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06:12:38  <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth
06:12:38  <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <andythenorth> bye
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07:21:47  <SamanthaD> Hey everyone...
07:22:21  <TinoDidriksen> Waffles.
07:22:27  <SamanthaD> waffles are awesome
07:24:30  <SamanthaD> stupid question time: Is there some place I can look up what each function and variable does in the OpenTTD source code?
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07:24:42  <SamanthaD> I'm having a *really* hard time digesting a lot of this stuff
07:25:13  <TinoDidriksen> What, actual documentation for a FOSS project? Utopia...
07:25:36  <SamanthaD> I'd settle for a half dozen in-line comments?
07:27:37  <TinoDidriksen> You can get some overview by running the project through Doxygen - I see a Doxyfile in the source root, so others use that.
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07:28:16  <SamanthaD> I've never used doxygen before... I'll have to figure out how to do it
07:29:23  <SamanthaD> heh... I find it funny that Debian splits doxygen-doc into its own .deb
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07:34:14  <andythenorth> o/
07:34:31  <planetmaker> moin
07:34:55  <planetmaker> SamanthaD, try http://docs.openttd.org/
07:35:10  <SamanthaD> thanks planetmaker
07:37:58  <planetmaker> but all you get there of course is "only" the doxygen. Which, as I understand, is actually quite extensive
07:38:39  <SamanthaD> *QUITE* extensive! When I clicked the link Firefox went unresponsive for about 15 seconds loading it all up
07:38:50  <SamanthaD> I was about to whine at you for crashing my browser ;)
07:39:12  <SamanthaD> maybe I just need a new computer <.<
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07:47:48  <maddy_> planetmaker: I never knew of that documentation :) thanks, it will be useful
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07:59:31  <planetmaker> :-)
08:01:11  <planetmaker> you can also download compiled docs for each binary version we offer
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08:03:22  <planetmaker> I'm actually not sure whether it's linked anywhere... I wonder :-)
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08:50:14  * andythenorth ponders
08:50:45  <andythenorth> there are quite a lot of FIRS graphics which could be single station tiles in CHIPS
08:50:51  <andythenorth> good idea?
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08:52:39  <planetmaker> possibly yes
08:52:53  <planetmaker> Or as objects :D
08:55:17  <andythenorth> someone fixed redirect after account login on openttd.org?
08:55:19  <andythenorth> \o/
08:55:31  <planetmaker> really?
08:55:58  <andythenorth> yes
08:56:16  <andythenorth> :)
08:57:40  <planetmaker> hm :-)
08:58:01  <planetmaker> btw, I added three new tabs at FIRS project page, download release, download nightly and docs
08:58:24  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=68477 kinda made clear that docs were a bit hidden :-)
08:59:50  <andythenorth> I could add a gameplay guide to the docs
08:59:53  <andythenorth> kinda been avoiding that
09:00:01  <andythenorth> but the wiki page is so outdated it's misleading :P
09:00:28  <andythenorth> hmm
09:00:38  <andythenorth> Bulk Terminal -> Bulk Wharves
09:00:40  <andythenorth> or Bulk Wharf
09:00:45  <andythenorth> or Bulk Quay
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09:02:20  <andythenorth> planetmaker: can we assume this is acceptable to me?  https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6287
09:02:28  <andythenorth> and if it's not, we'll figure it out later?
09:03:18  <planetmaker> well. yes and no. Going back with the NewGRF version reported to openttd is kinda... a bad thing
09:03:38  <planetmaker> changing the thing displayed to the user... is an entirely different one. And can be changed to anything.
09:04:05  <planetmaker> going back as in suddenly reporting a version lower than one which was already reported
09:04:07  <andythenorth> I'm going to trust to you :)
09:04:19  <planetmaker> you then trust me more than I do :-P
09:04:58  <planetmaker> what could be interesting: will there be future releases from any of the existing branches, andy?
09:04:58  <andythenorth> what's the worst that could happen? :P
09:05:03  <andythenorth> dunno :)
09:05:06  <andythenorth> can't predict the future
09:05:12  <andythenorth> have no reason to branch currently
09:05:19  <andythenorth> there are no planned features that would require a branch
09:05:37  <andythenorth> I can't even forsee any reason for a 2.0 right now
09:05:49  <planetmaker> the worst which could happen is that openttd thinks that older FIRS is newer than actually newer, that people get confused about change of displayed versioning and cry about
09:05:49  <andythenorth> (2.0 is the only case I can think of for branching currently)
09:06:07  <planetmaker> I didn't mean a new branch but one of the existing :-)
09:06:16  <andythenorth> current branches are all dead afaik
09:06:30  <andythenorth> I just ship to trunk
09:06:31  <planetmaker> I think so, too. But... yeah :-) wanted to ask you :D
09:06:43  <andythenorth> I could make a branch for each milestone, but meh
09:06:51  <planetmaker> meh, why? :-P
09:06:55  <andythenorth> admin :P
09:07:22  <andythenorth> more likely scenario: urgent bug fix for previous release, and trunk is not in a state I can ship.
