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08:35:40 <planetmaker> heya dihedral :-) 08:35:44 <planetmaker> and Xaroth :-) 08:35:52 <Xaroth|Work> sup planetmaker 08:36:32 <planetmaker> we need a (test) bot which connects to admin port in, say, 1.1.4 in order to test whether it still works with current 1.3.x and trunk :-) 08:37:06 <planetmaker> with all instances of dihedral 's bot I found and still had I was somehow insuccessful yesterday 08:37:10 <Xaroth|Work> as in, to see if the protocol is still valid? 08:37:16 <planetmaker> exactly 08:37:28 <planetmaker> whether it barfs or not :-) 08:37:40 <planetmaker> (and to have something to check future additions with, too :D ) 08:37:47 <Xaroth|Work> my lib works with and without the patches applied, without on 1.3.1 and trunk, and with on trunk ofc 08:38:18 <peter1139> unsuccessful* 08:38:29 <Xaroth|Work> mind, sending a PING on an unpatched will disconnect you 08:38:35 <planetmaker> hm :-) do you have a small test application which I can just launch, Xaroth 08:38:36 <planetmaker> thx, peter1139 08:39:04 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: I normally do it through a python console, so I can specify what to send and receive 08:39:12 <Xaroth|Work> but a test app can be made at some point 08:40:48 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:03 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:41:12 <planetmaker> that's what I was looking for basically. And I know that I tested dih's incarnation long time ago successfully on life servers 08:41:43 <planetmaker> obviously I miss the right version, though :-) 08:42:03 <planetmaker> and I miss the environment to compile the java projects of his 08:43:02 <Xaroth|Work> I'm too spoiled with python; I get frustrated having to wait for compiles to finish :P 08:47:34 <planetmaker> well... a python file which I just call and possibly output its logs to console is fine, too 08:48:27 <Xaroth|Work> doable :) 08:48:34 <Xaroth|Work> first I need to move some code around a bit 08:48:50 <Xaroth|Work> this thing 'works' .. but not 100% how I want it to 08:48:50 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 08:54:07 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:55:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 08:56:36 <dihedral> test bot would actually be a good thing 08:57:10 <planetmaker> I thought you had it, dihedral 08:57:14 <dihedral> just a bot that communicates each and every packet and outputs what packet was sent / received 08:57:25 <planetmaker> I recall running a test instance of some bot of yours on the admin port of the publicserver 08:57:35 <planetmaker> simpleconsole or so? 08:57:41 <dihedral> joan 08:57:49 <planetmaker> but those downloads I found somehow did not work for me. yes, joan, too 08:57:52 <dihedral> if you start joan it will simply connect as a remote console 08:58:06 <planetmaker> I probably only failed in configuring it 08:58:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 09:04:28 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:06:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:45 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-245-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:15:06 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-225.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:31:19 <dihedral> but joan will only make use of console packets ... 09:35:04 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:46 <dihedral> perhaps i can add a simple joan test 09:37:02 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: what kind of packets do you want tested 09:38:24 <dihedral> all 09:38:44 <dihedral> if there is a protocol tester, it should test all it knows 09:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "the 24/7 surveillance of ecuador's embassy in london, in case julian assange leaves it, has already cost 4 million pounds" 09:45:52 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:49:08 * peter1139 smirks at QC 09:57:27 *** zooks [~zooks@wlan-177-249.wlan.ru.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:27 *** lugo [lugo@000189e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'm using a Free IRC Bouncer from BNC4FREE - http://bnc4free.com/] 10:02:16 *** wolfmitchell [~wolfmitch@znc.wolfmitchell.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:21 <planetmaker> Xaroth, dihedral is right, the "best" solution would be a comprehensive test. Otherwise I'd resort to a simply logging test as that's approx what worked for me before... somewhen somehow 10:04:59 *** wolfmitchell [~wolfmitch@znc.wolfmitchell.com] has joined #openttd 10:05:14 <Xaroth|Work> once I got this working, I'll see what I can do on that 10:05:29 <planetmaker> :-) 10:05:53 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 10:10:10 *** zooks [~zooks@wlan-177-249.wlan.ru.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:11:26 *** zooks [~zooks@wlan-177-249.wlan.ru.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:26 *** montalvo [~montalvo@180.149.251.77] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:25:43 <Xaroth|Work> on a side note, planetmaker, any chance we can get the packets in before 1.3.2 ? .. it's not a new feature, but the benefit is great enough to be in a release 10:49:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DC1D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:55:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:07:34 <planetmaker> hm, we already have an RC for 1.3.2 and it's not a fix. 11:08:37 <peter1139> fix: missing ping function 11:20:51 <Xaroth|Work> I agree with peter1139 :P 11:21:01 <Xaroth|Work> also: fix: missing end-of-command for rcon 11:31:56 *** tst [~id@46.16.33.157] has joined #openttd 11:32:01 *** tst [~id@46.16.33.157] has quit [] 11:45:19 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:21 *** adit [~adit@39.195.185.162] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:21 *** Teyro [~oftc-webi@f049156120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:23 <Teyro> Hi everyone. My Name is Christian i am the hoster of the biggest german linux gaming podcast (the playing penguin podcast a.k.a p3cast). I want to do an interview is someone here who can help me? 11:51:09 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 11:51:14 <Xaroth|Work> depends on who you need 11:52:28 <planetmaker> hello Teyro 11:52:49 <Teyro> hi planetmaker 11:53:34 <planetmaker> so how can we help you exactly? :-) 11:54:54 <Teyro> Well, i am looking for a guy / dev from the community who speaks german for an interview. My Listerns want to hear more about OpenTTD a created a video review but i want to do an interview too 11:55:13 <planetmaker> do you have time on 27/28 July? 11:55:19 <planetmaker> time to travel to Braunschweig? 11:55:38 <Teyro> hahahah why? 11:55:39 <planetmaker> you can then meet 70% of the active openttd devs 11:55:44 <Teyro> lol 11:56:10 <Teyro> maybe in realife i am a preschool teacher i have to look 11:56:17 <Teyro> at my timetable 11:56:58 <planetmaker> in real life all of us are something else. It's a hobby project after all ;-) 11:57:33 <peter1139> I'm a coder in real life too... 11:57:39 <peter1139> Wait, isn't this real? 11:57:45 <Teyro> ;) lol 11:57:50 <Teyro> maybe 11:58:03 <planetmaker> hehe, peter1139 :-) 11:58:03 <Teyro> maybe i have time have to decide it 11:58:47 <Teyro> The Problem is that is an Audio Podcast 11:59:11 <planetmaker> you surely have a laptop and a microphone ;-) 11:59:21 <Teyro> yes 11:59:59 <Teyro> mhhh ;) did you have some more information 12:01:18 <planetmaker> yes... basically we meet on that Saturday afternoon for cake, BBQ and drinks at my place. And have an awesome time till we fall asleep :-P 12:01:31 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=66728 12:01:59 <planetmaker> and sure enough many of our discussion topics will be openttd-related 12:04:17 <planetmaker> but yes, we can make an interview also another time 12:04:33 <planetmaker> just would give you an idea who we are :-P 12:04:42 <Teyro> lol great idea 12:04:46 <Teyro> thank you 12:04:55 <planetmaker> (the meeting itself will be in English, though, of course) 12:04:57 <Teyro> did you have jabber adress for contact? 12:05:05 <planetmaker> I don't have jabber, no 12:05:10 <Teyro> oh ok ;) 12:05:34 <Teyro> but you are german? 12:05:40 <planetmaker> well, yes 12:05:44 * peter1139 has jabber! 12:05:48 <peter1139> but nobody uses jabber :( 12:06:12 <planetmaker> too many communication channels spoil focus ;-) 12:06:55 <peter1139> problem with communications channels is you've got to use the ones the people you communicate with use :S 12:07:06 <planetmaker> kinda, yeah 12:07:16 <Teyro> ;) lol 12:07:29 <planetmaker> alternatively you could have conversations^Wmonologue with the wall next to you 12:07:30 <Teyro> yes 12:07:37 <peter1139> that would often be more useful 12:07:51 <planetmaker> sometimes it feels the same and might be less frustrating, yes 12:07:52 <Teyro> alternatively you could have conversations^Wmonologue with the wall next to you <---- = 12:07:53 <Teyro> ? 12:08:09 <planetmaker> as opposed to talking on different channels past eachother ^ 12:08:28 <blathijs> peter1139: Google Talk is jabber, so you add arbitrary Gmail addresses / google accounts in your Jabber 12:08:41 <peter1139> blathijs, google talk is gone 12:09:01 <peter1139> it's google hangouts now, and they dropped (s2s) jabber 12:09:23 <planetmaker> hangout at least was so much use to find one person again ;-) 12:09:30 <Teyro> yes i know i hate google for this fu**up 12:09:49 <blathijs> peter1139: They did? I'm still chatting to gmail accounts through Jabber without problems... 12:10:44 <Teyro> yes but i will end in the next weeks 12:10:58 <Teyro> its only for persons who didnt know that like you 12:11:00 <Teyro> ;) 12:11:08 <planetmaker> I hope yo don't end that quickly :-P 12:11:18 <peter1139> *it :p 12:12:16 <Teyro> well i afk for some minutes 12:12:25 <Teyro> wrote a mail to info@.... 12:12:29 <Teyro> see you soon 12:12:38 <planetmaker> thus it will be in my inbox :-P 12:14:53 *** stuf [stuf@heatenin.gs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:34 <Xaroth|Work> 14:01 <@planetmaker> yes... basically we meet on that Saturday afternoon for cake, BBQ and drinks at my place. And have an awesome time till we fall asleep :-P <<< alllll niiight looooooooong 12:25:49 <planetmaker> ^ 12:37:34 <Xaroth|Work> now if only we could get those two packets in trunk ;) 12:39:16 <planetmaker> gimme test bot :-P 12:39:22 <Xaroth|Work> I could also make a simple command that takes a JSON file of packets + info to send, and then print out on console what it prints and what it receives 12:39:28 <planetmaker> had I had it last night, it would be there ;-) 12:39:29 <Xaroth|Work> so you can test different cases easily 12:39:33 <Xaroth|Work> PFFFFFFFFFF :P 12:41:35 *** Teyro [~oftc-webi@f049156120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43:05 * peter1139 notes that his homemade wine is nice 12:48:43 *** Brumi_ [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 12:49:28 *** zooks [~zooks@wlan-177-249.wlan.ru.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:35 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:53:18 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:14 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 13:10:42 <Belugas> hello 13:12:00 <Xaroth|Work> hello Belugas 13:13:29 <Belugas> sir Xaroth :) 13:13:52 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:57 *** adit [~adit@39.208.231.186] has joined #openttd 13:23:38 *** Brumi_ [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [] 13:26:56 *** xT2 [~ST2@188.250.229.176] has joined #openttd 13:30:43 *** ST2 [~ST2@188.250.229.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:37 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:09 <planetmaker> salut Belugas 13:48:30 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:50:40 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 13:55:00 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 13:58:58 <Belugas> sir planetmaker! 13:59:29 <Belugas> problem of taxs printing. freaking corner case not expected... 14:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> corner cases would be way less fun if you could expect them :p 14:03:42 <planetmaker> tehehe 14:04:37 *** adit [~adit@39.208.231.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:29 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2384/ 14:16:20 <Xaroth|Work> and the json file as passed: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2385/ 14:26:26 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:36 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:29:55 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: if you want to test, check the commandline for the connection details; my server is running the RCON_END patch atm 14:32:33 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:24 <dihedral> Xaroth, I am at work and i have no time to test, until next week ;-) 14:38:44 <dihedral> at least 14:39:13 <Xaroth|Work> k 14:39:16 <dihedral> sadly 14:40:24 <Xaroth|Work> hopefully by then it'll be in trunk already :) 14:40:38 <dihedral> :-P 14:45:36 <dihedral> planetmaker, a protocol test would be tricky - some packets require client interaction - e.g. CLIENT_JOIN etc. 14:46:54 <Xaroth|Work> yep 14:48:14 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:50:48 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: SmatZ, avdg, ccfreak2k, dfox 14:51:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 14:51:54 *** Netsplit over, joins: ccfreak2k, dfox, SmatZ, avdg 14:55:25 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:50 <Belugas> indeed Eddi|zuHause. 