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00:02:06 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-169-205.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:22 <FLHerne> Morning 00:03:34 <drac_boy> hows you? 00:04:37 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:06:33 <drac_boy> hi super-cheesy-cheese :) 00:06:35 <drac_boy> heh 00:08:13 <Supercheese> Heh indeed 00:08:27 <drac_boy> hows you anyhow? :) 00:09:01 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-169-205.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:56 <Supercheese> more Factorio than OTTD currently 00:10:18 <drac_boy> heh ok 00:10:35 <FLHerne> Alright 00:10:57 <Supercheese> and will soon be more Battlefront than either of those 00:11:05 <drac_boy> <is still adding a little bit (very slowly) to this grf project but otherwise is a bit more busy trying to sort out a renewed model layout 00:11:53 <drac_boy> at least so far I've decided to perhaps go after a bemo rhb railcar .. seem nice for small layout re electric railcar with optional freight wagons :) 00:12:22 <FLHerne> Someone else waiting for that? :-) 00:13:17 <FLHerne> Although I'm worried it'll miss whatever made SWBF II such a fun game before 00:14:00 <drac_boy> btw if you were wondering ... this sort of train is what rhb has and it suits me nicely https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Trains_de_la_Bernina_en_hiver_5.jpg 00:14:20 <drac_boy> short and the fact that even to today (2015+ in fact) swizterland still knows how to run a proper mixed train :P 00:14:30 <Supercheese> yeah, I hope they'll re-add the combat between capital ships, where you have to launch on transports and board the other ship 00:14:36 <Supercheese> that was very fun 00:14:50 <drac_boy> heh ok 00:15:29 <FLHerne> drac_boy: Eep, definitely not a thing you'd see in the UK 00:16:53 <Wolf01> o/ 00:17:09 <drac_boy> flherne yeah..as the swiss people like to understand: mixed trains make better use of very light traffic that if forced to separate would have sounded the death of service from inflated costs and lack of traffic 00:17:35 <drac_boy> (for uk I guess you sorta could imagine trying to run a class 66 with only two wagons per every second day) 00:17:50 <FLHerne> ISTR there was a proposal to hang single wagons on the back of DMUs up in Scotland 00:17:51 <drac_boy> not trying to nitpick anyone else here ofc 00:18:25 <FLHerne> They have some very remote routes (i.e. awful roads), and low enough linespeeds that performance wouldn't be awful 00:19:23 <FLHerne> The problem was braking/coupling (passenger stock is mini-buckeye and electric brakes, freight air-braked with buffers or AAR buckeyes) 00:20:17 <FLHerne> You'd have to fit a pile of stuff to the DMUs, or stick translator vans on everything 00:21:09 <drac_boy> btw historic photo if that makes you feel any better? http://www.germansteam.co.uk/1962/K/07-323xx.jpg 00:21:38 <drac_boy> must be a train heading to stub-end station what with re the double brakevan staffing there 00:22:53 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 00:23:14 <FLHerne> Passengers in the middle of a train like that would be against the rulebook even in the steam era though 00:23:54 <drac_boy> hmm..maybe unique operation? dunno tbh. I just recall that sometimes some railroads had their own different way of things from others 00:24:26 <drac_boy> like the 9F only being placed on slower (and so usually freight) train but Southern wasn't afraid to let them run quite fast in passenger service (even with 5 heavy driveaxles) 00:24:48 <FLHerne> Especially in a train without through brakes, which that almost certainly is 00:25:27 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:25:49 <drac_boy> hmm maybe that explains the two brakevans or I dunno then from the sound of what you just said 00:26:22 <drac_boy> how about this with the coach up front? http://www.mdrs.org.uk/localrailways/nas_1411spadeoak.jpg 00:26:43 <FLHerne> Yeah, the thought of 9Fs on express passenger is astonishing O.o 00:26:45 <drac_boy> can't tell if thats an infamous Terrier or rather a different class :p 00:27:02 <FLHerne> No, 14xx 00:27:44 <drac_boy> mm whats a 14xx now? 00:27:49 <drac_boy> mind you I don't know a lot about uk steam 00:27:52 <FLHerne> Terriers are small-wheeled 0-6-0s (is that 0C0 in europeanish?) 00:28:16 <FLHerne> Little 0-4-2T, built by the GWR 00:28:48 <FLHerne> Both they and the autocoaches (that's one) were fitted with a primitive remote-control system 00:29:09 <FLHerne> So you could drive the train from a cab at the far end of the carriages 00:29:32 <FLHerne> Pikka does that nicely in UKRS2, although sadly only with the pannier tank 00:30:08 <drac_boy> ah.. meh to our own but I never understood this very-uk thing about using 0-4-2 and 2-4-0 when they just seem to pretty much have the same body and weight loading as a 0-6-0 00:31:12 <drac_boy> and heh .. I've always liked the idea behind the autocoach .. although hmm I still can't imagine the long slacks in the control rods to run two autocoaches at one end (which was done a few times apparently) 00:31:43 <FLHerne> 0-6-0 did become the standard later on, not really sure why not originally 00:31:55 <Supercheese> they kept the trains short to try top ameliorate that it seems 00:32:00 <Supercheese> try to* 00:33:34 <drac_boy> flherne btw its nothing to do with autocoaches but it does almost seem "similar" tho...this is from germany http://www.marklinfan.net/loco7/et87_01.jpg the power is in middle and the control cabs are at both coach ends 00:33:49 <FLHerne> I think two was the maximum, but you could get four-sets with two at each end 00:34:02 <drac_boy> http://nimga.de/m/efOX4.jpg and sometimes they'll slip a detachable coach fitted with its own cab on as traffic requires too 00:34:07 <FLHerne> At least three has been done in preservation, trying to find pics 00:34:31 <FLHerne> drac_boy: Now that's just an older take on one of those Stadler thingies 00:34:55 <drac_boy> its basically a (2+1)(B+1)(1+2) .. if I recall the UIC system right 00:35:32 <drac_boy> stadler? hm I must not know they did one too 00:35:36 * drac_boy goes to look 00:38:39 <drac_boy> must be me...I think I'll write down to try look for stadler trains tomorrow instead..cheers for the thought tho 00:39:17 <drac_boy> flherne on a side note what do you think of emus that basically only had 1-A trucks at both ends instead of B trucks as one usually would assume? 00:40:27 <FLHerne> I mean these things http://www.railengineer.uk/wp-content/uploads/FLIRT-DMU-online.jpg 00:40:39 <FLHerne> http://www.railvolution.net/railvolution/upload/elektriradutee-flirts-on-test_2_b.jpg 00:41:32 <FLHerne> I can't think of any UK ones off-hand, but it's not a thing I've thought about 00:41:43 <FLHerne> 378s have three axles on one car powered 00:41:50 <drac_boy> ahh I see my problem..was looking for stadler emus ... duh .. mm I can see where that funny little center body would make sense 00:42:36 <FLHerne> It seems like a neat idea, they're thinking of buying them here 00:43:12 <FLHerne> Idea is that when (if...) the electrification programme produces results, the power lump comes out and they can be straight EMUs 00:43:13 <drac_boy> flherne well this http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/article_data/images/5/161958_b.jpg was such a unit (and its not you..they actually used spooked tires on the powered axle and solid tires on the unpowered axle) .. and interestingly enough they still could be found running through mountain lines with several 2-axle coaches in tow ... I guess running at slower speeds does cause less induction for the two traction axles to slip tho 00:44:02 <FLHerne> That does seem like an odd idea, I wonder why they didn't just drive both? 00:44:11 <drac_boy> http://www.marklinfan.net/loco9/et89_05.jpg thats a LOT of coaches there :p 00:44:16 <FLHerne> Early design carrying over pony-truck ideas onto it? 00:45:13 <drac_boy> flherne heh well if you want know why .. its an early use of truck-mounted motors .. I think maybe space limit did rule out wanting to run two motors into each truck at the time 00:45:40 <drac_boy> not sure .. I just know they still managed to run trains (not just themself) through mountains without a problem .. must be good design anyhow :) 00:48:11 <FLHerne> Quite surprising, two driven axles shouldn't be able to do that :P 00:48:16 <FLHerne> Anyway, I should sleep! 00:48:20 <FLHerne> Goodnight 00:48:31 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-177.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 00:48:35 <drac_boy> bye flherne ;) 00:48:39 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 00:49:11 * drac_boy makes a note to find more about uk mixed's just for his humor :) 00:50:50 <drac_boy> anyway I think I'll go for now too 00:50:54 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has left #openttd [] 01:05:26 <Wolf01> 'night 01:05:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:12:08 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-169-205.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:40 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:02 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-169-205.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:05 <Eddi|zuHause> <FLHerne> Terriers are small-wheeled 0-6-0s (is that 0C0 in europeanish?) <-- just °C". you don't write 0s 01:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> aw. he's gone 02:01:21 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:10:32 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-177.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:02 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 02:51:45 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:57:13 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 03:32:14 *** __ln__ [~lauri@2001:2003:f22a:4600:250:43ff:fe01:4a71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:38 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:24 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:08 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:48:13 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-169-205.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 04:52:00 *** fjb is now known as Guest8334 04:52:01 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:55:07 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-169-205.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:59:07 *** Guest8334 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:06:25 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4F52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:10:29 *** __ln__ [~lauri@2001:2003:f22a:4600:250:43ff:fe01:4a71] has joined #openttd 07:11:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:12:14 <greeter> greetings Progman 07:15:32 *** Antheus [Antheus@janus.theender.net] has quit [Quit: Bow down to your Lord Antheus] 07:15:35 *** Antheus [Antheus@janus.theender.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:05 *** JezK_ [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 07:42:13 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:01:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@tinodidriksen.com] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 09:27:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@tinodidriksen.com] has joined #openttd 09:32:58 *** tuyenhnp [~tuyenhnp@1.53.215.152] has joined #openttd 09:34:38 <tuyenhnp> hello 09:35:19 <tuyenhnp> Who are here? 09:38:21 <tuyenhnp> @logs 09:38:21 <DorpsGek> tuyenhnp: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 09:41:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:06 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: Sheogorath, @planetmaker, V453000, heffer, Hazzard, @Rubidium, ^Spike^, Xaroth|Work, @peter1138, dihedral, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:52:22 *** Netsplit over, joins: @peter1138, Sheogorath, @Rubidium, Mek, rellig, Ammler, Hirundo, heffer, kais58_, avdg (+11 more) 09:52:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 09:53:07 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: Sheogorath, @planetmaker, V453000, heffer, Hazzard, @Rubidium, ^Spike^, Xaroth|Work, @peter1138, dihedral, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:53:14 *** Netsplit over, joins: @peter1138, Sheogorath, @Rubidium, Mek, rellig, Ammler, Hirundo, heffer, kais58_, avdg (+11 more) 09:54:00 *** Netsplit over, joins: __ln__, fjb, Flygon_, juzza1, Stachel-Gewitter, m1cr0man, Wipe, TheDude, @Terkhen 09:54:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 09:54:30 *** Netsplit over, joins: zwamkat, Fuco, Markk, @DorpsGek, LadyHawk, Guest8015, Osai, Yexo, APTX, zeknurn (+5 more) 09:54:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 09:54:58 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, orudge`, @peter1138, SmatZ, Sacro, SpComb, Prof_Frink, jonty-comp, _dp_, MeSaber (+97 more) 10:21:32 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.183.59] has joined #openttd 10:42:03 <tuyenhnp> hello 10:46:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:46:45 <Wolf01> o/ 10:47:26 <__ln__> | 10:47:38 <__ln__> /\ 10:48:26 <Wolf01> we must retry 10:48:30 <Wolf01> \o/ 10:48:50 <__ln__> <| 10:49:01 <__ln__> \ 10:49:34 <Wolf01> what's the < ? 10:54:36 <__ln__> the gradient of motion? 10:55:01 <Wolf01> for a moment i thought it was a third arm 10:58:00 <tuyenhnp> lalala 11:00:25 *** tuyenhnp [~tuyenhnp@1.53.215.152] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:13:10 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 11:49:19 <__ln__> looking at tuyenhnp, the world is really running out of IPv4 addresses. 12:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the world is doomed! 12:31:38 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:00 *** fjb is now known as Guest8362 12:32:02 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:15 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:35:46 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:54 *** Guest8362 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:01 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:06 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:07 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:36:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:37:27 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:30 *** Fuco_ [foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:37:30 *** Fuco [foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:27 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:21 <Stachel-Gewitter> __ln__: Reading it in the backlog, I'm glad once IPv6 gets standard regardless of it's aweful long IPs. 12:45:21 <Stachel-Gewitter> That said, mobile networks could benefit from v6 quite well. 12:50:20 <__ln__> indeed they could 12:52:03 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@84.48.176.134] has joined #openttd 12:52:12 <Stachel-Gewitter> __ln__: T-Mobile just started to use IPv6 for their service but as their contracts are super expensive in my opinion, I rather keep waiting until someone cheap goes v6 as well. 12:52:29 <__ln__> i'm using IPv6 on my cell phone 13:30:31 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:41 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:50 <peter1138> IPs don't have to be long. 13:38:02 <Stachel-Gewitter> __ln__: Lucky you. It isn't standard for German providers as far as I know but at least they managed to get v6 rolling for wired connections. 13:39:18 <Stachel-Gewitter> peter1138: Say hello to IPv6. 13:40:15 <__ln__> ::1 is an IPv6 address 13:40:24 <__ln__> very short 13:40:33 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 13:40:34 <Stachel-Gewitter> localhost doesn't count. 13:45:31 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:25 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@84.48.176.134] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 14:04:46 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 14:48:17 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:57 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:05 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:15 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:49 *** root [~root@176.2.68.137] has joined #openttd 15:09:05 *** root [~root@176.2.68.137] has quit [] 15:20:34 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 15:21:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 15:48:01 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:48:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:53:23 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C3F6900E92FDF06F5294925.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:00 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C3F6900E92FDF06F5294925.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:12 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C3F6900E92FDF06F5294925.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:15 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BDEA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:54:31 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 17:20:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:17 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:05 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-220-130.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:41:33 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-220-130.tal.is] has joined #openttd 17:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27441 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-10 18:45:08 +0100 ) 17:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:18 <DorpsGek> spanish - 3 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 17:55:42 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:11:30 <planetmaker> good evenink 18:12:16 <planetmaker> Alberth, thanks for the patch yesterday to ogfx-landscape :) It's committed 18:14:31 <Alberth> I saw that, thanks for committing it 18:16:52 <Alberth> there are probably quite a few more similar problems in other projects 18:17:00 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 18:17:06 <Alberth> assuming they all copied the template 18:17:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f7432f9.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:26 <Alberth> hola 18:17:34 <planetmaker> probably, yes 18:17:38 <planetmaker> quak :) 18:19:16 <frosch123> hoi 18:23:29 <Alberth> hmm, you'd think we'd have more suggestions for traffic lights, but apparently not 18:33:49 <planetmaker> hm, why? 18:35:41 <V453000> yay bug tracker emailing me success \o/ 18:35:54 <Alberth> ha :p 18:36:19 <Alberth> usually not a good sign, especially if you can get assigned to bugs :p 18:36:48 <V453000> which I cant :P 18:44:44 *** theholyduck__ [sid10277@id-10277.ealing.irccloud.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:45:05 *** theholyduck__ [sid10277@id-10277.ealing.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:03 <Alberth> you're quite safe then :) 18:51:20 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:14:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:12 <andythenorth> o/ 19:15:19 <frosch123> it's a cat! 19:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a north 19:16:30 <andythenorth> apparently 19:22:53 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:25:23 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.183.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:10 * andythenorth has not played the game 19:39:59 *** berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:44:49 *** berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has joined #openttd 19:47:07 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:52:44 * andythenorth browses forums 19:53:14 <andythenorth> nothing 19:55:56 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:34 <frosch123> how does the firs python stuff work? 19:56:53 <frosch123> do industries have fixed cargos? 19:57:06 <frosch123> or can they switch depending on economy? 19:57:21 <frosch123> processed_cargos_and_output_ratios=[('AORE', 2), ('RFPR', 2), ('SCMT', 4)], <- i see something like that, what does that mean? 19:58:05 <andythenorth> ha ha, many questions :) 19:58:34 <frosch123> i want an easy way to extract what industries accept/produce what in which economy 19:58:48 <andythenorth> the numbers in those tuples are the production ratios as fractions of 8 19:58:48 <frosch123> i could ofc patch ottd :p 19:58:55 <andythenorth> they are summed in the calculation 19:59:05 <andythenorth> also, the docs already do what you want :) 19:59:31 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html 19:59:59 <frosch123> ah, so i can just patch that :) 20:00:11 <andythenorth> the docs creation takes care of figuring out which cargos are active per economy 20:00:24 <andythenorth> and then which industries are active 20:00:34 <andythenorth> there are some _fairly horrible_ mapping structures 20:00:39 <andythenorth> which you can repurpose 20:00:53 <andythenorth> all web apps seem to grow horrible mapping structures when rendering the page :P 20:01:04 * andythenorth looks 20:01:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: src/render_docs.py 20:01:38 <andythenorth> stuff like industry_find_industries_active_in_economy_for_cargo 20:01:50 <frosch123> looks like i may try to add another docs template which outputs a graphviz script 20:01:52 <andythenorth> there are some spiders there, but itâs ok 20:02:03 <andythenorth> oh ho :) 20:02:12 <andythenorth> does graphviz output a png or such? 20:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> spiders as in bots that search webpages? 20:02:21 <frosch123> andythenorth: yes 20:02:31 <andythenorth> spiders as in, cobwebs, arachnids, things you donât want to touch 20:02:34 <frosch123> i thought about adding some special cases for supply cargos 20:02:54 <frosch123> if i remove those, i hope the resulting graph will look okay 20:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i never could teach graphviz the kind of graph i would actually like to get out of it 20:03:02 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: https://funsubstance.com/uploads/gif/63/63300.gif 20:03:08 *** greeter [fresh@2604:180:2:117:cafe:babe:dead:beef] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:03:18 *** greeter [fresh@2604:180:2:117:cafe:babe:dead:beef] has joined #openttd 20:03:46 <frosch123> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/images/grfwiki/f/f1/CargoMagic10.dot.png <- it can't be worse than that :) 20:06:47 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 20:06:56 <andythenorth> itâs much less worse than that :D 20:07:03 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:24 <andythenorth> frosch123: ping me if you want any help, I have nothing else to do tonight, and I have no fun projects 20:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: first problem is i can't enforce a specific node placement/embedding 20:07:54 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that's the whole point 20:08:49 <frosch123> and you can influence it somewhat 20:09:25 <andythenorth> do you set weights and then trust the layout algorithm? 20:09:28 * andythenorth has never used it 20:11:17 <frosch123> you give it a basic hint, which would be in this case "mostly acyclic", and then describe the nodes and edges 20:21:36 <andythenorth> âDAG (mostly)â 20:21:37 <andythenorth> :P 20:29:46 <Eddi|zuHause> sure. but that works as well as "automatic vehicle separation"... 20:34:04 *** innocenat [sid8070@id-8070.ealing.irccloud.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:34:25 *** innocenat [sid8070@id-8070.ealing.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 20:58:58 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C3F6900E92FDF06F5294925.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: iostat] 21:07:42 <andythenorth> rainfall rivers 21:17:33 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-112-179.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:28 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-112-179.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 21:27:41 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 21:30:16 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 21:50:42 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:16 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:39 *** urdh [~urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:12 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:10:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:11:25 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-112-179.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:01 *** urdh [~urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:56 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-112-179.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:24:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:31:56 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.mo.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:32:08 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.mo.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:16 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:35:40 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:35:52 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:42 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:16 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:24 *** Extrems [super@presper.ipv6.extremscorner.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:03:47 *** Extrems [super@presper.ipv6.extremscorner.org] has joined #openttd 23:08:22 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 23:27:15 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:27:30 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has joined #openttd 23:36:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A191B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:44:54 *** JezK_ [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 23:45:46 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 23:45:48 <drac_boy> hi 23:58:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f7432f9.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn]