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11:39:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:45 <frosch123> Taede: i fail to reproduce fs#5793 11:41:01 <Taede> what happens instead, does it get handled correctly? 11:41:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AEE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:54 <frosch123> yes 11:42:17 <frosch123> i started with -D -g bla.sav 11:42:35 <frosch123> do you maybe have some other save loaded before? 11:42:41 <Taede> yes 11:42:50 <Taede> we tried loading the game via adminport/rcon 11:42:56 <Taede> on a running server 11:43:09 <frosch123> i would think that something is not properly cleared/reset when loading a game 11:43:22 <frosch123> so something from the old save survives the loading and does not match the new game 11:43:32 <Taede> old save would be a randomly-generated map 11:43:43 <frosch123> but likely with vehicles and stuff? 11:43:53 <Taede> no, bare map 11:43:58 <frosch123> hmm 11:44:03 <Taede> just towns and industries 11:44:07 <Taede> no companies 11:44:39 <andythenorth> o/ 11:45:16 <Taede> just start it with -D and it should generate a random map, then use rcon to load one of the savegames 11:47:26 <planetmaker> frosch123, you are free to join #openttdcoop.dev to test that :-) 11:47:41 <planetmaker> hello also :-) 11:47:42 <Taede> actually, .dev works fine now as we sorted the newgrfs 11:47:53 <planetmaker> true. Easy to remove them again :D 11:48:01 <Taede> yup 11:48:58 <Taede> i think the trick is that the newer savegames do have vehicles, and cargodist. when it fails to load, it doesnt unload everything correctly and it cant generate a new random map 11:49:06 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:05:08 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:14 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-186-141-34.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 12:17:43 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-186-141-34.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:36 *** sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB31E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:46 *** |sturmi| [~Sturmi@pD9EB0F89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:07 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 12:39:59 <frosch123> some of the more rarely used windows in ottd are really wtf :) 12:40:46 <andythenorth> :) 12:40:58 <andythenorth> personally, I'd vote the vehicle colour gui as wtf 12:41:10 <frosch123> i am currently at custom currency 12:41:11 <andythenorth> "oh my, I have to both check the box AND set the colour in a drop down" 12:41:15 <frosch123> why are there blue buttons :p 12:41:19 <planetmaker> :-) 12:41:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25915 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2013-10-27 11:51:14 UTC) 12:41:21 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Unrestricted flow was counted incorrectly when invalidating flow. 12:41:27 <planetmaker> consistent GUI ftw :D 12:42:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:58 <andythenorth> consistency is over-rated 12:45:01 <frosch123> well, there are two levels of consistencies :) 12:45:15 <frosch123> one is about having ok/cancel buttons in all windows in the same order 12:45:28 <frosch123> one is about opening a window and not knowing how to use it :) 12:46:04 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-186-141-34.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 12:46:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 12:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i'm seriously puzzled by "[no] [yes]" windws every time :P 12:53:13 <andythenorth> Cancel | Do Thing 12:53:24 <andythenorth> always a winner 12:53:31 <andythenorth> except when you need something different 12:55:05 <alluke> why cant scenario editor accept .sav files 12:55:16 <alluke> continupus renaming gets annoying 12:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause> because nobody made it happen 12:55:34 <Eddi|zuHause> just change the filter in the load window 12:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> 10LOC 12:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly apply different colours 12:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> another 10LOC 12:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> expect your patch in 2 hours :) 12:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (i won't be here then, anyway) 12:57:48 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has joined #openttd 13:10:39 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Todo_BigGUI <- Eddi|zuHause: i also have a new list of thing to do :p 13:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i did swear to never touch GUI code ever again :p 13:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody seen my cell phone? 13:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i had it in my hand yesterday thinking "put this somewhere you remember" 13:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and that's always when i will never find them again :p 13:15:53 *** Extrems2 [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:03 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 13:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> oh it somehow fell under between bed and matrace... i wonder how that worked 13:54:23 <zydeco> mattress* 13:55:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A9D7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:10:37 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:00 *** juanjo [~oftc-webi@46.222.21.224] has joined #openttd 14:21:22 <juanjo> hi 14:25:04 *** kero [~keikoz@202.