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00:03:12 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:44 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:10 <supermop> lunch time 00:33:40 <M3Henry1> mm, due to my offset sleeping pattern, it's pretty much that for me too xD 01:02:33 <dizzy__> so is there any reason to not just take out a huge loan and get planes 01:13:22 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:22 <Supercheese> Only if planes aren't available 01:24:29 <Supercheese> they're still the best option otherwise 01:32:13 <supermop> the only reason not to is that other vehicles are more fun 01:35:54 <Supercheese> Nothing to stop you from building other vehicles once planes are flying, of course 01:36:08 <Supercheese> but hey, it's OTTD, do whatcha want! 02:09:40 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:12:00 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 02:21:33 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:23:16 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:28:18 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:48:39 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:52:35 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 02:54:58 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:20 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 03:37:12 *** M3Henry1 [~Thunderbi@152.78.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:52 <Flygon> What if you're playing in the Steam era? 04:44:59 <Flygon> Or early Diesel era 04:45:07 <Flygon> And the best plane you got is the Zepplin? :P 04:52:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.189.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC664A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6778C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:05:18 <Supercheese> Zeppelins print cash 05:05:18 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:27 <Supercheese> Very good money makers when I use them 05:08:02 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:20:44 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33:01 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:21 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:17:16 <Supercheese> April 1... 1.4.0 release day? 06:19:38 <V453000> just opengfx :d 06:19:56 <V453000> so far 06:21:29 <Supercheese> Still plenty of time 06:21:40 <Supercheese> date hasn't even rolled over here in the west coast 06:24:46 <V453000> :d 06:25:10 <V453000> well dutchies arent very west :P 06:33:43 *** Extrems1 [~super@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 06:36:15 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:23 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:42:11 <Flygon> It's 5:41PM here 06:42:14 <Flygon> April First 06:42:27 <Flygon> But stuff April Fools jokes 06:42:35 <Flygon> I'mma play Pokemon Pinball for the first time in a decade 06:42:41 <Flygon> And. I. SUCK. 06:42:46 <Flygon> God DAMN, this game is evil. 06:49:45 *** Extrems1 [~super@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:06 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 07:00:26 <Supercheese> The only winning move... is not to play 07:04:53 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.181.230.7] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC vs your Irc client, what's the verdict? - www.adiirc.com] 07:14:38 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:24 <Supercheese> 'night 07:19:26 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:37:10 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 08:04:17 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 08:06:18 <planetmaker> moin 08:10:12 <V453000> hihi 08:10:21 <V453000> hm, model_life has Anything to do with vehicle_life? 08:10:45 <V453000> cause I have model life on 15, vehicle life on 50, and the vehicle from 1920 is still available in 1956 08:11:00 <V453000> or can that be related to cheating the game from 1930->1950? :D 08:20:20 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:28 <planetmaker> model life: When starting a new game, a random amount between 31 months and 17 years is added to this as well. 08:34:37 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Engine_life_cycle 08:37:31 <V453000> 17 years? :D 08:38:19 <NGC3982> How arbitrary. 08:39:45 <V453000> hm so retire_early wont influence that random amount eh 08:41:49 <planetmaker> I don't think so, yes 08:41:57 <planetmaker> but not entirely sure 08:47:42 <V453000> hmd 08:47:46 <V453000> hmf* 08:47:54 <V453000> I guess no way to go around that randomization eh 08:47:58 <V453000> 17 years is a shitload :( 08:48:40 <V453000> it would be super awesome if the spec would allow grf to set precise introduction date, and precise expiration date :| 08:48:56 <V453000> 2 years on introduction is meh, but 17 is really confusing lot 08:49:12 <V453000> who to bother :D 08:49:22 <planetmaker> it's only the lifetime 08:49:30 <planetmaker> so won't move to earlier years 08:49:37 <planetmaker> and newer vehicles are better anyway, no? :) 08:49:51 <V453000> sure but shortening purchase lists you know 08:50:25 <Pikka> something something fewer vehicles 08:51:02 <V453000> fewer vehicles could only be achieved by vehicles changing stats based on year 08:51:09 <V453000> which is awful, but yeah 08:53:16 <planetmaker> I mean... if the purchase list with expiring vehicles is too long. Then you have too many vehicles on that railtype 08:53:43 <planetmaker> The random factor in vehicle life definitely plays an extremly minor role in this consideration 09:07:19 <maddy_> hi folks 09:10:46 <V453000> it doesnt because if you want to replace one model with another, the expiring would be nice not to delay by decades 09:12:12 <planetmaker> V453000, you can always replace the model by another. The only thing is that the player can still buy the old model. but the new as well 09:12:16 <planetmaker> so... where's the problem? 09:12:43 <V453000> that the purchase list is 7 times longer for no reason 09:12:46 <V453000> -> confusing 09:12:53 <planetmaker> it won't be 7-times longer... 09:13:03 <planetmaker> you see problems where there aren't any really 09:13:13 <V453000> well if you replace that engine by 7 new trains 09:13:26 <V453000> e.g. it has 7 improvements within the class 09:13:36 <V453000> why have the older 6 available 09:13:36 <planetmaker> yeah, and if model life is 2 months. And if the moon turned blue ;) 09:14:00 <planetmaker> that's at best a factor of two 09:14:17 <V453000> ? 09:14:31 <planetmaker> *and*, it's random. Thus not *every*, but only very few will be available for long(er) 09:14:33 <planetmaker> so really... 09:15:24 <V453000> looks suspiciously consisteny in my current game 09:16:09 <planetmaker> for randomness a measurment of n=1 is a bad statistics 09:16:29 <planetmaker> especially when date cheats are in play 09:16:41 <V453000> yes the date cheat had an influence 09:16:42 <V453000> it is a bit random 09:17:56 <Pikka> V453000, why do you introduce updates so frequently that the seventh is introduced while the first is still available? 09:18:19 <V453000> Pikka: because it shouldnt be available, the random adding 17 years made it so 09:18:32 <V453000> well not 7, currently I have 1-4 available 09:18:52 <V453000> it still is strangely chaotic 09:19:44 <Pikka> if the gap between generations was more than 17 years, you'd never have more than one more than you're "supposed" to have available, right? 09:20:11 <Pikka> I realise that sentence is very hard to parse, but with context you know what I mean. :P 09:20:11 <V453000> yes and the player would get bored to death by having engines not frequently enough :) 09:20:44 <planetmaker> and with updates every 2 years the players won't use the vehicles as it becomes pointless to use the new ones. but rather wait for the next or even 2nd next 09:21:23 <V453000> trains within a class update at no less than 10 years in nuts pm 09:21:36 <V453000> if you consider there are 7 or more classes, yes it is less than 2 years 09:24:38 <V453000> but it isnt very common that players would upgrade cross-classes [more often than every 10 years] 09:27:29 <Taede> isnt it also unlikely people will use all classes within one company? 09:27:57 <Taede> you could add a parameter which disables 'advanced' classes, like meow and chami 09:28:28 <Taede> and wetrail 09:28:51 <V453000> it doesnt maky any sense to reduce amount of choices a player can make 09:28:57 *** NGC3982 [~kruger@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:15 <V453000> and they arent advanced in any way, anybody can use them easily if they have fun with them 09:29:27 <V453000> but yeah all classes within one company are not very likely 09:33:37 <Taede> but you are reducing the list to lower the threshold for new players right? 09:34:22 <V453000> in reasonable fashion 09:34:31 <V453000> removing all but one engine would solve that too? :P 09:34:55 <Taede> wouldnt it make more sense to reduce the number of available classes (by only allowing basic set, superstrong/strong/medium/fast/intercity/local) rather than reducing the number of engines from one class available at the same time? 09:34:58 <V453000> removing useless vehicles which got replaced by better ones isnt harming anything 09:35:08 <V453000> removing classes (== options) is harmful 09:35:30 <Taede> i can easily distinguish the best vehicle in a class, but which class to choose is less obvious 09:35:41 <V453000> not really, parameters like that could be majorly confusing and mainly limiting everybody on the server 09:35:48 <Taede> not unless i read the wiki, which is not what new players will do 09:35:52 <V453000> yes but if the purchase list has 150 vehicles, ... :) 09:37:10 <V453000> I dont want to add parameters which influence how it works, if someone sees nuts, it should work always the same 09:37:41 <V453000> if I wanted it to function differently, I would make different newGRF 09:38:49 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:39:35 <V453000> the thing I am trying to achieve is make it more convenient to use at no cost 09:44:26 <maddy_> what if the vehicle list had an option that you could toggle, to show 'recommended' engines or all of them? 09:46:27 *** fjb is now known as Guest5130 09:46:29 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:32 <V453000> but it doesnt have that option ... 09:47:00 <maddy_> though doesn't the setting to let vehicles expire kind of do what you want already? 09:48:10 <maddy_> ok I see the problem with that from previous conversation, had to catch up :) 09:50:29 <maddy_> easy fix: add a new advanced setting to disable the randomness which is added to the expiration date :) 09:51:53 <maddy_> no that sucks, what I really mean is add a flag for newGRF trainsets so they can disable it 09:53:29 *** Guest5130 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:57 <Flygon> Man 09:54:01 <Flygon> VR would drive you guys nuts 09:54:21 <Flygon> They basically rehashed the B-class so many times from 1950 to 1980 it's... well, interesting 09:54:29 <Flygon> The S-class, the X-class... the... uh... 09:54:39 <Flygon> Okay, perhaps they did release rehashes that were more powerful :| 10:12:05 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.181.230.7] has joined #openttd 10:20:52 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:27:05 <V453000> that is exactly what was suggesting maddy_ 10:35:32 <maddy_> yeah, I know, I just agreed that would be a good idea 10:36:21 <V453000> sure sure :) 10:37:03 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 10:38:39 <maddy_> I haven't looked at the GRF interface, but I would imagine adding one simple boolean flag would not be a huge task? I hope it is easily extendable with new stuff 10:39:34 <V453000> I guess 10:39:44 <V453000> consulting with frosch123 sounds like a good idea 10:39:56 <V453000> -> me iz waiting for that 11:04:22 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 11:09:48 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 11:10:27 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 11:33:42 *** M3Henry [~Thunderbi@152.78.171.134] has joined #openttd 11:33:59 <M3Henry> G'day 11:40:18 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5086 @ V453000 11:45:27 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 11:46:20 <V453000> hm :D 11:48:00 <V453000> that basically means I can forget about such a function I assume 11:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: what problem do you have? retire_early other than 0 should circumvent the end-of-life randomization 11:49:27 <V453000> what? 11:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it randomizes the length of phase 3, but retire_early is based on phase 2? 11:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (or have i misunderstood stuff?) 12:01:47 <V453000> I dont think I understand how this works anymore :D 12:01:51 <V453000> confused 12:02:44 <planetmaker> V453000, try to set an early retirement 12:03:08 <planetmaker> which may be negative. But set one 12:04:12 <mg_> hi, if i would like to start a new game with 1.4-RC1, will my save be compatible with final stable 1.4 when it comes out? 12:05:18 <planetmaker> mg_, any game started with an official OpenTTD version can be loaded with any later official OpenTTD version 12:05:55 <planetmaker> so: yes. of course. 12:07:55 <mg_> great thanks 12:14:26 <planetmaker> what does *not* work, is going back to an *earlier* version of OpenTTD. That usually includes going back from a nightly release to a stable or testing release. But that's not what you asked :) 12:16:46 <mg_> yeah, i get that :) 12:18:36 <mg_> btw. i'm here first time and i've been playing original tycoon when i was a kid. so, i would like to thank all of you for doing this :) 12:19:21 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 12:26:01 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:49 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:40 <planetmaker> :) 12:50:16 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 13:28:55 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:00:10 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9817 14:02:23 <__ln___> i guess he wants to se he won't buy the record because it's scratched 14:24:04 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:38 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40:38 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:01 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "it would be cheaper to tear down berlin and rebuild it near an operational airport" 14:49:03 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 14:57:24 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.53.18] has joined #openttd 14:58:01 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:19:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:21:54 <andythenorth> no April 1 trolls? 15:21:56 <andythenorth> :( 15:29:47 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 15:44:00 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:52:48 <V453000> nutz not troll enuf? 16:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> how about some music instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TywTfAQNf3w 16:29:45 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@13-17-191-195.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:01 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@13-17-191-195.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:03 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:25 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:53:37 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.53.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:52 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.53.18] has joined #openttd 17:09:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:15:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0092e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:23 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BBBE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:48:57 <frosch123> fs#5961 is funny, wouldn't have thought of that 17:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> now someone finally decouple road side from signal side. and then make it a company setting. and then show the links depending on whether it's a road link or a train link :p 17:53:24 <frosch123> the former has been done 2 years ago 17:53:29 <frosch123> the latter makes no sense 17:53:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:54:37 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.53.18] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played for two years 17:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (and i probably would not have noticed anyway) 17:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause> this is a great aprils fools joke: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-misled-on-interrogation-program-senate-report-says/2014/03/31/eb75a82a-b8dd-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html 18:00:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:41 <Wolf01> hi hi 18:14:10 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D98.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:28 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26439 /branches/1.4 (7 files in 4 dirs) (2014-04-01 18:29:34 UTC) 18:29:41 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation 18:33:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26440 /tags/1.4.0 (9 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-01 18:33:16 UTC) 18:33:23 <DorpsGek> -Release 1.4.0 18:34:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:04 <Xaroth|Work> 1.4.0 on 1/4/14 \o/ 18:34:47 <frosch123> exactly :p 18:35:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:19 <mg_> :-) 18:39:18 <andythenorth> o/ 19:01:08 *** JerikTelorian [~Jerik@c-68-80-55-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:00 *** Jerik_Telorian [~Jerik@c-68-80-55-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:40 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:08:29 *** Jerik [~Jerik@c-68-80-55-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:28 *** JerikTelorian [~Jerik@c-68-80-55-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:53 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:34 <LordAro> \o/ 19:33:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 19:41:36 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.0 19:41:36 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 19:43:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:46 <LordAro> frosch123, wiki updated ^^ 19:49:01 <frosch123> thanks :) 19:50:58 <LordAro> hmm, aren't there "feature" templates, which show which feature was added when? 19:51:06 <LordAro> i wonder if those have been updated.. 19:51:35 <frosch123> yes 19:51:42 <frosch123> they are updated on making the branch 19:52:04 <frosch123> we may need a new concept for them at some point though :p 19:52:12 <frosch123> they keep getting wider and wider :p 19:54:01 <LordAro> jusdt remove the old ones :) 19:54:13 <frosch123> well, but they contain the most info :p 19:54:22 *** glx_ [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3d1f:359c:9f6a:45cf] has joined #openttd 19:54:22 *** glx is now known as Guest5170 19:54:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 19:54:22 *** glx_ is now known as glx 19:54:45 <frosch123> i guess we just need a more compact representation 19:54:55 <frosch123> some type of gauge with labels, instead of individual checkboxes 19:57:22 <LordAro> i've never been good at mediawiki templates, so i'll let you do that :p 19:58:43 <frosch123> pff, it's more html magic than mediawiki :p 19:59:16 <frosch123> i learned html in the first browser war, around 1999; no idea about css and stuff :p 19:59:47 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D98.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 20:00:06 <frosch123> but apparently javascript is stilll around :p 20:00:23 *** Guest5170 [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:23 <LordAro> indeed 20:00:24 <frosch123> while jscript is not 20:00:36 <LordAro> i'ts more jquery now though, afaik 20:01:15 <LordAro> i don't do a huge amount of webdev stuff, i don't use me as a reliable source ;) 20:03:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> todays episode of "grandpa tells stories from the war"? 20:06:56 <peter1138> 1999? late-comer! 20:08:31 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: so, whose side were you on during the war? 20:09:56 <peter1138> netscape navigator, hah, ver 3 20:10:54 <frosch123> i think the hpux machines in the student pool ran 2.1 or something 20:12:37 <__ln___> luxuries 20:14:14 <andythenorth> ver 3 was like a serious upgrade 20:14:21 <andythenorth> it had more colours 20:26:37 <frosch123> blathijs: heffer: we have a new release (surprise) :) 20:27:04 <planetmaker> best WS I worked on was an Irix with True64 20:27:43 <planetmaker> they also had something like that netscape. And also there was an internet explorer 2.x or so 20:27:46 <planetmaker> funny enough 20:28:01 <frosch123> ie 2.x on irix? 20:28:08 <frosch123> i dbout that :p 20:31:32 <planetmaker> maybe I'm wrong in my memory about version. But I *think* it was the Irix. 20:33:23 <planetmaker> hm... maybe I was wrong and it was one of the SPARCS or HP-UX and version then 4. 20:33:44 <planetmaker> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer#Internet_Explorer_f.C3.BCr_Unix 20:34:04 <planetmaker> But I (and not only I) wondered back then in 1997 about the IE on a machine one definitely wouldn't expect to find it 20:34:32 <frosch123> hm, didn't know those existed either 20:35:17 <frosch123> but, actually, ... from mac to unix it is not that far 20:35:55 <planetmaker> looking at that wiki page it was vice versa ;) 20:36:29 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 20:36:41 <__ln___> frosch123: mac os classic wasn't unix at all. 20:36:43 <michi_cc> MacOS Not-X to Unix is actually very far. 20:37:16 <frosch123> really? 20:37:25 <frosch123> hmm 20:37:44 <frosch123> but ok, \r does not sound unixy 20:39:10 <frosch123> planetmaker: according to that wiki page 5.2.3 was releassed before 5.1.7 20:39:16 <frosch123> (both for mac) 20:39:48 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:50 <frosch123> oh, and actually both way after 5.5b1 20:39:59 <frosch123> those dates are completely random 20:40:18 <planetmaker> yes, those versions were in 2005 or so. the unix ones in 1998 20:40:27 <planetmaker> but I wonder when the first mac IEs appeared 20:47:00 <planetmaker> mac 8.1 is 1998. So seems about the same time 20:59:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6BBBE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:37 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 21:07:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BBBE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i think i learned html in 10th grade, 1998-ish, but i didn't really use the internet back then 21:11:13 <frosch123> well, i have no idea when i learned basic html 21:11:39 <andythenorth> I was born knowing *basic* html 21:11:42 <andythenorth> isnât everyone? 21:11:57 <frosch123> but at some point there was the issue that you had to program all advanced scripting twice 21:12:01 <frosch123> for two browesers :p 21:12:11 <andythenorth> or not bother 21:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that's why i favoured non-script-y stuff :) 21:12:35 <frosch123> scripts were the fun part :p 21:12:43 <andythenorth> scripts were the non-working part 21:12:50 <andythenorth> I lost a whole day to a simple image gallery once 21:12:53 <rubidium> isn't that still the case? 21:12:56 <andythenorth> hence flash instead 21:13:03 <frosch123> i remember writing a spring-physics engine to let a navigation bar flly in 21:13:06 <frosch123> and expand subitems 21:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i learned a bit of java applets at start of university 21:13:20 <rubidium> (at least if you still need 'support for at work', i.e. IE6) 21:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but i have never ever seen a use for it 21:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause> my diploma thesis included a "export this interface as webservice" bit 21:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if it actually worked properly 21:15:51 <frosch123> ah, it was actually 98 21:15:54 <frosch123> 1997 21:16:43 <frosch123> with some mates i participated in a start-up game organised by some banks 21:16:53 <frosch123> which involved creating a website for your virtual company 21:17:42 <frosch123> which was such a fake-scam that we actually got a cooperation-contact-query by a real company :o 21:17:51 <andythenorth> also bedtime 21:17:52 <andythenorth> bye 21:17:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:20:53 <planetmaker> lol, awesome, frosch123 :) 21:23:30 <frosch123> hmm, the way-back-machine nows the url and the page title, but does not seem to have the actual data stored 21:23:59 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:42 <Wolf01> 'night 21:24:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:26:41 <frosch123> well, i guess it was due to us listing all important companies on our "partner" page :p 21:27:05 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 21:27:30 <planetmaker> :DD 21:27:39 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:00 <frosch123> hmm, the url is even used by a company today 21:29:09 <frosch123> same company name :ÃŒp 21:29:34 <frosch123> maybe we could have sold the url, if we kept it 21:44:59 <planetmaker> :) 21:45:06 <planetmaker> what is / was it? 21:46:06 <frosch123> http://web.archive.org/web/20020605130509/http://www.netcom-technologies.de/ 21:46:46 <frosch123> we used some dodgy contract to get a free url, which required us to run the website for years 21:47:13 <frosch123> until the company offering the free urls went defunct 21:47:32 <frosch123> but since we were hosting it on university servers, there was no issue with keeping it up :p 21:47:51 <planetmaker> haha :) 21:47:58 <frosch123> your do silly things as pupil :p 21:48:43 <frosch123> anyway, the only thing that is archived apparently is the frameset 21:48:49 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:49:00 <planetmaker> yeah, seems so. Not much to see. Sadly 21:49:23 <frosch123> well, likely it would not run properly anyway on current browsers 21:49:33 <frosch123> it runs on ns 4.0 and ie 4.0 :) 21:49:48 <planetmaker> the html should still work? 21:50:20 <frosch123> yes, the plain pages, but the navigation was all javascript 21:50:30 <frosch123> animated buttons which move around and such 21:52:38 <planetmaker> hm, I wonder :) 21:56:41 <glx> animated gifs everywhere ? 21:57:10 <planetmaker> hm. I just got a vote for a titlegame :D 21:57:23 <glx> too late I'd say :) 21:57:32 <planetmaker> looks like ;) 21:58:10 <frosch123> round 1 or 2? 21:58:20 <planetmaker> Round2. He voted for the one we shipped today. 21:58:29 <glx> lucky 21:58:48 <frosch123> fast reaction time :) 22:00:02 <planetmaker> I think I'll reply that we released it already in anticipation of his decisive vote :P 22:00:10 <glx> :) 22:01:49 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:59 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 22:05:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:13:00 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:23 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Quit: That's all folks!] 22:14:38 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:25 <frosch123> night 22:16:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0092e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:18:00 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 22:18:29 <planetmaker> seems to have been the typical case of "first read, then send, then read the rest of the page". He said he noticed at the moment he sent the e-mail :D 22:18:52 <planetmaker> that deadline was 2 weeks ago 22:20:15 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 22:32:35 <mg_> :) 22:33:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:50:18 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:08 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:53:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:00:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-0-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:21 <supermop> very tempted to go out for a magic but i reckon i should save the money and make coffee at home 23:16:19 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 23:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSpFRcTeUQ4 23:36:14 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 23:36:47 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:29 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 23:37:38 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:44 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:14 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 23:51:24 <supermop> over-extracted 23:51:28 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.181.230.7] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.3 Beta Build (2014/04/01-2) 64 Bit] 23:52:01 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.181.230.7] has joined #openttd