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00:07:45 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:08:20 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:50 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 00:20:44 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:46 *** slee [~slee@173-26-167-191.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 00:23:13 <slee> ok, this isn't much help...on the openttd wiki page: "Tips for Town Growth" - ...or increase acceptance of cargos such as Goods.....how does one 'increase acceptance'? i have a train/goods train running through there, but the station won't accept goods, only passengers/mail 00:24:33 <slee> i have my headquarters there, brought population up from 300 to 700, ran large ad campaign, funding buildings..everything i can see to do, just can't get them to accept goods 00:38:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:26 *** Virtual [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:12:45 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 01:13:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:13:44 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:41 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.156.184.231] has joined #openttd 01:17:11 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.156.184.231] has quit [] 01:22:11 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:07 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 01:50:43 <Elyon> slee: 700 is still a small town 01:51:06 <slee> it finally started accepting, thanks 01:51:15 <Elyon> slee: you can query the house tiles to see their acceptance of goods using the question mark icon in the top right hand corner of the menu 01:51:18 <slee> it's at about 2500 now 01:51:20 <Elyon> oh okay :) 01:51:29 <Elyon> well, it also depends on where you place your station 01:51:35 <slee> right 01:51:51 <Elyon> basically, you will see numbers like "Acceptance of goods (3/8)" when querying a specific house type 01:52:16 <Elyon> you need to cover enough of those kinds of houses to reach at least 8/8 goods acceptance with your station coverage 01:52:29 <slee> i thought i had industried 'won't disappear' in settings..but i JUST setup a new station next to a forest, first train entered, filled up to about 20%...forest vanished 01:53:29 <Elyon> you can "cheat" and keep ctrl held while building stations or lorry stops to join them together. Building a lorry stop in the middle of a town and connecting it this way to your (possibly further away) train station is a good way to get goods acceptance even from smaller towns 01:53:45 <Elyon> and I don't think there is such a setting as 'industries won't disappear', but let me check :) 01:54:20 <Elyon> I think what you set was "News and Messages" for closing of industries, maybe? 01:54:33 <Elyon> that only changes whether you're notified of their closure, not whether they actually close 01:54:58 <slee> oh 01:55:41 <Elyon> sorry about the delay in answering, by the way :) 01:55:52 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 01:56:04 <Elyon> I think most people in here are GMT +/-2 01:56:23 <slee> np 01:56:36 <slee> i'm -5 01:56:43 <Elyon> east coast? 01:56:50 <Elyon> or brazil or something? 01:58:18 <Supercheese> GMT -8, representin' 01:58:39 <Elyon> good evening :) 01:58:43 <slee> alabama(us) 01:58:54 <Hazzard> :| 01:58:55 <Elyon> alabama is -5? huh ... 01:58:56 <Supercheese> Idaho 01:59:04 <Elyon> oh, of course 01:59:09 <Elyon> -6 from me :p 01:59:26 <Supercheese> right on the eastern edge of -8, really 01:59:38 <Supercheese> you can drive straight south and hit GMT -7 :P 01:59:46 <Elyon> hehe 01:59:55 <Supercheese> timezones :| 01:59:55 <Elyon> weird, that 02:00:01 <Elyon> timezones \o/ 02:00:10 <Elyon> well, /o\ 02:00:21 <Elyon> that's why we have GMT 02:00:28 <Elyon> or UTC 02:00:35 <Supercheese> and DST 02:00:35 <Elyon> double standards! 02:00:48 <Elyon> DST sucks in the long run 02:00:52 <Supercheese> yeah 02:00:52 <Elyon> it's trying to fix a broken system 02:00:59 <Supercheese> I blame Franklin 02:01:02 <Supercheese> think it was him 02:01:07 <Elyon> either way you blame him 02:01:09 <Elyon> I like it 02:01:19 <Supercheese> crazy old Ben 02:02:12 <Elyon> we should all just agree to use UTC, but we have! In computers 02:03:19 <Elyon> comp-utahs 02:03:58 <Supercheese> 'puters 02:18:21 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.214.3.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:14 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.3.116] has joined #openttd 02:22:08 *** mek42 [~chatzilla@cpe-74-79-52-81.