joined #openttd 13:49:37 <Dany0> peter1138 I don't know how to explain it... 13:53:17 <Dany0> peter1138 basically, I tried making tiles in a voxel editor, but I failed miserably because I couldn't get the proportions right 13:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, allegedly The Hobbit had so much overtime that they needed only like 20 more minutes to split the 2 films into 3 13:56:16 <Dany0> peter1138 still no? :( 14:16:11 *** Sacro [~ben@80.64.57.156] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:24:39 <peter1138> hmm? 14:27:37 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 14:30:54 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-60-175.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:18 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 14:39:00 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:59:23 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:59:44 <Dany0> peter1138 could you share that model? 15:02:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4c9c:ffe7:98ed:8bba] has joined #openttd 15:02:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:11:37 <peter1138> no i don't have it 15:33:56 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:34 <Dany0> oh, shoot 15:50:39 <Dany0> ok then 15:52:23 <V453000> hi, is it possible that if I make a clean map with only 1 town and a "neighbours are important script" and fund new towns in the game - that the new towns which I funded are not influenced by the script? 15:56:21 <Dany0> V453000 contact the author of the script 15:57:07 <V453000> Zuu^ :) 15:59:20 *** Sacro [~ben@80.64.57.156] has joined #openttd 16:09:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:08 <andythenorth> bonjour 16:15:26 <V453000> hi 16:15:52 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 16:18:40 <andythenorth> hmm 16:18:49 <andythenorth> FISH and an 1870 start date :| 16:18:54 <andythenorth> not sure how to solve that one 16:22:12 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:30:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008826.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:56 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:52:40 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:53:26 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Make the start date earlier? :D 16:53:33 <andythenorth> meh 16:53:47 <andythenorth> I don't want to play games before 1870 16:54:00 <andythenorth> I don't want to add ships for pre-1870 either :P 16:55:54 <FLHerne> andythenorth: What do you have against pre-1870ists? :P 16:56:22 <andythenorth> makes sets too big and complicated, and hard to finish 16:56:39 <andythenorth> FIRS is worse for trying to support ~2,000 years of history 16:56:41 <andythenorth> :P 16:57:22 <Pinkbeast> Send 'em a pointer to the old Sailing Ships grf. 16:57:49 <andythenorth> feature request for newgrf: pointer to another grf 16:57:53 <andythenorth> just includes it :P 16:58:42 <Pinkbeast> The thing that's really missing there is horse-drawn canal boats. 16:59:20 <andythenorth> should be in egrvts [canal as a road type] 16:59:54 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Quit suggesting everything as a subtype of something else. It makes my head spin... :P 17:05:11 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Anyway, big and complicated is good. It allows games to be prolonged more :-) 17:08:41 <Pinkbeast> Certainly canals as something other than the current astronomically-expensive implementation might not hurt. 17:15:47 <Maya> Are people actually using canals for something else than just eye candy? 17:16:05 * FLHerne is 17:18:03 <FLHerne> Old FISH nigtlies which can reduce the costs help 17:18:07 <Maya> With standard ships or only in combination with a newgrf? 17:18:21 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Have you done that with the NML yet? 17:18:40 <andythenorth> yes 17:18:43 <FLHerne> Maya: FISH, Sailing Ships, NewShips 17:18:55 <andythenorth> nml FISH will reduce some water construction costs 17:19:07 <FLHerne> andythenorth: :-) I'll have to upgrade to FISH 2 then... 17:19:11 <Maya> That's a whole lot of ships. ;) 17:19:17 <Pinkbeast> Maya: I did it with Sailing Ships (which looks ridiculous) in a pre-locomotive game, so I had ships and horse EGRVTS vehicles. 17:19:32 <andythenorth> FLHerne: FISH 2 should now be getting built by the bundle server 17:19:37 <andythenorth> and needs play testing 17:19:51 <FLHerne> Maya: I like variety :-) You should see my RV list :P 17:19:59 <andythenorth> hmm 17:20:00 <Maya> RV? 17:20:02 <andythenorth> maybe it's failing to build 17:20:13 <FLHerne> Road Vehicle :P 17:20:27 <andythenorth> ffs :| 17:20:33 <Maya> That sounds to strange if you're used to play with diesel engines @Pinkbeast XD 17:20:51 <Pinkbeast> Coughs and sneezles spread diseasels, you know. 17:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause> sailing ships should probably be scaled down a notch 17:21:08 * FLHerne gets alarmed by apt-get output - it wants to remove Opera :o 17:21:15 * andythenorth seeks help with bundle server :) 17:21:22 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: It's fine, just keep them away from bridges :P 17:21:24 <andythenorth> anyone else want to try building FISH 2? 17:21:42 <FLHerne> andythenorth: How convoluted is it? 17:21:45 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository 17:21:49 <Maya> Just remove pything or perl FLHerne - You won't care about opera anymore (can't remember which language apt-get uses). 17:21:56 <andythenorth> FISH 2 has some python deps 17:22:26 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Which sort of Python? 17:22:29 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4c9c:ffe7:98ed:8bba] has joined #openttd 17:22:30 *** glx is now known as Guest1614 17:22:30 *** glx_ is now known as glx 17:22:36 <Maya> Hi glx 17:22:38 <andythenorth> FLHerne: I'm building with 2.6 17:22:47 <andythenorth> and it needs the chameleon templating library 17:22:51 * FLHerne gets confused by the apparent lack of forward or backward compatiblity :P 17:23:08 <andythenorth> also nml + nml deps are needed :P 17:23:18 <FLHerne> Can I expect 2.7 to work? 17:24:06 <andythenorth> yup 17:24:20 <andythenorth> should do 17:24:24 <FLHerne> For once :-) 17:25:45 <FLHerne> andythenorth: So do I want src, then build_fish.py? Or is it more complicated than that? 17:26:00 <andythenorth> clone, install deps, make 17:27:07 <FLHerne> k 17:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a list of deps? 17:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> or, like, a configure script? 17:28:54 * FLHerne waits for KDE to finish updating first 17:28:56 *** Sacro [~ben@80.64.57.156] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29:01 *** Guest1614 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4c9c:ffe7:98ed:8bba] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it fails to check out... 17:31:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "Abbruch: vorzeitiges Ende des Stroms (193971 Byte erhalten, 530940 erwartet)" 17:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and then it deletes everything it downloaded 17:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler? 17:33:52 <frosch123> you can download the big repos only via ssh 17:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried "hg clone --pull" now, that seems to have worked 17:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so, where is the list of deps? 17:35:58 * andythenorth writes 17:36:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you probably have them all anyway, except perhaps chameleon 17:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that one i figured out :) 17:37:09 <andythenorth> k 17:37:17 <andythenorth> the rest are just nml deps 17:37:19 <andythenorth> you have those 17:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "no rule to make fish.grf. Stop" 17:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to have made fish.nml fine, though 17:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you should put this list in a readme.txt 17:39:43 <Maya> 123 17:40:25 <TrueBrain> 456 17:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: did you make modifications to the makefile or something? 17:40:52 <andythenorth> yes 17:41:06 <andythenorth> I switched it to a copy of the one that works for BANDIT 17:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: because it fails to call nmlc 17:41:16 <andythenorth> hmm 17:41:19 <andythenorth> that's interesting 17:41:42 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-236-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and the grf is 1.9MB :) 17:42:41 <andythenorth> mine too :P 17:42:48 <Matulla> hi st there a sheet where i can see the mmod of all citys 17:42:52 <FLHerne> That's handy, they just added hg support to Dolphin :-D 17:43:39 <andythenorth> hmm 17:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's called "FISH FISH r886". is that intended? :) 17:43:50 <andythenorth> code says yes :P 17:43:55 <andythenorth> I should change the code :P 17:44:19 <andythenorth> maybe I have make file stuff in .hgignore 17:44:28 <andythenorth> not sure why else it wouldn't be in the repo 17:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the ship list looks odd with my patch applied :) 17:45:54 <andythenorth> yarp 17:45:59 <andythenorth> finish the patch :) 17:46:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so did it make, or did you call nmlc yourself? 17:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i called nmlc myself 17:47:32 <Maya> I've been experimenting on how to reduce the impact of broken down trains on the network by having frequent lane switches (L_L_R_R ML) is there anything else i could do? I was thinking about having some kind of "back signaling" but somehow i doubt it's worth the effort. 17:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you seem to be missing scripts/Makefile.nml 17:49:27 <andythenorth> that's what *.nml in a .hgignore will do :P 17:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, that's not what it should do. **.nml would do that 17:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but *.nml should only ignore nml files in the base directory 17:50:29 <Eddi|zuHause> (or i remember wrong) 17:50:39 <andythenorth> hmm 17:50:48 <andythenorth> well the file is now in the repo :) 17:50:56 <andythenorth> I have syntax: glob 17:51:01 <andythenorth> if that makes a difference 17:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it makes a difference, but that's already what i expected :) 17:51:21 <Pinkbeast> Maya: The trouble with lane switches is that trains will break down on them with distressing regularity 17:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: seems to build fine now 17:52:33 <Maya> Hmm. *sigh* On to new ways to load balance my lines. :D The only other thing i can think of (at the moment) to reduce the impact of breakdowns. 17:53:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Maya: usually removing the switchovers will increase efficiency 17:53:31 <Pinkbeast> Mmm. Absent switches, at least a dead train can only block half the mainline. 17:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Maya: because trains cannot detect whether the train ahead is broken down or not, they will switch in unwanted places as well 17:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that reduces efficiency in all cases where a train is not broken down 17:55:34 <Pinkbeast> Frankly, Maya, I suggest you recognise that breakdowns don't work at present, and give up on them. :-( 17:55:39 <andythenorth> FLHerne: FISH 2 now builds on bundle server 17:56:12 <Maya> I've been experimenting with adding them but haven't yet come to a conclusion. The problem is my trains usually prefer one of the lines which means (as time passes) (nearly) all trains are on the 50% which are blocked. But I guess thats why i should check my LB again. ... or come up with a way to do it for a start. 17:56:38 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I'll fiddle with building it anyway :P 17:57:08 <Maya> Hmmm might be an option too, to disable breakdowns. :S But first i'll give load balancing a chance (or multiplexing or whatever the heck you wanna call it). 17:57:26 <Pinkbeast> progsigs can make reasonable load balancers without the entirely artifical tricks that used to be done. 17:57:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:58:15 <Wolf01> evenink 17:59:08 <Pinkbeast> Although what would be really nice (he says with the gay abandon of someone not proposing to write it) would be prototypical caution aspects which the pathfinder would naturally avoid. 17:59:08 <andythenorth> FLHerne: http://chameleon.repoze.org/docs/latest/ 18:00:16 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Thanks 18:09:00 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:09 <andythenorth> oops 18:10:17 <andythenorth> went in the suggestion forum :P 18:14:57 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 18:21:02 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-236-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 18:22:01 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24456 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt hungarian.txt): 18:22:01 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:22:01 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 2 changes by telanus 18:22:01 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 32 changes by IPG 18:22:05 *** Doorslammer [7da861ac@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:25:59 *** Doorslammer [7da861ac@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:30:04 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:33:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:02 <FLHerne> andythenorth: FISH building fails :-( 18:39:08 <andythenorth> error? 18:39:26 <FLHerne> Error in language file "lang/dutch.lng": "lang/dutch.lng", line 1: Invalid grflangid 18:39:26 <FLHerne> nmlc: "input", line 341: Unknown property name: cargo_allow_refit 18:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: is your nml up to date? 18:40:25 <FLHerne> Ah, that might be it. I only have stable atm 18:40:32 <__ln__> someone might be interested: http://www.assemblytv.net/pages/streamtest?layout=light 18:43:17 <FLHerne> Worked now :-) 18:47:33 <Varazir> is there a way to change default save folder ? 18:48:25 <Varazir> I have 2 computers and using dropbox to shares saves 18:49:41 *** Maya [~history@pdbn-4d08cd01.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:06 <andythenorth> hoo 18:51:15 <andythenorth> https://www.pythonanywhere.com/ 18:54:33 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 18:54:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:55:08 <Alberth> evenink 18:55:27 <andythenorth> hi Alberth 19:01:18 <Wolf01> hello Alberth 19:04:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:1869:ca5:a9fc:a8ad] has joined #openttd 19:37:54 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I know I've asked before, but what's the limit on the number of industries? (as opposed to cargoes) 19:38:07 <andythenorth> 64 ish 19:38:28 <FLHerne> How many does FIRS have currently? 19:39:00 <andythenorth> dunno 19:39:07 <andythenorth> internet knows though http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/economies 19:39:44 <FLHerne> Ah. So what's the last cargo going to be? :P 19:40:37 * FLHerne starts game with new FISH 19:41:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A46E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:16 <andythenorth> FLHerne: last cargo slot is empty 19:41:24 <andythenorth> by design 19:41:31 <FLHerne> Or maybe not - is FISH still savegame compatible? 