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(www.adiirc.com)] 04:46:22 <Supercheese> Hee, fun translation: "Thickness of lines" -> "Crassitudo linearum" 04:48:08 <Supercheese> I must now find a way to use the English word "crassitude" in a conversation 04:54:09 <Supercheese> Yay, ablative supines 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67FD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66D0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:00:34 <Supercheese> Triple ablative supine clauses, whew 05:58:25 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:34 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:c892:67:2552:21b5] has joined #openttd 06:05:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DCDE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:10:27 <andythenorth> o/ 06:28:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6C1B1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:33:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DCDE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:44:09 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:01:09 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 07:02:54 <peter1138> well i suppose someone needs to keep latin alive? 07:16:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:48 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 07:23:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:29:55 *** BekarfelPC [~here@184-8-105-215.dr04.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:05 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 07:52:45 <BekarfelPC> how do I rotate my view in OpenTTD 1.4.2? 07:56:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:19 <__ln__> turn your head 07:57:22 <b_jonas> BekarfelPC: you can't do that. many tiles just don't have rotated graphics. 07:58:37 <BekarfelPC> what a horrible game 07:59:18 <b_jonas> use the transparency settings to show what's behind trees and buildings 07:59:40 <andythenorth> heâs right 07:59:42 <andythenorth> itâs horrible 07:59:44 <andythenorth> we should quit 08:00:15 <BekarfelPC> I ain't quit yet, so stuff it, andythenorth 08:00:23 * andythenorth stuffs it 08:00:26 <andythenorth> where is it now though? 08:00:30 <b_jonas> incidentally, has openttd implemented that option where transparency applies only to the tiles on the bottom half of the screen, like in ttdpatch? 08:00:50 <BekarfelPC> it's stuff'd. 'nuff said 08:01:06 <andythenorth> is it a bot? 08:02:11 <BekarfelPC> no. I am not a bot. what makes you think I'm a bot. I'M INNOCENT I SAY!@$?@#%#^y%$^&%$&*%&*(^& 08:02:20 * planetmaker can't even imagine how and where that would be useful, b_jonas 08:02:34 <andythenorth> how do you know youâre not a bot? 08:02:45 <planetmaker> andythenorth, mind your matrix ;) 08:03:04 <andythenorth> planetmaker: are you a bot? 08:03:08 <planetmaker> I also heard rumours of an american roster set? 08:03:11 <b_jonas> hmm, well, more useful might be some way to mark squares containing trees in such a way that the overlapping transparent tree silhouettes don't cover all the squares behind 08:03:13 <planetmaker> probably 08:03:18 <b_jonas> like, with little circles on the ground or something 08:03:22 <BekarfelPC> my charging outlet tells me so 08:03:49 <planetmaker> except I malfunction as a bot :P 08:04:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: american roster set? o_O 08:04:35 <planetmaker> read your IH thread :P 08:04:41 <andythenorth> ha 08:04:43 <andythenorth> I saw that 08:04:50 <BekarfelPC> I am so confused 08:04:51 <andythenorth> weâre not doing american next 08:05:10 <andythenorth> something else planned 08:05:17 <planetmaker> what's next? 08:05:19 <andythenorth> american will happen later 08:05:21 <planetmaker> bandit revived? 08:05:33 <andythenorth> finish Squid, do Road Hog 08:05:43 <planetmaker> hm :) good prospect, I guess 08:05:52 <planetmaker> squid rcs are nice. But told you already :) 08:06:12 <planetmaker> heck, it made me really enjoy a game for leasure only after quite some time :) 08:06:14 <andythenorth> theyâre nearly done, just need pikka to do hover zellepins 08:06:23 <planetmaker> and w/o game script :) 08:06:31 <andythenorth> and I need to do an extra tanker 08:07:00 <planetmaker> it got about the right stepping in cargo capacity with that set. Kudos really :) 08:07:08 <andythenorth> thanks :) 08:07:11 <andythenorth> it took some work 08:07:15 <andythenorth> lots of back and forth 08:07:23 <planetmaker> yeah. Well. It paid off, I think 08:07:24 <andythenorth> I know this re-designing isnât popular 08:07:31 <andythenorth> but I donât see how else to make it good 08:07:51 * planetmaker doesn't quite care so much. If one doesn't like a new(er) version, just use the old 08:08:24 <andythenorth> I also learnt how much MB got right with NewShips 08:08:35 <andythenorth> Squid kind of has similar roster in the end 08:08:40 <andythenorth> and unrealistically fast speeds 08:09:06 <b_jonas> realism... aww 08:10:01 <planetmaker> well, 40 km/h is not that unrealistic, tbh 08:14:07 <andythenorth> r/l is more like 25km/h 08:16:08 *** BekarfelPC [~here@184-8-105-215.dr04.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net] has left #openttd [] 08:22:49 <V453000> ... 08:26:48 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 08:27:58 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:50 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 08:31:59 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:26 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 08:50:35 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 08:52:50 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:59:35 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 09:43:03 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:30 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:57:32 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 09:59:40 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:06 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Quit: Do something right, noone remembers. 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Is this possible? If not, are there any good workarounds? 11:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to enable cargo distribution (anything other than "manual") for this to work 11:37:08 *** Guest944 [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you need a vehicle set that allows refitting at stations (autorefit) 11:38:20 <jA_cOp> Ah neat, I see it has a wiki article and I'm using 1.4.3-RC2, so I should be able to use it. Thanks 11:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the default vehicles cannot do this, but for example opengfx+trains 11:38:38 <jA_cOp> Both trains have both goods and coal carriages 11:38:51 <jA_cOp> not the most efficient but it should work without refitting, right? 11:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, that can work as well, then 11:49:07 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 11:50:21 *** pure [~jroberts@li504-25.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 11:50:24 <pure> Hello! 11:51:01 * pure wonders. Is there much different between the stable release and nightly builds at the moment? 11:51:18 <b_jonas> jA_cOp: I usually just put them on separate trains, but one train can work as well 11:51:50 <Eddi|zuHause> pure: there is no comprehensive changelog yet, so it's difficult to tell 11:52:00 <b_jonas> but you know power stations don't produce goods, right? :) 11:52:26 <jA_cOp> It's not the power station that produces the goods, it's a sawmill 11:53:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:53:43 <pure> Do power stations actually do anything, that said? 11:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no 11:54:40 <b_jonas> pure: they pay you lots of money, very useful in early game. and they emit smoke, which you can now hide if you make industries transparent. 11:54:54 <pure> Ha 11:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> they just eat your coal. actually, it isn't your coal. 11:55:50 <pure> So they don't do anything with the coal? 11:56:04 <b_jonas> they burn it 11:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> do you do anything with your food? 11:56:07 <V453000> they burn it duh :D 11:56:07 <V453000> realistic 11:56:52 <pure> I mean, it doesn't make power to make factories more efficient or anything ;) 11:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no 11:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> neither does it affect your electrified railways 11:57:43 <pure> It should! 11:58:24 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:35 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:37 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:00:43 <b_jonas> pure: in some newgfxs, coal works like in locomotion in that you can transport it to either a power station or a steel mill, and a steel mill requires both coal and iron ore 12:01:40 <b_jonas> those steel mills also have nice graphics 12:01:48 <b_jonas> not realistic, but nice 12:02:02 <b_jonas> with sparkle and molten metal flowing if the mill is active 12:03:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 12:03:18 <andythenorth> o/ 12:03:24 <pure> 0Heh 12:03:34 <pure> Is it Simutrans where power stations actually do stuff? 12:05:44 <b_jonas> dunno, maybe it's Civilization? 12:05:50 <pure> So, if the commuter airport has more throughput than city airports, do they replace city airports if they've not already been replaced by metripolitans? 12:06:03 <b_jonas> no wait 12:06:08 <b_jonas> it's Simcity 12:06:51 <b_jonas> pure: what do you mean "replace"? 12:07:16 <pure> Make redundant/obselete? 12:07:19 <b_jonas> I don't think large airports in the default gfx are ever replaced 12:07:36 <b_jonas> I don't think so, because the larger airports are probably more expensive to construct and maintain 12:08:14 <pure> Though commuter still count as small airports, so they can't handle jets? 12:09:13 <b_jonas> pure: no, I don't think so 12:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> some aircraft sets have planes that can land on small airports even in late stages of the game 12:09:33 <b_jonas> http://wiki.openttd.org/Airport#City says the City Airport "is the first airport available that can handle jet aircraft" 12:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> commuter counts as small airport 12:10:33 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: I think even the default set has those, but those airplanes are usually not worth to use 12:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't usually use aircraft anyway 12:10:59 <b_jonas> they have a too small capacity 12:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> they have terrible capacity 12:11:04 <b_jonas> http://wiki.openttd.org/Air_Comparison shows 12:11:18 <pure> I am considering having a sort of branching system for my airports, with a single intercontinental serving some internationals serving metro/cities, with some city/metros serving commuters. 12:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> allegedly, the international airport can handle more aircraft than the intercontinental 12:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> due to some inefficiencies in the ground routing 12:12:49 <pure> Right, even thought the intercon has double the runways? 12:14:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 12:14:45 <pure> I wonder if sticking to intercontinental airports together would be an alright idea. 12:15:38 <b_jonas> pure: you can't do that, not with the default setting of station spread 12:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot combine airports 12:15:56 <pure> Yes, but if you amped up the station spread? 12:16:10 <pure> Ah 12:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can have separate stations and connect them with a shuttle bus or tram 12:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause> with cargodist 12:16:39 <b_jonas> pure: if you want to handle such large traffic, trains are usually more efficient 12:16:45 <pure> Is it possible to have airplanes intelligently route to the station with the least traffic? 12:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause> no 12:20:15 <peter1138> tempted to enable cdist for passengers in my next game 12:20:54 <__ln__> pure: for every question involving "is it possible to do ____ intelligently", the answer is no. 12:21:04 <pure> I tend to have it enabled for all cargo. 12:21:10 <pure> __ln__: ha 12:21:40 <pure> Are helicopters ever better than just having a bus connected to an airport? 12:22:38 <b_jonas> pure: dunno, maybe if you have a challenge like transfer passengers to all oil rigs 12:38:31 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.29/20140909085502]] 12:48:03 *** Pinkbeas1 [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has joined #openttd 12:53:18 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:53:55 *** Pinkbeas1 [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:56:45 <pure> I always thought that oil rigs weren't worth it for how manage passangers they give 13:00:03 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:34 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 13:41:40 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:28 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:20 *** ST2 [~ST2@118.107.136.95.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 14:15:23 *** xT2 [~ST2@118.107.136.95.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:22 *** jrambo [~jrambo@109-92-12-148.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 14:36:38 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 14:37:58 *** johnrambo [~jrambo@212.200.213.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:32 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Quit: I never know what I want until someone says I can't have it] 14:55:42 <pure> Is there any sort of roadmap for 1.4/1.5? 14:57:16 <planetmaker> 1.4 is finished and will only receive bug fixes till 1.5 is released 14:57:36 <planetmaker> and there's no road map. Stuff happens and gets written. And that will be included in 1.5 14:57:50 *** djmattyg [~AndChat63@CPE-120-149-26-157.oirx1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:58:08 <planetmaker> If you play our nightlies you get a pretty good idea of what 1.5 will look like. They're 1.5.0-alpha 14:58:39 <djmattyg> What sorts of things are planned for 1.5? 14:59:09 <planetmaker> roadmap is the same as planning :) 14:59:41 <planetmaker> no-one can say really. Whatever takes people's fancy, what they finalize such that it can get included 15:02:21 <planetmaker> however there's a somewhat maintained todo list in the wiki: http://wiki.openttd.org/Todo_list 15:02:37 <planetmaker> if *someone* takes on those tasks, they've a really high chance :) 15:04:48 <djmattyg> Thanks for the link 15:06:20 <b_jonas> high chance of what? 15:07:25 <b_jonas> is the group of a vehicle displayed somewhere in the vehicle dialog box or one of its sub-dialogs; as opposed to the vehicles list? 15:07:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:07:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 15:11:17 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:40 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:19:41 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:31:25 *** djmattyg [~AndChat63@CPE-120-149-26-157.oirx1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:51:04 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 15:54:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:13 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:07:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:29:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 16:40:09 <pure> planetmaker: is there a list of stuff that's in the nightlies but not in stable? 16:41:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74099f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:14 * pure would love to see shared infrastructure be a thing, that said. 16:43:23 <Alberth> pure: mostly all commits labeled "feature" since last march or so 16:43:41 <Alberth> quak 16:43:46 * pure nods. 16:44:33 <planetmaker> quak and hi :) 16:44:39 <Alberth> hi hi planetmaker 16:44:44 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/backport.txt <-- without any guarantee of being complete 16:45:21 <pure> Is the git repo literally just a mirror to svn? 16:45:27 <planetmaker> yes 16:45:32 <frosch123> except it is only trunk 16:45:52 <frosch123> moin everyone :) 16:46:11 * pure still can't bring himself to like svn :P 16:46:26 <frosch123> it would be worse the other way around :p 16:46:55 <pure> git is beautiful :p 16:46:55 * Alberth can't love git 16:47:19 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 16:48:00 * planetmaker wouldn't like being forced to mess with git 16:48:04 * pure started with git, so finds everything else alien. 16:48:15 <frosch123> yeah, then you are stuck :p 16:48:38 <pure> I -can- use svn, I just don't fully understand it nor why it does stuff like it do :P 16:48:46 <Sylf> you're so lucky that git was available when you started with version controls 16:49:09 <frosch123> though he was unlucky to not find hg first 16:49:13 <Rubidium> there's one major drawback to git, at least at my office... 16:49:36 <Rubidium> people forget to commit stuff, so undoubtedly they forget to push stuff as well 16:49:46 <Alberth> :) 16:49:56 <planetmaker> lol :) 16:49:58 <Sylf> aye. 16:50:08 <andythenorth> git ftw 16:50:09 <frosch123> rather common issue 16:50:09 <Sylf> no tool is a silverbullet against human errors 16:50:17 <Rubidium> and since they're commit 2 weeks of work at once kind of guys, the extra push step is kinda a PITA 16:50:21 <andythenorth> dunno why, but git vastly suits me more than hg 16:50:26 <andythenorth> itâs not better, just better fitted to me 16:50:39 <andythenorth> engineers seem to confuse âis betterâ with âfits me better' 16:50:54 <andythenorth> and then reach for pseudo-objective bullshit to back up their prejudice :P 16:50:56 <pure> oh, no, no, no 16:51:01 <pure> git is objectively better ;) 16:51:08 <Sylf> I haven't had a chance to use git or hg yet.... 16:51:08 <Rubidium> having said that, I wouldn't want to dare to do complex merges because even a simple merge requires manually copying code... 16:51:18 *** JorickL [JorickL@5468E41B.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:54 <planetmaker> Sylf, as piece of advice: if you do, start with hg first. 16:52:08 <pure> git does handle merges pretty well. 16:52:09 <Sylf> convincing my office to use any kind of version control was hard enough... 16:52:35 <Rubidium> pure: arguably git doesn't do binary merges of LabVIEW files 16:53:01 <Sylf> I see that hg is what coop dev site uses, so that helps, pm. 16:53:16 <planetmaker> Sylf, I'm still having that hard time. I simply setup a repo and made use of it. And if collegues ask me for some of my code I direct them at that server :) 16:53:21 <planetmaker> That slowly seems to work 16:53:25 <planetmaker> very slowly, but does 16:53:41 <pure> well, no, but can any SVC do that out of the box? (Also, -source code-, LabVIEW files aren't exactly source code :P) 16:54:03 <planetmaker> sure they are source code. What else? 16:54:09 <pure> Binary files 16:54:21 <andythenorth> meh 16:54:22 <pure> Source code by definition is text, surely? 16:54:29 <frosch123> nfs is far supporior to vcs then :P 16:54:33 <andythenorth> Iron Horse has 8 BAD FEATURES 16:54:36 <Sylf> my first exposure to version control was cvs. I'll survive anything. 16:54:36 <andythenorth> the limit is 3 :( 16:54:46 <Rubidium> pure: true, none can... but with git you tend to do development and merge, whereas with svn that isn't the basic idea 16:54:48 <Sylf> as long as it's anything newer than cvs. 16:55:02 <frosch123> how about sccs or rcs then? 16:55:09 <andythenorth> bzr 16:55:12 <Alberth> frosch123: it's not newer :p 16:55:14 <planetmaker> haha, Sylf :) That one I tried ages ago. I found it... extremely unintuitive to use 16:55:18 <pure> Though, iirc, git might support plugins for merging certain files and stuff 16:55:24 <frosch123> Alberth: psst :) 16:56:17 <Sylf> I'll just survive. Not make a full use out of them :D 16:56:24 <planetmaker> :) 16:56:24 <frosch123> how about an advanced setting to hide the fast-forward button? 16:56:40 <pure> Though with binaries files, I'd just merge based upon modified date/whichever one is mine, rather than diff. 16:56:42 <frosch123> keeps people from complaining that it is too fast resp. not faster at all 16:56:42 <Alberth> lol 16:56:54 <planetmaker> hehe 16:57:31 <Alberth> pure: good luck in a distributed system then 16:57:33 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:08 <pure> Though diffing well know file types shouldn't be too hard. There must be pngdiff and stuff along those lines. 16:58:16 * pure digresses and wanders off. 16:58:32 <frosch123> labview is not well known, it even fails to load its own files from 2 versions ago 16:58:56 <Alberth> :) 16:58:59 <frosch123> but, ok, my knowledge starts to age about labview 16:59:16 <frosch123> i guess i just it 2006 the last time or so 16:59:26 <frosch123> *used 16:59:35 <Alberth> I have seen it, that's about it :) 16:59:38 <planetmaker> I didn't use it for two years probably. But ... yeah, it's a pita. I learned the hard way that it's a bad idea to update your labview install 16:59:41 <Rubidium> frosch123: 8.6.1 to 2012 went relatively fine 16:59:58 <planetmaker> good that I still had the backup clone of the hard disk :) 17:00:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:00:06 <Alberth> :) 17:02:24 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:03:58 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E24.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:27 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:08:33 <DanMacK> Hey all 17:09:55 <Alberth> hi hi 17:14:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26828 trunk/src/openttd.cpp (2014-09-16 17:14:07 UTC) 17:14:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix: memory leak when passing -c multiple times 17:19:57 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:20:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 17:26:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-85-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:36:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B59E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:39 <V453000> what could be the cause of this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI/asdf4.png 17:40:48 <V453000> I have default extends and NOCROP as flag for the building sprites 17:41:24 <V453000> offsets are probably not correct either but idk if that could be the cause 17:41:41 <V453000> things arent just offset as a whole, rather messed up in general 17:41:47 <Sylf> demented factory 17:42:25 <V453000> that it is 17:47:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26829 /trunk/src/lang (7 files in 2 dirs) (2014-09-16 17:47:02 UTC) 17:47:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:47:18 <DorpsGek> finnish - 19 changes by jpx_ 17:47:19 <DorpsGek> persian - 65 changes by Garga 17:47:20 <DorpsGek> polish - 4 changes by wojteks86 17:47:21 <DorpsGek> russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:47:22 <DorpsGek> swedish - 31 changes by spacejens 17:47:23 <DorpsGek> urdu - 80 changes by siphr 17:47:24 <DorpsGek> welsh - 42 changes by kazzie 17:51:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74099f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 17:52:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74099f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26830 trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt (2014-09-16 17:56:15 UTC) 17:56:23 <DorpsGek> -Fix: WT3 string validation 17:56:59 <andythenorth> DanMacK: o/ 17:57:25 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:02 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:15 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.52.234] has joined #openttd 18:37:05 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:42:49 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 18:43:04 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 18:46:16 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 18:54:08 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:32:58 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 19:54:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:55 <Wolf01> o/ 19:59:41 <__ln__> buonasera, signore. 20:05:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26831 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (4 files) (2014-09-16 20:05:21 UTC) 20:05:28 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: (bogus) warning about falling through in a switch 20:06:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26832 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (sqapi.cpp sqclosure.h) (2014-09-16 20:06:05 UTC) 20:06:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: ensure instance variable of SQNativeClosure is properly initialized 20:06:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26833 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (sqapi.cpp sqcompiler.cpp) (2014-09-16 20:06:28 UTC) 20:06:35 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: remove a few bits of dead code 20:07:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26834 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqfuncproto.h (2014-09-16 20:07:19 UTC) 20:07:26 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: prevent unitialized memory warning by moving code from (static) Init to constructure for SQFunctionProto 20:07:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26835 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqlexer.cpp (2014-09-16 20:07:47 UTC) 20:07:55 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: remove dead code from the lexer 20:08:50 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26836 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (3 files) (2014-09-16 20:08:44 UTC) 20:08:51 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: merge SQLexer::Init with the constructor; there's no need to construct first and then call init in the next line 20:09:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26837 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqfuncstate.cpp (2014-09-16 20:09:20 UTC) 20:09:27 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: remove some pointless assignments 20:14:09 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26838 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqcompiler.h (2014-09-16 20:14:03 UTC) 20:14:10 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26831): attempt to make MSVC like the code again 20:37:00 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.29/20140909085502]] 20:37:41 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:c892:67:2552:21b5] has quit [Quit: .] 20:44:03 <__ln__> is anyone aware of a serial protocol intended for an external device to poll whether a piece of software is still running on a computer? (i.e. some kind of a watchdog) 20:44:21 <__ln__> and to keep it on-topic, yeah sure i want to do this with a newgrf. 20:48:01 <JorickL> Hmm, not that I'm aware off, and I'm not sure if I'm helping you with this, but isn't it possible to include it in your software (no idea in what language newgrf's are made), but via the TCP protocol you could set listeners on ports on your PC. The laggy thing is: you need to forward those ports in your router to the PC where the software is running... And thus you need to set that up in the 20:48:01 <JorickL> 'client' on the external device. 20:48:56 <__ln__> in this case i'd like to keep things simple and avoid using network; just serial interface. 20:49:24 <planetmaker> what about a normal terminal? VESA? 20:49:44 <JorickL> Just curious, what kind of 'device' needs to comunicate with the PC? :) 20:51:09 <__ln__> the external device would constantly ask the computer "are you still alive?", and if no response is received within e.g. 2 minutes, the external device does something, e.g. sets a digital output pin to 1. 20:51:45 <__ln__> which could then reset the computer, or send an alarm, or whatever. 20:52:06 <Rubidium> __ln__: http://www.berkprod.com/Product_Web_Pages/external_serial_pc_watchdog.aspx ? 20:53:56 <__ln__> Rubidium: yeah, something like that, but what i'm asking is whether there's any commonly used protocol for such devices, or do they all use their own. 20:56:52 <JorickL> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=247206.0 20:57:02 <JorickL> You could create one yourself if you'd like to... ;-) 20:57:10 <frosch123> oh noes, we got featured again 20:59:11 <JorickL> Basicly: the device needs to send a signal - no matter what kind of signal - to the PC on one of the (Virtual) COM-ports... The PC needs software running and listening to that COM-port, to send a 'response'. The controller device needs to know what the PC is sending back as an 'OK-signal' and then do nothing. 21:00:29 <JorickL> And you can use any port if you like, even a second LAN connection on your PC will do the job, if the controller-device can talk back via the same protocol 21:01:43 <andythenorth> bye 21:01:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:03:09 <__ln__> i'm feeling i'm not making myself clear enough... i have no uncertainty about the principle on which the device should operate; i'm merely asking if there is a serial protocol for all that. 21:06:14 <JorickL> Not that I'm aware of 21:10:07 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26839 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp (2014-09-16 21:10:01 UTC) 21:10:08 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: some dead code and making switch fall throughs more explicit 21:11:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26840 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (3 files) (2014-09-16 21:11:14 UTC) 21:11:20 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: merge Init and constructor of SQSharedState 21:13:30 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26841 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (sqstate.cpp sqstring.h) (2014-09-16 21:13:24 UTC) 21:13:31 <DorpsGek> -Codechange [Squirrel]: move the actual initialisation of instance variables of SQString into the constructor 21:14:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26842 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (3 files) (2014-09-16 21:14:18 UTC) 21:14:26 <DorpsGek> -Codechange [Squirrel]: other simple cases of non-initialised instance variables 21:19:11 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 21:23:37 *** djmattyg [~AndChat63@CPE-120-149-26-157.oirx1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:34:16 <Wolf01> 'night 21:34:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:03 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:58 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6C1B1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:08 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.135.246] has joined #openttd 21:58:23 *** djmattyg [~AndChat63@CPE-120-149-26-157.oirx1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:36 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E24.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:22:37 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:25:49 <frosch123> night 22:25:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74099f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:37:18 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B59E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:49 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:36 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d944:a2b2:8e40:fe03] has joined #openttd 23:13:20 *** Kizzard [kiz@akane.kizzard.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:20 *** kiz [kiz@akane.kizzard.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:53 *** InvokeStatic [~Invoke@c-24-11-157-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 23:55:27 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:59:40 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]