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:23:40 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.3.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:45 <slee> sorry, had to step away, - 6 hours here in bamaland(not -5) 02:33:29 <slee> hmm..i'm still confused as to how a forest vanished while i was loading from it, i thought forest was an industry that never vanishes seeing that it's replanted 02:41:56 <Elyon> no, every industry might close with poor service through some time 02:42:34 <Elyon> you can always enable construction while paused, build your connections, and then not waste potential closing-time construction the connection 02:42:39 <Elyon> if you're into that :) 02:44:56 *** zeknurn 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#openttd 12:12:21 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:34 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:06 <Andreas> Is the "Disable infrastructure building when no suitable vehicles are available" function broken or am I not understanding the effect it should have correctly? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=69924 12:15:27 <Andreas> or bettter said: It seems like it can't be turned off 12:15:58 *** welshdragoon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:35 <peter1138> doesn't affect railtypes 12:16:57 <peter1138> but does affect road/depots/rail/stations/docks/airports 12:18:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:18:18 <Andreas> ah I see 12:19:51 <Andreas> I was being misled by the word 'infrastructure there then I guess... 12:22:04 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:56 <Andreas> does not make much sense to build railtypes with no available vehicles anyway I guess... 12:24:49 <peter1138> basically the railtype check was always there 12:25:03 <peter1138> the infrastructure check is a later thing and doesn't affect the railtype check 12:29:58 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip199c143.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:49 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:01 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:22 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 12:33:08 *** welshdragoon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:26 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:16:08 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 13:19:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:48 <__ln__> planetmaker: apparently also the spanish spelling 13:20:59 *** Andreas [~Andreas@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:12 <Pikka> there's no Sukhoi Superjet in av8, no. 13:33:20 <Tuhin> Pikka, then it should be updated to add new aircrafts .. dreaminer is there? 13:33:35 <Tuhin> 777 dreamliner 13:33:50 <Pikka> I'm not updating av8 any more 13:33:58 <Tuhin> i didn't get time to play long enough to discover new plances 13:34:09 <Tuhin> planes* 13:34:14 <Tuhin> why Pikka? 13:34:30 <Pikka> because I'm working on new things :) 13:34:43 <Tuhin> take your time and add more stuff at a later date :) 13:35:01 <Tuhin> just keep a "to add/to do ist" 13:35:05 <Tuhin> list* 13:35:12 <Tuhin> which new things? 13:35:23 <Pikka> av8's pretty done, I think. Next, I'll make av9. ;) 13:35:30 <Pikka> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php/Av8 has the complete list of what's in av8, btw 13:35:35 <Tuhin> btw i really like the FAST planes in av8 13:42:11 <Tuhin> nice train gfx u r working on Pikka 13:42:38 <Tuhin> why chinese bots downloads stuff automatically? its new news to me... 13:43:01 <Pikka> I don't know. Just bots or spammers scraping websites. 13:44:05 <Pikka> I'd come up with a more elegant solution if I cared about Trainz, but I don't. :) 13:53:18 *** Randominty [~Randomint@124.168.211.251] has quit [] 13:53:22 *** Andreas [~Andreas@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 14:02:35 *** Pecio [~fgh@abxx84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 14:03:58 <andythenorth> mm AV9 14:04:01 <andythenorth> the smaller edition 14:05:29 <Tuhin> smaller edition? 14:06:43 <andythenorth> slimline, bijou, reduced fat, lean 14:06:59 * andythenorth bbl 14:07:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:07:29 <Tuhin> Pikka, is there such a slim release? 14:07:42 <Pikka> not yet 14:17:17 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has joined #openttd 14:19:24 *** Morgan_Freeman [~not_avail@99-194-190-173.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:07 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has joined #openttd 14:23:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AD54.