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:38 <kero> hi 14:28:24 *** juanjo [~oftc-webi@46.222.21.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:28 *** juanjo [~oftc-webi@46.222.21.224] has joined #openttd 14:36:50 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-186-141-34.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:53 <andythenorth> @seen danmack 14:36:53 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 22 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all 14:40:08 *** juanjo [~oftc-webi@46.222.21.224] has quit [] 14:41:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:42:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 14:57:40 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:54 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:58:27 *** MrShell [~mrshell@HSI-KBW-5-56-195-183.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 14:59:22 *** MrShell [~mrshell@HSI-KBW-5-56-195-183.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 15:10:43 *** Jomann [~abchirk@e179141028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:13 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 15:17:51 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@e179070236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:48 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:21 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has joined #openttd 15:41:56 *** kero [~keikoz@202.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 15:52:27 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-186-141-34.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(frosch, planetmaker, V453000) 16:07:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:21:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.155.246] has joined #openttd 16:43:04 *** tigeroo [~tigeroo@pool-108-12-34-223.syrcny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:18 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:58 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:01 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 16:57:02 <sla_ro|master> i 16:57:05 <sla_ro|master> hi 16:58:00 <planetmaker> hello 16:58:07 <kero> Mmh I'm maybee wrong, but wasn't it possible to zoom the mini-map more some time ago ? 17:00:05 <planetmaker> I'm quite sure not :-) 17:00:56 <kero> mmh ok ... Probably an old memory of an old state of the cargodist patch 17:00:56 *** sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB063B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:41 <Supercheese> You can zoom it out 17:01:45 <kero> It would be nice to be able to have a greater zoom. 17:01:48 <Supercheese> I take it you mean zoom in 17:01:54 <kero> I confirm. 17:03:16 <kero> I'm telling that because some industries (little industries) are really hard to find on the mini-map. Sometimes impossible to see. 17:04:13 <Supercheese> Yeah, 2-tile town industries are difficult 17:04:30 <Supercheese> Even with the very helpful 'hover over name and flash on map' 17:06:44 *** |sturmi| [~Sturmi@pD9EB00FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:27 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:28 <planetmaker> kero, select the industry view on the minimap. And select the type you're interested in 17:16:33 <planetmaker> The blinking should be rather obvious 17:17:07 <kero> With some industries, even with the blinking you don't them at all 17:17:07 <Supercheese> Key word being "should", as it isn't always 17:17:15 <kero> + see 17:18:43 *** |sturmi| [~Sturmi@pD9EB063B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:58 <kero> mmh didn't thought about that before, but de-activating town names makes it easier to find them 17:21:13 *** sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB063B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:46 *** sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB3944.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:45 <Alberth> yep, I disable town names always directly, it's not interesting enough :) 17:26:46 *** |sturmi| [~Sturmi@pD9EB063B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:54 *** tst1488 [~id@37.140.101.204] has quit [] 17:29:20 <Supercheese> same 17:33:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:52:12 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 18:02:29 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:51 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:19 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:41 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:14 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25917 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2013-10-27 17:45:08 UTC) 18:35:15 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:35:16 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:40:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:53:26 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:58:31 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:05 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:09:04 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 19:35:26 <Supercheese> Would it be a good idea to post my WIP Latin translation on the forums? Are there enough folks who know Latin to help proofread? 19:37:56 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has joined #openttd 19:38:09 <planetmaker> only one way to find out :-) 19:38:23 <Supercheese> Valid 19:38:27 <planetmaker> worst what could happen is that a bunch of people call you 'nut head' or so :-) 19:39:20 * Rubidium knows he's bad enough in Latin not to try proofreading it 19:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i know practically nothing of latin 19:51:21 <Supercheese> I'm very glad for the Latin translation of Wesnoth, it is a wealth of relevant computer game terminology 19:52:28 <Rubidium> maybe ask in their (=wesnoth-la) IRC channel 19:52:51 <Supercheese> Indeed, I had considered that 19:53:23 <Supercheese> Of course, someone familiar with OTTD would be best suited to the task 19:54:46 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:14 <planetmaker> I would actually expect at least one to four people make some reasonable comments :-) 19:55:40 <planetmaker> reviewing a lot of 4k strings is a lot though :-) 19:55:44 <Supercheese> Man, as if OTTD didn't have enough strings, Wesnoth has â 62766 strings 19:56:02 <planetmaker> hoho :-) 19:56:20 <planetmaker> But they have stories to tell. So, yes :-) 19:56:23 <Supercheese> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?version=branch&package=&lang=la 19:57:58 <Rubidium> too bad roman numeral are kinda unusable in OpenTTD 19:58:43 <Supercheese> Roman numerals are bleh for anything other than about 1-20 19:59:01 <Supercheese> I have no problems with using arabic numerals everywhere 20:00:24 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:25 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3C49.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:03:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure even the romans would have switched to arabic numbers somewhen in the last 2000 years 20:11:01 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:11:07 <Supercheese> I learned more about the history of various world currencies when translating them to Latin than I ever have before 20:12:15 <Supercheese> Apparently more than half of all European currencies were some variant of "crown" (corona) 20:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> when were the arabic numberals widely introduced to europe? 16th century? 20:12:57 <Supercheese> krone, krona, koruna, krooni, etc. 20:13:09 <planetmaker> or from 'gold' 20:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, a lot of the german currencies 20:13:41 <peter1138> bum bum bum, satellite of love 20:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the more weird currency names is "Taler" (from german "Tal" = "valley") 20:14:15 <frosch123> sounds like blÃŒmchen, but i hope that was never translated to english 20:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> ("Dollar" is derived from that) 20:14:53 <planetmaker> I doubt that "Taler" comes from "Tal" 20:15:03 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: heller, taler, mark, kreutzer, schilling, more? 20:15:08 <Supercheese> Yep, I translated "Slovenian Tolar" as "Dollarium Slovenicum" 20:15:08 <planetmaker> rather from zahlen 20:15:21 <planetmaker> betalen 20:15:22 <frosch123> there is also "talent" 20:15:25 <Supercheese> cf. US Dollar = "Dollarium CFA" 20:16:20 <kero> Little question: why the FIRS industries' boxes show a string "Cargo waiting to be processed", as they actually process immediately (all) cargo ? 20:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: well, very likely that some "etymologies" are actually "back-interpretations" 20:16:52 <frosch123> kero: because ottd has no feature to suppress that string 20:17:04 <frosch123> it is displayed for all custom production mechanics 20:17:40 <kero> oh, that's the thing. thx 20:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> because when TTDPatch introduced the production callback, it assumed that everyone who used that would use the stockpile mechanism 20:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and openttd just ported over the behaviour 20:19:09 <kero> Je vois. 20:19:53 <andythenorth> that industry window is on the list of 'things I ought to learn how to patch' 20:20:08 <andythenorth> although my motivation to try and patch stuff is pretty much nil, due to the spec arguments :P 20:21:34 <kero> I was wondering if maybee only *some* industries in *some* particular context are stockpiling 20:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> just amend the spec by a flag "no stockpiles with production callback" 20:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> which makes the callback called immediately on input cargo, and suppresses that display 20:22:49 <Rubidium> must say Latin wikipedia pages about recent stuff are easier to have their meaning guessed than old Latin texts ;) 20:23:34 * kero discovers that there actually is a latin version of wiki 20:24:19 <frosch123> in school we used latin publications of the eu commission 20:24:36 <kero> Rubidium : that's probably because sentences construction is closer to modern ones 20:24:39 <frosch123> you could cheat by reading news in advance to latin class 20:24:53 <kero> it's like medieval latin: easier to read as Livius or Sallustius 20:25:04 <Rubidium> kero: more because many newer words need to be constructed 20:25:10 <kero> also 20:25:35 <Rubidium> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrete <- how long does it take before you know what that means? 20:25:50 <kero> nice :) 20:27:18 <kero> some traductions are ... problematics 20:27:24 <Supercheese> "Quod non est in interreti non est in mundo." 20:27:28 <kero> Civitates foederatae americae 20:27:31 <Supercheese> Heh 20:27:40 <kero> I would more say Res publicae foederatae 20:28:30 <Supercheese> "Id inveni in interreti, profecto verum est!" 20:32:33 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so add another definition to industry prop 1A, presumably on bit 18? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Industries#Special_industry_flags_to_define_special_behavior_.281A.29 20:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds reasonable 20:35:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:54 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the flag would make sure that "legacy" industry sets won't change behaviour, and new grfs can make a conscious decision 20:40:36 <frosch123> there is already a production callback which is called immediately btw :) 20:40:43 <andythenorth> I'm looking for the code now 20:40:49 <andythenorth> slowly :P 20:41:00 <andythenorth> one day I'll cave and get an IDE 20:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i really wouldn't know 20:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: maybe that is the solution for andy's problem? 20:41:34 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Frosch/New_Results#CB_37:_Industry_window_acceptance.2Fcargo_text <- you can also implement that :p 20:42:05 <frosch123> both won't help ais 20:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> CB18 for industries? 20:43:26 <andythenorth> frosch123: your spec on cb37 looks good 20:43:32 <andythenorth> dunno if I can implement it :P 20:43:58 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: isn't cb18 a curseword? 20:44:04 <andythenorth> conditionally displaying text depending on a single bit - I can probably manage :P 20:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly 20:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it's working fine for stations, it's just for trains the specs are useless 21:08:28 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 21:10:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:14:20 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-191-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:27 <andythenorth> @seen kyosuke 21:14:27 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen kyosuke. 21:14:47 <andythenorth> @seen kyosuke1989 21:14:48 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen kyosuke1989. 21:17:21 *** Tanguy [~tanguy@2a01:e34:ee8f:150:82ee:73ff:fe43:b876] has left #openttd [] 21:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> @seen kyo* 21:19:55 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: I haven't seen anyone matching kyo*. 21:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> @seen * 21:20:25 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: * could be <last> (29 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause (29 seconds ago), andythenorth (5 minutes and 37 seconds ago), frosch123 (36 minutes and 26 seconds ago), Supercheese (51 minutes and 55 seconds ago), kero (52 minutes and 45 seconds ago), Rubidium (54 minutes and 49 seconds ago), planetmaker (1 hour, 5 minutes, and 3 seconds ago), peter1138 (1 hour, 6 minutes, and 44 seconds ago), Alberth (3 (50 more messages) 21:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> if i use "@more", there could be some awesome higlight list :=) 21:21:26 <andythenorth> :P 21:21:42 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:09 <planetmaker> yeah right :D 21:23:55 * Supercheese was already pinged 21:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but this "<last>" thing is intriguing 21:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @seen <last> 21:24:45 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: <last> was last seen in #openttd 5 seconds ago: <Eddi|zuHause> but this "<last>" thing is intriguing 21:24:53 <Supercheese> haha 21:25:29 <Eddi|zuHause> @whois <last> 21:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that apparently doesn't exist 21:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> @whoami 21:25:59 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: I don't recognize you. 21:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't think so :) 21:27:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 21:28:07 <Supercheese> Well. 21:28:40 <Supercheese> @whoareyou 21:28:42 <Supercheese> awww 21:29:02 <DorpsGek> supercheese: i am dorpsgek, you should know that 21:29:11 <Supercheese> Delayed response 21:29:36 <DorpsGek> do you think i am watching irc all day, just in case someone highlights me? 21:29:49 <Supercheese> Trolling by proxy, eh? 21:31:18 <Taede> its a hobby common among bot-owners 21:31:26 <Supercheese> I would imagine 21:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a bot, it's a tiny chinese person living in a box in holland 21:32:28 <DorpsGek> i live in france 21:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all greek to me :p 21:32:59 <Supercheese> Hah, awesome argument: "I can't add a NewGRF to an already existing savegame so I [wrote a patch to do it instead]." 21:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i couldn't get myself to respond... 21:33:28 <Supercheese> "(and it's fun to do too)" 21:34:23 * Supercheese should update his grf to use the new objects-at-mapgen feature 21:35:04 <Supercheese> although perhaps I should add more objects first... 