14:56:21 <Belugas> would be best if we all could live in round rooms, as there would not be any corner at all... 14:56:28 <Belugas> o_O 15:06:26 *** krinn [~krinn@44.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:38 <krinn> hi guys 15:07:20 <krinn> can someone light me on change to AddSetting, AI doesn't handle easy, medium... value anymore, looking @ doc they are still needed values 15:18:01 <planetmaker> krinn, not sure I get your question... 15:19:38 <planetmaker> dihedral, some test always is better than no test at all :-) 15:19:53 <planetmaker> and now I get Xaroth's pastes 15:21:08 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:21:29 <krinn> the custome value cannot be use anymore, i find out other settings are now in openttd configuration 15:22:07 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: with my test script as it is now, you can easily simulate -some- situations, like rcon send and receive, but as dih mentioned, you can't really work with the more responsive things like clients and companies. 15:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the distinction between "difficulty settings" and "advanced settings" has been removed 15:22:17 <Xaroth|Work> well, companies might be feasible 15:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> as a side effect, the "easy/medium/hard" presets are also gone 15:23:13 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: so, will it make it before 1.3.2? *nudge* *nudge* :P 15:23:21 <planetmaker> yes, there's no 'custom' difficulty setting any longer available for AIs, krinn 15:23:35 <planetmaker> it didn't make sense anyway... 15:23:39 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:41 <krinn> but still the value is needed ? 15:23:56 <Xaroth|Work> how is the value needed? 15:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should ask what you're actually trying to do 15:24:25 <krinn> http://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/classAIInfo.html#390926c8e631a628510f0bcb0fa5ad29 15:24:28 <planetmaker> openttd <1.3 still has 'custom'. And the difficulty is something which your AI can use or not use 15:24:35 <planetmaker> you set that in the adv. settings for AIs now 15:24:36 <krinn> custom_value The default value if the custom difficulty level is selected. Required. 15:24:48 <planetmaker> thus it's a proxy on how difficult you want your AIs as player 15:25:29 <Xaroth|Work> ah 15:25:38 <Xaroth|Work> so what you're trying to say 15:25:52 <Xaroth|Work> AIInfo::AddSetting has easy/medium/hard/custom value as required 15:25:54 <planetmaker> the custom_value makes no sense anymore 15:25:56 <Xaroth|Work> while they are not used anymore 15:26:08 <planetmaker> easy/medium/hard are still used 15:26:12 <dihedral> planetmaker, true treu :-) 15:26:13 <Xaroth|Work> or that 15:26:25 <Xaroth|Work> file a bug report :) 15:26:27 <dihedral> but perhaps if the test starts an openttd instance to join a client ... :-D 15:26:43 <dihedral> can gamescripts chat in the mean time? 15:27:02 <dihedral> or AI's? 15:27:10 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: you can send data to gamescript? :P 15:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so 15:27:15 <Xaroth|Work> and have a gamescript send data back 15:27:42 <dihedral> Xaroth|Work, that tests the gamescript part of the protocol, not the CLIENT_JOIN and LEAVE etc. 15:27:44 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:27:45 <dihedral> or CHAT 15:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> admin-port <-> GS communication can be done with JSON objects 15:28:06 <Eddi|zuHause> other communication can be done via signs 15:28:26 <krinn> That's strange guys, as previously the settings were set before game start, now it could be alter while running 15:28:27 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: yeh, but it's a bit hard to test with a human factor included ;) 15:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but afaik direct chat was considered "wrong" 15:28:50 <dihedral> Xaroth, why? 15:28:58 <planetmaker> krinn, yes, in principle it could. But you can decide to not care :-) 15:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but your admin bot can read the chat, and send that to the GS 15:29:08 <dihedral> i can send an rcon command to chat and expect to receive the chat packet in the bot 15:29:09 <dihedral> perfect 15:29:12 <Xaroth|Work> because in tests you want to rule out as many variables as you can 15:29:14 <Xaroth|Work> not introduce more :P 15:29:24 <dihedral> i can trigger a program to start and connect the game and kill the program again 15:29:30 <Xaroth|Work> true 15:29:36 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:29:36 <planetmaker> dihedral, regression tests should not involve a human factor at best :-) 15:29:47 <Xaroth|Work> but I'm not going to build something that acts as a client :P 15:29:51 <planetmaker> regressions in openttd... hard 15:30:03 <dihedral> Xaroth, the protocol is very similar :-P 15:30:05 <dihedral> hihi 15:30:05 <planetmaker> though... hm. with GS and admin port one might actually be able to do so :D 15:30:27 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: I see you volunteered for the job ;) 15:30:38 <dihedral> or we add a --test parameter to openttd, which triggers packets to be sent based on xyz 15:31:05 <dihedral> Xaroth, to be honest, that is what joan did before anything else :-P 15:31:19 <Rubidium> can't you run a second openttd with -vnull and -nlocalhost ? 15:31:30 <Rubidium> that would at least join and quit 15:31:32 <dihedral> Rubidium, yes, i think that is the best thing to do 15:31:47 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: yeh, but you'll want to test more than just quit/join 15:31:48 <dihedral> Rubidium, and with scripts/on_connected.src chat ;-) 15:32:19 <Xaroth|Work> that just leaves a large chunk out :P 15:32:24 <dihedral> like what? 15:32:33 <Xaroth|Work> joining/swapping companies 15:32:37 <Xaroth|Work> cmd names/log 15:32:47 <dihedral> that can be done with a script 15:32:59 <planetmaker> rcon 15:33:04 <planetmaker> rcon move X Y 15:33:13 <dihedral> the server starts with a predifned game which includes multiple companies 15:33:38 <planetmaker> ^ 15:33:39 <dihedral> the client can join and with an scr script after it has joined perform all required tasks and quit 15:33:55 <dihedral> the start of the client can be triggered by the testing application 15:34:14 <planetmaker> hm :-) 15:35:11 <dihedral> i think i will have a fun few weeks ;-) 15:35:56 <dihedral> i am writing a piece of code into joan to perform the protocol test 15:36:08 <dihedral> i can then include the client stuff aswell 15:36:45 <dihedral> i am on my way home now 15:36:49 <dihedral> bye 15:36:49 <Xaroth|Work> o/ 15:37:54 <planetmaker> bye 15:41:05 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: a-d should be doable now with libottdadmin2 15:41:30 <Xaroth|Work> just needs building of the proper handling of it 15:42:08 <planetmaker> :-) 15:44:04 <planetmaker> wow, the long description really was tl;dr, Xaroth :-P 15:44:35 <krinn> those changes have made the strange effect bypassing initial setting of level as now user can switch it when he wish 15:44:40 <Xaroth|Work> README.md is quite.. empty :P 15:47:41 <krinn> per example: on init, base on difficulty i setup some vars, if user change them in game, the init won't happen again : it mean starting hard and switching to easy won't make it easier for real 15:47:53 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:49:06 <planetmaker> krinn, yes. Either you occasionally re-check the setting (or is there an event) and adjust the var. Or you just ignore it. Your choice :-) 15:49:51 <krinn> well, i check settings i have allowed user to change, but ones that were suppose not to be alter are now alterable 15:50:08 <planetmaker> things change :-) 15:50:24 <krinn> AICONFIG_INGAME has no mean so ? 15:51:17 <planetmaker> hm? 15:52:41 <krinn> it was suppose to block user from changing a setting in game, now it doesn't 15:52:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:27 <krinn> well, in fact it was contrary, with AICONFIG_INGAME user can alter setting, without it, he couldn't, now he could always base on difficulty swapping 15:53:47 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 15:54:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:56 <planetmaker> I don't know where that AICONFIG_INGAME is used... maybe that description needs adjustment? 15:57:27 <planetmaker> I know that it makes your life more difficult, but from a user perspective, isn't it nice, if you can adjust the AI difficulty to your (current) needs? 15:57:34 <krinn> http://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/classAIInfo.html#5c8349ebc14ec2c4b63187780c33f5b9 15:58:30 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:12 <planetmaker> and the difficulty setting has that set differently from any other setting? 15:59:24 <krinn> yes 15:59:30 <krinn> the option is still gray out 15:59:47 <krinn> but if i pickup another difficulty all settings are change 16:00:21 <krinn> so user cannot alter the option within the AI, like it was, but altering difficulty in openttd alter it 16:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so when you change the difficulty, the setting is set to that difficulty's default setting, even if it's flagged as "don't change ingame"? 16:00:42 <planetmaker> ah, now I get what you describe 16:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that is probably a bug 16:01:02 <krinn> yes even disallow ingame the setting is alter 16:01:58 <krinn> and any settings not touch by user are not kept too 16:04:16 <krinn> if any of you have my ai it's easy to see: check the "Alter how the ai act with others", that is gray, but change when user change the difficulty in openttd 16:04:21 <planetmaker> krinn, please open an FS issue and describe the problem there... or it might be forgotten again. 16:04:57 <krinn> planetmaker, going to do that 16:05:01 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 16:07:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B27E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:59 <planetmaker> Xaroth, which python version do you programme for? 16:11:19 <planetmaker> /usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/dist.py:267: UserWarning: Unknown distribution option: 'install_requires' 16:14:42 <Xaroth|Work> 2.7 :o 16:15:18 <Xaroth|Work> will check in a few 16:26:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-64-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 16:30:38 <planetmaker> Xaroth, http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2386/ 16:31:15 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "a group has spread several kilos of cannabis seed across Göttingen" 16:32:04 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: that one's already pushed iirc 16:32:18 <Xaroth|Work> in 1a74e80 16:32:44 <planetmaker> dunno, I pulled an hour ago or so 16:32:47 <Xaroth|Work> yeh 16:32:50 <Xaroth|Work> i fixed it right after that :P 16:41:23 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:16 <planetmaker> Xaroth, https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2387/ 16:43:21 <Xaroth|Work> hrnf 16:43:28 <Xaroth|Work> i'll look into that later :) 16:43:30 <Xaroth|Work> bbiab 16:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "from blah import *" is a code smell 16:48:57 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:49:33 <Alberth> moin 16:53:46 <planetmaker> o/ Alberth 16:53:49 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:54:09 <Alberth> hi pm 16:57:35 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A104.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:53 <Xaroth|Work> hrnf 17:09:56 <Xaroth|Work> strange error 17:10:16 <Xaroth|Work> ah, it's not 17:10:17 <Xaroth|Work> duh :| 17:10:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe3ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:20 <planetmaker> quaaak :-) 17:12:11 <frosch123> moin :) 17:12:23 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: fixed pushed.. i think 17:12:29 <Xaroth|Work> or at least 17:12:31 <Xaroth|Work> pushing 17:18:00 <Xaroth|Work> been a while since i had to work with python's setuptools :| 17:20:19 <planetmaker> right... remains....http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2388/ 17:20:49 <Xaroth|Work> hrnf 17:20:54 <Xaroth|Work> how did that not get comitted 17:22:00 <Xaroth|Work> more interestingly 17:22:08 <Xaroth|Work> how did my test run work :P 17:22:25 <planetmaker> that's what I try to figure out, too :-P 17:22:44 <planetmaker> frosch123, do you have time tomorrow night for a FIRS testgame? 