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:24:42 *** gogoprog [~gogoprog@91.183.39.171] has joined #openttd 14:24:46 <gogoprog> hi 14:25:07 <gogoprog> I just played openttd 1.3.3 14:25:19 <gogoprog> and I had trouble with road car auto repair 14:25:37 <gogoprog> is there a bug or am I using it wrong? 14:26:31 <planetmaker> the problem description is *slightly* too vague to even attempt to answer that question in a qualified way :) 14:26:31 <gogoprog> it was saying "autorepair failed due to money limit" all the time but I had money 14:26:43 <planetmaker> oh, that's normal. Check the money limit 14:27:04 <planetmaker> it's not >0 but >500k or something you set in adv. settings 14:29:22 <gogoprog> thank you! 14:29:49 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.3.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:21 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 14:47:26 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-217-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:09:21 <slee> hmm..looking at the train/manager/replace window for the first time, it appears that the 'replace' function is to only replace an exisitng train with another model, do you not have the ability to replace the train with the same type engine? 15:10:02 <slee> ...i know you can manually send a train to a depot and replace it, but is there an 'auto' ability? 15:12:03 <Aristide> So 15:12:12 <Aristide> For go to bellecour, I can take busline 37 (16:15), 69 (16:18), C26 (16:23), 37 (16:28), C26 (16:33) :D 15:12:29 <Aristide> Good bye =) 15:12:45 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:11 <Pikka> slee, there's "autorenew", which will automatically replace it with the same type when it gets old 15:13:35 <slee> thanks, i just found the article on it 15:23:11 <slee> pikka, does the setting have to be set before you start a game? i existed my game, went into settings and enabled auto renew..went back into saved game and sent all trains to depot for maintainance, but it doesn't seem to have renewed my trains 15:23:40 <Pikka> set it while the game is running 15:26:58 <Pikka> it's a per-save setting and can differ between games, setting it on the main menu will set it for future games but won't affect existing saves 15:29:21 <Japa_> planetmaker, you around, and preferably bored? 15:34:28 <slee> pikka, i found my problem, i forgot i had trains set to not breakdown(while learning the game) 16:05:16 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:32 *** slee [~slee@173-26-167-191.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:35 <Pikka> I'm wrong about it being a savegame setting too, aren't I? It's a per-player setting... 16:20:58 <Pikka> teva 16:21:28 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 16:22:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AD54.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:28:49 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.156.184.231] has joined #openttd 16:33:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:11 *** gogoprog [~gogoprog@91.183.39.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:34:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:58 <Pikka> hello again andythenorth 16:42:02 <andythenorth> lo 16:43:20 <Pikka> "treacherous Australian terrain" 16:45:00 <Pikka> hmm 16:47:18 <planetmaker> Japa_, I'm hardly ever bored and prefer highlights which don't consist of meta-questions 16:49:47 <Japa_> Sorry 16:50:15 <Japa_> Won't do that again 16:51:00 <planetmaker> so what was your real question? 16:52:01 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.20.67.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 16:55:47 <Japa_> It was about your patch to NML, but very shortly after highlighting you, I realized that I have a lot of reading to do before I get to a point where I can ask meaninful questions about it. 16:56:28 <planetmaker> my patch to NML? 16:57:06 <Japa_> about the grid stuff 16:57:31 <planetmaker> oh, you mean how to teach NML about a new action5? 16:57:37 <Japa_> yeah 16:58:06 <Japa_> but then I realized I'd need to read more about how NML works before I can do that. maybe also read some python 16:59:05 <planetmaker> the important bit there the first hunk in nml/actions/action5.py 16:59:24 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.156.184.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:27 <planetmaker> it adds one GUI sprite. And it adds the actual grid sprites as action5, type 0x17 16:59:32 <planetmaker> 107 sprites overall 16:59:41 <Japa_> action5_table? 17:00:00 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/nml_grid.diff <-- that one 17:01:42 <planetmaker> not sure what you mean with action5_table 17:01:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AD54.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:17 <Japa_> that's what's being modified 17:03:23 <planetmaker> ah, yes, right :D 17:03:30 <planetmaker> that's basically the only thing needed 17:03:53 <planetmaker> the rest in that patch is rather specific additions for the grid patch 17:04:19 <Japa_> So I'd be adding 'LANDSCAPE_TILE_BORDERS' : (0x18, 300, Action5BlockType.OFFSET), to that, then 17:04:57 <planetmaker> yup 17:05:30 <Japa_> http://pastebin.com/7MSSCpis 17:05:48 <Japa_> this is pretty much how I should be defining the spright numbers, right? 17:07:10 <planetmaker> yeah. If there's a subsequent sprite, that needs adjustment, too 17:07:26 <Japa_> I did that. 17:08:06 <Japa_> So I got the sprites defined, and I got NML to make GRFs for them. Now I just have to make the sprites drawn and I can throw together a GRF to test it with... hopefully. 17:08:09 <planetmaker> wouldn't TILE_TRANSITION not be the better name than TILE_BORDER? 17:08:26 <Japa_> Hm... likely 17:09:32 <planetmaker> https://rhodecode.openttdcoop.org/pota-ghat/files/94ddfeb4718f78b2351c8c06963dc37fe7cc95ef/gfx-source <-- here with the terrain.xcf and terrain_32bpp.xcf you could likely create relatively easily some sprites by adding some proper transparency masks and then exporting the right layers 17:10:53 <Japa_> I'm scared of doing sloped transitions :( 17:11:24 <planetmaker> you don't need to do all. For the patch it suffices to make a demonstration, I think 17:11:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:12:12 <planetmaker> for demonstration most of the 300 sprites could be 100% transparent 17:12:28 <Japa_> It's more that slopes would multiply the sprite reservation by 19 or whatever the number of slope offsets there is 17:13:52 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has joined #openttd 17:13:57 <planetmaker> it's a sprite artist problem :P 17:14:09 <Japa_> true 17:14:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:34 <planetmaker> basically I'll need for each terrain type 4*19 transition sprites, right? 17:15:40 <planetmaker> when I consider all slopes 17:16:52 <planetmaker> well, all but one terrain type :D 17:17:01 <Japa_> there's 32 possible transition sprites for flat ground 17:17:50 <planetmaker> how does that add up? 17:18:34 <Japa_> there's one per each combination of 4 edges, that's 16 sprites 17:18:47 <Japa_> then one per each combination of corners. that's another 16 17:18:51 <planetmaker> oh. make it simpler: draw one sprite for each edge 17:18:55 <Japa_> 2 are empty, though 17:19:00 <planetmaker> maybe? 17:19:01 <Japa_> so it's down to 30 17:19:09 <Japa_> possibly. 17:19:45 <planetmaker> hm... river dikes... that's 12 transition sprites: straight sides. curves with both sides filled. and small curves with only the edge filled 17:20:04 <planetmaker> so a river tile is composed such that 17:20:08 <planetmaker> a) water is drawn 17:20:22 <planetmaker> b) dikes are drawn: straight when adjacent is land 17:20:40 <planetmaker> c) dikes big corner is drawn when both adjacent are land 17:20:58 <planetmaker> d) dikes small corner is drawn when both adjecent are water and the diagonal is land 17:21:48 <Japa_> Yeah, I'm probably doing this the hard way 17:21:52 <planetmaker> hm... maybe much of its code can even be generalized? 17:22:12 <planetmaker> sorry, didn't think of that before 17:27:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:51 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:07 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has joined #openttd 17:32:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:17 <Japa_> http://pastebin.com/XexggsDH 17:36:29 <planetmaker> I would probably use a single #define TRANSITION_SPRITES 4*19 17:37:35 <planetmaker> or 12*19? :D 17:38:02 <Japa_> point 17:38:16 <planetmaker> @calc 12*19*7 17:38:16 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1596 17:38:20 <planetmaker> :-O 17:38:57 <Japa_> @calc 30*19*7 17:38:57 <DorpsGek> Japa_: 3990 17:39:21 <planetmaker> and now temperate, tropical and toyland, too 17:39:53 <planetmaker> @calc 12*19*16 17:39:53 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 3648 17:40:13 <planetmaker> in total for all climates, using snow transitions, grass, rock, rough, desert 17:40:53 <planetmaker> welcome to lands of insanity :D 17:41:56 <Japa_> yeah, I'm removing rough grass and rocks. they'll just use grass transitions 17:42:48 <planetmaker> hm, nah 17:43:48 <planetmaker> especially for rocks I'd find that sad :) 17:44:01 <planetmaker> they need the transition 17:44:19 <Japa_> fair enough. 