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00:05:16  <Wolf01> 'night all
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09:30:09  <fjb_mobile> Moin
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09:37:07  <andythenorth> moin
09:37:34  <supermop> hi andy
09:37:42  <supermop> it's evening here
09:39:26  <supermop> my fiancee wants me to learn python
09:40:05  <andythenorth> soon she will be your wife
09:40:08  <andythenorth> then you will have no choice
09:40:16  <supermop> python or my fiancee
09:40:18  <supermop> ?
09:40:24  <andythenorth> python
09:40:40  <andythenorth> 'my fiancee' wants and 'my wife wants' are very different statements
09:40:41  <planetmaker> moin
09:40:59  * andythenorth has fallen into a theory hole
09:41:04  <andythenorth> small world networks again
09:41:13  <supermop> too bad she cant just write the python for me
09:41:32  <supermop> but she has other things to develop
09:42:00  <andythenorth> just learn python then :)
09:43:04  <andythenorth> https://www.cs.ubc.ca/~tmm/courses/cpsc533c-04-spr/readings/auberIV03Seattle.pdf
09:43:22  <supermop> also pondering dropping 1000aud on a revit class here
09:43:28  <andythenorth> hey supermop it was unrelated, but the examples here are python ;) http://pages.physics.cornell.edu/~myers/teaching/ComputationalMethods/ComputerExercises/SmallWorld/SmallWorld.html
09:43:34  <andythenorth> coincidence
09:43:39  <andythenorth> but you could learn python there :P
09:44:10  <supermop> if i was using revt at work i could learn it faster and for free
09:44:18  <supermop> but its a chicken and egg problem
09:44:24  <supermop> hmm thanks andythenorth
09:44:54  <andythenorth> python import this
09:46:13  <andythenorth> fonsinchen: not sure I can explain it properly, but for freight, I don't think the goal is to connect all nodes to a single network for each cargo
09:46:16  <supermop> how are things back up on the right side of the globe?
09:46:34  <andythenorth> supermop: not as warm as they were yesterday
09:47:35  <supermop> 95 F here
09:47:46  <supermop> but rainy
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09:48:34  <planetmaker> yeh... no sun today. Just haze
09:48:53  <V453000> sun here (:
09:49:07  <V453000> though I supopse not for long if shit is @pm place
09:49:19  <planetmaker> lol :)
09:49:30  <planetmaker> Well, as said, it's hazy. Sun might come again. No rain or so
09:49:51  <V453000> best forecast: sit on IRC with nerds and care less about weather
09:49:55  <V453000> win
09:49:57  <V453000> (:
09:51:21  <supermop> andythenorth: could python make art prints for me?
09:51:23  <planetmaker> lol
09:51:29  <supermop> that's whaat i am shooting for
09:51:36  <andythenorth> http://vendyxiao.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/reality-worst-game-ever1.jpg
09:51:45  <planetmaker> supermop, that depends on how much an art you make it to programme python :)
09:51:46  <andythenorth> ^ ok, we've seen it before :P
09:52:11  <planetmaker> but sure it can
09:53:16  <supermop> sounds interesting
09:53:56  <planetmaker> with pillow you certainly have an extensive graphics library available for python
09:54:42  <andythenorth> http://math.andrej.com/2010/04/21/random-art-in-python/
09:54:49  <supermop> i am currently messing around with pen and paper rules: look up a huge prime number, then go through grid using my rules: if digit is x then draw z unless neighboring digit is y
09:55:03  <andythenorth> http://jeremykun.com/2012/01/01/random-psychedelic-art/
09:55:05  <supermop> but its pretty basic
09:55:20  <supermop> actually program might make more interesting stuff
09:55:29  <andythenorth> http://www.creativeapplications.net/processing/brute-force-approach-x-schwarm-vii-software-by-andreas-nicolas-fischer/
09:58:59  <supermop> so what are you guys working on?
10:06:33  <V453000> animal mayhem
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10:08:10  <andythenorth> V453000: that is a good grf name...
10:08:22  <andythenorth> all grfs are now animal-named :P
10:08:25  <V453000> translates into nuts
10:11:33  <planetmaker> bananas' spiritual predecessor was giraffe ;)
10:11:54  <V453000> bananas ate giraffe sounds seriously awkward
10:12:01  <planetmaker> that's why :P
10:13:41  <V453000> about as bad name as squid ate fish or nuts ate purr :P
10:15:40  <planetmaker> :)
10:16:19  <V453000> all grf names are misleading we should use grf<ID> only
10:16:51  <andythenorth> A74E9CF1
10:16:56  <V453000> exactly
10:16:58  <planetmaker> really?
10:17:03  <V453000> makes about as much sense as Dutch train set
10:18:13  <V453000> people then imply it belongs to some country instead of focusing on how the vehicles work
10:18:25  <V453000> problem is that authors are equally stupid? :D
10:21:37  <planetmaker> the DutchTS is not that bad really. But it seems to go in a one-set-fits-all-trains set. Which is a bit sad
10:21:49  <planetmaker> instead of tweaking the set more towards actual gameplay
10:24:27  <V453000> just looking at 20? various pax wagons without actual use is awesome sight
10:24:47  <V453000> not even mentioning Any thought given to train stats
10:25:00  <andythenorth> no need
10:25:05  <andythenorth> just use reality
10:25:06  <V453000> y
10:25:10  <andythenorth> reality is the best game evar
10:25:30  <andythenorth> V453000: I don't know why you expect model trains to contain gameplay?
10:25:39  <V453000> :D
10:26:08  <planetmaker> V453000, 20 wagons might still make sense, if it's just for looks. could be done as refit, though
10:26:20  <planetmaker> 20 engines... well. Not with near-similar stats really
10:26:28  <andythenorth> V453000: what is the game of this?  Other than crashing http://www.maerklin.com/en/products/details.html?level1=3941&nopage=1&art_nr=29755&groupchoice=0&subgroupchoice=16&backlink=%2Fwww.maerklin.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fstarter_sets.html
10:26:30  <planetmaker> could be done with refit, too :)
10:26:56  <planetmaker> lol :)
10:27:10  <V453000> I mean, the wagons could be coded as one differentiated by vehicle_type_id, eventually even position_in_consist(_from_end) or even refit to manually control it
10:27:23  <V453000> they dont even fit to every vehicle and nowhere is written which to which
10:27:23  <andythenorth> V453000: most authors are just doing this ;) https://www.maerklinshop.de/index.php?sid=c3db0169bc12c001320fc0bd3f1c30c6&cl=details&cnid=c20ad4d76fe97759aa27a0c99bff6710&anid=M000769
10:27:42  <planetmaker> urgs. I really hate if I can't combine wagons and engines as I see fit
10:27:58  <V453000> exactly
10:28:37  <V453000> OR it has to be clearly shown which fits where
10:28:50  <planetmaker> yes, very clearly
10:28:57  <planetmaker> and even then I might be annoyed
10:29:08  <V453000> yeah that depends
10:29:17  <planetmaker> as to: why can't I? I want to play and that combination will be fun for me
10:29:35  <andythenorth> because the author had a design in mind
10:29:36  <planetmaker> but that runs into balancing issues :)
10:29:37  <andythenorth> for you
10:29:39  <planetmaker> yeah
10:29:48  <andythenorth> you are supposed to be the way the author wants you to be
10:29:51  <andythenorth> please submit
10:29:51  <V453000> yeah, sometimes it is necessary
10:29:54  <andythenorth> it's a BDSM thing :P
10:30:03  <planetmaker> too many sets are ^ like that, yes
10:30:08  <V453000> e.g. it would be stupid to allow 45 capacity wagons to run with maglev while they are supposed to be for ships
10:30:16  <planetmaker> graphically nice. But forcing me to do one thing only
10:30:38  <planetmaker> one thing which I don't enjoy, replaying some history which this game is not suitable to replay exactly anyway
10:30:58  <planetmaker> V453000, nooooooo! ;)
10:31:05  <V453000> yes :)
10:31:08  <planetmaker> I want that to mimic a ferry! :P
10:31:18  <V453000> there is ferry on wetrail for that :D
10:31:27  <planetmaker> drat. you win
10:31:42  <planetmaker> And I go for lunch as compensation :)
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10:31:47  <V453000> problem is, in fact it would allow you to do "less" things ... because automatically best train + best wagon == 1 combination
10:32:00  <planetmaker> yeah, I know :)
10:32:03  <V453000> yeah :)
10:32:06  <V453000> enjoy your meal
10:33:25  <V453000> BUT what I am considering to do is to have 2 wagons only, nothing else ... the problem I run into is that I would want to decide its look by a switch - and that switch would lead to all wagons in NUTS right now .... which would probably run into "too many switch results" thingy
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11:03:27  <nex259> .
11:08:02  <Xaroth|Work> ..
11:08:08  <V453000> .
11:13:44  <andythenorth> V453000: 2 wagons makes sene
11:13:44  <andythenorth> sense *
11:13:50  <andythenorth> what are they?  Fast and slow?
11:13:54  <andythenorth> Big and small?
11:14:12  <V453000> large 8/8 and articulated 2x 4/8
11:15:08  <andythenorth> in nfo the switches thing would be a non-issue :P
11:18:23  <planetmaker> andythenorth, the number of switches is a grf-spec limitation really
11:19:15  <V453000> nml
11:19:27  <V453000> mhm
11:19:37  <V453000> is it number of switches or switch results?
11:19:48  <planetmaker> that's directly related
11:20:03  <planetmaker> also spritesets need to get a unique number
11:20:24  <planetmaker> numbers can be re-used though
11:21:02  <V453000> hm.
11:21:25  <planetmaker> simplified: one vehilce with 3 different looks uses 3 IDs
11:21:26  <V453000> well it would be awesome but I guess I would run into way too many technical limitations
11:21:36  <planetmaker> 10 vehicles with 3 different looks use also 3 IDs
11:21:53  <V453000> what do you mean?
11:22:04  <planetmaker> one vehicle with 30 different looks uses more than 3 IDs. But might use less than 30, depending on how it's coded
11:22:27  <planetmaker> IDs in terms of switchIDs
11:22:34  <planetmaker> there can be 255 switchIDs at most
11:22:51  <V453000> brb in an hour, lunch :)
11:22:53  <andythenorth> and you can't nest like you can in nfo
11:22:55  <V453000> right :)
11:23:26  <planetmaker> andythenorth, nml does that. To some extent. Maybe you can help to make it more intelligent, if need be
11:23:49  <andythenorth> hmm
11:23:53  <planetmaker> but I don't think it's as stupid as you assume
11:24:23  <planetmaker> in NML you just write a few lines of NML and you would need hundrets of lines of NFO to express the same complexity
11:24:37  <andythenorth> indeed
11:25:49  <planetmaker> I'm sure there was a reason we don't have extended byte IDs for action2
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12:26:15  <juzza1> why do i get "Error with the configuration file... ...ignoring invalid NewGRF 'ogfx-biggui.grf': unsafe for static use" when trying to set it as a static newgrf? what triggers that error?
12:27:50  <V453000> the newgrf is shit
12:27:54  <V453000> or something? :D
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12:29:39  <juzza1> used to work recently... currently im using the latest trunk/nightlies for both ottd and biggui
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12:46:18  <andythenorth> so has anyone finished this newgrf for me?
12:47:04  <planetmaker> hm... maybe I changed something which triggers that, juzza1 and you now have a new(er) version?
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12:51:59  <juzza1> i'll check if i still have the working version installed on laptop
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12:56:16  <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-biggui/ @ juzza1 might have some different versions to check
12:56:21  <planetmaker> I'll be much interested in the results
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13:02:45  <juzza1> ok, works with 4996, but not with 5026 (or higher)
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13:05:16  <planetmaker> juzza1: can you create an issue with ogfx+biggui describing the issue? I'll otherwise likely forget
13:05:21  <planetmaker> but that should be fixed imho
13:05:36  <juzza1> sure
13:06:32  <planetmaker> thx
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13:53:54  <LordAro> :o a TrueBrain appeared on the forums
13:57:02  <Eddi|zuHause> HOW DARE HE! HE SHOULD GET BACK INTO HIS CAVE AND WATCH THE SERVERS RUN!!
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14:06:35  <V453000> YES
14:07:03  <TrueBrain> I am sorry .. I do apoligise!
14:08:04  <V453000> :D
14:09:58  <TrueBrain> what the worst part is .. I was helpful
14:10:00  <TrueBrain> I hate that part
14:10:23  <V453000> how terrible!
14:11:44  <Xaroth|Work> does it burn?
14:12:04  <TrueBrain> burns like a banana!
14:12:14  <planetmaker> sometimes one has to make a sacrifice
14:12:25  <planetmaker> I prefer to sacrify others :P
14:12:33  <V453000> "for the greater good of people being idiots"
14:12:44  <V453000> sounds convincing :P
14:13:33  <planetmaker> I knew you would like it :P
14:14:35  <V453000> if someone isnt able to decide a name of their banana, it is quite idiotic :P
14:14:48  <TrueBrain> people can change their mind :)
14:14:50  <TrueBrain> that is fine :)
14:15:10  <TrueBrain> calling stuff "fatal errors" because you worked with PHP for 8 years is .. euh .. well .. I hate repeating you :D:D:D *trolls*
14:15:26  <V453000> (:
14:17:54  <Xaroth|Work> 8 years in PHP and he still hasn't found out it sucks? :P
14:18:06  <TrueBrain> I work with PHP for years now; I know damn well it sucks
14:18:16  <TrueBrain> lets not make "fatal errors" by jumping to silly conclusions here :D
14:18:34  <Xaroth|Work> I know you know it sucks
14:18:53  <TrueBrain> and I know you know I know it sucks :D
14:19:02  <TrueBrain> no V453000 knows that I know that you know that I know it sucks :)
14:19:05  <TrueBrain> no? now!
14:19:13  <Xaroth|Work> :)
14:19:55  <Eddi|zuHause> isn't the point of a "fatal error" that you can only ever do one of those in a lifetime?
14:20:08  <Xaroth|Work> http://i.imgur.com/Hdvzp1g.jpg
14:20:23  <Eddi|zuHause> "he commited suicide with two shots in the head, both fatal"
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14:21:11  <blathijs> I guess that anything that will result in death is fatal, not just the things that actually resulted in your death
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14:21:32  <blathijs> And if you shoot yourself in the head two times, then it could be ruled a tie and both of them count :-)
14:21:33  <TrueBrain> breathing is fatal!
14:21:51  <blathijs> TrueBrain: Though not breathing is even _more_ fatal ;-p
14:22:04  <TrueBrain> more fatal ... interesting concept :D
14:22:12  <blathijs> Indeed
14:22:15  <Eddi|zuHause> how many micromorts does one breath of air have?
14:23:00  <Eddi|zuHause> being alive for a year is something like 3000 micromorts in europe and 5000 micromorts in the US
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14:23:55  <Eddi|zuHause> 1 micromort being a 1:1000000 chance to die during this action
14:24:01  <TrueBrain> talking about being alive, hello andy!
14:25:36  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i had something to say about trams, but you left :p
14:25:53  <TrueBrain> you had something to say about trams, and he got bored
14:25:55  <TrueBrain> I understand
14:26:03  <andythenorth> lol :)
14:26:09  <andythenorth> hello TrueBrain and Eddi|zuHause
14:26:17  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause can you remember?
14:26:26  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the log remembers
14:26:51  <Xaroth|Work> all praise the mighty log
14:27:02  <TrueBrain> go back to work you
14:27:03  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: it's more amazing that he got bored before i even started :p
14:27:13  <TrueBrain> sixth sense!
14:27:56  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: 100 for a vehicle that occupies a full tile? e.g. 2 8/8 or
14:27:57  <andythenorth> so
14:28:05  <Xaroth|Work> TrueBrain: explaining a bunch of offspore devs how to git properly.. so I have enough time to multitask between facedesking and typing here.
14:28:06  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
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14:28:15  <Eddi|zuHause> or 120
14:28:17  <TrueBrain> offspore
14:28:19  <TrueBrain> lolz
14:32:43  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: purno thinks you talk too much off-topic in tt-f in the 2ccTS thread. He might have a vague point there, even though he's always quick to complain
14:33:13  <Eddi|zuHause> well, sort of...
14:33:21  <Xaroth|Work> wait, Eddi|zuHause talks off-topic? when?!?
14:33:45  <andythenorth> what is "off-topic"?
14:33:47  <andythenorth> :P
14:34:25  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i do happen to pick up side-topic discussions, it's not exactly "off-topic" as it's almost always in reply to something
14:34:27  <TrueBrain> what are topics?
14:34:32  <TrueBrain> those things on my pizza?
14:34:44  <andythenorth> it's a chocolate bar I think
14:34:56  <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_(chocolate_bar)
14:35:00  <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's freezing foil
14:35:10  <andythenorth> bbl
14:35:16  <andythenorth> bet you're all glad about that
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15:32:17  <NGC3982> Can't i use an USB stick as a primary system device for a RPI?
15:32:51  <peter1139> It needs to load the kernel off the SD card, but once you've done that anything should be possible.
15:33:00  <Eddi|zuHause> why not?
15:33:05  <NGC3982> Oh, wait what.
15:33:10  <NGC3982> I'm in the wrong channel.
15:33:12  <NGC3982> But thanks!
15:33:40  <peter1139> :)
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15:34:10  <__ln__> NGC3982: This channel is the ultimate source of information about any topic.
15:34:57  <Xaroth|Work> and I fully agree with what peter1139 said
15:35:00  <Xaroth|Work> which is... strange
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15:41:15  <Eddi|zuHause> it's hard to disagree with a smilie
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15:45:38  <NGC3982> __ln__: You guys are well read, yes.
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15:46:50  <peter1139> s/well read/nerds/
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17:46:21  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: can I request rename of other people's grfs?
17:46:39  <andythenorth> also can you rename all my grfs lol.grf?
17:47:54  <TrueBrain> no to the first, sure to the latter; just post it :D
17:48:20  <andythenorth> I think we should have wiki style editing :P
17:48:35  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: don't make such suggestion if there is a chance that he'll actually do it :p
17:48:45  <andythenorth> I like to find out where his boundaries lie
17:48:47  <TrueBrain> so I Can rename all others to: fucking-bad.grf? :D
17:49:08  <andythenorth> what I like about TrueBrain is that you can never be sure what he might do :)
17:49:13  <Eddi|zuHause> is that the sequel to breaking-bad.grf?
17:49:24  <TrueBrain> I promise you, if you post it, they will be renamed :D
17:50:00  <planetmaker> tehehe. Were I you, I'd also take each request serious :)
17:50:42  <TrueBrain> and Tip of the day: I can be a BOFH :P
17:52:04  <planetmaker> should I amend my post accordingly: "Tip of the day: Truebrain can be a real BOFH"? :P
17:52:20  <TrueBrain> if you feel like it :P
17:53:41  <planetmaker> nah. Much more joyful if it sneaks up unseen :P
17:54:02  <TrueBrain> NOBODY expects the spannish inquisition!
17:54:08  <TrueBrain> owh, I Really should watch that serie again :D
17:54:16  <planetmaker> hm, which?
17:54:19  <TrueBrain> ....
17:54:27  <TrueBrain> okay, I have a problem now
17:54:30  <TrueBrain> I respect you too much to kick you
17:54:31  <planetmaker> ah, actually called like that :)
17:54:38  <TrueBrain> but you should be perma-banned for not knowing that
17:54:43  <planetmaker> except the mis-spelling :P
17:54:58  <planetmaker> lalala lala :)
17:55:19  <TrueBrain> how can you NOT know Monthy Python?
17:55:20  <TrueBrain> seriously ....
17:55:25  <planetmaker> Herewith I sentence myself to watching it again
17:55:39  <planetmaker> I do know Monty Python. But not every title by them :)
17:55:41  <Kjetil> ...... ?!
17:55:47  <TrueBrain> where did you grew up in ... in Germany or something? :P
17:55:56  <planetmaker> I'm notoriously bad in remembering titles
17:56:09  <planetmaker> you know, my cave ;)
17:56:10  <TrueBrain> it is something they repeated over and over again for like 10 episodes :P
17:56:19  <planetmaker> not here, I fear
17:56:24  <TrueBrain> Flying Circus
17:56:28  <TrueBrain> must watch! NOWWWW :P
17:57:06  <TrueBrain> and not the movies; the series :)
17:57:09  <TrueBrain> so much better :)
17:57:10  <planetmaker> watching now :)
17:57:17  <TrueBrain> \o/ \o/ :D
18:00:44  <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> NOBODY expects the spannish inquisition! <-- the fun part is actually, that the spanish inquisition gave you 30 days notice to prepare your defense
18:01:09  <TrueBrain> the fun part is, it is fun :D
18:02:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure monty python was banned in my country
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18:02:38  <TrueBrain> not surprised
18:03:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i've certainly not watched all of it
18:03:22  <Eddi|zuHause> (which has no connection to the previous statement)
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18:04:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i do remember it being on TV, but i was too young to appreciate it at that time
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18:06:29  <TrueBrain> GO WATHC IT NOOOOWWWWWUUUHHHHH
18:09:36  <Alberth> hi andy, eddy
18:09:44  <Alberth> *eddi (sorry)
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18:21:03  <andythenorth> lo Alberth
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18:41:30  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: unfortunately i have no time for distractions this next week or so
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18:45:16  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26397 trunk/src/lang/korean.txt (2014-03-11 18:45:09 UTC)
18:45:17  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:18  <DorpsGek> korean - 1 changes by telk5093
18:50:08  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1114161#p1114161 <-- I like your reply, Eddi|zuHause :)
18:51:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i do have my moments sometimes :)
18:52:24  <planetmaker> that guy really knows very little, assumes a lot, and reads very little
18:53:14  <planetmaker> and complains a lot, based on vague assumptions :P
18:56:33  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: which makes it very important to filter out the stuff that is actually relevant, like that the TTD(P)-conversion apparently doesn't apply the default palette
18:56:48  <planetmaker> might be, yes
18:57:39  <Eddi|zuHause> which probably nobody ever tested
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19:06:26  <Pikka> wjat
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19:10:51  <Eddi|zuHause> no.
19:11:30  <Eddi|zuHause> the correct greeting would be "wat jeht."
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19:37:15  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: Want to hear my tip of the day?
19:37:21  <andythenorth> I won't charge
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19:38:25  <TrueBrain> sure
19:38:27  <TrueBrain> give it to me
19:38:29  <TrueBrain> hard and slow
19:38:47  <andythenorth> ok
19:38:50  <andythenorth> don't
19:38:52  <andythenorth> use
19:38:54  <andythenorth> terms
19:38:55  <andythenorth> like
19:38:59  <andythenorth> tip of the day
19:39:28  <andythenorth> when you mean feature request
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19:39:33  <andythenorth> or usability idea
19:39:41  * andythenorth is being a dick
19:39:47  <andythenorth> blame the lack of curry
19:39:56  * Pikka blames the lack of curry
19:39:57  <andythenorth> send that man curry, ASAP!
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19:40:02  <andythenorth> more curry
19:40:15  <andythenorth> fortunately curry can be rectified using internets
19:40:16  <planetmaker> mooaar!
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19:40:28  <andythenorth> I don't know how far they deliver though http://currycafebristolonline.com
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19:41:52  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: (I am picking on you because you have opinions) - is connecting networks the right goal?
19:42:24  <andythenorth> should all nodes be connected in a single network?
19:42:31  <andythenorth> is that the best gameplay goal?
19:42:54  <Eddi|zuHause> context?
19:43:53  <andythenorth> cdist
19:43:56  <Eddi|zuHause> for symmetric cargos: yes, for asymmetric cargos: i don't see the point
19:44:16  <andythenorth> I am not bothering fonso because he gets enough silly cargodist discussions already
19:44:53  <andythenorth> I think one aspect of TTD has always been point-to-point, minimal node networks
19:45:02  <Pikka> if you have more than one train depot you're doing it wrong, imo.
19:45:02  <andythenorth> partly because in TTO, signals were crap :P
19:45:37  <andythenorth> I don't know if I'm very interested in connecting everything and moving cargo from all supply nodes to all accepting nodes
19:46:00  <Pikka> not usually, for cargo, no
19:46:19  <Phreeze> i really like the Pixel tool :D just needs some corrections, e.g the windows in the / and \ views differ
19:46:27  <Phreeze> once they are 2pixels wide, once 1pixel
19:46:40  <Phreeze> load this:
19:47:09  <Phreeze> (damn cant copy paste...)
19:47:37  <Phreeze> http://pastebin.com/6Juv7NR4
19:47:47  <Phreeze> use that url in: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/pixeltool/push/LATEST/
19:48:28  <Alberth> report a bug in the pixeltool project?
19:48:37  <Alberth> better, make a patch with a fix :)
19:48:49  <Phreeze> no time ;)
19:49:30  <andythenorth> connecting all PAX makes sense for gameplay
19:50:37  <Eddi|zuHause> that is pretty much what i said
19:51:06  <andythenorth> I'm trying to not mention reality :)
19:51:10  <andythenorth> or small world networks
19:51:49  <andythenorth> I like fonso's two proposals, I think they're interesting
19:52:46  <Phreeze> i like that guy in the forums that heavily complains about the signals-gui ^^
19:53:00  <Phreeze> contrary to him, i wonder why people still play TTD+that patching blabla
19:53:16  <planetmaker> psst, I was just forgetting about it
19:55:53  <Taede> it still exists?
19:56:19  <planetmaker> that's the right word, yes
19:56:22  <Taede> last time i played that was before i found openttd existed (0.4.something i believe)
19:59:39  <Phreeze> me2 ;)
19:59:53  <Phreeze> and by looking for some patch, i found openttd hehe
20:00:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i played TTDPatch 1.7
20:00:19  <planetmaker> around that time I found it, too.
20:00:35  <Phreeze> (i'm still wondering why some GRFs didn't make it to the fruit shop...annoying to look for them on abandoned webpages, like the canadian streets etc.)
20:00:36  <planetmaker> I had an OpenTTD 0.4.x somewhere. And really started playing around 0.5.3
20:00:56  <planetmaker> don't ask :)
20:01:09  <Eddi|zuHause> and then i had openttd 0.4.0, which is amazing because that was only available for a week
20:01:09  <planetmaker> they're outdated :D
20:01:10  <Alberth> Phreeze: the author doesn't want to
20:02:23  <Phreeze> hm why should he ?
20:02:29  <Phreeze> it's mainly oooool sets
20:02:54  <planetmaker> why should he bother?
20:02:57  <Phreeze> outdated yes, but working fine
20:03:08  <Phreeze> why should he make a newgrf then if he doesn't bother ^^
20:03:12  <Phreeze> wider audience etc.
20:03:33  <planetmaker> made ages ago, probably left community somewhen... ?
20:03:38  <Taede> then he gets ppl asking for new features, updated support, etc
20:03:43  <Phreeze> ^^
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20:08:03  <frosch123> Phreeze: some newgrfs can become pointless
20:08:14  <Eddi|zuHause> anything involving the word "canadian" should ring all alarm bells
20:08:23  <Phreeze> lol why :D
20:08:28  <Phreeze> i like them
20:08:30  <frosch123> e.g. today "someone" uploaded an ancient sprite font grf for "tahoma bold"
20:08:33  <Eddi|zuHause> long story
20:08:38  <planetmaker> don't ask :) ^
20:08:48  <frosch123> though you can just specify any ttf font in openttd.cfg for 7 years or so
20:09:03  <Phreeze> ah yeah, that's pointless
20:09:08  <planetmaker> I think he just uploads all his NewGRFs
20:09:09  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: and we still have no font picker window
20:09:29  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: yup, because noone needs it
20:09:43  <frosch123> you configure a font once per lifetime and then you are done with it
20:10:10  <planetmaker> but you really need to know your system well
20:10:12  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the problem starts when the automatically picked font is "wrong"
20:10:19  <planetmaker> to get the font name right and sometimes even paths
20:10:33  <Eddi|zuHause> also, people not knowing about the option don't know how to change font size
20:10:42  <planetmaker> there once was one. Worked only on linux irrc
20:10:54  <Eddi|zuHause> and people don't know what to type into the font name option
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20:11:54  <Phreeze> people that WANT to change the font, should know how to modify a config file
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20:12:10  <Phreeze> (same as people that want to run linux in a VM should know what a bios is...)
20:13:17  <__ln__> bios is some ancient technology from the 80's still being used in less advanced computers
20:14:47  <Phreeze> uefi...whatever
20:15:25  <Phreeze> (which is a pain in the $$$ if you have a HP laptop or so...closed like a nun's mumu)
20:16:44  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have any experience with nun's mumus
20:16:54  <Phreeze> does someone have a 9/8 template for trains ? (aka 8 views)
20:17:26  <__ln__> my advanced computer has neither bios nor uefi.
20:17:38  <Phreeze> what is it ? a tablet ? ;)
20:18:54  <Kjetil> openfirmware ?
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20:19:39  <__ln__> Kjetil: correct
20:19:41  <Kjetil> \o/
20:19:56  <Kjetil> What do I win ?
20:19:59  <__ln__> Phreeze: no, a fully functional laptop
20:21:20  <Phreeze> if it's that advanced, just because it's open....
20:21:30  <Phreeze> what CPU does it use ?
20:21:51  <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: do not check out CETS :p
20:22:00  <frosch123> i never had a laptop which you could not open
20:22:02  <__ln__> Kjetil: you win a 1-year space trip around the sun, onboard a planet.
20:22:11  <frosch123> isn't it pretty useless unless it is oened?
20:22:18  <__ln__> Phreeze: PowerPC G4
20:22:19  <Kjetil> cool! Can I bring a friend ?
20:22:43  <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: i have templates for 3 to 16, but "only" with 24 views
20:23:05  <Phreeze> that's ok too ;)
20:23:46  <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: well, then do check out CETS (on the devzone)
20:23:47  <Phreeze> i just should hit myself...created 4 trains with the pixeltool, with the wrong height...it misses 3 pixels
20:24:15  <fonsinchen> That thing is pretty darn hard to open, I can tell
20:25:39  <Phreeze> cets = central european train set i guess ?
20:28:18  <Kjetil> cets = misspelled cats
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20:30:36  <frosch123> aw, tb does not like coop :p
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20:31:35  <frosch123> (the other tb obviously)
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22:09:04  <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r26398 trunk/src/script/api/script_station.cpp (2014-03-11 22:08:58 UTC)
22:09:05  <DorpsGek> -Codechange/fix (26396): A tab that should be a space
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23:16:23  <Eddi|zuHause> german news is weird today... "who cares about Ukraine, Turkey, Syria... we have A TAX EVASION COURT CASE"
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