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00:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you could also treat making a giant screenshot like making a savegame, i.e. making a copy of the map and then do the "drawing" in another thread 00:11:20 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 00:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that way, you minimize the interruption of the game 00:12:51 <argoneus> I wonder how hard that would be to patch in 00:33:04 <argoneus> g'night 00:38:38 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:37 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:41:01 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 00:43:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:55 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 01:16:45 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:23:28 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:45 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:29 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:26:33 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:47 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 01:28:55 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 01:40:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:10:48 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:40 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:12 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:19 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:27 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 02:52:43 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:02:48 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-167-133.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:33 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:07:27 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:22 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@176-76-81-209.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 03:21:32 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 03:26:45 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C391A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 03:27:39 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:29:46 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:08 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:34:27 *** Hazzard__ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:41 *** hdevalence [~quassel@TOROON0319W-LP130-01-1177970765.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 03:35:07 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-66-41-55-107.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:35:25 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-66-41-55-107.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:42:51 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.144.29] has quit [Quit: âA-d-i-I-R-Câ 1.9.6 [www.adiirc.com]] 04:12:37 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:12:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:27:00 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:42:28 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 04:55:59 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:56:00 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DCFD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:43:20 <Jinassi> player posted instructions on how to use 32bpp extrazoom grf as a static. gto a feeling it's a bit toucky grf due to license issues with it. I can remove post on /r/openttd at your discretion devs 05:43:26 <Jinassi> *got 05:49:08 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49:51 <Supercheese> It's zBase 05:49:53 <Supercheese> so it's fine 05:49:57 <Supercheese> no need to worry 05:50:23 <Supercheese> oooooh no wait it's both 05:53:25 <Jinassi> try it with OpenGFX :p 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6601E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD50D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:56:55 <Supercheese> Ugh, he recommended you put in content_download... 05:57:21 <Supercheese> I do not understand why, that should be for Bananas only 05:57:40 <Supercheese> but people go sticking their own stuff in there 06:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> some myths you don't get killed 06:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but still you should work against that... 06:20:42 *** Gantradies [~oftc-webi@101.191.26.161] has joined #openttd 06:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> like the person who used the trash folder as mail archive 06:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> ... until an admin came along and flushed everybody's trash to make space 06:22:09 <Gantradies> hey... err.. woudl nayone be up for giving me a hand configureing a linuix Dedicated server/ 06:22:12 <Gantradies> ? 06:23:12 <Gantradies> i normally play on windows, the owner of my teamspeak group set one up on one of his spare racks and is letting me run it, and im trying to work out how to get online content working properly ( im accessing the VM via SSH through PuTTy) 06:24:07 <Gantradies> like, how to enable it without access to the ingame gui. i dropboxed in a config file, but it removed the info at teh bottom o nteh active newGRF's 06:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you use the "content" command, it works vaguely like a package manager you find on linux 06:24:39 <Gantradies> i know aobut that, i mean actually activating it, or does it do it automatically usually and i messed something up before 06:25:09 <Gantradies> ( barely knows more then teh barest navigation basics for useing LX) 06:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> something like "content select <blah>" and "content download" 06:25:27 <Gantradies> and it automatically activates it next time you generate a new map? 06:25:36 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 06:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no 06:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's probably easier if you upload a savegame you made with your client 06:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause> with all the settings and newgrfs and stuff 06:27:04 <Gantradies> *facepalm* sohulda tohurght abotu that. its al ittle tricky because it dont have actual access to teh box, and FTP isnt enabled 06:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> if you upload a .cfg from windows to linux, you probably need to replace the \ with / for the path names 06:28:25 <Gantradies> on, say, Therse ones, right? urban_suspended_monorail.1.1\susmon1.1.grf = vacuum_tube_train-0.22\vactrain.grf = aussie_town_names-0.1\downunder.grf = av8_aviators_aircraft_set-2.21\pb_av8w.grf = monolev_replacement_set_v0.3.6-0.3.7\mrsv037.grf = oil_rig_for_snowland_and_desert-v1\oilrigsd.grf = sailing_ships-0.62\ss.grf = fish_2-squidrc8\fish.grf = 1 1 0 temperate_oil_wells_can_increase.v2\oilsgoup.grf = national_bank_ttdur-1.0\nationalbankw 06:28:36 <Gantradies> or on everything that involves file/folder paths in the file? 06:29:01 <Gantradies> like, just teh entrys in teh newgrf section at the bottom, or..? 06:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but additionally, these look like old format, the new format has some info about versions in them 06:29:21 <Gantradies> sorry if im asking a lotta stupid questions, im trying ot make sure i dont mess osmething up due to assumeing osmething basic 06:29:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the game might ignore/delete old format info, especially if it can't find the files 06:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the format was changed between 1.3 and 1.4 06:30:28 <Gantradies> merf. so if i donwload it ingame via the console, if i get it ot gen a new world, will itutomatically use the new content, or owudl i have to add it to teh .cfg file manually? 06:30:53 <Gantradies> between? thats odd, i only redownloaded aobut a monthr 2 back, did a new stable ver come out iwothut me noticeing? 06:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, 1.4 is from april this year 06:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> with some minor updates since then 06:31:56 <Gantradies> huh. thats odd. im definitely on 1.4. what'd make it save teh info with old format? 06:33:17 <Gantradies> sorry i keep coming back ot this, but if i donwload some newgrfs to the server via console commands, they'll be installed and when i make a new map? 06:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if they are not in the .cfg, they are just downloaded, they will not be activated on new map, but they will be found when loading a savegame 06:35:31 <Gantradies> is the game flexable enoghu to automatically DL missing content when you laod a save? i think space engineers has spoiled me X_X 06:36:41 <Gantradies> again ,sorry ofr all the stupid questions, just irritated that i keep messing up and triyng ot make certain i actually get it up and running this time 06:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the automatic download from command line was not implemented 06:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can "content select all" or something 06:37:40 <Gantradies> O.o wouldnt that mkae it DL literally everything? 06:38:06 <Gantradies> *mental image of admin yelling at me for queueing up a gig or so of textures* 06:38:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 06:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pnbziolr2 <-- this is what the new format looks like 06:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that is "grfid|md5|filename = parameters" 06:39:06 <Gantradies> huh 06:39:12 <Gantradies> what'd make it default to teh odl format? 06:39:16 <Gantradies> old 06:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, maybe new format wasn't actually in 1.4 06:39:38 <Eddi|zuHause> then it'll come to effect in 1.5 06:39:47 <Gantradies> on nightlys? 06:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 06:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> then you don't need to worry about that, and only replace the \ with / 06:40:51 <Gantradies> whew! thanks for being helpful, jsut oding that now 06:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and make sure the files are downloaded on the server 06:43:07 *** hdevalence [~quassel@TOROON0319W-LP130-01-1177970765.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43:42 <Gantradies> ';heh. anyoen remeber that old one from years back that added a SC1 Terran Battlecruiser as a helicopter? 06:45:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that was probably not legal to distribute 06:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause> if you mean this "sergej" guy 06:49:23 <Supercheese> I figure a Dropship would be more Transport-ish 06:52:16 <Gantradies> legal? 06:52:44 <Gantradies> *grumbles aobut not bieng able ot set the cursor location with his mouse* 06:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, consoles generally don't do that 06:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the windows cmd probably doesn't do that either 06:54:48 <Gantradies> point 06:55:28 <Gantradies> trying to remeber, is there a way to check the ocntent ID of a newgrf from the main menu? 06:56:07 <Gantradies> it isnt sohwing for me *( onj my client, think i'll just get download it via the console) asnd im not sure if it doesnt do that or im jsut stupoid and not seeing osmething right in front of me 06:59:59 <Supercheese> you mean grfID? 07:00:19 <Supercheese> it should show that in the newgrf selection menu... unless that's a feature you have to have developer active for 07:00:37 <Gantradies> the short 4 letter one the console commands list and use to DL stuff fomr teh server 07:00:40 <Gantradies> 4 digit, sorry 07:17:03 <Supercheese> oh, that I do not know about 07:26:27 <Gantradies> outta curiosity, are any of those web config plugins still being maintained? i saw some old threads aobtu a few, figured it'd make making a new map a little quicker 07:29:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:46 <Gantradies> Hail Progman, the Coder Superhero! 07:29:48 <Gantradies> XD 07:31:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:43 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-167-133.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:36:17 <andythenorth> o/ 07:42:59 <Progman> \o/ 07:50:32 <supermop> yo 07:51:50 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 07:53:31 <Gantradies> i need a bit of a hand with this 07:54:45 <Gantradies> the server owner (physical server, i mean) set the map size to teh smallest possible (that really tiny island) while i was having issues iwth the server useing up WAY too much processor time, and it SEEMS ot be stuck on that regardless of the numbers i input in the .cfg file 07:55:03 <Gantradies> is there something im suppsoed to do to refresh the seed or soemthing? 07:58:18 <Gantradies> anyoen up ofr hleping me try and owrk out WTH is happening here? 08:01:10 <Gantradies> its driving me nuts, and ive got no idera what im oding wrong :( 08:02:24 <Gantradies> *headdesks* 08:05:44 <peter1138> Don't edit the cfg file while it's running 08:08:04 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> <Gantradies> the short 4 letter one the console commands list and use to DL stuff fomr teh server <-- the 4 letter codes are usually expanded into 8 hex-digits (ASCII-encoding) 08:14:22 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Gantradies: oh, you mean the index number, no, that changes every time something new is uploaded 08:21:57 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Gantradies: on that last issue, there should be a "reload_config" command (or similar) that reads in the config after you changed it. exiting the game without this will restore the previous config, discarding all your changes 08:28:03 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:21 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:799e:893b:7f8:c1d1] has joined #openttd 08:33:24 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:41:53 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:48:42 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:54 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:38 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:01 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ruH8GGpvpU 09:46:02 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:13 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:02 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:53 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 11:20:33 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-194-62.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:23:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:24:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747484.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:57 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:40 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:42:22 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:43:12 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 11:44:56 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:34 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:54:28 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:07 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:07 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 12:25:06 <NGC3982> I'm hosting dedicated servers with separate files specified with the -c flag. 'reload_cfg' is set to true (on automatic year restart). If i change a parameter in the config file while the server is running, will the change be apparent next restart, and used thereafter? 12:25:34 <NGC3982> I guess openttd loads the specified config file, and what i'm doing with my actual file should not affect the current running gameplay? 12:28:06 <frosch123> yes, config only affects new games 12:29:02 <NGC3982> I see. So changing the running config will simply make it change with the next server restart. 12:29:15 <NGC3982> That's great if i want to make small changes between server restarts, i guess. 12:32:17 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest2377 12:32:22 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:41 *** Guest2377 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:54:39 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 12:57:29 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:57 *** engineerwolf [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:21 *** engineerwolf is now known as Guest2379 13:02:26 *** engineerwolf [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:46 *** engineerwolf [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 13:05:57 *** Guest2379 [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:27 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:14:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C254.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:23 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A137.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:35:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:37:00 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 13:37:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 13:37:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:02 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:48:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-14-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:48:33 <Wolf01> moin 13:49:12 <Alberth> moin 13:55:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:43 *** Gantradies [~oftc-webi@101.191.26.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:06:31 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 14:14:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:52 <Alberth> hi hi 14:17:06 <LordAro> ih ih 14:17:10 <andythenorth> any cat yet? 14:18:05 <LordAro> all the cat 14:24:27 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-167-133.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:47 <andythenorth> hmm 14:27:54 <andythenorth> loading speeds 14:28:37 <andythenorth> are a big problem 14:30:13 * NGC3982 struggles with timetables. 14:30:46 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.144.29] has joined #openttd 14:32:14 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:45 <andythenorth> what are timetables for? 14:40:12 <Alberth> giving you the option to waste lots of time with them? 14:40:49 <Quatroking> oh my god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQO6V9FZGuI 14:41:12 <Alberth> theoretically, they should be able to nicely distribute vehicles over time, so you get regular visits of vehicles at some point 14:41:47 * andythenorth has forgotten entirely the solution for loading speeds 14:41:51 <andythenorth> :| 14:42:00 <Alberth> oh dear :( 14:42:10 <Alberth> check the log? 14:42:28 <andythenorth> the internet will know 14:42:51 <andythenorth> canât remember the problem even :P 14:43:08 <Alberth> instant loading / unloading? :) 14:43:12 <andythenorth> ha ha 14:43:13 <andythenorth> maybe 14:43:20 * andythenorth has mind-numbing back pain 14:43:27 <andythenorth> and is running out of good painkillers 14:43:33 <Alberth> :( 14:45:16 <andythenorth> Iâll live :P 14:48:33 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 14:49:31 * andythenorth wonders why loading speed isnât just capacity / 6 14:49:51 * andythenorth sets it to that 14:51:08 <andythenorth> oh 14:51:10 <andythenorth> I remember 14:51:16 <andythenorth> there is no capacity in Iron Horse 14:51:20 <andythenorth> just capacities 14:51:25 <andythenorth> well 14:51:27 <andythenorth> joy 14:53:28 <Alberth> just take the biggest one? 14:54:11 <Alberth> hmm, then smaller ones would load faster, maybe too fast 14:54:20 <andythenorth> should just do it with cbs 14:54:24 <andythenorth> not a lot of code 14:55:53 <Alberth> you can also use the average capacity as base line. cbs is probably best if capacities are far apart 14:57:42 * andythenorth doing it now 15:01:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-79-82.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:33 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth 15:06:40 <andythenorth> whatâs the result of n / 0 in python? o_O 15:06:58 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:23 <Alberth> ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero ? :) 15:09:19 <andythenorth> yair 15:09:23 <andythenorth> canât put that in nml 15:09:26 * andythenorth solves it 15:12:57 <andythenorth> well 15:13:00 <andythenorth> maybe that worked 15:22:51 *** Jinassi2 [~jinassi@176.76.16.212] has joined #openttd 15:24:47 <andythenorth> now to make some types faster 15:25:00 <andythenorth> hopper cars are 2x faster to load than normal cars? 15:27:22 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:40 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:28 <Alberth> anything non-instantly is fine by me :) 15:30:00 <Alberth> but yeah, it makes sense to differentiate on type of vehicle 15:30:04 <andythenorth> 2x should result in ~120 ticks 15:30:20 <andythenorth> or 3 load steps 15:31:06 <Alberth> much like it is now, I think? 15:32:35 <andythenorth> likely 15:34:27 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:53 <planetmaker> hi hi 15:51:20 <andythenorth> lo planetmaker 15:51:36 <andythenorth> howâs snow CHIPS? :D 15:51:42 <andythenorth> about same as before? 15:52:07 <planetmaker> yes :( RL interference messed with my schedule :( 15:52:24 <planetmaker> much less time than I anticipated 15:52:28 <andythenorth> pesky RL 15:52:36 <andythenorth> happens when youâre busy making plans 15:53:06 <planetmaker> yeah, indeed. I'm sorry to have you let down on that again :( 15:53:14 <andythenorth> eh nvm :) 15:55:31 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:57:19 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:36 * andythenorth bbl 16:01:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:10:00 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 16:17:36 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.144.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:29 *** Jinassi2 is now known as Jinassi 16:24:38 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A137.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 16:29:05 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:32:08 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-194-62.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:19 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C254.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:49 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has joined #openttd 17:26:57 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A137.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:18 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:53 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A137.versanet.de] has quit [] 17:28:02 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387a137.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:41:58 *** mgpl [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:49:57 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.144.29] has joined #openttd 18:10:36 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:15:34 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:03 *** chester_ [~chester@37-145-27-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:18:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:46 <Alberth> o/ 18:21:58 <argoneus> \o 18:22:28 <andythenorth> GS ideas? 18:22:37 <andythenorth> santa claus GS 18:22:42 <andythenorth> deliver to every town 18:28:08 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:13 <LordAro> *house 18:28:25 <__ln__> m.d. 18:28:31 <Alberth> town is complicated enough :p 18:32:56 <andythenorth> fun on small maps 18:32:56 <V453000> get XX average production on your worker yards 18:33:02 <V453000> could be fun :P 18:34:16 <andythenorth> this issue sucks https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6711 18:34:20 <andythenorth> I hate it like I hate hell 18:34:24 <andythenorth> and all capulets 18:35:03 <V453000> hm :) 18:35:06 <V453000> I say it all the time 18:35:11 <V453000> more cargoes, more loading stages = nice 18:35:18 <V453000> nicer than more engines in many cases 18:35:40 <V453000> doing one thing properly sounds better than 10 things halfway there 18:35:53 <V453000> which is a perfect example of me atm 18:36:00 <V453000> 10 newGRFs in progress, all of them not done 18:36:02 <Alberth> more different looking cargo is more useful atm, I think 18:36:15 <V453000> ^ 18:38:32 <andythenorth> this is the last planned set of cargos 18:38:33 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:42 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:38:43 <andythenorth> then brit roster of Iron Horse is âdone' 18:39:07 <V453000> then the plan is bad ! :D 18:39:17 <V453000> no excuses :P 18:40:27 <andythenorth> plans can have v2 18:40:33 <andythenorth> but what would it add? 18:40:35 <andythenorth> yetis? 18:41:57 <V453000> well sure yetis are an option, but I am more like talking about more various goods types, rubber, various hopper things like clay, copper ore, various kinds of heaps in hoppers, various tanker cargoes which are visibly distinct from each other, ... 18:43:33 <andythenorth> hopper things are fine 18:43:43 <andythenorth> somebody give me a list of missing bulk cargos, they get added 18:43:50 <andythenorth> tankers, nah 18:45:09 <V453000> well I have these https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/NUTS/MAG_HOPPER_0000.png 18:45:30 <andythenorth> enormous spritesheet :D 18:45:33 <andythenorth> still loading 18:45:41 <V453000> basically, I make every single cargo have their own sprites 18:45:54 <V453000> which does not mean that everything has to be unique, but in a single game it is, with any industry configuration 18:46:09 <V453000> e.g. sugar from toyland also is sugarcane from FIRS 18:48:45 <V453000> in the hoppers I have bauxite, candyfloss, clay, coal, copperore, fertilizer, grain, ironore, oil seeds, plant fibers, rubber, sand, scrap metal, stone, sugar, toffee, wool, recyclables, uranium 18:51:13 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:37 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:48 <V453000> on flatbeds: batteries, bubbles, fruit (various kinds), goods (many various kinds) - bricks, lumber, crates, glass, containers, ... - various sub-goods can be used for e.g. manufacturing supp/building materials/glass/bricks/barrels for e.g. rubber/oil/chemicals ... then I have food (various kinds), sweets (various again), livestock (VARIOUS ANIMALS! :D), paper, steel, toys, gold, diamonds, fizzy drinks, valuables, machinery(ES), wood, YETI d 18:53:16 <V453000> rest on tankers ... cola, beer(fizzy drinks), chemicals, refined products, oil, plastic, water, milk 18:54:11 <V453000> ask again what to add? :P 18:54:40 * andythenorth does not have sufficient compulsion 18:54:52 <andythenorth> even drawing these 800px for lumber bores the arse off me 18:55:07 <andythenorth> I barely look at the trains most of the time when I play 18:55:22 <V453000> XD 18:55:25 <V453000> ok. 18:55:34 <V453000> in that case make everything colourful boxes 18:55:39 <V453000> no need to look at it 18:56:41 <andythenorth> I can give you layered psds if you want to draw more IH cargos 18:56:53 <andythenorth> the ducks would be cute in pixels 18:56:54 <V453000> no ty 18:56:57 <andythenorth> at NG wagon size 18:56:57 <V453000> 3D only 18:57:15 <V453000> wtf is NG anyway 18:57:25 <andythenorth> narrow gauge 18:57:27 <andythenorth> tiny tiny 18:57:31 <V453000> xd 18:57:39 <andythenorth> about 3/8 long wagon 18:57:49 <V453000> nice size 18:57:52 <V453000> fits 8/8 nicely :P 18:57:57 <V453000> 4/8 ftw 18:58:37 <andythenorth> agreed 18:58:39 <V453000> I has cargoes like that in NUTS repo 18:58:47 <andythenorth> but 3/8 is what was drawn 18:59:03 <andythenorth> and I hate drawing 18:59:12 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/repository/entry/gfx/RailWagons_1st_Flatbed.png 18:59:27 <V453000> well putting cargo on it probably wont matter if it is 4/8 or 3/8 18:59:39 <andythenorth> someone just needs to paste all those cargos on now 18:59:47 <andythenorth> problem solved 18:59:53 <V453000> enjoy :P 19:00:08 <andythenorth> if someone cares enough, theyâll do it :) 19:00:20 <V453000> I use CC BY SA now btw, not gpl 19:00:52 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:56 <andythenorth> hmm 19:04:04 <andythenorth> those wagons have wood now when loading at the forest 19:04:07 <andythenorth> definitely better 19:04:13 <andythenorth> compared to boxes 19:04:17 <V453000> xd 19:06:47 <andythenorth> problem for me is 19:07:09 <andythenorth> I only do cargo sprites for cargos I see in game :P 19:07:40 <V453000> lame :) 19:08:03 <V453000> I never play with ECS, but I dont feel like the set would be complete if it had such holes like not specific sprites for every cargo 19:09:19 <andythenorth> well 19:09:25 <andythenorth> what can I say 19:09:29 <andythenorth> maybe one day theyâll get done 19:11:49 <V453000> XD 19:11:50 <V453000> one day tm 19:14:14 * andythenorth wonders which bulk cargos are missing 19:14:31 <andythenorth> {'AORE': [0], 'IORE': [1], 'CORE': [2], 'GRVL': [3], 'SAND': [4], 'COAL': [5], 'CLAY': [6]} 19:14:34 <andythenorth> probably lots 19:14:45 <andythenorth> thatâs just FIRS ones 19:15:15 <V453000> well it depends what you transport where 19:15:18 <andythenorth> in fact no scrap metal, no sugar beet 19:15:21 <andythenorth> eh 19:15:22 <andythenorth> meh 19:15:52 <V453000> but often trains have same boxcars for goods, same for manufacturing supplies, same for food, same for fibre crops, same for fish, same for $otherthings 19:16:27 <andythenorth> yes 19:16:30 <Alberth> yeah :( 19:16:30 <andythenorth> because reasons 19:16:51 <andythenorth> I find it looks stupid when they change appearance at stations 19:16:56 <andythenorth> maybe I should get over that 19:16:56 <Alberth> but you have the precise model and version that was relevant at the time :) 19:16:57 <andythenorth> but eh 19:17:26 <andythenorth> I dunno 19:17:32 <andythenorth> maybe it should just be primary colours 19:17:39 <andythenorth> red for food, blue for fish, black for coal 19:17:40 <V453000> exactly andythenorth 19:17:43 <V453000> anything 19:17:55 <V453000> colours are great differentiation tool as well 19:18:03 <andythenorth> but then why bother making a train set? 19:18:09 <andythenorth> itâs just arbitrary blocks moving around 19:18:16 <V453000> because is nice :) 19:18:16 <andythenorth> thatâs quite appealing as a game 19:18:17 <Alberth> to let them drive on the tracks? 19:18:37 <andythenorth> I donât hate the idea, but itâs not the set Iâm making 19:18:54 <andythenorth> we need a tron-style set of grfs 19:19:04 <Alberth> we already have the debug vehicles by fr0sch for that :p 19:19:11 <andythenorth> bare grid, everything bright-lit primary colours 19:19:17 <andythenorth> terrain is black or dark grey 19:19:22 <andythenorth> sea is midnight blue 19:19:33 <Alberth> black on white drawings? 19:19:35 <V453000> XD 19:19:46 <andythenorth> black on white is a style 19:19:52 <andythenorth> Iâm not trolling, these would be good styles 19:19:57 <andythenorth> not planning it though 19:20:15 <Alberth> someone started it already afaik, but didn't get very far 19:20:42 <V453000> sure, similar things are easy to make and could look nice when done as a whole 19:20:43 <andythenorth> it would be trival to render I guess 19:20:50 <V453000> but then making a whole base set is simply a shitload of work 19:20:54 <andythenorth> probably do the whole thing, base set included in a year 19:20:55 <Alberth> but different colours cargo would not fit in that themse 19:20:59 <Alberth> *theme 19:21:09 <andythenorth> you donât need different houses or anything 19:21:11 <V453000> it would Alberth 19:21:22 <andythenorth> because itâs just representing flow 19:21:27 <V453000> sure andythenorth but still 10 000 sprites is fucklots 19:21:30 <Alberth> oh, hard primary colours 19:21:32 <andythenorth> so different types of buildings are meaningless 19:21:50 <andythenorth> industries are just cubes 19:21:56 <V453000> the buildings could differ in brightness slightly for nice thingz 19:22:04 <andythenorth> brightness = demand 19:22:08 <andythenorth> or production 19:22:14 <V453000> I might do something like that after I create my base set models and code 19:22:17 <V453000> then it would be really easy 19:22:24 <andythenorth> you donât need any detailed track or road sprites 19:22:26 <andythenorth> theyâre just lines 19:22:31 <V453000> call it ultrazbase: nothing to see on purpose 19:22:34 <andythenorth> everything is just flow, like circuit diagrams 19:22:37 <Alberth> it's much less than 10k 19:22:46 <V453000> fucklots. :P 19:22:51 <Alberth> very few variations 19:23:07 <frosch123> andythenorth: play factorio then :p 19:23:08 <Alberth> V453000: that's mathematically precise :) 19:23:26 <V453000> yes! 19:23:41 <Alberth> /me likes the math of V :) 19:24:39 <V453000> cant go wrong with it! 19:24:44 <V453000> unless you are making a nml template ... 19:25:08 <Alberth> computers still lack knowledge of V math 19:25:40 <V453000> am not sure when that is going to change :D 19:25:43 <V453000> /if 19:26:27 <Alberth> probably around the time that neurological connections are standard :p 19:27:11 <V453000> :( 19:41:23 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 19:43:39 <andythenorth> new horse 19:43:44 <andythenorth> for christmas 19:44:51 <V453000> :) 19:48:01 <andythenorth> slow bundles 19:54:00 *** mgpl [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has joined #openttd 19:54:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-79-82.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 19:54:57 <andythenorth> what next? 19:56:26 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:46 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:00:50 <Alberth> is there any advantage of using the box car vs the open car for food in iron horse (normal railways)? 20:01:14 <Alberth> box car seems heavier and more restrictive in choice of cargo 20:10:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:16:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:52 * andythenorth disconnected :P 20:16:55 <andythenorth> Alberth: no advantage 20:17:12 <andythenorth> if you have reefer cars, they have advantage 20:17:55 <Alberth> currently don't have them (1879, tropical) 20:18:19 <andythenorth> yeah, ice in short supply :) 20:18:45 <Alberth> makes sense :) 20:19:54 <andythenorth> itâs pretty much a visual thing, box car vs. open car 20:22:11 <Alberth> yeah 20:23:44 <Alberth> road hog is not in your sig :) 20:24:54 <andythenorth> oops 20:25:00 <andythenorth> thought I fixed that last week 20:30:41 <Alberth> gn 20:31:09 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:32:26 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 20:32:27 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:27 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:33:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:48:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:53:57 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:29 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:19:13 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:799e:893b:7f8:c1d1] has quit [Quit: .] 21:29:15 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:35:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747484.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:46:56 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 21:54:02 *** chester_ [~chester@37-145-27-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:38 <Wolf01> 'night 22:06:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:20:33 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 22:24:06 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 23:03:18 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:09:47 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:27 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@179.186.24.189.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:21:19 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.144.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:28 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 23:23:39 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387a137.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:27:30 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.17.18.236] has joined #openttd 23:28:29 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.24.189.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:39 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 23:31:29 *** Nathanxbox20 [~oftc-webi@cpe-065-188-210-010.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:00 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has joined #openttd 23:32:25 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.18.236] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:08 *** Nathanxbox20 [~oftc-webi@cpe-065-188-210-010.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:38 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:27 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]