21:36:30 <planetmaker> hehe, I know that thought, Supercheese ;-) 21:36:58 <frosch123> you need at least one 21:37:04 *** DanMacK [~d83bfad9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:37:49 <planetmaker> one what? 21:38:01 <frosch123> one object 21:38:23 <frosch123> without any object you will have a hard time to use the mapgen feature 21:38:26 <planetmaker> well... :-) you can't disable default objects 21:38:58 <planetmaker> so it kinda works already without newgrf objects 21:39:16 <planetmaker> though... that's not new ;-) 21:39:55 <frosch123> oh, i am sure someone will complani that the lighthouse count is no longer randomised :p 21:40:16 <frosch123> and asks for a switch to enable the old behaviour 21:41:11 <planetmaker> that's a bit hard to notice 21:41:18 <planetmaker> but yeah, feasible :-) 21:42:15 <planetmaker> could be solved by another property: count_random_range or so :-) 21:43:15 *** DanMacK [~d83bfad9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:43:36 <frosch123> it's amazing what differences people notice 21:43:44 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can ask for danmack now 21:43:56 <andythenorth> him gone :| 21:44:02 <andythenorth> nvm we had pm :) 21:51:31 *** |sturmi| [~Sturmi@pD9EB3676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:52:08 <Supercheese> Man, are capitalization inconsistencies worthy of reporting? I keep finding them as I'm translating... 21:52:17 <Supercheese> I've reported 2, IIRC 21:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> sure 21:53:08 <frosch123> they are more interesting than ln's ship speed 21:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't, nobody does 21:53:33 <Supercheese> I think the list will keep growing, I'll just submit one complete report when I've gone through everything 21:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as you actually write them down when you see them :) 21:54:10 <Supercheese> indeed 21:56:22 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:19 *** sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB3944.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:29 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.159] has joined #openttd 22:03:21 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:03:40 <Supercheese> I'm always amazed how Google translate can be at times so accurate and other times so hilariously wrong 22:04:02 <Supercheese> when both things to be translated appear to be of equal difficulty 22:04:50 <Rubidium> probably because it already translated one of them and a human corrected it 22:05:14 <Supercheese> True enough, I've been correcting things as I go along 22:13:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A710.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:13:22 <Supercheese> Someone seems to have mistranslated almost the entirety of Lorem Ipsum, though 22:13:45 <Supercheese> Or rather, bothered translating it at all 22:15:22 <planetmaker> who would be that insane? 22:16:10 <Supercheese> A good question, but various bits of it keep popping up when going English -> Latin, it's unmistakably lorem ipsum 22:16:26 <planetmaker> :-) 22:17:42 <peter1138> But I must explain to you hjow all this mistaken idea of denouncing pleasure and praising pain was born... 22:18:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A9D7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:25 <peter1138> So... what? 22:20:02 <andythenorth> nowt 22:20:08 <Supercheese> Dolorem, non lorem 22:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> delorean? 22:21:43 * andythenorth is remarkably retarded at maths 22:21:52 <andythenorth> I just had to count 15 on my fingers to be sure that 15 is actually 15 22:21:59 <Supercheese> hehe, "maths" 22:22:05 <andythenorth> 'counting' 22:22:27 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 22:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it's actually fun to see what different kinds of people *think* that maths is :p 22:22:38 <andythenorth> was worried I had an obiwan :P 22:22:40 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 22:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> typical conversation: "you studied maths, can you calculate this?" ... "no, i can't calculate this, because i studied maths" 22:23:55 <andythenorth> but can you count? :P 22:24:06 <planetmaker> nah, the set is dense 22:24:08 <frosch123> there are 3 types of mathematicans 22:24:12 <frosch123> those who cannot count 22:24:17 <frosch123> and those who cannot calculate 22:24:34 <planetmaker> it's more fun, if you write it as 10 22:24:39 <andythenorth> poll: to count aloud to 15, how many numbers do you say? 22:24:44 <andythenorth> (integers only) 22:24:50 <frosch123> thats a cs joke then, not a math one :p 22:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause> 10 is for computer scientists :) 22:24:55 <planetmaker> :-) 22:25:08 <Rubidium> andythenorth: starting at 1 or 0? 22:25:12 <frosch123> usually cs and math jokes are distinct 22:25:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: any number larger than 4 is something that mathematicians don't touch 22:25:23 <andythenorth> Rubidium: and that is the problem :P 22:25:27 <frosch123> though there are some jokes which work for both math and physics 22:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> there's computers for that stuff 22:25:37 <andythenorth> if we conventionally started counting at 0, life would be easier 22:25:54 <peter1138> We do. 22:26:04 <peter1138> You just don't need to say it... 22:26:05 <andythenorth> who's we? 22:26:08 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: at least you use a computer, not a cellphone :p 22:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause> physicist: 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is a measurement error, 11 is prime, 13 is prime -> all odd numbers are prime 22:26:27 <peter1138> Is there a difference these days? 22:26:55 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I would've said 21 numbers (when starting at 0) 22:27:11 <Rubidium> andythenorth: in Dutch 22:27:31 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: related: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/14069/lowest-multiple-of-n-that-is-also-a-power-of-2 22:28:04 <planetmaker> there's also several distinct ways to fence-in a lion ;-) 22:28:22 <Rubidium> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2751/ 22:28:42 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: did you know, the double value of an even prime is always a square number 22:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i did know that 22:29:18 <Rubidium> frosch123: and the square root is always a prime, right? 22:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you mean the one where lions live in the desert instead of the savannah? 22:29:32 <frosch123> really? wow 22:29:38 <Rubidium> the square root of that double prime that is 22:30:12 <planetmaker> desert, savannah. whatever. But yeah 22:30:39 <frosch123> well, my favorite one is still the discussion between a lawyer, a priest and a physicist about the advantages of having a wife or a girlfriend 22:30:49 <planetmaker> hehe 22:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i mean, there's loads of things you can postulate when talking about the empty set :p 22:31:06 <frosch123> is my assumption correct, that everyone knows it? :p 22:31:46 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:31:49 <Rubidium> frosch123: nope 22:32:03 <Supercheese> There are infinite, "Lawyer, priest, and ____" jokes 22:32:33 <frosch123> ok, lawyer: i have seen so many divorces, always go for the girlfriend. you can safe a lot of trouble 22:32:45 <frosch123> priest: go got the wife, it's the only honest way 22:33:31 <frosch123> physicist: ideally have both, one wife and one girlfriend. then the wife thinks you are with the girlfriend, and the girlfriend thinks you are with the wife. and you can be at the lab all day without being bothered 22:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> a sociologist, a physicist and a mathematician go to a foreign country 22:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the sociologist sees two black sheep and shouts out: in this country all sheep are black 22:34:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the physicist says: no, you can't deduce that, you can only say "there are at least two black sheep in this country" 22:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the mathematician says: no, you can't deduce that either, you can only say "there are at least two sheep that are black on at least one side" 22:47:07 <MNIM> Eddi|zuHause: the philosopher will say: Well, how do you really know these sheep are really black? 22:47:33 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:47:36 <MNIM> And the UN representative will say: These sheep must feel terribly discriminated. 22:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> in all likelyhood they would be female sheep 22:49:50 <MNIM> The feminist will of course say they are being oppressed by the patriarchist farmer 22:53:19 <frosch123> and the sheep will say: if this disguise works, the farmer won't recognise us, and we can escape 22:54:15 <andythenorth> how silly 22:54:19 <andythenorth> sheep say 'baa' 22:54:28 <andythenorth> this joke is inaccurate 22:55:00 <frosch123> oh, they say, "baa, trying to reach the kitchen through the chimney was a terrible idea" 22:55:24 <MNIM> Pfeh. they should've learned from santa clause 22:56:02 <frosch123> apparently santa is a racist or so 22:56:11 <frosch123> or the dutch one at least 22:57:14 <Rubidium> yeah... someone pretending to be from the UN isn't really liked because of her comments 22:58:05 <MNIM> frosch123: yeah, that's where the UN representative joke was stabbing at :P 22:58:53 <Supercheese> Here we go again: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#en/la/customised 22:59:13 <Rubidium> but if sinterklaas is considered racist, then santa claus is racist as well because of using dwarfs 22:59:28 <MNIM> Supercheese: inaccurate much? 22:59:43 <Supercheese> Indeed, I was just discussing this 22:59:54 <frosch123> Rubidium: dwarfs? not pixies? 22:59:54 <MNIM> Rubidium: not to mention an animal abuser! 23:00:03 <MNIM> frosch123: ehhh, the jury 23:00:10 <MNIM> 's still out on which 23:00:14 <MNIM> damn enter keeyyyyy 23:01:03 <MNIM> Supercheese: also, fun thing: when translating 'lorem' from latin to latin you get 'lorem ipsum' 23:01:35 <Supercheese> And then this happens: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#la/en/lorem 23:01:44 <MNIM> yeah 23:02:11 <MNIM> also, apparently 'amet gaudia' means 'residential joys' 23:02:41 * MNIM distrusts google translate now. 23:03:22 <Rubidium> MNIM: why is the jury still out? The UN "representative" already formed an opinion and the research hasn't finished yet (heard even stories the research hasn't started yet); that person making the statement is part of that UN invesigation. 23:04:32 <andythenorth> ach I should go to bed :P 23:04:39 <Rubidium> night andy 23:05:08 <Rubidium> hope you aren't blown away by the events of tomorrow ;) 23:07:50 <MNIM> Rubidium: the jury isn't out yet about whether they are dwarves or pixies, sorry for the confusion 23:08:27 <MNIM> but yeah, she spoke before her turn, that's for sure 23:09:42 <andythenorth> bye 23:09:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 23:10:07 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3C49.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf are you talking about? 23:14:21 <MNIM> Eddi|zuHause: well, basically, this one UN person got stupid and blabbered that sinterklaas (basically the dutch (original!) version of santa clause) was racist 23:14:29 <MNIM> cue a big outrage 23:14:52 <Eddi|zuHause> when was that? 23:15:51 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/niederlaender-demonstrieren-fuer-schwarze-nikolaushelfer-a-930246.html <- from today 23:16:06 <MNIM> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/10393916/Dutch-Black-Pete-Christmas-custom-may-be-racist-warns-UN.html 23:16:09 <MNIM> oh 23:16:10 <MNIM> heh 23:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kRAKXFrYQ4 23:16:55 <__ln__> should it be african american pete? 23:16:58 <MNIM> Pretty much 23:17:09 <MNIM> moses /owned/ santa 23:17:34 <frosch123> anyway, about every fairy story is violent and discriminating 23:17:49 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:17:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:19:29 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:22 <__ln__> is it racist that someone is black? 23:21:28 <MNIM> Yeah well, basically black peter is supposedly a throwback to slavery. :d 23:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> do kids still play "who's afraid of the black man?" today? :p 23:23:12 <frosch123> it's alternated with "who's afraid of the white woman" 23:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.spielewiki.org/wiki/Wer_hat_Angst_vorm_Schwarzen_Mann 23:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently "white shark" :) 23:24:03 <MNIM> hahaha 23:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "FÀnger: Wenn er aber kommt? Rest: Dann laufen wir davon!" <-- i don't remember ever hearing these two lines 23:26:07 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Peter <- there is no alternate name for that 23:26:29 <__ln__> :D the finnish wikipedia claims that the black man is nowadays often replaced with iceman or "green man". or because talking about "man" is sexual discrimination, sometimes "who's afraid of the ice person / green person" 23:27:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:29:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AEE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:29:41 <MNIM> frosch123: actually... 23:29:41 <MNIM> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet 23:29:57 <MNIM> They leave it untranslated, apparently 23:30:46 <frosch123> yeah, because the translation would be something different :p 23:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but why would a person from turkey not have black people in his employ? 23:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> MNIM: the translation is in the first line 23:32:10 <MNIM> In meant as main page name. :P 23:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, then it would be the page frosch123 linked 23:33:01 <frosch123> hmm, actually, the page says that it's the same in dutch 23:33:05 <frosch123> the game and the guy 23:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123's page focuses on the game 23:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause> where your page focuses on the santa clause thing 23:33:55 <__ln__> santa is always white, and a man, btw. 23:34:16 <MNIM> It's silly, really 23:34:24 <frosch123> __ln__: nah, he has so much white beard that you cannot tell the face colour 23:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well it _WAS_ weird when i saw a "Weihnachtsfrau" the first time 23:34:40 <frosch123> and the hands are in gloves 23:34:58 <MNIM> there's black dudes who paint themselves white to play sinterklaas, while white people paint themselves to play pete 23:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but it could be like in lord of the rings: "there are dwarf women, but the humans can't distinguish them because they also have beards" 23:35:31 <MNIM> Oh, by the way, the UN better not touch the pepernoten. 23:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> well there's always Spekulatius :) 23:35:56 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: usually i see "weihnachtsfrau" costumes, when passing the beate uhse shop 23:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: no, not that kind :) 23:36:29 <MNIM> because if they touch the pepernoten it means WAR 23:36:34 <MNIM> >:/ 23:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmQDt7jVdXQ 23:37:16 <MNIM> >.< 23:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i saw the first women dressed as santa in kindergarten when i was about 5 years old 23:38:55 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: what have santa, the easer bunny and the stork in common? 23:39:34 <MNIM> They do inappropriate things with your mom? 23:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: what's the difference between the yeti and a good 3rd clarinetist? 23:39:55 <frosch123> MNIM: yeah, about that 23:40:04 <MNIM> Eddi|zuHause: the Yeti makes itself invisible? 23:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the yeti was actually spotted :) 23:40:09 <MNIM> Oh, close :P 23:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what is the difference between a clarinet and a mouse? 23:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't hear the mouse squeaking through the whole orchestra 23:45:31 <frosch123> you were the tuba guy, right? 23:46:35 <Eddi|zuHause> how'd you guess? :p 23:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5CBogDuYU <-- i never realized there was a dalek 23:55:31 <frosch123> night 23:55:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc080.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:58:18 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-83.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd