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T2 line name x) 01:18:03 *** Morgan_Freeman [~not_avail@99-194-190-173.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 01:29:15 <Tirili> Is there a way to save your standings in an online game and continue with your company one day later? 01:30:00 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 01:30:10 <Hazzard> !playercount 01:30:10 *** Hazzard was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 01:30:16 <Elyon> Tirili: just save your game? 01:30:21 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 01:31:13 <Tirili> But when I reload in some days later, what will happen to the other players? Being taken over by ai? 01:42:03 <Elyon> oh, like that. No, they should still be in there 01:42:26 <Elyon> assuming they have their own companies, the companies will persist and continue existing 01:54:52 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:49 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:19:56 *** mek42 [~chatzilla@cpe-74-79-52-81.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:39:36 <Tirili> Thank you! 02:40:32 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:35 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has joined #openttd 02:48:24 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:43 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.23/20131215180304]] 03:04:10 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.228.40] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is waiting your review at www.adiirc.com] 03:22:53 *** Lizz [~Lizz@blk-89-196-21.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:23:50 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has joined #openttd 03:30:39 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:45:28 *** Hazzard is now known as Guest805 03:45:29 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 03:49:50 *** Guest805 [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:24 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 04:31:24 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 04:31:39 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 04:40:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B5D2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:44:05 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.242.251] has joined #openttd 04:48:23 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.243.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:12:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5D08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:12:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD58E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:20:01 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:14 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:28:28 *** Virtual [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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PBS is all you need! 09:07:18 <andythenorth> meh 09:07:21 <andythenorth> upside down land 09:21:45 *** peter1139 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 09:23:14 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:00 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:06 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:06 *** peter1139 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:28:12 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:10 * LordAro mornings 09:30:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19417.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:35:55 *** Virtual [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has joined #openttd 09:38:11 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-59-245.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:42:50 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-0-25.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:44:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:58:39 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:10:23 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 10:10:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:16:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:33 <Alberth> moin 10:21:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:27:20 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-59-245.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:33 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:27:39 <planetmaker> moin 10:35:09 <Pikka> boin 10:36:26 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has joined #openttd 10:39:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 10:39:53 <Elyon> morning 10:40:43 <gogoprog> hoi 10:40:55 <LordAro> moin 10:41:57 <Elyon> another day, another nfo nightmare 10:42:37 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 10:45:45 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.228.40] has joined #openttd 10:48:27 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 10:52:55 <andythenorth> bon Pikka chops 10:52:59 <andythenorth> so maths.... 10:53:01 <Pikka> oui oui 10:53:05 <Pikka> not really 10:53:19 <Pikka> mostly fudge 10:53:29 <andythenorth> it's ok, I can do sums with fudge 10:53:57 * andythenorth currently toddler wrangling 10:54:00 <andythenorth> so no sums 10:54:01 <andythenorth> :P 10:54:08 <Pikka> incidentally, I just doubled the running costs for my trains (by increasing the multiplier by 1) ;) 10:54:10 <Pikka> fun times 10:57:09 <Pikka> I just realised I should put the vehicle I'm working on in a separate grf, rather than spend five minutes recompiling the whole thing every time I want to see my changes in-game... 10:58:46 <peter1138> just change the ini file 10:58:58 <peter1138> or was it xml? 11:01:45 <andythenorth> Pikka: same problem in FIRS, there's a compiler flag I use to get one industry 11:01:53 <andythenorth> otherwise I have to drink a lot of coffee 11:02:04 <Alberth> hyper andy :) 11:02:10 <andythenorth> let's have a non-compiled newgrf format :P 11:02:20 <planetmaker> xml? 11:02:43 <Alberth> users just type the newgrf bytes 11:02:58 <andythenorth> I would love writing code in xml :P 11:03:03 <andythenorth> that would be super 11:03:11 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:11 <planetmaker> and we send sheets of ascii characters which they need to type in? cool :) 11:03:24 <Pikka> locomotion is xml... yuck. 11:06:13 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-170-193.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:08:32 <andythenorth> <node>0F 0A 02 16 FA FF 0C 20 10 1A FF FF</node> 11:11:34 <planetmaker> sounds totally legible 11:14:51 <andythenorth> stupid OS X 11:14:56 <andythenorth> ran out of battery and shut down 11:15:44 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:45 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:43 <Alberth> shouldn't it be like <node><byte base="16">0F</byte> <byte base="16">0A</byte> <byte base="16">02</byte> <byte base="16">16</byte> <byte base="16">FA</byte> <byte base="16">FF</byte> <byte base="16">0C</byte> <byte base="16">20</byte> <byte base="16">10</byte> <byte base="16">1A</byte> <byte base="16">FF</byte> <byte base="16">FF</byte></node> ? 11:21:25 <andythenorth> dunno, doesn't seem as user friendly as my suggestion 11:21:33 <andythenorth> I think they key here is user friendliness 11:22:01 <andythenorth> I could probably have the parser split on whitespace, write new nodes into the xml tree for the format you're suggesting 11:22:11 <andythenorth> in fact we could have a compile step for it 11:22:17 <andythenorth> Pikka: 11:22:24 <andythenorth> oops 11:22:28 <andythenorth> chep? 11:22:29 <Pikka> andythenorth, 11:23:35 <andythenorth> Fast and Power I actually need to provide values for per vehicle? 11:25:30 <Pikka> yeah, they're the controls... if you leave them all the same, you'll get a progression of vehicles based on the year, but everything will be middle-of-the-road 11:25:53 <Pikka> you can dial down power to get a shunter, dial up fast to get an express loco, etc. 11:25:58 <andythenorth> hrm 11:26:10 <andythenorth> let's see 11:26:19 <andythenorth> I already have some fuel_run_cost_factor and fixed_run_cost_factor 11:26:24 <andythenorth> which is copied from shipses 11:26:33 <Pikka> :P 11:26:38 <andythenorth> maybe I can put that into your formula 11:26:46 <andythenorth> fixed_run_cost_factor = number of crew :P 11:26:55 <Pikka> such hybrid fudgery! 11:27:01 <andythenorth> for shame 11:27:05 <andythenorth> where is the realism? 11:27:11 <Pikka> dbset 11:27:58 <Alberth> andythenorth: I used a substitution expression s/\([0-9A-F][0-9A-F]\)/<byte base="16"><\/byte>/g 11:28:12 <andythenorth> Alberth: I like that 11:28:20 <andythenorth> ideally we need more / and \ characters 11:28:26 <andythenorth> can we escape escapes? 11:28:46 <Alberth> \c\a\n\ \w\e\? 11:29:53 <andythenorth> Pikka: is 'fast' relative to other locos at the time, or is it a pure dibble? 11:29:53 <Elyon> \\c\\a\\n\\ \\w\\e\\?, you mean? 11:30:25 <Pikka> relative to other locos at the time 11:30:42 <andythenorth> k 11:31:19 <Japa_> is this some kind of automatic train grf generator? 11:31:39 <Pikka> train stat generator, Japa_ 11:32:07 <Japa_> it should generate graphics 11:32:09 <Japa_> somehow 11:33:04 <andythenorth> that has been doen 11:33:06 <andythenorth> done * 11:33:13 <andythenorth> I have an automatic truck set generator 11:33:17 <andythenorth> but it was boring 11:33:21 <Pikka> andy: "chep" is a cost debuff for trains below the tech level. It was a control, but it's now just an intermediate calculated value. 11:34:48 * andythenorth does some codes 11:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i have crude boxy generated sprites 11:44:17 <andythenorth> some are better than crude? 11:44:22 <andythenorth> I saw some wagons somewhere 11:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> everything that's better than crude is hand drawn 12:00:01 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-4-104.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:04:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:04:39 <Wolf01> hi hi 12:05:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747ce7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:01 <Alberth> hi hi 12:16:54 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:07 <Pikka> ho ho 12:17:09 <frosch123> moin 12:17:50 <planetmaker> moin 12:23:24 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:30:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:31:48 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:20 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 12:37:19 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has joined #openttd 12:42:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:35 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:04 *** nicferirc [~nicfer@190.50.55.75] has joined #openttd 12:45:11 <nicferirc> hu 12:45:18 *** nicferirc [~nicfer@190.50.55.75] has left #openttd [] 12:49:50 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:58 <andythenorth> Pikka: does this look right for chep? :P 13:04:58 <andythenorth> return (2-(fast+power), 1)[fast+power<=1] 13:05:19 <andythenorth> you may point out that I have given you no language context :P 13:05:29 <Pikka> I may 13:05:32 <Pikka> it looks about right :P 13:05:45 <andythenorth> (False, True)[test] 13:05:54 <Pikka> si 13:06:58 <andythenorth> output numbers look right 13:07:00 <andythenorth> oh how funky 13:07:07 <andythenorth> I'm calculating wagon running costs too :P 13:07:29 <Pikka> I used much simpler calculations for wagons :P 13:08:08 <Pikka> particularly since I don't have any generations, so statting by year is out 13:09:21 <andythenorth> hrm 13:09:28 <andythenorth> my buy numbers are coming out differently now 13:09:39 <Alberth> hmm, [fast|power] ? 13:10:03 <andythenorth> ? 13:11:14 <Alberth> fast+power<=1 is 1 if at least one of them is true, right? fast|power is also true if at least one of them is true 13:11:29 <Alberth> s/also true/also 1/ 13:12:21 <Alberth> perhaps s/|/ or / if you're talking python 13:12:35 <andythenorth> does a value >1 still evaluate to True? 13:12:38 <andythenorth> I assume so 13:12:58 <Alberth> in python it does 13:13:16 <Alberth> although I am against use of boolean values :) 13:13:21 <Alberth> +such 13:13:59 <Alberth> but "fast or power" is just false or true 13:14:56 <Alberth> hmm return 2-(fast or power) should work too 13:16:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:50 <Elyon> is there something I should know about building sprite indices when using advanced sprite layouts? I've tried both the +42D approach, the \d0 approach, and the \d80000000 approach, all I get is random game sprites instead of the custom sprites I've loaded 13:17:59 <Elyon> topic: newgrf/NFO 13:21:30 <Elyon> haha 13:21:46 <Elyon> it was the +42D approach plus the \dx80000000 approach 13:21:50 <Elyon> well nevermind :D 13:22:39 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:48 *** Virtual [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 13:30:16 <efess> Any admins here from tt-forums.net? 13:30:51 <LordAro> probably 13:33:55 <Alberth> if you don't have login problems, usually, the easiest way is to press the ! button, and type them a pm 13:34:46 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-4-167.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:35:23 <efess> email activation isn't working :( 13:36:04 <efess> also, seems like someone fixed this one, what's the process of getting it into trunk? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5866 13:37:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B5D2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:37:36 <LordAro> orudge: ^ 13:39:14 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-0-25.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:59 <andythenorth> oic 13:40:02 <andythenorth> oh he's gone :) 13:43:51 <Pokka> who is? 13:43:57 *** Pokka is now known as Pikka 14:04:44 <andythenorth> Pikka: HP - calculated? o_O 14:04:58 <Pikka> everything is calculated 14:05:08 <Pikka> except the fast and power controls :P 14:05:22 <andythenorth> that makes sense 14:05:28 <andythenorth> I didn't notice that at first :P 14:06:20 <Pikka> and the introduction year 14:06:28 <andythenorth> it's appealing to me because I'm lazy 14:06:34 <andythenorth> but Dan likes to specify specific HP 14:06:39 <Pikka> well 14:06:41 <andythenorth> so I might hack at the formula a bit more 14:06:54 <Pikka> you can wiggle the power control until you get the hp you want 14:07:01 <Pikka> if you're targetting a particular hp 14:07:06 <andythenorth> I am +1 to this, deciding stats is boring :P 14:07:11 <Pikka> and it will adjust the costs, weights, etc, accordingly 14:07:34 <Pikka> and you can wiggle the fast control if you're targetting a particular mph :P 14:07:56 <andythenorth> I might steal this for SomeTruckSet 14:08:12 <Pikka> do you want my spreadsheet for someothertruckset to look at? 14:08:21 <andythenorth> why not 14:08:57 <Pikka> let me prettify it a little first 14:10:20 <andythenorth> MU capacity? 14:10:25 <andythenorth> hmm 14:10:28 <andythenorth> might ignore that for now 14:10:42 <Pikka> it just adds a little to the running cost, it's fairly ignorable 14:11:56 <andythenorth> ooh 14:12:00 <andythenorth> negative running costs 14:12:07 <Pikka> you broke it! 14:12:07 <andythenorth> that's funky 14:12:17 <andythenorth> I am not using calculated stats, it's breaks it :P 14:12:31 <andythenorth> speed and power disagree with your table currently 14:12:41 <Pikka> if you turn the knobs too hard it breaks, for sure 14:12:54 <Pikka> prototypical HPs might be out of range 14:13:13 <Pikka> real trains are way too powerful for TTD, trains which reach top speed half a tile out of the station and just stay there are boring :P 14:13:43 <andythenorth> I think it's the wagons :) 14:13:51 <andythenorth> they all have the same calc applied 14:13:56 <andythenorth> hmm 14:14:04 <Pikka> oh, wogans 14:14:05 <andythenorth> anyone know how to uncrash python? o_O 14:14:15 <andythenorth> ctrl-c is not worky 14:14:50 <Alberth> the >>> prompt? 14:15:07 <andythenorth> nah, it's runing a script 14:15:18 <andythenorth> the error handling crashes horribly 14:15:46 <Alberth> you don't want a stack dump or so? 14:15:54 <Alberth> how "crash" ? 14:16:04 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:09 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:19:13 <Alberth> perhaps exception handling of nml can be inspirational :) https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/entry/nml/main.py#L316 14:22:44 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3438.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:45 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.110.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:25 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.87] has joined #openttd 14:24:11 <andythenorth> Alberth: gtg, but I'll paste something later ;) 14:24:21 <andythenorth> somebody broke the error handling in python somehow 14:24:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:35:33 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-217-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:52:15 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-116-30.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:53:07 *** Randominty [~Randomint@124.168.211.251] has quit [] 15:09:53 *** Virtual [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has joined #openttd 15:50:05 <planetmaker> Alberth, in which package do I find g++ on fedora20? 15:50:31 <Alberth> ccache-3.1.9-4.fc20.x86_64 15:51:05 <Alberth> very logical :p 15:51:36 <Alberth> just install all c/c++ development stuff :) 15:52:05 <planetmaker> I installed gcc as package description said it has also g++... but... well :) 15:52:10 <planetmaker> thanks :) 15:53:05 <Alberth> it probably does, ccache sounds like it's just caching complilations 15:55:49 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah, ccache merely depends on gcc-g++ 15:55:55 <planetmaker> ah... gcc-c++ 15:58:20 <planetmaker> package names are a bit strange at times. But the system runs out-of box quite nicely 15:58:43 <planetmaker> only custom partitioning didn't didn't work out on install 16:04:50 <Alberth> upgrading to the next version also fails for me, I normally just re-install the OS from scratch 16:04:59 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has joined #openttd 16:05:55 <planetmaker> it wasn't upgrade. Virgin hard disk, no 'old' disks connected which could confuse it 16:10:47 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:28 <Alberth> just telling you :) 16:12:01 <planetmaker> :) 16:17:39 *** bdavenport [~davenport@99-62-16-103.lightspeed.chrlnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:14 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has joined #openttd 16:30:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:34:16 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:05 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:36:53 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:46 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-116-30.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:47:31 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:49:43 *** gogoprog [~gogoprog@91.183.39.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:50:46 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:51:53 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 16:53:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:10 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3438.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 17:04:03 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:07:20 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:23 *** slee [~slee@173-26-167-191.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:49 *** slee [~slee@0001c4b7.user.oftc.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:19:58 *** slee [~slee@0001c4b7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:23:40 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:53 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:30 *** Virtual [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 17:31:52 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:37:39 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:43:44 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has joined #openttd 17:45:01 <peter1138> "i.e. a Factory can accept: Steel, Copper (rafined from Copper Ore), Aluminium (rafined from Bauxite), Lumber, Rubber, Plastic, Paper to produce goods" 17:45:06 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:06 <peter1138> cos "Metal" is too complex? 17:45:33 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has joined #openttd 17:45:52 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 17:47:44 <Alberth> to make one big central do-everything factory :) 17:50:02 <slee> ugh, i just realized you can't remove these antennas 17:51:03 <frosch123> it's their only purpose 17:52:05 <Sacro> sigh 17:52:14 <Sacro> I need path based presignals 17:52:27 <Sacro> I want a train to reserve through multiple signals 17:52:57 <Alberth> how is that different than one long block? 17:56:49 <Sacro> Alberth: can get a shorter headway 17:57:00 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:49 <Alberth> I don't understand, if a train has to reserve through 5 blocks, it cannot move until it has a path through 5 blocks, right? 18:01:51 <slee> reading up on stand alone(dedicated) server for openttd...i can't find whether or not map size is still limitted to 2048x2048....can you make the map bigger on a server? i'm thinking of setting up a personal server on my mythbuntu box 18:02:34 <Sacro> Alberth: yep 18:02:41 <Sacro> but the train behind can go when it has cleared the first block 18:02:50 <Sacro> not wait for it to clear the 5th 18:02:58 <frosch123> Sacro: i believe there are two patches for that 18:03:48 <Alberth> how is the 2nd train going to reserve the block with the first train ? 18:06:08 <glx> slee: dedicated is just a client without video 18:06:20 <Sacro> Alberth: you wouldn't have as many as 5 really 18:06:21 <glx> all calculation are done on both 18:06:25 <Sacro> more like 2/3 on the entry to a station 18:06:30 <slee> thanks 18:06:35 <frosch123> Sacro: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=42675 <- patches in first and third post 18:07:31 <Sacro> frosch123: thanks, but i'm fed up with patching 18:07:49 <Sacro> I want infrastructure sharing, daylength, timetable seperation 18:07:52 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:54 <Sacro> and it to not desync constant 18:08:19 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has joined #openttd 18:08:32 <frosch123> at least you do not want copy&paste :p 18:09:48 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:17:26 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 18:22:05 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:22:52 <slee> i installed the north american roads set and dropped one of each bridge to see what they looked like, the wooden bridge graphics are flawed..anyone experiencing that? 18:24:10 <planetmaker> known issue. newgrf bug 18:24:28 <slee> k 18:24:57 <slee> wasn't sure if maybe i had conflicting grfs(i'm a noob to openttd) 18:45:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26288 trunk/src/lang/polish.txt (2014-02-01 18:45:14 UTC) 18:45:23 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:24 <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by wojteks86 18:46:46 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3438.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:52:40 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:04 <Pikka> always the same problem with creating newgrfs 18:59:33 <Pikka> you get about 60% done, then you just sit there watching the trains go by 19:00:19 <Alberth> that also happens to me when playing an OpenTTD game :) 19:01:35 <Pikka> isn't that what you're supposed to do when playing an OpenTTD game? :P 19:02:28 <Alberth> it is for me :) 19:02:50 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 19:02:56 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:10:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:27 <planetmaker> that sounds very familiar, Pikka :) 19:18:48 <Pikka> http://i.imgur.com/1B0IoiE.png 19:18:57 <Pikka> I suppose it has been a fairly productive couple of weeks, though :) 19:22:12 <planetmaker> 623M pota-ghat/ 19:22:12 <planetmaker> ;) 19:22:12 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-4-167.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:55 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-4-167.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:25:24 <Pikka> with 32bpp/ez becoming mainstream, the people who load up every newgrf they can find are going to find themselves running out of memory :) 19:26:55 <Taede> remember theyll want to play on 2048x2048 maps, or bigger 19:32:20 <FLHerne> Pikka: Not really, OTTD uses far less memory than most other things these days 19:33:07 <FLHerne> I suspect the 'every grf' mindset may carry over into hardware, too 19:35:49 <Pikka> hmm 19:39:42 <planetmaker> Pikka, there's at most 4GB of sprite memory which OpenTTD allows to allocate. And you can limit it further (but slowing things down) 19:40:45 <Pikka> so I should be aiming to make a 4gb newgrf, is what you're saying? 19:41:00 <planetmaker> :D better not :) 19:42:16 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: even on the x64 builds? 19:42:42 <planetmaker> Xaroth, yes... that's the max OpenTTD will try to allocate 19:43:09 <Xaroth|Work> pff :P 19:46:47 <efess> 4gb is so last year 19:47:01 <efess> (joke) 19:47:30 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 19:49:48 <FLHerne> I keep making silly design mistakes in my hobby-project that make it eat GBs on a whim :-/ 19:50:21 <FLHerne> I guess designing things that don't need million-element arrays of things is one of those important coding skills :P 19:52:09 <planetmaker> @calc 60000 * 256*128*4 / 1024/1024 19:52:09 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 7500 20:12:23 <frosch123> Taede: map size is irrelevant to memory usage compared to graphics 20:12:46 <frosch123> and i think we do not support more than 2GB of sprite cache 20:12:52 <frosch123> its all signed integeres or so :p 20:20:29 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:07 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:33:54 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.54] has joined #openttd 20:35:13 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:07 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:47 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 20:57:54 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 21:08:23 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:11:56 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:18 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:09 <Alberth> V453000: are you supposed to have 2 Educated Horses after each other? (nuts 0.6.2) there is a hole between them in -- direction 21:16:54 <Taede> i believe that is intentional, so that each engine is either half or full tile 21:17:12 <Taede> so that you are never stuck with fractional trains (eg, 2.7 length) 21:21:01 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:52 <Alberth> ah, makes sense, although I don't mind "weird" lengths 21:22:09 <Taede> its to do with cornering speed as well 21:23:13 <Taede> afaik a train with lots of short wagons, will corner a lot slower than an equal lenght train of longer wagons 21:24:21 <Alberth> higher train mathematics :) 21:25:04 <Taede> it annoyed V 21:25:17 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 21:25:39 <Alberth> sounds like something he may get annoyed with :) 21:26:56 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it went faster because there are more wagons between the bends 21:34:41 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:46:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747ce7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:48:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:50:00 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.212] has joined #openttd 21:56:47 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19417.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:04:16 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:09:33 *** DanMacK [~488ac98b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:09:38 <DanMacK> Hey all 22:09:40 <Xaroth|Work> o/ 22:09:44 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 22:09:44 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <andythenorth> somebody broke the error handling in python somehow 22:09:53 *** DanMacK [~488ac98b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 22:24:38 <Tirili> At which year does building planes start in openttd? 22:25:58 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Aircraft 22:26:06 <glx> 1928 22:27:45 <Pikka> unless you're using a newgrf which changes that 22:27:50 <planetmaker> 1945 in toyland 22:27:54 <planetmaker> or newgrfs, yes 22:33:29 <Tirili> Thank you :) 22:42:46 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:08 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:59 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:07 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58_ 23:13:32 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:11 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has joined #openttd 23:34:02 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.20.67.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:36:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:39:58 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:42:47 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-4-167.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:48:21 <slee> does anyone know off the top of thier head when the first update for egrvts start? i started in year 1800...wondering if i started waaaay to early 23:50:57 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:58 <slee> or is there a url that lists what years vehicles update? vanilla and egrvts 23:52:37 <glx> 1800 is indeed early 23:53:50 <slee> ok, what is a good year to start? 23:58:06 <slee> nm, i see the first steam train starts in 1925, that'll work