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00:01:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:41 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e184.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 00:16:59 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:21:17 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-061-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:30:15 <Elukka> https://new.livestream.com/spacex/CRS1 00:30:21 <Elukka> another falcon 9 is going up to the ISS in 5 minutes 00:36:19 *** WoneGacko is now known as GoneWacko 00:38:06 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:39:26 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-108-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:39:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 00:45:35 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-38-197.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:34 * Supercheese has just found out what this "Gangnam style" hype is 00:49:56 <Supercheese> Mildly amusing at best. The Internet picks up and runs with strange things 00:57:39 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 01:19:18 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has joined #openttd 01:21:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d53:a5d8:2705:6a02] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:27:29 *** Industrial [~tom@62.212.77.76] has joined #openttd 01:28:04 <Industrial> Anyone have tips? This is all from self-learning >_> I'm using trains 5 carts long; http://i.imgur.com/euGYb.jpg 01:41:25 <Snail> what trainset are you using? 02:03:23 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 02:03:23 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:22 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:09 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:48 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 03:33:36 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has joined #openttd 03:53:06 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 03:59:15 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:47 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD458F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66F59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:18 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 05:28:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:51 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-216-60.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 05:44:10 *** Kenjy [3eb237dd@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:44:18 <Kenjy> hello guys 05:44:28 <Kenjy> i have a question 05:44:53 <Kenjy> i installed 32bpp but the gui wasnt take over in the "mod" 05:45:24 *** Kenjy [3eb237dd@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 06:01:18 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:24 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:27:49 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 06:36:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 06:40:44 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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If a town gets bad rating because of me terraforming, depending on the town size - it's impossible to get better rating? 08:33:32 <Leto`> plant a massive amoun tof tree (without destroying anyithing) 08:36:04 <NGC3982> That actually helped. 08:42:37 <Leto`> ;) 08:42:52 *** Leto` is now known as Fremen 08:43:27 <Fremen> it's indeed annoying if you build too much around a city then you can't build anythign there 08:43:41 <Fremen> trees are the solution :p 08:43:52 <Fremen> anything as in stations 08:44:49 *** Guest942 is now known as planetmaker 08:45:01 <planetmaker> first build stations. Then terraform and build tracks 08:45:09 <planetmaker> Authorities are real tree-huggers in OpenTTD 08:45:20 <planetmaker> Don't mess with their beloved ones ;-) 08:45:31 <MNIM> quite the contrary to IRL authorities. 08:45:51 <NGC3982> Yes, i know. But i keep missing out. 08:45:52 <NGC3982> Bah. 08:45:56 <NGC3982> Hehe 08:45:58 <V453000> or take the path of violence and use magic dozer on them 08:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> have you ever dealt with real authorities? 08:46:46 <telanus> Those here just want bribes :P 08:47:16 * NGC3982 remembers when trying to get permit to set up a new street sign outside his office. 08:47:48 <NGC3982> It took me six months, and the time spent cost more than the actual sign. 08:48:25 <planetmaker> where I live there really are also rules on how many trees (or area) you have to plant trees if you build a commercial building... 08:49:12 <NGC3982> The same goes around here. 08:49:27 <NGC3982> It has actually worked pretty good, too. 08:50:46 <NGC3982> For every square meter of land you buy of the county for buildings, you have to pay for additional forest preservation/plantation around the county 08:51:26 <NGC3982> In Vaxjo county (Kronoberg), there is a big company that helps new businesses with the payments to the very same preservations, but in return get to keep maintainance of the city parks, forests and such. 08:51:52 <NGC3982> And they build stuff like crazy. Fountains, pavilions, statues and such. 08:51:57 <NGC3982> Tis' be neat. 08:54:33 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: V453000, roadt, XeryusTC, KenjiE20, GoneWacko, Yexo, Nat_aS, SmatZ, Snail, bb10, (+13 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 08:55:57 *** Netsplit over, joins: Snail, HerzogDeXtEr, roadt, +tokai|noir, GoneWacko, V453000, Yexo, avdg, SmatZ, Hirundo (+13 more) 09:09:54 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has joined #openttd 09:16:05 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 09:18:43 <planetmaker> nice answer on the savegame compatibility, Eddi|zuHause :-) 09:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i get that a lot :p 09:44:13 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: V453000, roadt, XeryusTC, KenjiE20, GoneWacko, Yexo, Nat_aS, Snail, CornishPasty, bb10, (+13 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:46:09 *** Netsplit over, joins: HerzogDeXtEr, +tokai|noir, Yexo, Hirundo, Guilux, KenjiE20, bb10, Arendtsen, Pulec, Born_Acorn 09:47:53 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@524A7DE2.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** V453000 [~V453000@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** avdg [~avdg@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** SmatZ [~smatz@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-103-111.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** CornishPasty [uid158@id-158.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** si-m1 [~simeng@lol.h4x.no] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@524990B9.cm-4-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:53 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:14 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 09:58:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:58:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 10:06:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08e306.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:50 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-120-73.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:22:36 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 10:22:36 *** George is now known as Guest998 10:22:36 *** George|2 is now known as George 10:24:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:31 *** Guest998 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:11 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:39:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:43 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-94-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:57:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:58:12 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:58:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 10:58:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:04:16 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:20 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:41:57 *** BadBrett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:51:26 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-94-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:04:42 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:36 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has joined #openttd 12:20:22 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:34:08 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:45:28 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has quit [Quit: EvoSurge - Free & Premium IRC Bouncers on Demand - http://evosurge.com/] 13:29:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:29:27 <andythenorth> oh 13:29:30 <andythenorth> he actually posted it 13:29:39 <andythenorth> "OTTD is dying..." 13:29:40 <andythenorth> :o 13:29:48 <andythenorth> he's a very clever and elegant troll :) 13:30:01 <andythenorth> that's made my day :) 13:30:08 <planetmaker> ho andythenorth :-) 13:30:31 <andythenorth> definitely a troll 13:30:43 <andythenorth> probably with good intentions too 13:33:50 <andythenorth> how does that song go? 13:33:56 <planetmaker> the # commits / unit time *does* decrease. At least in the svn repo 13:33:57 <andythenorth> "Dying since the day I was born" 13:34:12 <andythenorth> Lisa Loeb! 13:34:17 <andythenorth> Nine Stories! 13:34:23 <planetmaker> But... there's grfcodec. There's NML. There's NewGRFs. All which is no longer counted directly towards that commit count 13:34:24 <andythenorth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55QHKQszhhc 13:34:36 <planetmaker> as it's not part of the svn 13:35:04 <planetmaker> nor actually the experimental branches, which nowadays often are hg or git repos on other servers, too 13:35:20 <andythenorth> stuff dies 13:35:24 <andythenorth> all the big features are done 13:35:34 <andythenorth> there's very little shiny low-hanging fruit 13:35:39 <andythenorth> the gaps are filled 13:35:56 <andythenorth> and many features are simply blocked by reality :) 13:36:05 <andythenorth> it's kind of 'done' 13:36:11 <planetmaker> there's a lot of big features which could be added. But... big fruit are not necessarily easy to grow 13:36:27 <andythenorth> it's a complexity problem, everything interacts with everything else 13:36:34 <andythenorth> [shrug] 13:36:35 <planetmaker> height levels. newgrf bridges, infra sharing, cargo distributions or destinations, ... whatever :-) 13:36:46 <andythenorth> they don't necessarily improve gameplay 13:37:01 <andythenorth> making 12 good GS would add a lot more life to OpenTTD than [big feature x] 13:37:06 <planetmaker> I think the 32bpp graphics could change the perception of the game quite a lot 13:37:13 <planetmaker> and you're right about the GS 13:37:13 <andythenorth> meh, they're only pictures 13:37:21 <andythenorth> gameplay beats all 13:37:26 <planetmaker> perception. Not gameplay. yes :-) 13:38:03 <andythenorth> also the assumption that openttd is seeking big market share 13:38:08 <andythenorth> that keeps coming up 13:38:10 <andythenorth> is that a goal? 13:39:26 <planetmaker> well. Not directly. On the other hand, personally I like to make things enjoyable for rather more people than few. On the pre-condition that I enjoy it, too ;-) 13:39:42 <planetmaker> or at least not mind 14:05:02 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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15:13:30 <andythenorth> or conspiracy...? :) 15:18:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:19:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:31:20 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:51 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:48 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:38 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:42:41 * telanus wonder if one can make a disaster where your truckdrivers go on strike (like: http://ewn.co.za/2012/10/08/Seven-trucks-set-alight-in-Cape-Town) 15:44:54 <supermop> hi andy 15:45:04 <supermop> hi built a lego heqs truck last week 15:46:01 *** keoz [~keikoz@79.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:35 <andythenorth> not true without pictues 15:46:39 <andythenorth> pictures * 15:48:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:46 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-62-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:53:39 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:54:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:55:52 <supermop> look on the forum 16:10:37 <al3x> link for the lazy ones? 16:11:59 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:16 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-62-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:17:35 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:17:58 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-62-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:20 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Quit: Vadtec was here....] 16:23:24 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 16:24:52 <BadBrett> splendid... my sprite splitter works as a charm. hopefully animating complex tile layouts will be a lot easier now 16:25:07 <supermop> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48313&view=unread#p1048867 16:25:42 <|Terkhen|> hello 16:25:49 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 16:26:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:05 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Hoyo :-) 16:28:04 <BadBrett> really great to see more afols out there... by the way, are you going to participate in the competition? 16:28:39 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:29 <supermop> competition? 16:30:02 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-022-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 16:38:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:47:08 <andythenorth> supermop: didn't get the mining truck yet 16:47:14 <andythenorth> got the rest of the mining stuff 16:48:53 <supermop> i got it as a prop for our show room window 16:48:55 <supermop> its nice 16:51:54 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:53:41 <BadBrett> yeah there's a lego technic competition 16:54:20 <BadBrett> http://technic.us.lego.com/en-us/campaign/Default.aspx 16:59:02 * andythenorth likes the comments from MB :) 16:59:25 <planetmaker> andythenorth, both, you and him derail the topic, tbh 16:59:51 <planetmaker> considering to lock it 17:00:26 <planetmaker> and I have to say, you started trolling, I'm afraid 17:01:38 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74ae:6c3c:641a:d200] has joined #openttd 17:01:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:03:04 <andythenorth> well my comment was genuine + true, but yes ok ;) 17:03:14 <andythenorth> and I think I know what MB is saying as well 17:04:05 <andythenorth> have we reached Eternal September? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September 17:04:06 <planetmaker> genuine and true: yes. Only effect is to derail, though 17:06:02 <andythenorth> I wouldn't lock it yet, it's not particularly acrimonious 17:06:24 <planetmaker> I've had enough of that (guessing the meaning of that word) 17:06:38 <planetmaker> to get another of such threads 17:06:49 <andythenorth> I could delete my comment if you want 17:08:52 <planetmaker> don't bother. too late 17:09:50 <andythenorth> it didn't strike me as the most trolly thing I've done, but maybe my judgement is off :P 17:09:54 <andythenorth> if so, oops :o 17:12:43 <planetmaker> I don't quite mind really. But I found it quite sub-andy standard 17:12:53 <planetmaker> just telling :-) 17:14:11 <planetmaker> but maybe I just read it totally different than you intended it to be understood :-) 17:14:49 <planetmaker> anyway your comments are surpassed already by the subsequents; they're putting the topic down the drain 17:15:40 <planetmaker> can't be arsed. Locked it 17:20:47 <Terkhen> ooh 17:20:51 <Terkhen> there goes my answer :( 17:24:08 <andythenorth> fwiw, one of the programmers who works with me is giving this talk this week http://www.ploneconf.org/the-event/talks/conference-talks/fuck-you-do-something 17:24:27 <andythenorth> related to the same issue "Plone is dying" 17:25:14 <planetmaker> is it available online? 17:25:46 <andythenorth> dunno 17:26:18 <andythenorth> "plone is dying" is at least a 5 year old thing though 17:26:58 <andythenorth> similar set of community issues, similar commitment o doing things right from core team 17:27:43 <andythenorth> we have been talking about it, hence it made my day to see "openttd is dying" ;) 17:28:06 <andythenorth> "[insert name here] is dying" 17:29:04 <andythenorth> of course it's fricking dying, there's no free pass from laws of thermodynamics 17:29:12 <planetmaker> :-) 17:29:55 <andythenorth> more interesting is to take it seriously though 17:30:23 <andythenorth> there is a certain min. number of core contributors below which it fails 17:30:30 <andythenorth> or you get Dwarf Fortress :P 17:31:19 <andythenorth> not enough people to code review, help with design problems w 17:31:20 <andythenorth> 17:31:32 <andythenorth> = faster entropy 17:31:51 * andythenorth typing one fingered whilst holding child :P 17:32:06 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:48 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:49 <planetmaker> we're not there (yet). Though we do have less activity this year than last 17:33:28 <andythenorth> but we also have regular stable releases, GS, zBase, nml etc 17:33:51 <planetmaker> yes. Those commits don't exactly count to the usual count... much activity went there recently 17:34:09 <andythenorth> it is *much* harder for me to get any newgrf features discussed / added 17:34:22 <andythenorth> maybe I spent all my creit :P 17:34:27 <andythenorth> credit * 17:35:18 <andythenorth> but also...we have enough stuff 17:35:34 <andythenorth> most of the suggestions are just "MOAR" 17:37:22 <planetmaker> well. There was a bit amount of NewGRF changes in 1.2.... And which (new) NewGRF changes did you recently bring forward? :-) 17:38:01 <planetmaker> or maybe their complexity is much bigger than your initial suggestions ;-) 17:40:12 <andythenorth> smoke, new docks 17:40:19 <andythenorth> both of those can be made complex 17:40:50 <andythenorth> the prevailing assumption now is 'do it properly to avoid being boxed in in future' 17:41:03 <andythenorth> which is good, but never ships ;) 17:41:37 * FLHerne wants CDist in trunk :D 17:41:57 <FLHerne> ...it works, mostly, and adds muchly to the game :P 17:42:08 * andythenorth biab 17:42:35 <FLHerne> biab? 17:42:44 <Terkhen> back in a bit 17:43:01 * FLHerne needs a big list of weird acronyms and abbreviations :P 17:43:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008bb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:24 <Terkhen> FLHerne: the problem with both YACD and cargodist (as IIRC there was a cargodist version which worked in top of YACD) is game performance 17:43:29 <Terkhen> on top* 17:44:03 <Terkhen> I don't know the details, but IIRC michi mentioned the problem somewhen at the forums 17:44:16 <Terkhen> I also don't know if that holds true for the standalone implementation of cargodist 17:44:19 <FLHerne> Terkhen: Odd, I have a few pretty big CDist games on my old 2.2GHz PIV ;-) 17:44:59 <FLHerne> YACD seems to attract a lot of those, but I dislike that concept and haven't tried it much :P 17:45:09 <Terkhen> what does "big" means? 17:45:48 <FLHerne> Terkhen: Vehicle numbers of each type into the hundreds, 1k^2 or 2k^2 maps 17:46:09 <FLHerne> Often with 'high' FIRS industries, too 17:46:22 <Terkhen> but in this case the dest/dist related performance decrease is probably tied to increase of node numbers 17:46:53 <FLHerne> Terkhen: You haven't seen one of my stupid networks, have you? :P 17:47:17 <Terkhen> I don't know about the performance problems themselves myself so I can't give you details :) 17:48:19 <FLHerne> Well, whatever they are I seem to have missed them :D 17:55:07 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B43C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:18 <andythenorth> iirc YACD recalculates routing for all packets waiting on stations every n ticks 18:04:21 <andythenorth> which is a problem 18:04:25 <andythenorth> it is a battery killer :P 18:04:36 <andythenorth> but that's a specific feature 18:09:26 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-216-60.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:12 * andythenorth wonders if we could *remove* features and maintain savegame compatibility 18:11:06 <andythenorth> "Feature: removed a feature" 18:12:55 <planetmaker> yes, that's feasible. But depends a bit on the feature 18:13:45 <planetmaker> e.g. if you remove path signals as feature just treat them as normal block signals. Screws up savegames somewhat, but would still work in a certain way 18:14:52 <andythenorth> he 18:14:55 <andythenorth> trains would crash :) 18:15:05 <andythenorth> anyway, these discussions are fun, but.... 18:15:27 <andythenorth> ...a bit navel gazing. 18:15:45 <andythenorth> what can we actually commit? 18:15:51 <supermop> need some lunch but cant leave here 18:15:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:16:22 <planetmaker> we also already removed features. Path signals were once removed. Flipping all engines independent of their newgrf specs was removed. Certainly other things, too ;-) 18:16:27 <NGC3982> Poop. 18:16:35 <Wolf01> evenink 18:16:37 <planetmaker> But we call that cleanup or so ;-) 18:16:52 <supermop> can you remove coal mines as a feature? 18:17:01 <supermop> sure no one would notice 18:17:14 * planetmaker would. It's the default starting industry for me 18:17:29 <planetmaker> but feasible. Could all be displayed as power plants 18:17:33 <Wolf01> forests for me 18:17:56 <planetmaker> will I now be quoted on "pm wants to remove coal mines from openttd"? :D 18:17:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: we could remove some FIRS snow tickets. By marking them 'done' ;) 18:18:05 <supermop> haha 18:18:33 <supermop> i've been strying a steel valley goal game 18:19:35 <supermop> unfortunately i have only 3 years left, there are only two iron ore mines on the map, and both produce around 30 tonnes despite having two stations with a vehicle always loading at each 18:20:02 <planetmaker> :-) 18:20:05 <planetmaker> Fund industries 18:20:06 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Can I add a pile of 32bppEZ tickets? :D 18:20:23 <supermop> cant afford to build more mines 18:20:24 <planetmaker> We won our games by vigorously funding industries 18:20:41 <andythenorth> supermop: you need a money maker first, probably pax 18:20:41 <planetmaker> doesn't hte GS take care of cheap industry costs? 18:20:46 <andythenorth> nope 18:20:46 <supermop> i could build one mine in the three years if i am lucky 18:20:52 <andythenorth> GS has no capability there :P 18:20:54 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:21:02 <planetmaker> and yes, what andy says. We always built a money maker first 18:21:17 <supermop> yeah, i have an aggressive passenger, coal and oil network to build up money 18:21:22 * andythenorth would badly like a clean interface between GS and newgrf :( 18:21:30 <andythenorth> but that discussion never gets anywhere :( 18:22:09 <planetmaker> spec it 18:22:12 <andythenorth> tried 18:22:14 <andythenorth> not smart enough :( 18:22:30 <andythenorth> I have limitations :P 18:22:46 <planetmaker> wiki pages like frosch's pages on the "utopian" stuff are quite useful in this resepct 18:23:12 <supermop> can gs work with firs? 18:23:25 <andythenorth> yesbutnobut 18:24:10 <andythenorth> I think GS is the single biggest win for the game in several years 18:24:18 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-90-254.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 18:24:19 <andythenorth> despite being a bit 'meh' about it initially 18:24:27 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-90-254.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #openttd [] 18:24:49 <supermop> its awesome 18:25:09 <andythenorth> means we can talk about stuff like gameplay and strategy 18:25:16 <supermop> but you cant count on it for making a quick 128^2 map fun 18:25:23 <andythenorth> and not just 'I need feature xyz to make my perfect model train set' 18:25:56 <supermop> because you won't have enough some primary industry 18:26:28 <andythenorth> I would write a GS if I didn't already have lots of newgrf started... 18:26:54 <supermop> i just want a gs that makes power plants worth something 18:27:11 *** Zuu [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has joined #openttd 18:27:21 <andythenorth> you could write one 18:27:30 <andythenorth> it would be tied to specific industry ID and quite fragile 18:27:36 <andythenorth> afaik 18:27:51 <andythenorth> what do you want? Town growth if coal delivered? 18:28:10 <andythenorth> I had one idea called The Grid or something 18:28:29 <andythenorth> 5 towns want power plants *constructed* and supplied with x tonnes per year 18:29:29 <andythenorth> it's just another cargo delivery challenge though :P 18:29:44 <Zuu> supermop: GS can make powerplants worth something. 18:30:02 <Zuu> Eg. play NoCarGoal or Silicon Valley with coal as goal cargo. 18:31:29 <supermop> growth or industry boost would be nice, but the latter sounds impossible 18:31:41 <andythenorth> not impossible 18:31:42 <andythenorth> just totally lacking a spec 18:32:01 <supermop> does the gs just check nearby plants for coal delivered then build a house? 18:32:15 <andythenorth> it tells the town to grow 18:32:18 <andythenorth> the town then handles that 18:32:22 <andythenorth> unless the newgrf fucks with it :P 18:32:37 <Zuu> a GS can monitor any industry for delivery and/or pickup of a specific cargo. 18:32:51 <supermop> would it be confused by a Firs steel mill receiving coal in the towns borders? 18:32:54 <andythenorth> yes 18:32:56 <andythenorth> what it can't do is adjust production at the industry 18:33:06 <andythenorth> nor meaningfully check for specific newgrf (afaik) 18:33:13 <Zuu> A GS can also monitor towns for delivery/pickup. 18:33:20 <andythenorth> nor understand the general idea of industry 'types' 18:33:27 <supermop> that is growing a town because a steel mill received coal instead of a power plant 18:33:45 <andythenorth> yes, that would likely happen 18:33:49 <Zuu> NoCarGoal monitor all towns for delivery of all (goal) cargoes. 18:34:13 <Pinkbeast> I thought NoCarGoal was my utopian vision of transport. :-) 18:35:11 <Knogle> Zuu: I guess it doesn't work with 1.2.2 then? 18:35:20 <Zuu> Knogle: Nope 18:35:43 <Zuu> Both NoCarGoal and Silicon Valley needs a nightly as both use this monitor feature. 18:40:47 *** Lars [~Lars@port1199.ds1-ynoe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:43:07 <Zuu> However, that didn't stop us from having several interesting games on the #openttdcoop nightly server with those two GSs. 18:46:56 <Knogle> :) 18:47:25 <andythenorth> both those GS rock 19:02:18 <supermop> would it be bad form to define a cargo via newgrf that intentionally cannot be carried? 19:02:57 <frosch123> like "regearing"? :) 19:05:28 <Elukka> the problem is it breaks full load 19:06:17 <planetmaker> supermop, yes. Don't do that another time. Regearing is bad enough ;-) 19:06:37 <frosch123> Elukka: that problem was fixed, but the grf was never updated 19:06:53 <frosch123> back then you could not make a vehicle refittable without making it carry at least 1 unit 19:06:58 <frosch123> today that works 19:07:07 <frosch123> but since then people have used pax instead of a custom cargo 19:07:46 <Elukka> sweet 19:08:44 <FLHerne> Does that not cause trouble with station acceptance? 19:09:21 <frosch123> no, only if it actrually loads stuff 19:09:41 <FLHerne> Ah right :-) 19:12:03 <frosch123> but yes, i guess that was the reasoin to introcude regearing :) 19:15:35 <V453000> you still cant autoreplace to regeared vehicles though which kind of sucks 19:16:23 <frosch123> you mean pax<->regearing? or nothing<->regearing? 19:16:45 <V453000> the way how it works in nars 19:17:09 <V453000> either way you cant set which refit should be autoreplaced to I guess 19:17:21 <frosch123> ah, that way 19:17:48 <V453000> it does have one interesting point, you could make trains refit to strongest, load, deliver, refit to weakerst, go back 19:18:18 <V453000> could be fun but hard to say if worth anything 19:18:24 <V453000> hardly :) 19:18:27 <frosch123> orders which refit subtypes are on my list of stuff to remove though :p 19:18:42 <V453000> ? 19:19:15 <V453000> I use those to "randomize" colours of nuts local trains :D 19:19:44 <frosch123> there is no reliable way to store the subtype in an order 19:20:12 <V453000> you mean it says just "refit to passengers" instead of "refit to passengers (blue)" 19:20:16 <frosch123> there are lots of cases where they are broken. the only solution i came up with was to only allow refitting to cargos in orders, without specifiying a subtype 19:20:47 <frosch123> V453000: if you have shared orders, different vehicles may refit to different stuff 19:20:55 <V453000> what? :D 19:21:07 <frosch123> fs#3764 19:21:27 <V453000> well does that really hurt anything? If it is just a subtype then the cargo is the same? 19:22:07 <V453000> hm 19:22:18 <V453000> what does that mean? Does that apply only for trains with different wagons? 19:23:05 <frosch123> with orders it also applies to different consists sharing orders 19:23:22 <frosch123> or orders after autoreplace 19:24:24 <V453000> so if you have various wagons in one train and refit to subtype, some wagons can refit to wrong subtype? 19:25:15 <frosch123> yes, if you refit to coal (subtype 2), it refits all wagons carrying coal to subtype 2 19:25:37 <frosch123> numeric 2 that is, independent of whether that subtype exists are all, or whether it means the same for each vehicle 19:25:37 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-022-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:46 <V453000> and does it break the capability of carrying coal? 19:26:51 <V453000> of any of the wagons 19:26:54 <frosch123> if you go by that forum discussion to break compatiblity 19:27:07 <frosch123> then subtype refit orders are the first thing on the list :) 19:27:17 <frosch123> and "subtypes in general" are the second :p 19:27:20 <V453000> cant read all forum discussions z.z 19:27:32 <V453000> refit orders to be removed? :o 19:27:36 <V453000> oh subtype 19:27:37 <V453000> nvm 19:27:44 <frosch123> V453000: cargos are fine 19:27:49 <frosch123> only subtypes cause trouble 19:28:14 <frosch123> stuff like refitting firs trams to more or less wagons in depots 19:28:22 <frosch123> would no longer work 19:28:35 <frosch123> but it already only works by luck now 19:28:57 <frosch123> (refitting by order that is) 19:28:57 <V453000> I know, I am just trying to see what does it break, if it breaks actualy carrying abilities or if it just refits to wrong subtype like wrong colour 19:30:01 *** Lars [~Lars@port1199.ds1-ynoe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:31:59 <andythenorth> subtypes should die :P 19:32:48 <supermop> what if no vehicle can ever carry the cargo? 19:33:00 <supermop> less gears, more megawatt hours 19:33:33 <andythenorth> forget doing whatever you're trying to do with cargo hacks ;) 19:33:43 <andythenorth> we've tried it n times before and always conclude that it's crappy 19:34:40 <supermop> just so tha a powerplant makes something, even if nothing carries it away 19:36:23 <andythenorth> there will be an alternative, good enough, way to achieve what you want 19:40:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DEA0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:44:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-69-243-193.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:45:31 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-120-73.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C48F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has joined #openttd 20:09:28 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:02 <Zuu> eg. a subtype replacement that requires the NewGRFs to define the subtypes such that their characteristics can be determined before they are built. :-) 20:27:14 *** Zuu [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 20:29:07 <frosch123> night 20:29:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008bb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:32 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-170-45.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:06 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:00 <Wolf01> 'night 20:35:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:39:04 <Terkhen> good night 20:41:27 <__ln__> when will openttd have a ui-formerly-known-as-metro UI? 20:42:54 <FLHerne> Never, hopefully :P 20:56:32 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 20:56:50 <Kjetil> Well. Someone is bound to add metrostations someday 21:01:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:02:36 <planetmaker> g'night 21:03:58 *** keoz [~keikoz@79.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 21:05:19 <andythenorth> Zuu: you don't think it's good enough that subtypes are just a [made up] number? 21:05:24 <andythenorth> arbitrary per cargo type 21:05:36 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-62-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:44 <andythenorth> with [possibly] some arbitrary string, the name of which can vary according to any varaction 2 switch? 21:06:00 <andythenorth> you think that's in some way a bit...flakey? :o 21:06:04 <Zuu> yep 21:06:06 <Zuu> :-) 21:06:53 <andythenorth> even though The NewGRF Spec Must Never Be Changed? 21:07:06 <andythenorth> even when it allows, e.g. creation of invalid orders 21:07:14 <andythenorth> or other madness 21:07:42 <Zuu> If there was an ADA for AIs, NewGRF authors would be poor by now... 21:08:32 <andythenorth> ADA? 21:08:49 <Zuu> http://www.ada.gov 21:09:15 <andythenorth> oh 508 21:09:17 <andythenorth> etc 21:10:03 <Zuu> Basically, if you reject disabled people access to your shop, you will get sued to the point that you cannot afford to keep your shop unless you are big. 21:10:12 <andythenorth> yes 21:10:30 * andythenorth sells software which must be accessible 21:10:36 <MNIM> is that all they do apart from making horrible websites? 21:10:45 <andythenorth> so I would like to fix some of the stuff with newgrf 21:10:59 <MNIM> 'cause *&%-ing hell their site definitely ain't accessible. 21:10:59 <andythenorth> fix / argue in favour of fixing :P 21:11:36 <andythenorth> MNIM: it probably scores highly on technically compliant accessibility, for those using assistive technologies 21:11:49 <FLHerne> andythenorth: The ability to create invalid orders is a non-issue :P 21:11:54 <andythenorth> it probably falls down on 'approach accessibility from the point of view of ease for *all* users' 21:12:04 * FLHerne doesn't believe in foolproofing :-) 21:12:12 <andythenorth> FLHerne: you are wrong, and I now add you to my ignore file every time we argue about it 21:12:21 <FLHerne> :D 21:13:20 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Admittedly, the possibility of an AI creating an invalid order may be an issue :P 21:13:36 <FLHerne> AIs can't be assumed to have common sense :P 21:13:40 <andythenorth> it's just a shit thing to do, shipping software which is known to be broken 21:13:49 <andythenorth> and if you think it's common sense, that is baffling 21:14:02 <Zuu> An AI can't create subtype orders. 21:14:18 <FLHerne> andythenorth: 'known broken' and 'known to be easily breakable' are different :P 21:14:20 <MNIM> andy: Their site scales neatly, and has relatively little in the form of images, Ill grant you that, but it's a nightmare for ADD / ASS, for example. 21:14:48 <andythenorth> I can only imagine what that is like with ADD 21:14:52 <MNIM> ... aaand suddenly I just realized what Autism Spectrum Syndrome looks like in english, abbreviated 21:14:53 <andythenorth> links everywhere 21:14:55 <andythenorth> all the links! 21:15:01 <andythenorth> links we have all the links! 21:15:19 <MNIM> not to mention all the text! 21:15:24 <FLHerne> I'm sure it's possible to create a NewGRF that would unpredictably create invalid orders. Doubt anyone will though 21:15:35 <Zuu> and centered text! 21:15:45 <MNIM> it is not a good site for scanning through and quickly finding what you need. 21:15:59 <__ln__> all the swedes also eagerly waiting for HBO? 21:16:17 <Elukka> FLHerne: why would one not believe in foolproofing 21:17:09 <Zuu> I can't see where they have their site in ASL, but maybe signed translations of websites is not as big over there as it is here. 21:17:33 <Zuu> __ln__: HBO? 21:18:20 <andythenorth> FLHerne: I await your fix to this based on 'common sense' http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3764 21:18:27 <andythenorth> please let frosch know when you have one 21:18:32 <__ln__> Zuu: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBO 21:18:51 <andythenorth> autoreplace is also 'dangerous' with subtypes 21:19:46 <andythenorth> and this http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5268 21:19:52 <Zuu> Hmm, there was some news about an overseas streaming service to establish in Sweden. Though the wiki page doesn't say anything about streaming. 21:20:03 <andythenorth> empirically, you have no evidence that subtypes don't cause bug reports 21:20:08 <__ln__> Zuu: see also http://hbonordic.com/se 21:20:08 <FLHerne> Elukka: Because it's impossible :P 21:20:16 <andythenorth> empirically I have evidence that subtypes do cause bug reports 21:20:29 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc7-pres16-2-0-cust242.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:06 <FLHerne> andythenorth: That bug is silly :P 21:21:14 <FLHerne> It is a bug though 21:21:34 * FLHerne concedes defeat on that case :-) 21:21:35 <andythenorth> why silly? 21:21:59 <Zuu> hmm, so according to their sales site, they will offer streaming. 21:22:03 <FLHerne> Dunno, really :P 21:22:32 <__ln__> Zuu: indeed. it's something completely new afaik, they haven't offered it anywhere else so far. 21:23:07 <Zuu> Hopefully they will be better than BBC on carrying over the English closed captions to the nordic market. At least one can wish. :-) 21:23:37 <andythenorth> bye 21:23:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:24:52 <__ln__> sounds almost too good to be true, the price and all. 21:25:25 <Zuu> __ln__: Do you get prices? I onle see a posibility to give away your email to them. 21:26:10 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:19 <__ln__> it's on twitter, 79kr per month for you, 9,95⬠for us. https://twitter.com/hbose 21:26:50 <Zuu> Ok 21:27:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24577 trunk/src/widget.cpp (2012-10-08 21:27:21 UTC) 21:27:28 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5324]: Draw the window resize sprite bottom-aligned (sbr) 21:27:55 <__ln__> after all these years someone finally is going to offer a _legal_ way to follow at least some american tv series without a significant delay. 21:30:39 <Zuu> Yea, too bad I don't follow any of the mentioned series. :-p 21:31:03 <FLHerne> What on earth is variety distribution for? 21:31:20 <FLHerne> Its only purpose appears to be making pyramidal mountains :P 21:31:22 <Zuu> But I'm looking forward to better movie-on-demand services. 21:31:52 <__ln__> Well Netflix is coming this year... 21:32:01 <Zuu> yep 21:32:43 <__ln__> Netflix explicitly promises to support PS3, Wii, Xbox 21:33:02 <__ln__> (but not newgrf!) 21:39:54 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 21:48:01 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:52:13 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc11-pres16-2-0-cust203.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:23 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08e306.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 22:03:54 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:03 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-170-45.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:00 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 22:11:47 *** V453000 [~V453000@5.9.88.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:48 *** tneo [~tneo@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:46 *** Osai [~Osai@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:47 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:16 *** XeryusTC- [~XeryusTC@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:51 *** avdg [~avdg@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:54 *** SmatZ [~smatz@5.9.88.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:08 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:11 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@5.9.88.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:17 *** Yexo [~Yexo@5.9.88.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:18 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@5.9.88.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:31 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:27 *** antihero [~antihero@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe93:79e7] has joined #openttd 22:19:30 <antihero> Good evening 22:21:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B43C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:40 <Supercheese> salve 22:22:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:15 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:43:29 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:08 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc7-pres16-2-0-cust242.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:56:02 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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