17:22:51 <planetmaker> andy said something along those lines... 17:23:20 <Xaroth|Work> hm, odd 17:23:24 <Xaroth|Work> that commit missed that entire file 17:23:29 <planetmaker> and Alberth, you, too? 17:23:32 <frosch123> planetmaker: friday night is fine :) 17:23:49 <planetmaker> cool. I just prepare server... seems to be fine, surprisingly 17:24:06 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:24:06 <planetmaker> Not sure I should already prepare map... maybe andy still wants to make a last-minute commit :-P 17:24:18 <Alberth> oh, game! 17:24:27 <frosch123> planetmaker: will you be disappointed if not? 17:24:39 <planetmaker> if not what? 17:25:05 <Alberth> if no last-minute commit 17:25:06 <frosch123> no fundamental changes in firs within a week -> firs is dieing? 17:25:13 <planetmaker> :D 17:25:23 <planetmaker> no, I won't, I guess 17:25:44 <planetmaker> Maybe I'll then create a map with today's nightly 17:26:20 <Alberth> oh, starting takes another 24 hours, no need to hurry thus :p 17:26:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B27E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:28 <planetmaker> nope :-) 17:26:51 <planetmaker> andy and I talked about that a few days ago... was the only night he'd really have time it seems 17:29:01 <Xaroth|Work> right 17:29:07 <Xaroth|Work> this -should- do it 17:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> Not sure I should already prepare map... maybe andy still wants to make a last-minute commit :-P <-- andy would never do anything on short notice :p 17:29:16 <Xaroth|Work> apparently there were some files in the dir i was testing from 17:29:26 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, exactly :-P 17:29:28 <Xaroth|Work> that caused it to work properly while it was not functional 17:29:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25585 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (sqvm.cpp sqvm.h) (2013-07-11 17:29:51 UTC) 17:29:58 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5320]: [Squirrel] Stack overflow did not show an error, due to the stack to throw the error already being full 17:32:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:19 <planetmaker> that looks much better now, Xaroth :-) 17:45:08 <Xaroth|Work> :) 17:45:12 <Xaroth|Work> time to pick up the missus 17:45:29 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25586 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-07-11 17:45:20 UTC) 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:31 <DorpsGek> russian - 6 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:32 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 71 changes by GunChleoc 17:45:33 <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 3 changes by nglekhoi 17:46:07 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: easiest way to connect: from libottdadmin2.client import * ; a = AdminConnection() ; a.configure(password=x, host=y) ; a.connect() 17:46:16 <Xaroth|Work> .poll returns after 1 second of not receiving anything 17:46:36 <Xaroth|Work> unless you specify a timeout 17:46:42 <Xaroth|Work> useful for main loops 17:46:54 *** Supercheese [~Password4@98.145.153.126] has joined #openttd 17:47:22 <Xaroth|Work> if you need a test server; check the paste i showed earlier, it should have the hostname/creds 17:48:45 <planetmaker> test server runs local fine, but thanks 17:56:39 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXSSBu9uKrM (Spoiler if you didn't watch GoT season 1) :p 17:57:22 <Alberth> I don't even know what GoT is :p 17:57:38 <planetmaker> game of thrones 17:57:47 <planetmaker> best series around currently :-) 17:57:50 <Alberth> oh, right, the big hype 17:57:56 <planetmaker> both as book or movie 17:58:13 <frosch123> maybe i should read the book 17:58:18 <planetmaker> Yesterday I bought the 5 books available :-) 17:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it rightfully deserves that hype :p 17:58:21 <frosch123> can't be bothered to watch tv :p 18:01:56 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that's more than season1 18:02:08 <planetmaker> or so I believe 18:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> not really 18:02:51 <planetmaker> I'd think the Dothraki lost their Khal only in 2 18:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that was the end of season 1 18:03:32 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> in season 2 they moved through the desert to "the greatest city there ever was and ever will be" 18:05:01 <planetmaker> I love it how they allow the one of the 13 to enjoy his treasures forever :-) 18:05:50 <planetmaker> supposedly book and film differ at the house of the undying 18:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and in season 3 they (*spoiler*) 18:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't read the books, so i don't really care about the differences 18:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> like i also didn't read lord of the rings 18:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't care about the differences there either 18:07:21 <planetmaker> not really... but I can't be bothered to wait for seasons 4 and 5 ;-) 18:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> George R. 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Martin: "the last book took 6 years to come out, so i fear the TV series might catch up" :p 18:09:25 <krinn> Later guys (still i blame Eddi|zuHause for not reading lotr book! ) 18:09:36 *** krinn [~krinn@44.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:09 <frosch123> i heard the lotr book :p 18:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> http://teamcoco.com/video/conan-highlight-red-wedding-reactions <-- this is really great :) (spoiler-ish for season 3) 18:16:19 <Eddi|zuHause> http://teamcoco.com/video/george-r-r-martin-afraid <-- also thos (same warning as above) 18:16:21 <__ln__> the beginning of lotr is so dull that i bet many people quit there. 18:16:31 <__ln__> the lotr book, that is. 18:16:46 <__ln__> but it gets better. 18:17:02 <planetmaker> I quit there the first time 18:17:17 <planetmaker> Only in the 2nd attempt I got past the first 300 pages or so 18:18:32 <__ln__> gandalf visits frodo in the spring, and tells he should go on a journey not later than in the autumn. 18:19:06 <__ln__> that alone is quite different than the time scale in the movie. 18:19:44 * ToBeFree thought GoT is God of Thunder, a very very old game... DOS, I believe 18:19:52 <ToBeFree> ;-) 18:20:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the time frame of the movie is a little inconsistent, or at least not very clear 18:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> they occasionally sprinkle in "it has been X months since we left the shire" 18:20:25 <ToBeFree> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_Thunder_%28video_game%29 yay 18:24:35 <Xaroth|Work> the red wedding was epic 18:24:39 <Xaroth|Work> it was better in the books tho 18:31:10 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [] 18:31:46 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 18:40:25 <__ln__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23269437 18:40:36 <__ln__> the last paragraph in particular 18:49:26 *** Supercheese [~Password4@98.145.153.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:28 <peter1139> heh 19:08:52 *** permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has joined #openttd 19:13:28 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has joined #openttd 19:17:41 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:44 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 19:25:36 *** Supercheese [~Password4@98.145.153.126] has joined #openttd 19:35:04 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [] 19:37:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:24 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:39:26 <andythenorth> o/ 19:39:44 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth 19:41:47 <planetmaker> andythenorth, only thing missing for tomorrow is a map :-) 19:41:55 <andythenorth> ah yes :) 19:41:58 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:59 <andythenorth> needs to be tropic 19:42:04 <planetmaker> ok 19:42:18 <planetmaker> I still plan to make one tonight... just FIRS nightly? 19:42:25 <planetmaker> any other wishes? 19:42:33 <planetmaker> any special GS? 19:45:57 <andythenorth> hmm 19:46:00 <andythenorth> NoCarGoal? 19:46:14 <andythenorth> FIRS nightly, a nice trainset, CHIPS 19:46:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:38 <planetmaker> k :-) Was along the lines I was thinking, too 19:50:05 <frosch123> brazilian town names? 19:50:17 <planetmaker> :-) good idea 19:50:29 <planetmaker> Or South African 19:50:45 <frosch123> whichever sound more exotic 19:50:58 <frosch123> i am worried about them being just european :p 19:51:11 <planetmaker> :D 19:51:48 <andythenorth> we need a decent trainset for Tropic :P 19:51:53 <andythenorth> I should make one 19:51:58 <andythenorth> export engines 19:52:02 <planetmaker> UKRS in the sun ;-) 19:52:10 <planetmaker> but too old, I think 19:52:33 <andythenorth> too old 19:55:33 <planetmaker> Xaroth, definitely should add a trailing whitespace check to his editor 19:57:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25587 /trunk/src/network (4 files in 2 dirs) (2013-07-11 19:57:40 UTC) 19:57:46 <DorpsGek> -Add FS#5643: Conclude rcon output sent to admin clients with an RCON_END packet (Xaroth) 20:00:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B27E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:05:37 <Sacro> planetmaker: surely I shouldn't need to alter his source in order to just compile it >< 20:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> "Moscow-Havannah flight takes an unusal route today" http://upgrd.com/matthew/snowden-onboard-aeroflot-flight-to-havana.html 20:08:31 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes, because of weather 20:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that's what it is :p 20:09:09 <planetmaker> what, Sacro ? 20:09:47 <Sacro> planetmaker: this openttd patchpack, I shoudn't have to fix it first surely? 20:10:08 <Sacro> does the GPL not say it should 'just build'? 20:10:28 <Supercheese> which patchpack? 20:10:47 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=66892 20:11:52 <andythenorth> time for code 20:12:17 <andythenorth> I quite enjoyed reading this: http://sealedabstract.com/rants/hey-programmers-we-need-to-talk/ 20:12:21 <andythenorth> and now I will make something 20:12:24 <andythenorth> or talk about it :P 20:13:42 <planetmaker> err... I still don't get how that patchpack relates to anything done or said here, but maybe you can tell me :-) 20:13:56 <Supercheese> He's already built binaries, no? 20:13:59 <planetmaker> I'm still lost as of the context of that question 20:14:00 <Sacro> planetmaker: he's provided a 'specia' diff 20:14:11 <Sacro> his diff doesn't merge cleanly 20:14:14 <Sacro> his source doesn't compie 20:14:28 <planetmaker> ah 20:14:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B27E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:38 <Sacro> Supercheese: so? You surley can't provide working binaries with broken source? 20:14:47 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: i use a simple text editor, not an IDE :) 20:15:00 <Sacro> I don't want a music set >< 20:15:07 <Sacro> piss off, you're a dedicated server 20:15:11 *** tritoch_ [tritoch@173-22-106-76.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: the GPL does not say it has to build in every environment out there 20:15:22 <tritoch_> any easy way to sell all trains? 20:15:29 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: mm 20:15:35 <tritoch_> bought out a company with 500 trains and want to liquidate 20:15:36 <andythenorth> tritoch_: send all to one depot 20:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> tritoch_: there is a "sell all" button if they are all in one depot 20:15:45 <tritoch_> ugh AI built 1000 depots 20:17:12 <andythenorth> how tedious :P 20:17:21 <tritoch_> yeah i have to destroy all those next 20:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> then you're probably out of luck 20:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> or you destroy the depots first 20:17:49 <tritoch_> already destroyed a good amount of track unfortunately 20:18:09 <tritoch_> was hoping there was some way to do it from groups or replace i didn't know about 20:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:19:50 <Sacro> Argh 20:19:59 <Sacro> OpenTTD has no concept of 'Happy faces' 20:20:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you can only send them to depot from there, or autoreplace. but not sell 20:20:09 <tritoch_> ok thanks 20:20:21 <tritoch_> i'll just load a pre-buyout save 20:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: attach your issues to the two-earrings-report? :p 20:20:55 <Sacro> :( 20:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> is that even still open? 20:23:25 <planetmaker> happy faces? 20:23:54 <andythenorth> code removal ftw 20:24:00 * andythenorth unwrites code 20:24:20 <Supercheese> -2000 lines 20:24:47 <andythenorth> it's an old story :) 20:25:05 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:31:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25588 /trunk/src/network (4 files in 2 dirs) (2013-07-11 20:31:39 UTC) 20:31:46 <DorpsGek> -Feature [FS#5643]: PING and PONG packets for admin port (Xaroth) 20:32:41 <andythenorth> hmm HEQS needs this http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?client=safari&rls=en&biw=1276&bih=636&tbm=isch&tbnid=Bge1S87a_MiAXM:&imgrefurl=http://worddomination.com/haulout.html&docid=KZAvRDlRXiVgoM&imgurl=http://i.ytimg.com/vi/h9AauOUMLDQ/0.jpg&w=480&h=360&ei=SBbfUbf1GKz20gWE5ICYCQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:97&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=171&tbnw=243&start=0&ndsp=21&tx=140&ty=142 20:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> next time without the whole google wrap? 20:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and what are we supposed to see there? 20:35:14 <andythenorth> hang on 20:35:15 <andythenorth> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/h9AauOUMLDQ/0.jpg 20:35:53 <Xaroth|Work> <3 planetmaker 20:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so that's some sort of harvest machine? 20:36:15 <andythenorth> sugarcane hauler 20:36:24 <andythenorth> unloads to narrow gauge rail cars 20:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "the theory circulates that the 'information' that snowden might have been on morales' machine was issued by russian FSB, to test the USA's reaction, and to set up the south american leaders against the US" 20:39:09 <frosch123> andythenorth: the closest i came to that ideal was r12346, fixing two fs taks with basically only removing code 20:39:57 <andythenorth> :) 20:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> this is pure cold war game theory :) 20:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i count two + lines that aren't only comment changes 20:43:43 <frosch123> those lines also only result from previous lines by removing some chars 20:43:59 <frosch123> like "}", "{" and "else" or so 20:44:23 <__ln__> http://upgrd.com/matthew/snowden-onboard-aeroflot-flight-to-havana.html 20:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: oooold 20:45:20 <__ln__> oh, so it is 20:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> if you look back at cold war strategies which are based on game theory, you really notice that americans are poker players, while russians are chess players :p 20:47:01 <andythenorth> ugh 20:47:04 <andythenorth> makefile editing :( 20:47:36 <planetmaker> what you need, andythenorth ? 20:48:06 <andythenorth> I'm removing the FISH.cfg file that the makefile uses as a target 20:48:17 <andythenorth> so I need to use something else? 20:48:35 <andythenorth> it was bad anyway, I had to use make clean constantly, as that file wasn't changing but codebase was 20:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> as a target for what? 20:48:51 <andythenorth> not sure, my make knowledge is 'edit + hope' 20:48:56 <andythenorth> fish.nml: src/FISH.cfg $(GENERATE) 20:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that means you messed up your dependencies 20:49:10 <andythenorth> ok 20:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have a link to the file? 20:49:34 <andythenorth> 1s 20:49:55 <andythenorth> was a nasty hack anyway https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/entry/scripts/Makefile.in 20:50:00 <andythenorth> planetmaker was AWOL when I did it :D 20:50:18 <andythenorth> so FISH.cfg is removed 20:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so, you remove the .cfg, and add _all_ .py files to GENERATE=... 20:50:52 <andythenorth> *.py? 20:50:55 <andythenorth> or by name? 20:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> by name 20:51:14 <Alberth> find . -name "*.py" -print 20:51:24 <andythenorth> I wonder how FIRS does it 20:51:28 <andythenorth> FIRS seems to work ok 20:51:45 <andythenorth> oh this https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/scripts/Makefile_nml 20:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/scripts/Makefile.in 20:52:02 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Easy as 3.14159265358979323846... ] 20:52:07 <Eddi|zuHause> this is how CETS does it 20:52:16 <andythenorth> thanks 20:53:35 <andythenorth> FIRS doesn't bother looking for deps? 20:53:48 <andythenorth> just rebuilds everything every time make runs? 20:54:21 <andythenorth> hmm, different chain, there's a CPP step for FIRS too 20:54:25 <andythenorth> dunno if that matters 20:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea 20:54:52 <andythenorth> me neither :) 20:54:56 <andythenorth> works though 20:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause> having to do "make -B" is bad habit, though 20:55:36 <Alberth> partial rebuild is kind of useless for newgrfs 20:55:56 <Alberth> as you cannot link newgrf object files together 20:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well YOU can't :p 20:56:22 <Alberth> so yeah, the only solution is to build it entirely every time 20:56:23 <andythenorth> I am tempted to try :P 20:56:36 <andythenorth> I am fine with building everything every time 20:56:39 <Alberth> andythenorth: Eddi|zuHause has a hack for it 20:56:46 <andythenorth> I know :) 20:57:12 <andythenorth> hmm 20:57:19 <andythenorth> it might be getting too late for 'teach andythenorth make' 20:57:29 <planetmaker> it basically does what NML set out to start with - until we discovered that it could as well write everything 20:57:36 <Alberth> gnu make manual is very good 20:58:14 <planetmaker> yes, I learnt a lot there :-) 20:58:52 <Alberth> much more than I know ;) 20:58:57 <andythenorth> planetmaker: any way you can figure out which makefile FISH has? (your most up to date version?) 20:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "Transparency International: the media are now perceived as more corrupt than the parliament in germany" 20:59:35 <Alberth> lol 20:59:40 <Alberth> good night 20:59:45 <andythenorth> bye 21:00:04 <planetmaker> g'night Alberth 21:00:07 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> (only worse are the individual political parties, and the private economy sector) 21:01:28 <andythenorth> I think I need a phony target 21:01:34 <andythenorth> need / is easiest /s 21:01:54 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A104.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:02:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you could also write a python dependency analyzer 21:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> there's already a builtin parser, so you just have to walk the tree and look for import statements 21:02:51 <andythenorth> hmm 21:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually wrote such a thing before :) 21:04:18 <andythenorth> 11s build right now 21:04:26 <andythenorth> would that be an optimisation step? 21:04:39 <andythenorth> in fact, not calling nmlc twice *might* be a better optimisation :o 21:04:41 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not 21:04:58 <andythenorth> why _does_ FISH call nmlc twice? :P 21:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> because of the gfx-dependency calculation 21:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably didn't update the makefile 21:05:43 <andythenorth> nope 21:05:48 <andythenorth> it was just a hack :P 21:06:02 <andythenorth> I think it needs rewriting properly 21:07:22 <planetmaker> if you do that, base it on make-nml 21:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> just re-import from the makefile project, and keep your makefile.in 21:07:35 <planetmaker> ^ 21:07:57 <andythenorth> ok 21:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> since you really should not have changed any other files :) 21:08:06 <andythenorth> no 21:08:18 <andythenorth> all I need to change is one target file afaict 21:08:50 <andythenorth> I have tried to read make manual, but basically it's "start at the top" :P 21:09:12 <andythenorth> I usually skip most docs and just read about specific keywords 21:09:19 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:20 <andythenorth> this isn't always good 21:10:00 <SamanthaD> Hey everyone! 21:10:40 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the Make manual imho is well-structured... so not reading everything works usually... 21:11:04 <andythenorth> I think I missed a step about key concepts & terminology ;) 21:11:37 <planetmaker> key concept is 21:11:44 <planetmaker> target: dependencies 21:11:57 <planetmaker> rules how to create target from dependency 21:12:27 <andythenorth> neat explanation 21:12:58 <andythenorth> and if the dependency hasn't changed? 21:12:59 <SamanthaD> Question: How close to a road does a building need to be to spawn in a town/city? 21:13:12 <planetmaker> adjacent 21:13:36 <SamanthaD> really?! so how do 3x3 city grids work?! 21:13:49 <andythenorth> gap in the middle 21:13:57 <andythenorth> or filled by 2x2 buildings 21:14:06 <SamanthaD> oh! that makes sense, thanks 21:14:06 <planetmaker> afaik yes 21:14:31 <andythenorth> gives you somewhere to put stations whene station walking :P 21:14:39 <SamanthaD> LOL 21:14:57 * andythenorth always station walks in cities 21:14:59 <SamanthaD> What I'm doing is building a "muni" system by replacing every other road with train tracks 21:15:08 <planetmaker> good night 21:15:14 <SamanthaD> night planetmaker 21:15:44 <SamanthaD> and do the ends of bridges count as "roads"? 21:15:50 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 21:17:06 <Xaroth|Work> they do allow roads to be built to them 21:17:10 <Xaroth|Work> iirc there was something odd with them 21:17:18 <Xaroth|Work> that a bridge counted as a road of length 1 21:17:59 <Xaroth|Work> so you could build bridges from the town center out, and when the city grew, skyscrapers would not only form in the center, but also near the bridge ends 21:18:07 <SamanthaD> Thanks! Just as long as buildings will spawn next to the ends I'm good :3 21:18:30 <Xaroth|Work> not sure if buildings will spawn next to the bridge head, or if they really want a road attached to it 21:20:35 <SamanthaD> I guess I'll experiment a bit 21:20:47 <SamanthaD> if anything else, I could just use tunnels under my tracks instead of bridges over them 21:21:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe3ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: quak] 21:24:56 <SamanthaD> Also, in Cargodist if I have a series of stations on the same "line" (let's call them A - Z) and I service them with two routes, one that stops at every station and one that skips stations, are passengers smart enough to transfer from the local to the express lines when appropriate? 21:28:27 *** Dark-Ace-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 21:32:37 <andythenorth> bed time 21:32:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:34:09 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:38 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 21:42:43 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:45:31 *** MrShell [~mrshell@HSI-KBW-5-56-195-183.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 21:46:16 <Xaroth|Work> hm 21:46:53 <Xaroth|Work> Receive_ADMIN_GAMESCRIPT limits received json data to NETWORK_GAMESCRIPT_JSON_LENGTH 21:47:08 <Xaroth|Work> SendGameScript compares it to SEND_MTU (-4) 21:47:25 <Xaroth|Work> so it can send 6 bytes more than it can receive 21:50:19 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.135.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:51 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:55:41 <Xaroth|Work> thar, patch made and reported 22:03:46 *** MrShell [~mrshell@HSI-KBW-5-56-195-183.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04:19 *** Dark-Ace-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 22:14:27 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@46.208.2.126] has joined #openttd 22:52:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:02:07 *** adit [~adit@39.214.92.213] has joined #openttd 23:07:35 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@e179136225.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:13:08 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:11 *** adit [~adit@39.214.92.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:48 *** Jomann [~abchirk@e178187018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DC1D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:16 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.135.131] has joined #openttd