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00:17:03 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:20:56 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:55 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 00:33:38 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.159] has joined #openttd 00:37:26 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:38:45 <supermop> yo 00:41:27 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:41:41 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:10 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:07 *** Maarten1 [~irc@76.91.112.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:37 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-62-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 01:55:32 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:54 *** Pikkaphone2 [~yaaic@131.181.158.159] has joined #openttd 02:03:17 <Pikkaphone2> Yikes 02:08:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if the pikkaphone rings twice 02:21:37 <supermop> ha 02:31:43 *** Pikkaphone2 [~yaaic@131.181.158.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:48:40 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:03 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> coulomb.oftc.net quits: Sheogorath, SpComb^, LadyHawk, XeryusTC, V453000, @orudge, ^Spike^, Supercheese, supermop, glx, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:01:15 *** Netsplit over, joins: SpComb^, Cybertinus, LordAro, Sheogorath, DabuYu, mikegrb 03:01:34 *** Netsplit over, joins: kais58, supermop, LadyHawk, juzza1, Stimrol, V453000 03:01:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: Supercheese 03:01:49 *** berndj [~berndj@197.242.93.82] has joined #openttd 03:02:04 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hazzard, XeryusTC 03:02:34 *** Netsplit over, joins: Ammler 03:03:01 *** Netsplit over, joins: glx 03:03:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 03:03:58 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 03:06:01 *** Taede [~T@2a02:348:94:6571::1] has joined #openttd 03:06:13 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 03:08:46 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:10:42 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D265.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:21:34 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:43:26 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@blfd-5d8214d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:50:26 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d086fe1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:46 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@94.231.249.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:56 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@94.231.249.233] has joined #openttd 04:33:52 *** openbu [~openbu@182.242.116.204] has joined #openttd 04:34:09 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.225.155] has quit [Quit: more compliant with MSL than you imagine - www.AdiIRC.com] 04:34:59 <openbu> Hi, I want to develop the openttd. 04:38:38 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.4] has joined #openttd 04:55:05 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:18 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.4] has joined #openttd 05:03:21 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:12 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82e7a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:50 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82e7a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 05:36:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D265.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:43:47 <supermop> so the fake trams are more or less done now, before diving into the real trams i feel like drawingg buildings again or perhaps stations 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4DD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD59D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:32:31 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.101.221] has joined #openttd 07:31:06 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47:36 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d8584c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:11 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d8584c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:12 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:46 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: so, when can we expect openttd to be ported to unreal engine? :P 08:43:52 <planetmaker> moin 08:46:11 <planetmaker> openbu, I suggest to dive right into it :) There's either quite a number of bugs which need addressing: https://bugs.openttd.org or there's a non-comprehensive list of things which are nice-to-have: http://wiki.openttd.org/Todo_list 08:47:15 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71-8-126-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:00:37 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 10:10:17 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 10:13:36 *** lobstar [~mccrabbym@94.231.249.233] has joined #openttd 10:19:41 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@94.231.249.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:31 <openbu> @planetmaker thanks 10:24:09 <planetmaker> openbu, European evening hours is also an excellent time here on IRC 10:36:53 <openbu> oh,Nice to meet you ,I come from china,I'm going to devote a lot of time to improve openttd & openbu.org. 10:37:29 <openbu> I'm reading http://wiki.openttd.org/Todo_list 10:42:53 <peter1138> Download Speed: 2.91 Mbps 10:42:54 <peter1138> Upload Speed: 440 kbps 10:42:54 <peter1138> :S 10:54:48 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 10:57:36 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:41 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 11:36:56 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71-8-126-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #openttd 11:48:00 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:43 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:26 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71-8-126-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:50 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71-8-126-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:33 *** Odd [~Odd@141.0.247.63] has joined #openttd 12:32:28 <supermop> at 4x zoom, a slope is 32 px high? 12:32:39 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest464 12:32:44 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:58 <V453000> I dont even know :) 12:33:26 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/rawr/repository/show/POSTPRODUCTION/tile_masks 12:33:28 <V453000> is what I use 12:33:34 <V453000> probably not flawless, but pretty good 12:33:43 <V453000> juzza1 did those 12:33:50 <Odd> hello! 12:33:55 <supermop> when modelling it i need t make it a function of the diagonal across the tile though, whatever it is 12:33:56 <V453000> hi 12:34:23 <V453000> diagonal across the tile? 12:34:41 <supermop> trying to through tram tracks together quickly as these big 32bpp trams look odd on the ogfx track 12:34:53 <supermop> diagonal as in _ 12:35:19 <supermop> _ is an integer number of pixels, whereas / and \ only sort of are 12:35:41 <supermop> the slope height is presumably also an integer 12:36:03 <planetmaker> hi Odd 12:36:32 <supermop> so if my tiles are 12 m or whatever a side, i can't just say they are 3m or whatever high 12:37:18 <Odd> nice work on snowy industries, planetmaker! 12:37:32 <V453000> I dont think I understand what do you want supermop :d 12:37:39 <supermop> also, it needs to be a length that when seen from the dimetric perspective appears to be whatever the correct size is 12:38:05 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 12:38:09 <supermop> basically i am saying, i cant just know how tall to model a slope in a 3d program 12:38:15 <V453000> yes 12:38:17 *** Guest464 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:23 <V453000> I can tell you that height? :D 12:38:45 <supermop> you need to work backward from what it should look like in the sprite to figure out the height 12:39:02 <V453000> kind of 12:39:26 <supermop> as something that is x units tall appears less than x units tall in dimetric 12:39:36 <V453000> on 10x10m for one tile, I have 2,04155 height 12:39:52 <supermop> should be an irrational number 12:40:32 <V453000> 2,04192 12:40:37 <V453000> ok those are quite close :) 12:40:50 *** Odd is now known as Oddingar 12:41:02 <V453000> but yeah, thats it 12:41:09 <V453000> tunnel entrances are taller because openttd hax 12:41:20 <V453000> bridge pillars have that height 12:41:46 <V453000> @calc 2,04192*1,2 12:41:46 <DorpsGek> V453000: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 12:41:52 <V453000> wat 12:42:07 <supermop> try . instead of ,? 12:42:09 <V453000> 2,450304 12:42:17 <V453000> calc aside :P 12:42:26 <V453000> so yeah, this is what you need? 12:42:36 <supermop> not quite 12:42:42 <V453000> what then :D 12:42:53 <supermop> mostly i want to know how many pixels ottd wants 12:43:04 <supermop> i recall it was 8 in 1x 12:43:06 <V453000> that is in the tile masks I linked earlier 12:43:12 <supermop> just want to be sure 12:43:43 <V453000> 8 sounds low even for x1 12:44:20 <V453000> something like 24 in x1 looks more like it to me 12:44:29 <V453000> eh actually 12:44:33 <supermop> if so its easy i just draw a line normal to the angle of view that is 1/8 of a tile diagonal and i can scale that set of lines for each tile size i use 12:44:49 <supermop> pretty sure its between 7 and 10 12:44:52 <V453000> yeah looks like 8 12:45:06 <supermop> illllllussions 12:45:33 <supermop> really i should have typed extra Us there not Ls noe Ss 12:45:47 <V453000> idk I just went with trying stuff 12:45:53 <V453000> I dont even know how I got that value 12:45:59 <V453000> I think I created an angle taken from zbase 12:49:28 <supermop> quick geometric construction in rhino i get 1836.12 mm for a 12m tile 12:49:47 <supermop> prettttty short clearance 12:50:00 <V453000> that sounds considerably different from 2.45 to me XD but ok if it works 12:50:34 <supermop> oh wait projected from wrong side of line 12:52:29 <supermop> now i get 2449.49 12:52:37 <V453000> that sounds a lot better :) 12:52:41 <supermop> i think rhino is cutting it off at .00 12:52:50 <V453000> sure max also only uses .xxx 12:52:57 <V453000> but I use cm so I wrote it to meters :) 12:52:58 <supermop> still a short clearance 12:53:23 <supermop> yeah i just have my tolerances set to 1.00 mm 12:53:41 <supermop> which is really too specific for ottd anyway 12:53:55 <supermop> would not use that in construction 12:55:36 <V453000> eh if you set your tile to be 1mm then it would make sense, it is totally relative :) 12:59:31 <juzza1> http://goo.gl/WmB68h is the ratio of full-length tile height to tile length, in ottd scale 13:00:21 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:00:29 <DanMacK> Hey all 13:01:21 <planetmaker> o/ 13:03:06 <V453000> =D 13:03:08 <V453000> hihi 13:13:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:52 <supermop> hi 13:21:03 <supermop> a bit late there 13:21:33 <Oddingar> is there no other servers than those listed in the multiplayer menu? 13:22:14 <planetmaker> Oddingar, yes. But those are the servers which chose not to be announced 13:22:23 <FLHerne> Oddingar: You can host a server without listing it, but all the ones actually intended to be public will be 13:22:24 <planetmaker> s/announced/advertised 13:24:15 <Oddingar> ah, do you know if there is any servers that's not listed that are possible to join? might that be by being member of a forum or such? 13:25:11 <FLHerne> Oddingar: Why? openttd coop non-public, anything hosted for groups of friends 13:25:25 <FLHerne> Oddingar: The reddit ones are usually quite active, but they're public 13:25:53 <V453000> openttdcoop is completely possible to join. 13:28:09 <Oddingar> hm, i might be doing something wrong, there's only 4 servers online according to the list, one password protected, and the others are pretty occupied 13:28:57 <Oddingar> oh wait, might be because of version mismatch? 13:29:23 <FLHerne> Oddingar: Mismatched versions will still show 13:29:33 <planetmaker> FLHerne, openttdcoop has no non-public servers 13:29:54 <FLHerne> But definitely more than 4 servers http://i.imgur.com/2yiwuFp.png 13:30:15 <FLHerne> planetmaker, V453000: Ok, I'm mistaken :-) 13:30:22 <planetmaker> Oddingar, there's *a few* more: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 13:30:51 <planetmaker> Oddingar, but you need to run the appropriate (thus identical) version of OpenTTD in order to join them. 13:31:16 <FLHerne> Oddingar: Hit the 'Find Server' button, if you haven't 13:31:32 <planetmaker> yup, good idea :) 13:31:55 <Oddingar> aye I did hit find server, and it lists about 30 or 40 servers or so 13:31:58 <Oddingar> but only four of them are online 13:32:18 <Oddingar> could be wrong version 13:32:22 <Oddingar> i'm using 13:32:42 <planetmaker> eh... well, any version should list all servers... thus roughly 300 currently 13:32:46 <FLHerne> Servers with an incompatible version will be listed, just with a red dot rather than green 13:32:52 <planetmaker> but it may take time till the server list is populated 13:33:15 <FLHerne> What do you mean by 'only four of them are online'? 13:33:18 <planetmaker> thus after you hit 'find servers' the servers are actually queried... which is a bit traffic in the background 13:33:49 <planetmaker> thus may possibly take a few seconds till your local view updates 13:33:51 <Oddingar> well there's four servers with green dot and rest is red dot 13:34:42 <Oddingar> but i'm running 1.5.0 beta 1, that might be the problem 13:35:35 <FLHerne> Oddingar: Ah yes, that's the version-compatibility indicator 13:35:52 <FLHerne> OpenTTD is multiplayer-compatible across platforms, but not versions 13:35:53 <V453000> grab beta 2 :) 13:35:53 <Oddingar> thank you for your help, this might be interesting! 13:36:04 <FLHerne> Most servers are still on 1.4.4 13:36:08 <Oddingar> not 1.4.4? 13:36:22 <Oddingar> ok 13:36:39 <Oddingar> FIRS is supported on 1.4.4 right? 13:36:53 <FLHerne> Oddingar: Looking at server list, almost all the active ones are 1.4.4 http://i.imgur.com/2yiwuFp.png 13:37:12 <FLHerne> (yellow is same version but with newgrfs not downloaded) 13:37:21 <FLHerne> Yes 13:38:08 <Oddingar> I seee, I was sure it was online/offline indicator 13:38:11 <Oddingar> man do I feel stupid 13:38:53 <Oddingar> especially since I've been looking at this list since christmas and wondering why this awesome game has no more than 3 - 4 active servers -_- 13:40:14 <Oddingar> look at that, it works! thanks again :P 14:04:34 <Celestar> ;) 14:05:30 <planetmaker> :D 14:05:48 <planetmaker> Oddingar, don't the list columns have explanations which show when you hover over thme with the mouse? 14:08:59 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:06 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:11:42 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.225.155] has joined #openttd 14:14:34 *** crabster [~mccrabbym@94.231.249.233] has joined #openttd 14:20:36 *** lobstar [~mccrabbym@94.231.249.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:46 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:35 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:59 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 14:36:15 <Oddingar> they might do, planetmaker, but I'm good at assuming stuff :P 14:36:18 <Oddingar> often with bad resault 14:37:18 <Oddingar> afk 15:18:31 <Rubidium> Xaroth|Work: when you're finished with making said port 15:28:28 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 15:54:29 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:54:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:03:24 <Celestar> gday Rubidium 16:05:12 *** shirish [~quassel@61.0.219.157] has joined #openttd 16:06:56 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 16:14:11 <Alberth> o/ 16:15:15 <planetmaker> \o 16:16:45 <planetmaker> advertisement: http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/titlegame/round2/ <--- vote on the titlegame of the upcoming 1.5 now, if you haven't done so :) 16:17:15 <Alberth> hmm, pre-condition is false for me :) 16:17:23 <planetmaker> yup :) 16:17:37 <planetmaker> vote already registered and counted 16:18:05 <Alberth> :) 16:33:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:21 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: that implies you actually want me anywhere near the code :P 16:47:55 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:48:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1836D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:48:39 <planetmaker> oh, busy bee is already translated :) 16:50:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:59:51 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@000128f3.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:16 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 17:10:19 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 17:11:07 *** Maarten [~irc@2605:e000:160b:8138:ec6f:b990:6c3e:7866] has joined #openttd 17:21:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1836D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7466a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:16 <V453000> serioze 32bpp mayhem cometh? :P 17:33:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 17:35:48 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::312:d001] has joined #openttd 17:38:42 <Alberth> oh dear 17:40:27 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:43:38 *** aoeu [5f3799dc@107.161.19.109] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you proclaim it's always mayem... 17:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (modulo word order) 17:48:10 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:48:52 <Alberth> mayhem is my middle name: V "mayhem" 453000 17:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> what makes this sentence worse is that you have the same colour as V... 17:50:52 <Alberth> :D 18:04:39 <Terkhen> hello 18:05:00 <Alberth> hello T 18:07:45 * frosch123 always deleted the marriage annoucement/invitation of his brother as spam 18:07:54 <frosch123> s/always/almost/ :/ 18:12:21 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:15:49 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@186.212.160.59] has joined #openttd 18:22:11 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.225.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:20 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 18:28:48 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@187.59.111.250] has joined #openttd 18:34:02 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.160.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:09 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 18:36:12 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@000128f3.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:37:49 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::312:d001] has joined #openttd 18:40:07 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 18:40:11 <Samu> hi 18:42:30 <Samu> i am getting an error Error 1 error C2678: binary '&=' : no operator found which takes a left-hand operand of type 'Owner' (or there is no acceptable conversion) (..\src\depot.cpp) c:\openttd\trunk\src\core\bitmath_func.hpp 62 1 openttd 18:43:25 <Samu> many of these 18:44:36 <TrueBrain> YOU BROKE IT 18:44:40 <Terkhen> google search for C2678, you will find many explanations about that error... at first glance it sounds like you are trying to apply an operator to a class/struct/whatever that does not support it 18:44:49 <Terkhen> also that :P 18:44:57 <Samu> i did this https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pk9ivwxv6 18:46:20 <glx> use a byte then covert it to owner 18:47:04 <TrueBrain> isnt OWNER_NONE the same? :D 18:47:21 <TrueBrain> and brrr, what a dirty piece of code :s 18:48:03 <Samu> :) 18:48:11 <Samu> i was a suggestion 18:48:20 <Samu> was suggested to type that 18:48:40 <TrueBrain> doesnt change the fact it is dirty :D 18:49:37 <Samu> why? 18:49:53 <Samu> how do I use a byte glx 18:50:31 <glx> like an int 18:50:35 <glx> it's just smaller 18:50:47 <Samu> this is what he told me http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=72691#p1143683 18:51:46 <Samu> i improved it a little 18:52:00 <Samu> or maybe broke it 18:52:25 <glx> SB() can't work with Owner 18:53:20 <glx> but I think we have a compatible type 18:53:34 <glx> check around Owner declaration 18:59:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:11 <Alberth> o/ 19:02:29 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:12 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 19:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: that post is meant as a rough sketch, more like pseudocode. you're supposed to figure out the details of how it should be done correctly by yourself. 19:18:44 <andythenorth> o/ 19:22:39 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:26 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 19:31:18 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@blfd-5d8214d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Yo.] 19:42:52 <Samu> Owner co = GetTileOwner(SB(co, 0, 2, GB(_me[t].m6, 0, 2)) | SB(co, 2, 2, GB(_me[t].m6, 6, 2))); 19:43:05 <Samu> is that it? 19:44:26 <Samu> nope 19:46:06 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@000128f3.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:36 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::312:d001] has joined #openttd 19:49:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D265.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be helpful for you to learn what each of these pieces do, before combining them 19:52:06 <glx> yeah, coding is not like playing with lego bricks 19:52:26 <Alberth> nah, the internet can tell you :) 19:52:59 <andythenorth> coding is not lego bricks? :o 19:53:01 <andythenorth> :( 19:53:14 <andythenorth> that explains a lot of my problems :( 19:53:21 <Alberth> :D 19:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, some bits of lego-piecing are equivalent to coding 19:53:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but generally not the other way around :p 19:54:15 <Alberth> :o all the OO design ideas ! 19:54:28 <andythenorth> lego doesnât encapsulate much 19:54:39 <andythenorth> no declaring a public interface with the internals hiddens 19:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> lego bricks have a fairly well-designed interface 19:55:10 <andythenorth> also nobody âcheatsâ by having their lego bricks use the _private vars and methods of other objects 19:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> one side has a knob, and it goes into the other side of another brick 19:56:18 <andythenorth> OO isnât on a grid 19:56:23 <andythenorth> which sometimes bothers me 19:56:32 <andythenorth> UI design is on a grid 19:56:39 <andythenorth> SQL kind of is a grid 19:56:56 <andythenorth> OO less so 19:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you can arrange UML diagams on a grid 19:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> +r 19:57:24 <andythenorth> and generate all your classes from them 19:57:27 <andythenorth> auto-OO 19:57:29 <andythenorth> wise idea 19:57:30 <andythenorth> not 19:57:49 <andythenorth> ânow a system analyst can specify the system, no developers neededâŠâ 19:57:54 <andythenorth> ââŠexept for integration" 19:57:55 <andythenorth> yeah 19:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i never quite figure out what people actually USE uml fore 19:58:05 <Eddi|zuHause> e 19:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> -e 19:58:13 <andythenorth> they use it to sell tooling software 19:58:21 <andythenorth> and get views for presentations on slideshare 19:59:11 <andythenorth> I guess Lego has objects, and they are orientated 19:59:12 <andythenorth> https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/16473953695/ 19:59:22 <andythenorth> battery box...receiversâŠmotors 19:59:29 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you can show them to someone to tell them that they don't understand your stuff 19:59:38 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: we used it for making class diagrams 19:59:47 <andythenorth> frosch123: or that they need to use a new methodology 19:59:50 <frosch123> if you would show them your code, they would claim in it badly written, if they do not understand it 20:00:03 <andythenorth> you can use it to sell training courses 20:00:59 <frosch123> it is hard to claim that a nicely shaded uml diagram is badly drawn or something :p 20:01:12 <andythenorth> I donât like the whitespace 20:01:13 <frosch123> you just blame the drawing software then 20:01:20 <Samu> wow crap, the 2nd part of the code works 20:01:20 <andythenorth> and the class names should be Hungarian 20:01:40 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 20:01:43 <Samu_> lag 20:02:00 <Samu_> 2nd part worked, i just had to remove the assert line 20:02:05 <Samu_> 1st part fails 20:02:34 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't simply walk into... err, remove asserts 20:03:53 <Alberth> you never remove the source of errors? :D 20:04:07 <michi_cc> Asserts are usually there for a reason... 20:04:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: i did not say that 20:04:28 <Samu_> i dunno what i'm doing 20:04:39 <Alberth> that much was clear Samu_ :) 20:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that seems to be the problem, yes :p 20:05:48 <andythenorth> if the fire alarm goes off, just disconnect it 20:05:50 <andythenorth> problem solved 20:06:02 <andythenorth> try: foo except: pass 20:06:08 <andythenorth> never goes wrong 20:10:28 <Samu_> it was writting bits at m6 correctly 20:10:44 <Samu_> but is the assert needed? 20:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu_: that's not the point 20:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu_: triggering the assert means you have a place where you try to set the canal owner without there being a canal 20:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> which could potentially mean that you overwrote data that another tile type stored there 20:12:57 <Samu_> ah 20:19:15 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 20:21:33 <Samu_> assertion failed still :( 20:23:55 <Samu_> think i got it 20:23:57 <Samu_> assert(HasTileWaterClass(t) == WATER_CLASS_CANAL); 20:24:04 <Samu_> it boots the game 20:25:41 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.38.183] has joined #openttd 20:26:34 <Wolf01> hi hi 20:28:27 <Samu_> hi 20:28:30 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:33:16 <glx> Samu_: HasTileWaterClass() doesn't work like that 20:33:30 <glx> it just returns true or false 20:34:40 <Samu_> hum.. 20:37:10 <Samu_> assert(IsTileType(t, MP_WATER) || IsTileType(t, MP_STATION) || IsTileType(t, MP_INDUSTRY) || IsTileType(t, MP_OBJECT)); 20:37:20 <Samu_> what about canal? 20:37:28 <Samu_> waterclass 20:37:39 <Samu_> canal as waterclass, not canal=canal 20:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you're missing the point of an assert 20:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the assert tells you you're using the function wrong. 20:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> but that means you don't need to change the assert 20:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but to change where you USE the function 20:41:31 <Wolf01> today is a bad day... broken the code, fixed the code, code the broken, fixed the broken, broken the previous fix 20:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> now you just have to code the break 20:43:22 <Wolf01> better not, trust me 20:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> how about making a code break? 20:48:34 <Wolf01> that's the intent, but I need to wait at least until tomorrow evening.. when the dentist will try to break my mouth, then I'll ask a break for the next 2 working days :P 20:50:14 <Samu_> i think the assert is annoying me 20:50:22 <Samu_> what's wrong with the fucntion 20:50:42 <Wolf01> maybe it's not the right function to use 20:50:52 <Samu_> ah 20:51:15 <Samu_> let me look at road 20:52:15 <Samu_> there is no assert line at SetRoadOwner 20:52:31 <Samu_> I'm confused 20:53:06 <Wolf01> then it should need an "assert(IsRoad(t))" 20:53:37 <Samu_> : 20:53:59 <Samu_> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/road_map.h?rev=27175#L220 20:54:44 <Wolf01> it DOES have the assert, just follow the function calls 20:57:21 <Samu_> i dont get what that is 20:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu_: generally, whatever is in "@pre" should also be an assert 20:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu_: and also, the existing code is not always an example of how things should be done 21:02:34 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:50 <Wolf01> brain exploded 21:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> call the janitor 21:06:13 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 21:07:58 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE459F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:38 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 21:27:00 <Samu> oh, i have updated documentation for my "yet to exist" patch 21:27:21 <Samu> can you revise it please? 21:27:24 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 21:27:47 <Samu> i used microsoft word to edit html, dunno if it break anything 21:32:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:34:11 <Samu> hmm 21:34:14 <Samu> brb 21:36:41 <Samu> crap, word broke it 21:37:04 <Celestar> and that surprises you? 21:37:11 <Celestar> It's called Word for a reason. 21:37:16 <Samu> a bit 21:37:21 <Celestar> It works when you work on a single word. 21:37:27 <Celestar> it's not called Microsoft Book. 21:37:47 <Samu> it's saving as a web page, not as a single htlm 21:37:48 <Samu> why 21:38:09 <Celestar> Because Word is the worst product MS ever made :P 21:38:14 <Celestar> It has no ... use case. 21:38:44 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:39:22 <glx> oh it's ok to write a letter :) 21:39:41 <Celestar> I don't think so. 21:39:43 <Celestar> well 21:39:48 <Celestar> it is OK to write a letter, yes. 21:39:56 <Celestar> but there are tools that do that better. 21:40:36 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> letter as in the thing that makes up words, or letter as in the thing that you send by mail? 21:41:31 <glx> the mail thing 21:41:40 <Samu> can't uplaod html to forum 21:41:42 <Samu> :( 21:41:44 <Samu> i'm zipping this 21:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sie mÃŒssen erst den Nippel durch die Lasche ziehn 21:43:33 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i always liked the functionality of WordPerfect more than Word 21:43:56 <Samu> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=23B29F3DE45F6F1F!756&authkey=!ADSX9xO_wKwjGP4&ithint=file%2czip 21:44:20 <Eddi|zuHause> like, line numbering... whenever i tried that in Word, it ended up wrong, and unfixable. 21:45:07 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7466a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:46:37 <Samu> you can set the space after and before a line 21:46:38 <Celestar> WYSIWIG is a rotten concept for creating documents 21:47:03 <Celestar> I've never seen it produce even remotely useful results 21:47:11 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:21 <Celestar> 99.99% of word documents make me wanna vomit. 21:47:45 <Samu> tell me if it's opening the htmls fine 21:49:05 <Samu> i've edited class 5, 6, 8 and A 21:49:12 <Samu> at m1 and m6 parts 21:49:30 <Samu> but don't know if it's clear 21:54:06 <Samu> I still don't know if have to edit objects and tunnel/bridge 21:54:13 <Samu> because of aqueduct 21:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you find that out by placing asserts in the right places. when it blows up, you know you have to change it 21:56:33 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:57:56 <Samu> aqueducts are not canals, just found out 21:58:15 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE459F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:59:45 <Samu> who are object owners in the game? 21:59:54 <Samu> can a company own an object? 22:02:18 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 22:02:27 <Samu_> gah disconnections 22:02:55 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1836D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:06:23 <Samu_> SB(_me[t].m6, 2, 4, 0); SB(_me[t].m6, 0, 2, 0); SB(_me[t].m6, 6, 2, 0); 22:06:53 <Samu_> is this just me or is it the same as _me[t].m6 = 0 22:16:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:20:51 <Samu_> wow 22:22:20 <Oddingar> wish I could help, but got no clue, samu 22:22:37 <Samu_> i got this so far https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pttduycso 22:22:48 <Samu_> it can boot the game 22:23:09 <Samu_> i bet it is missing asserts 22:23:18 <Samu_> but don't know what to do about it 22:26:29 <Oddingar> what are you working on? 22:26:43 <Samu_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=72691 22:26:44 <Samu_> that 22:27:13 <Samu_> trying to store owners at m6 22:27:17 <Terkhen> good night 22:27:50 <Oddingar> good night, Terkhen 22:28:58 <Oddingar> looks like you got your hands full 22:29:42 <Samu_> can't put it in practice 22:30:23 <Samu_> setting water is working fine, apparently, but something is amiss 22:30:33 <Samu_> getting water ... no idea 22:30:38 <Samu_> i bet it's not 22:31:16 <Samu_> i didn't put anything related about OWNER_TOWN to OWNER_NONE conversion 22:32:52 <Oddingar> is it easy to pull information from industries and use it somewhere else? like write it over on a sign placed near an industry 22:43:46 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:40 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-177-242.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:48:19 <Samu_> seems like this deals with the issue 22:48:21 <Samu_> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p20tkxsoz 23:01:56 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 23:02:46 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-214.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:57 <Samu> m6= 0xc3 23:03:59 <Samu> :)))) 23:04:11 <Samu> canal owner none 23:04:15 <Samu> stored as owner_town 23:04:19 <Samu> much happy! 23:05:13 <Samu> but at m1 cell it is wrong lol 23:11:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CA9C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:16:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1836D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:24 <Oddingar> congrats :P 23:34:36 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/avgOBR5_460s_v1.jpg looks like a standard OTTD thing 23:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well. design by committee :) 23:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but obviously the continuation of that bridge as a bridge would have needed a much bigger bridge, to let ships pass 23:44:02 <Wolf01> 'night 23:44:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:47:09 *** _dp_ [~dP@92-100-245-206.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #openttd 23:50:33 <Samu> looks like i got to edit tile_map too