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07:15:53  <Wolf01> hello o/
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07:42:48  <juzza1> hello
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08:24:04  <planetmaker> salut
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10:04:00  <peter1139> hi
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12:37:49  <WOOHOO> "www.iBooter.us - Cheap, Affordable, Strong Output, Dedicated Servers. Best Booter on Market"
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12:46:47  <MNIM> yeah
12:46:57  <MNIM> somebody should've iBooted that guy
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13:19:55  <Belugas> hello
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13:42:11  <TrueBrain> wtf is a Booter?
13:46:11  <V453000> yes.
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16:08:15  <Colombo> Hi all
16:08:26  <Colombo> my friend has problem. Hy is trying to generate dedicated server
16:08:38  <Colombo> but regardless of seed, the map is same each time.
16:09:18  <Colombo> Anyone know what can be wrong?
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16:11:37  <Colombo> And here he is
16:11:57  <santa> hi everyone
16:15:31  <santa> I have problem with map generation on a server (v 1.3.0, x86_64, complied on Gentoo). It seems to pretty much ignore the generation_seed and generate almost always the same map.
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16:16:21  <santa> If I set seed with -G command line parameter, "getseed" returns me different value. Also when I specify seed in config, getseed value doesn't match.
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16:19:52  <Eddi|zuHause> are you sure you are modifying the right config file?
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16:20:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and the server is not running while you do that?
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16:22:24  <santa> Yes, I'm pretty sure about modifying right config file. I also tried to used on_dedicated script to change generation seed randomly on the start of the server, but it has no effect.
16:23:02  <santa> Right now I'm trying to run binary build from website, not version compiled from Gentoo repositories.
16:23:05  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, then i have no clue
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16:23:26  <santa> Because otherwise, I have no idea what could cause that.
16:25:12  <santa> BTW, I thought that town names should be different every time, even if seed if same, is that correct?
16:25:41  <santa> Because I also have same town names, which leads me to believe there's some issue with random number generator itself.
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16:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause> no, the town names are based on the initial random seed, so if none of the inbetween steps are different, the town names will be the same too
16:26:39  <santa> Oh, ok.
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16:26:57  <frosch123> "restart" is with same seed, "newgame" is with new seed
16:27:16  <santa> Binary version produces same result. Except fact that it generated different map for the first time, but it sticks to it over again now :(
16:27:36  <santa> frosch123: Thanks for reminder, but I'm already aware of that fact.
16:30:26  <santa> I'm messing around with it for about two hours, and in that time, I got 3 different maps, if I remember correctly.
16:31:12  <frosch123> so, what happens if you type "newgame" then?
16:31:25  <santa> I just got the same map
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16:32:12  <frosch123> that's very unlikely
16:33:22  <santa> Correct me if I'm wrong, but "getseed" command should always give me value, which was used to generate currently running map, even if I change generation_seed variable after map generation, right?
16:33:54  <frosch123> depends on how you change the variable
16:34:01  <frosch123> there is "setting" and "setting_newgame"
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16:35:39  <santa> Well, I was curious if changing generation_seed changes also the value returned from getseed command.
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16:36:13  <santa> But it probably does, as I just found out.
16:37:32  <santa> BTW, what is proper way to change generation_seed between different maps? Disable automatic configuration saving and leave blank value in config, or something else?
16:39:08  <frosch123> just type "newgame" in the server console
16:39:11  <frosch123> resp. via rcon
16:39:48  <santa> And that should change it, even if it's saved in config?
16:40:00  <santa> Than there's definitely something wrong :\
16:40:06  <frosch123> it works fine for me
16:42:07  <santa> Huh
16:42:16  <Colombo> does it work?
16:43:50  <santa> Either I am really dumb, or I should have bust some ghosts on my server.
16:44:13  <santa> Now it reads generation_seed value from configuration and generated map according to it.
16:46:20  <Colombo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc
16:46:50  <santa> It seems to be working as expected now.
16:48:45  <santa> Just to clarify one thing. If i set "reload_cfg" to true, it will always reuse generation seed from configuration file, and therefore stick to one map?
16:51:29  <santa> I'm really confused about that value and how server behaviour depends on it's value.
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16:53:03  <frosch123> yeah, generation seed may not make a lot of sense together with reload_cfg
16:53:38  <santa> Ok, so common recommendation would be not to use reload_cfg?
16:53:39  <frosch123> probably noone uses reload_cfg
16:54:07  <frosch123> default is "off"
16:54:18  <frosch123> no idea otherwise, never heard of anyone using it
16:54:30  <santa> Well, I did.
16:54:30  <frosch123> i would use the console command to load the cfg if i need to
16:54:40  <santa> Turned out to be bad idea.
16:56:41  <santa> Thanks for information, I never thought of it. But some description of that variable (except from true/false) on wiki would be nice. Could you be so kind and add it? Wiki seems to be somehow half-broken for me right now :\
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16:57:50  <santa> I'm sorry that I wasted your time with my "problem". Thanks really lot for help!
17:02:03  <frosch123> dihedral: so, what was your intention when adding reload_cfg in january 2008 ? :)
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17:02:50  <santa> :D
17:03:06  <frosch123> santa: with a vcs you can easily blame people :)
17:03:29  <santa> Yes, I see.
17:04:16  <santa> I believe that it can be extremely useful in extremely rare case, but except that, a bit of help what it really does would come handy.
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17:45:36  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25206 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-04-25 17:45:26 UTC)
17:45:37  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:38  <DorpsGek> belarusian - 8 changes by KorneySan
17:45:39  <DorpsGek> finnish - 7 changes by jpx_
17:45:40  <DorpsGek> russian - 1 changes by KorneySan
17:45:41  <DorpsGek> ukrainian - 2 changes by nsergiy
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18:03:24  <Terkhen> hello
18:15:58  <frosch123> hola terkhen :)
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19:39:17  <andythenorth> anything?
19:39:23  <Wolf01> nothing
19:39:57  <andythenorth> k
19:40:06  <frosch123> awk is one of my favorite script languages
19:40:19  <Wolf01> I'm lost on brickshelf again
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19:44:43  <andythenorth> Wolf01: there's rarely much good on brickshelf
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19:44:54  <andythenorth> or rather, it's good, but nothing new or inspiring
19:45:22  <Wolf01> I like to see some of my favourite authors' galleries
19:45:22  <andythenorth> I am much preferring http://www.brothers-brick.com
19:45:28  <andythenorth> and http://tweeaffect.blogspot.co.uk
19:45:35  <andythenorth> the really good stuff seems to be on flickr
19:45:47  <Wolf01> yeah
19:51:09  <frosch123> http://careerthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/steve-gerling-shark.jpg <- some of those things are really weird :p
19:52:12  <frosch123> though i guess such stuff defeats the point of lego
19:54:59  <Wolf01> legohaulic always amaze me: http://www.flickr.com/photos/legohaulic/6950854590/in/photostream/ when I was a kid I tried to build this one with my cousins, with bad results (and not because the lack of pieces)
19:55:51  <andythenorth> neat
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20:02:04  <HellTiger> http://i.imgur.com/z6MvXJF.gif
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20:11:53  <frosch123> night
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20:14:21  * andythenorth needs someone to draw stuff
20:15:03  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:25:45  <andythenorth> can we have bigger rivers? http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=433625&nseq=0
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20:44:13  <Eddi|zuHause> this doesn't look right http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-09760,_Vienenburg,_Erdrutsch.jpg
20:44:31  <Eddi|zuHause> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-09761,_Vienenburg,_Erdrutsch.jpg
20:44:44  <andythenorth> saves money on bridging
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21:05:41  <andythenorth> bye
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21:24:53  <Terkhen> good night
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21:58:45  <noce> ff
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22:28:58  <V453000> hi mfb :)
22:29:00  <V453000> uhm
22:29:02  <V453000> nope
22:29:03  <V453000> :D
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