19:41:36 <andythenorth> approximately yes 19:41:38 <FLHerne> What for? 19:41:44 <andythenorth> for being empty 19:41:47 <andythenorth> someone might need it 19:41:53 <andythenorth> like NARS 2 does 19:42:11 <FLHerne> I see 19:42:45 <FLHerne> Is new FISH autorefittable? 19:42:54 <andythenorth> mostly 19:42:58 <andythenorth> try it and see ;) 19:42:59 <FLHerne> :D 19:43:23 <FLHerne> I'll use it in my current game then, I can have more mega-transfer stations :P 19:54:17 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:26 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:13:09 *** Rienzilha [rien@sinas.rename-it.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-32-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:39:17 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:47:18 *** Sacro [~Ben@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:1869:ca5:a9fc:a8ad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:18 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:1869:ca5:a9fc:a8ad] has joined #openttd 20:50:42 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Why did you remove the sand platforms from CHIPS? Now I haven't got anything to use with quarries :-( 20:51:03 <andythenorth> use the mud platforms 20:52:04 <andythenorth> and use a recent FIRS, the quarries have mud 20:52:28 <FLHerne> I have 0.7.5 atm. Do you mean nightlies? 20:53:19 <andythenorth> yes 20:53:26 <andythenorth> nightly FIRS has a number of improvements 20:53:59 <andythenorth> actually 0.7.5 has most of them 20:54:06 <FLHerne> Examples? 20:54:39 <FLHerne> Also, is it save-compatible with 0.7.5 currently? 20:56:48 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions 20:56:53 <andythenorth> probably save compatible 20:59:42 <FLHerne> Aw, you fixed the hotels :-( 21:00:50 <FLHerne> Could you give those a parameter or something? They're great for making small towns/islands/whatever economically serveable :P 21:00:56 <andythenorth> nope 21:01:04 <andythenorth> reported as a bug; now fixed 21:01:15 <andythenorth> code your own if you want that feature 21:01:18 <andythenorth> not hard 21:01:21 <andythenorth> ;) 21:01:29 <andythenorth> you coded newobjects right? 21:01:34 <FLHerne> Aye. 21:01:51 <FLHerne> Almost got the m4 sorted now :P 21:02:29 <FLHerne> Perhaps a mini-hotel with 1/4 the production and 1/10 the price? :P 21:03:47 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 21:04:20 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:35 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@79-68-98-39.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:58 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has joined #openttd 21:15:52 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-106-142.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:44 <frosch123> night 21:18:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008826.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:15 <Alberth> good night all 21:21:41 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 21:22:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: shouldn't it be the other way around? 21:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: otherwise you could just place 4 mini-thingies and have the same production for less than half the price 21:44:50 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: No. It should be assumed that the user won't cheat unless they want to :P 21:51:32 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:54:22 *** snorre [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:09 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: or use https://rhodecode.openttdcoop.org 21:57:20 <Ammler> we need to fix hgweb 21:57:29 <Terkhen> good night 22:05:18 <Ammler> Gute Nacht 22:21:05 <FLHerne> Random bug report: Choosing a different 'fixed' autorefit cargo changes the order from 'full load any' to 'full load'. Anyone else have this? 22:28:14 <Supercheese> Checking 22:31:15 <Supercheese> Confirmed on my end as well, r23495 22:32:59 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-106-142.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 22:39:34 *** Dany0 [~Dany0@242.35.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:43 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:42:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:45:37 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 23:04:55 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:05:05 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 23:16:01 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:45 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.76.156] has joined #openttd 23:21:37 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@85.210.68.165] has joined #openttd 23:22:24 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:45 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.76.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120724191344]]