09:07:29  <andythenorth> in that case I branch previous release
09:07:42  <planetmaker> yeah. that's how we kinda used it before
09:08:09  <andythenorth> FIRS has a few people who make occasional commits
09:08:23  <planetmaker> which is nice :-)
09:08:25  <andythenorth> I don't want them to have to deal with selecting [current milestone] branch first :)
09:08:32  <andythenorth> might put them off
09:08:46  <andythenorth> so conclusion: don't worry about old branches
09:08:51  <andythenorth> can we remove them? o_O
09:09:01  <planetmaker> good. Then we can have v5000 soonish :D
09:10:48  <planetmaker> it's kinda a try for me, too. What I wrote / suggest there is the best I could come up with, including frosch's nice input on the issue
09:11:27  <planetmaker> I'l then apply the patch during this week and we can already see how it looks :-)
09:11:48  <planetmaker> and then hopefully nothing changes when I'm ready to switch the actual compile "farm"
09:14:48  <andythenorth> ok
09:15:07  <planetmaker> btw, andythenorth http://bamboo.openttdcoop.org/allPlans.action
09:15:46  <andythenorth> it's building :)
09:15:56  <planetmaker> yeah... configured to poll the repo all 3 minutes currently
09:16:54  <planetmaker> it's published to a non-public place, but... kinda works. I just wonder how to make it easily configurable for *every* newgrf project which we currently have (and which wants it)
09:17:07  <andythenorth> biab
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11:20:28  <Eddi|zuHause> did you just say "it's public but non-public"?
11:21:12  <planetmaker> no
11:22:06  <planetmaker> I said that publishing is not yet configured to put the build results where anyone can access them (except ssh users of the build machine)
11:22:12  <planetmaker> which boils down to me
11:22:37  <planetmaker> and other people with root access to the physical server
11:23:20  <planetmaker> (nor is that yet desired as it's a test machine, and not the live compile "farm" of DevZone)
11:24:24  <Eddi|zuHause> what i meant: "to publish" == "to make public". if it's not public after making public, you did something wrong
11:25:10  <planetmaker> call it 'limited public' then ;-)
11:25:31  <planetmaker> besides... that's what editors usually do. They 'publish' behind a HUGE paywall ;-)
11:26:07  <planetmaker> for enough money I'll also give you access to the completely pointlessly redundant builds of FIRS from that VM ;-)
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12:21:18  <fjb> Moin
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12:26:35  <DanMacK> Hey all
12:30:48  <fjb> Moin DanMacK
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13:45:03  <Belugas> hello
13:45:47  <V453000> moo
13:46:01  <Belugas> heard that before :D
13:46:06  <V453000> :)
13:46:35  <V453000> moo? :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/RAINBOWSLUGS2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/RAINBOWSLUGS1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/FASHION.png
13:48:25  <Belugas> mioum :)
13:50:04  <V453000> fashyon
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13:54:36  <fjb> Moin Belugas
13:54:39  <fjb> Moin V453000
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13:59:51  <evanec> hi
14:00:04  <evanec> anyone uses cargodist?
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14:09:24  <fjb> Yes
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14:50:14  <Belugas> hello sir fjb
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15:58:01  <Terkhen> hello
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16:23:23  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
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16:27:39  <__ln__> there should be a similar one made about openttd
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16:31:33  <Eddi|zuHause> so we're selling OpenTTD for 99$?
16:31:43  <planetmaker> sure
16:32:24  <V453000> nice
16:32:29  <V453000> how much for DLC?
16:32:45  <Eddi|zuHause> 3$ per GRF?
16:32:57  <V453000> per download?
16:33:04  <planetmaker> yeah.
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16:33:08  <V453000> fair nuf!
16:33:12  <planetmaker> we don't track you. thus each download counts
16:33:18  <V453000> :P
16:33:32  <Eddi|zuHause> well we could do tracking via steam :p
16:33:46  <Eddi|zuHause> but they probably want 30%
16:33:58  <planetmaker> still 100% more than now :-P
16:34:04  <planetmaker> 1000000000%
16:34:08  <planetmaker> ;-)
16:35:00  <Eddi|zuHause> problem: we don't have reversi!
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16:35:27  <scshunt> Eddi|zuHause: we could make it!
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17:35:25  <andythenorth> This is ripe for an update  http://wiki.openttd.org/FIRS
17:35:46  <andythenorth> Could be my good deed for tonight - if anyone will help...?
17:37:38  <Alberth> o/ andy
17:39:41  <andythenorth> o/
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17:39:48  <Alberth> looks like a very random collection of stuff
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17:41:28  <andythenorth> Yup :)
17:41:34  <DanMacK> Heya
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17:41:49  <andythenorth> Lo  DanMacK
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17:45:42  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25746 /trunk/src/lang (polish.txt serbian.txt) (2013-08-26 17:45:34 UTC)
17:45:43  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:44  <DorpsGek> polish - 3 changes by wojteks86
17:45:45  <DorpsGek> serbian - 63 changes by ivan_mile
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18:00:40  <Wolf01> moin
18:00:49  <Alberth> o/ Wolf01
18:04:41  <maddy_> damn tt-forums feels fast now, I guess the admins did something to it? because it had been really slow lately
18:07:01  <Alberth> mostly it stopped being slow :)
18:12:09  <maddy_> too bad my power supply is broken, computer keeps restarting by itself, some automatic power surge protection keeps triggering
18:23:35  <Wolf01> eh, my PSU catched fire some days ago
18:25:41  <maddy_> nasty
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18:51:43  <Wolf01> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aOqdYoE_460s.jpg tt roads without maintenance
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19:41:20  <andythenorth> hmm, so I need to fix up this http://wiki.openttd.org/FIRS
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19:42:36  <V453000> andythenorth: "Play and see for yourself." summary of article? :P
19:43:26  <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs <- andythenorth: rather that
19:43:33  <frosch123> remove old links, add link to documentation
19:43:58  <andythenorth> planetmaker thoughts?
19:44:04  <andythenorth> the forum post prompted this :P
19:44:13  <andythenorth> I could add a little more to docs about how industries work
19:44:18  <andythenorth> but then....where's the game? :P
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19:49:11  <andythenorth> hmm
19:49:23  <andythenorth> people will be sad if I just deleted most of that page :P
19:50:37  <V453000> I still like the concept of having every document in one place
19:50:41  <V453000> -> on devzone
19:51:01  <V453000> perhaps a link from wiki.openttd.org, but its own page there seems silly :)
19:51:02  <andythenorth> canonical docs
19:51:16  <andythenorth> my docs are on bundles, but same difference as devzone?
19:51:26  <V453000> hm :)
19:51:44  <V453000> point
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19:56:44  <andythenorth> no conclusion then :P
19:57:39  <frosch123> andythenorth: there is no link to the docs
19:57:45  <frosch123> and the existing doc link is dead
20:00:30  <andythenorth> ok
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20:27:37  <andythenorth> is it rude to delete wrong / outdated stuff?
20:27:45  <andythenorth> I never really understood wiki etiquette
20:27:56  <andythenorth> I edited wikipedia once, but it got reverted of course
20:30:57  <frosch123> hmm, i think i never edited the original wikipedia
20:31:01  <frosch123> only other wikis
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20:44:48  <Bad_Brett> hmm... when there's a train crash, is the "final" sprite random?
20:46:21  <frosch123> random orientation
20:46:45  <Bad_Brett> yeah, that's what i suspected
20:46:57  <Bad_Brett> or wait a minute
20:48:04  <Bad_Brett> perhaps i can use the direction variable even after the train has crashed...
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20:49:17  <frosch123> at least inside depots and on bridges / in tunnels you won't have any direction
20:49:57  <frosch123> except maybe relative position to next vehicle, but also only as long as that is not removed
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20:54:59  <Bad_Brett> ok, thanks. i guess i'll do it "the easy" way and add a crash spriteset to the first part of the vehicle and use dummy sprites for articulated parts
20:55:33  <frosch123> shatter it into unrecognisable pieces
20:55:34  <Bad_Brett> after all, crashes don't occur that frequently
20:55:43  <Bad_Brett> yeah, i though about that as well
20:56:46  <Bad_Brett> my first idea was to animate a dust cloud by putting the animation frames in a spriteset, but since the final direction is random that won't work
21:00:48  <frosch123> night
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21:34:33  <andythenorth> bye
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21:35:24  <_habnabit> is it possible to only unload a certain percentage of cargo at a station, or is it always unload everything?
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22:49:51  <Wolf01> 'night
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