17:44:48 <planetmaker> and it's easy to simply use the same sprites 17:44:57 <planetmaker> but much more difficult to change it later on 17:45:04 <Japa_> right. 17:46:22 <Japa_> anyway, now I sleep. It's late, and I have work tomorrow 17:46:55 <planetmaker> sleep well, Japa_ 17:47:26 <planetmaker> I believe it would be helpful to discuss the possible technical paths maybe with a wiki page before much time is spent on coding 17:47:44 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Terkhen/Scenario_format <-- something analogue to this 17:49:56 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 17:50:17 <Japa_> For now, have an animation I made while having entirely too much time on my hands at work 17:50:18 <Japa_> http://youtu.be/94RPlA-QXcw 17:52:36 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 17:53:48 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:6979:842d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:10 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@205.185.119.44] has joined #openttd 17:56:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:51 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 18:00:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:07:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:05 *** Pinkbeast [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has joined #openttd 18:28:55 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:35:09 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:13 *** Lizz [~Lizz@blk-89-196-21.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:42:26 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:23 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.20.67.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:17:40 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AE34.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:19:14 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.20.67.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:24 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.219.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f745db6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:29:11 <Wolf01> o/ 19:31:12 <Sacro> \o 19:31:24 <Wolf01> oh a Sacro :D 19:31:58 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:53 <Pikka> does it? 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http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/ 20:16:03 <Pikka> seems broken to me 20:17:08 * FLHerne wonders where to file website-bug tickets 20:19:03 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip199c143.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 20:19:57 <Alberth> trac being down is not a bug, it just happens every now and then ;) 20:20:45 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:19 <FLHerne> Surely having links to broken things is always a bug? :P 20:23:12 <Alberth> if you want to report web-site bugs, use the normal bug tracker, at the top you can select other projects than openttd 20:27:33 <FLHerne> Alberth: Ah, I see it now :-) 20:27:34 <frosch123> FLHerne: use hg.openttd.org 20:27:39 <frosch123> it's better anyway 20:28:26 <Tirili> Hey 20:28:30 <Tirili> I am new to the game. 20:28:38 <Tirili> Where can I send post cars to? 20:28:59 <FLHerne> Other stations that supply mail 20:29:08 <Alberth> truck stations in a town 20:29:10 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 20:29:34 <FLHerne> Passengers and mail are bidirectional - buildings that produce them also accept them 20:29:41 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:30:32 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 20:31:15 <Tirili> So I must build truck stations first? 20:31:17 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:32:41 <Alberth> yes, at a place where you accept or supply mail 20:33:15 <Alberth> just like all other transports, first build a station, then send train/truck/bus etc 20:34:37 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 20:34:59 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:35:07 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 20:35:09 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:35:22 <luaduck> sorry about that spam, trying to get nickserv to like me 20:38:53 * FLHerne didn't see any spam 20:42:21 * luaduck was doing nickswapping 20:42:36 <luaduck> so if you've got nick changes disabled in your client, you probably didn't see it 20:44:39 <FLHerne> Why would you *not* disable that sort of thing? :P 20:47:49 <Tirili> Alberth: I have created three truck stations next to city centers, but the mail truck which is driving between them doesn't carry any packages. :( 20:50:44 <Alberth> we need pictures or a save game to say anything 20:50:56 <Alberth> without it, it's just random guessing 21:01:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:13:50 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:16 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24:31 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:39 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-173-75-27-121.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:15 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-75-27-121.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:54 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:06:05 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:29 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:30 <Tirili> ok 22:07:58 <Tirili> and what could be reasons for a train not leaving the depot, although is has well defined task? 22:08:10 <planetmaker> signaling 22:10:51 <Xaroth|Work> refusing to crash into another train, basically :P 22:10:57 <planetmaker> ^^ 22:11:48 <Tirili> let me see 22:14:05 <planetmaker> good night 22:16:01 <Elyon> Tirili: unpause? 22:16:02 <Elyon> :D 22:16:28 <Tirili> 4 people just diead in my trains :( 22:17:12 <FLHerne> Tirili: Did you force it past a signal? 22:17:19 <Tirili> yea 22:17:43 <Tirili> Is there a tutorial about sharing railwaytracks between multiple trains? 22:18:07 <FLHerne> That's never a good idea - if it won't pass a signal, it almost always means passing it would cause a crash 22:18:25 <Elyon> Tirili: look into signalling? 22:18:51 <Tirili> It had the choice to go into another lane, but it didn't do so. 22:18:54 <FLHerne> http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 22:19:07 <FLHerne> Tirili: Are you using block signals? Don't :P 22:21:50 <Tirili> Thank you! 22:28:41 <frosch123> night 22:28:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f745db6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:29:04 <Elyon> Tirili: once you've got a basic network going, though, I'd advise you to go back to block (pre)signals 22:40:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2a00:6960:1:1::2442] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:08 *** jjavaholic_ is now known as jjavaholic 22:48:43 <Pikka> psh. PBS is all you need! 22:51:27 <FLHerne> Elyon: Why? They're only useful in certain unusual situations 22:52:11 <FLHerne> Great for prios or other regulation systems, but for signalling normal junctions and stations they just take up more space 22:53:16 <Elyon> FLHerne: PBS takes time to decide sometimes 22:53:35 <Elyon> which can severely slow down a main station, MSL, MSH and possibly mainline 22:53:49 <Elyon> that's what made me go back to presignals 22:54:42 <Elyon> for small pickup stations PBS is fine, but anything larger and I'd say presignals is better, gives you more control 22:55:19 <Elyon> plus train choice 22:55:43 <Elyon> minus decision delay 22:55:44 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:45 <Elyon> circumstantially PBS is fine or even awesome, but in general - and this might just be me (and others) - I'd use presignals unless there's a clear reason to use PBS over presignals in that specific case 22:57:06 <Elyon> I used to think PBS was all you needed as well, though, until a few weeks back, mind you 22:57:23 <V453000> Elyon, people are lazy and refuse to use brain :P 22:57:49 <Elyon> I still use it for smaller pickup stations, and use the two-way PBS backwards to penalise paths although YAPF usually does that for me 22:58:00 <Elyon> I was lazy and refused to use brain ;) 22:58:07 <V453000> was :) 22:58:54 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:59 <Elyon> 'text string' seems redundant 22:59:03 <Elyon> 'string' probably suffices 23:00:41 <Wolf01> 'night 23:00:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:05:52 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 23:11:47 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has joined #openttd 23:18:53 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AE34.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:20:28 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:45 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Hating people is like burning down your own house to get rid of a rat. -- Fosdick] 23:23:09 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6D4AF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:34:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:36:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AD54.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:13 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:16 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK