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01:43:18  <Wolf01> 'night
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07:18:51  <andythenorth> o/
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10:35:48  <argoneus> \o
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11:05:09  <fjb> Moin
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12:15:55  <Wolf01> hi hi
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13:52:17  <andythenorth> o/
13:52:36  <greeter> greetings andythenorth
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14:33:09  <andythenorth> ho ho
14:33:15  <andythenorth> anyone playing this? http://dinopoloclub.com/minimetro/
14:34:15  <greeter> what is it?
14:34:32  <andythenorth> game
14:34:39  <greeter> ah i see
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15:11:28  <frosch123> hoi
15:11:44  <greeter> greetings frosch123
15:11:51  <frosch123> andythenorth: i made some things: https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/firs/html2/economies.html https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/firs/diffs/
15:12:09  <andythenorth> frosch123: :)
15:13:22  <andythenorth> the removal of manufacturing supplies arrows was wise
15:15:13  <andythenorth> RT 3 did similar with fertiliser http://hawkdawg.com/img/rrt/rt3/1024_Industry_Chart.jpg
15:15:49  <frosch123> i also had a version with the preview images
15:16:01  <frosch123> but graphviz cannot scale them, so they were way too big
15:16:05  <andythenorth> yeah
15:16:11  <andythenorth> I could scale them
15:16:19  <andythenorth> but it might be tmwftlb
15:16:25  <andythenorth> they won’t look crisp
15:16:47  <frosch123> well, apparently it would be enough to give them some different dpi information
15:16:55  <andythenorth> hmm
15:18:37  <frosch123> https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/firs/diffs/10_fixes.diff <- some industries were missing the 'life_type' (paper and steel mill irc), so i moved it to the baseclass
15:24:56  <andythenorth> I wonder why I didn’t do that already
15:24:58  <andythenorth> thanks :)
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17:23:29  <Alberth> hihi
17:23:35  <andythenorth> lo
17:25:11  <frosch123> i made some more pictures: https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/firs/suggestions/BASIC_TROPIC2.dot.svg https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/firs/suggestions/MISTAH_KURTZ2.dot.svg
17:25:58  <frosch123> i think the kurtz economy lacks a key feature cargo :)
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17:26:44  <andythenorth> hmm :)
17:31:17  <frosch123> i think cargo transport directly between blue (black hole) industries is a BAD FEATURE
17:31:28  <frosch123> so, i removed the link from basic tropic
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17:31:46  <frosch123> the only one left is in kurtz, but i guess it is fine in the kurtz context
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18:20:18  <Alberth> a man of very few words :)
18:23:11  <Alberth> food and alcohol seem to be very alike in basic tropic?
18:23:31  <Alberth> exactly the same destinations
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18:25:18  <Mazur> It would be nice, for variety,  to have some more simple primaries/secondaries combinations like but different from the regular set.
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18:26:07  <Mazur> Just a thought.
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19:08:13  <andythenorth> Mazur: o_O ?
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19:11:23  <andythenorth> Alberth: any BB ideas recently? o_O
19:11:35  * andythenorth has been not paying attention here recently
19:11:42  <andythenorth> shipping a RL v2
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19:14:40  <Alberth> :o
19:14:48  <Alberth> congrats
19:15:31  <Mazur> I just mean,  always hauling coal, wood, livestock, grain, oil, gets a bit repetetive, of course there's tropical, whihc is a bit different, but not much, or Martian, whihc is rather sweet for a diabetic...
19:15:42  <Alberth> nope, no new ideas, other than lack of concentrated cargo movement demands, but that's more in the alley of SV
19:16:15  <Mazur> Then there's FIRS or YETI, but htey get quite complicated.
19:17:07  <Alberth> there's also toyland :)
19:17:26  <Mazur> That's what I meant when I said Martian.
19:18:34  <Alberth> there is also a supposedly martian economy for toyland
19:19:27  <Alberth> andy, in my current game I have stopped bothering with BB, until it gives me more sane goals :)
19:19:39  <Mazur> Anyway, like I said, just a thought, since at Public we seem to play the same sets over and over.
19:20:29  <Mazur> Just my personal feeling.
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19:28:12  <V453000> YETI is just as complicated as you let it be :P you can only use 2 cargoes for example
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19:33:01  <Mazur> You tell that to the plan makers and voters.
19:34:38  <andythenorth> Mazur: tried OpenGFX+ industries?
19:35:02  <andythenorth> nothing new, but cargos can be mixed more between climates
19:35:08  <andythenorth> or tried FIRS basic?
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19:42:44  <frosch123> damn, how does evolution manage to even open a window that has global keyboard focus
19:42:52  <frosch123> or maybe kde is broken
19:42:58  * frosch123 should have stayed on wheezy
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19:48:58  <Alberth> it's not evolution that's broken?
19:49:27  <frosch123> no idea, i have been trying to send an email for an hour
19:49:38  <frosch123> it's the first outgoing mail since i updated to jessie
19:50:04  <frosch123> i never understood how it is possible to receive mails, but not send them via the same account :)
19:50:13  <frosch123> but that's a problem i have had before
19:52:00  <frosch123> well, someone knows whether kmail is better than evolution?
19:52:18  <frosch123> evolution seems to have the same bugs as it had in wheezy, in some more
19:56:34  <FLHerne> KMail2? Wipe all your emails and save some time, IME
19:57:09  <TrueBrain> just use netcat
19:57:12  <Eearslya> So, possibly a noob mistake, I'm trying to compile in MSVC right now and a few files in the OpenTTD essentials are throwing a ton of errors out; mostly missing semicolons and such. Not quite sure where I went wrong.
19:57:31  <FLHerne> It cleverly organises and indexes your mail in a SQL database, which it then happily corrupts, almost without fail, every feature release
19:58:45  <FLHerne> Eearslya: Have you patched it, or just plain OTTD source?
20:00:37  <Eearslya> Just the trunk, downloaded it this morning
20:03:43  <andythenorth> this is my evening gone http://dinopoloclub.com/minimetro/
20:03:49  <andythenorth> 1507 pax so far
20:03:58  <andythenorth> can’t get longer than 64 days
20:09:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i play banished correctly... i ran out of tools, my toolmaker is not built yet, and i have everyone on food, but i don't get enough food to feed everyone...
20:10:10  <andythenorth> games are rubbish
20:10:13  <andythenorth> we’re rubbish at them
20:10:17  <andythenorth> let’s write code instead
20:10:39  <frosch123> any wishes left for the cargo graphs?
20:10:42  <andythenorth> frosch123: I’m not ignoring your diffs, just doing other stuff ;)
20:10:53  <andythenorth> ‘not serif font’ ? o_O
20:11:04  <andythenorth> presumably it has some stylesheet thing?
20:11:16  <frosch123> it's a svg
20:12:35  <frosch123> it has some "class=" in the source
20:12:40  <frosch123> but no idea what they link to
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20:12:55  <drac_boy> hi
20:14:09  <andythenorth> I need to learn that
20:14:17  <andythenorth> might be interesting
20:14:48  <andythenorth> graphviz becomes a dependency for FIRS?
20:15:09  <frosch123> yes, but i put an "if" in the makefil
20:15:21  <andythenorth> might need installing on bundles
20:15:22  <frosch123> so, if it is not installed, it skips the images
20:15:44  <frosch123> i already did
20:16:17  <andythenorth> :)
20:18:25  <andythenorth> http://www.graphviz.org/content/external-css-possible-svg-output#comments
20:21:00  <Eearslya> Nobody else has any idea why I'm getting the errors?
20:21:49  <frosch123> you could try pasting something to paste.openttdcoop.org
20:22:17  <frosch123> but other than hat, likely noone here compiles on windows
20:23:37  <frosch123> yeah, kill -9 evolution !
20:25:17  <drac_boy> heh? :)
20:28:44  <Eddi|zuHause> Eearslya: we can't really mind-read your errors
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20:29:50  <__ln__> some of us can't
20:31:48  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you forgot your smiley :P
20:32:05  <Eddi|zuHause> did i really?
20:32:10  <Eddi|zuHause> damn
20:34:41  <andythenorth> what else could I play?
20:34:43  <andythenorth> Boom Beach?
20:34:48  <andythenorth> Flight Control HD?
20:37:58  <Wolf01> pacman
20:38:39  <Eearslya> Eddi|zuHause: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/psanjrfkd
20:38:59  <andythenorth> pacman :P
20:39:50  <Eddi|zuHause> Eearslya: are you sure you downloaded the correct version of openttd's useful.zip?
20:40:40  <Eearslya> I downloaded 5.1 originally, but that came up with linker errors. I checked the forums, and one of the posts directed me to download 6.0 instead, which is now giving me these
20:42:43  <Eddi|zuHause> did you delete the old version before installing the new one?
20:43:03  <Eearslya> Yep
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20:43:46  <Eddi|zuHause> which version of msvc are you using?
20:44:14  <Eearslya> 2015 community, 14.0.23107.0
20:45:52  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, then i'm out of ideas...
20:46:17  <Wolf01> i don't have any problem compiling with that, check if you got the right zip https://www.openttd.org/en/download-openttd-useful
20:48:23  <Eearslya> If I compile with the essentials from there, I instead get these https://paste.openttdcoop.org/puuzz90w6
20:50:00  <glx> yes 5.1 doesn't work with 2015
20:50:04  <drac_boy> just wondering, whats *-useful for?
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20:51:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i still think you made some mistake that ended up mixing files from different versions
20:51:55  <michi_cc> Eearslya: Make sure to list the directories from the useful zip first in MSVC. Apparently freetype and the Windows SDK have a file name conflict otherwise.
20:52:34  <Wolf01> glx, are you sure? it works for me o_O
20:53:15  <glx> Wolf01: it works for me too, because I forced win7 sdk
20:53:59  <Eearslya> I couldn't even install Win7's SDK, apparently my .NET is too new. Trying to build now with the rearranged include path
20:56:45  <Wolf01> mmmh, maybe it did automatically for me, i installed the win10 sdk just one week ago, so it must had the win7 one as default
20:57:06  <Eearslya> Bingo; putting essentials at the front of the path fixed it! Thanks michi_cc
20:58:27  <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: that seems unnecessarily complicated. can't you just rename the file?
20:59:50  <michi_cc> No, I'm not going to rename Freetype header files which will then randomly break if somebody on Linux changes OTTD.
21:01:09  <Eearslya> Complicated? It was a 30-second fix for me..
21:02:49  <Alberth> complicated in you spending time to figure it out
21:03:01  <Alberth> fix once you know what is wrong is always simple
21:03:07  <Wolf01> it might need a wiki page
21:03:14  <glx> I never remember where are the config files :)
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21:07:38  <drac_boy> nevermind..will find out later as need to afk now
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23:30:47  <Wolf01> 'night
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