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07:29:23 <Wolf01> o/ 07:29:24 <argoneus> (did I get the time right this time?) 07:29:30 <Wolf01> yeah 07:46:06 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:51 *** Sixtowns [~anonz@host172.190-137-202.telecom.net.ar] has joined #openttd 07:57:39 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 08:48:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:05:27 *** Sixtowns [~anonz@host172.190-137-202.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18:30 <Wolf01> somebody purchased games from kinguin/g2play and got a problem with the keys? 09:21:15 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:54:33 <argoneus> Wolf01: all keys worked for me so far 09:54:45 <argoneus> from kinguin that is 09:55:51 <Wolf01> I purchased the bundle of fallout 4 + season pass, but the season pass key was duplicated and after I opened a ticket they removed all the F4+SP bundles :( 09:56:10 <Wolf01> I think they have a problem with the keys 09:57:16 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:59 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 10:07:11 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08357e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: tiuq\] 10:07:30 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 10:35:31 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:45 <argoneus> rip 10:39:54 <argoneus> Wolf01: use the live chat on kinguin 10:39:59 <argoneus> it's actually really helpful 10:42:01 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@ppp-94-66-129-96.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 10:43:49 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:16 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:33 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:58 <Flygon> Dumb question 10:46:11 <Flygon> Is there a Dutch Motorway Object set variant for Japanese roads? 10:46:16 <Flygon> Nothing popped on up BaNaNas 11:13:37 <Wolf01> bah, I can't understand how many screenshots they want to be able to know I can't redeem the key 11:20:53 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:44 <Flygon> I'd use it in US mode... but it'd look weird 11:39:22 <peter1138> Wolf01, next time, legit keys 11:40:50 <Wolf01> paying twice, yes 11:41:24 <Wolf01> btw, the verified stores should sell legit keys 11:41:31 <Wolf01> like the bundles 11:42:00 <peter1138> verified? by who? 11:44:31 *** ektor [~ektor@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #openttd 11:54:04 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:54 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:35 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> by the verificator. 12:33:35 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:08 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:50 <peter1138> Sub-Total: £746.74 12:52:59 <peter1138> VR is too damn expensive 12:53:59 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 13:02:57 <Montana> Hi all: I have a problem wien uploading to Bananas; i try to upload a file, but i get this message: "There is already a package with the unique id '47434552'.". Can naybody help me? 13:17:40 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 13:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Montana: if it's a version update, it must probably be uploaded with the same account as the first version 13:29:33 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.44] has joined #openttd 13:35:46 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i figured out why suggestion algorithms (like youtube videos, personalized ads, etc.) are so terrible. they have no concept of me being saturated with a certain kind of content, so "more of the same" will grow ever more annoying. 13:43:12 <peter1138> they also tend to include stuff you already watched a couple of views ago... 13:47:10 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:25 <supermop> yo 13:57:17 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that's just a special case of what i said 14:02:49 <supermop> so i've drawn my belts as catenaries, so they can be tall, 14:04:09 <supermop> but the two different simple rail sets i looked at on dev zone do not seem to have catenary sprites, so unsure what exactly a catenary sprite sheet would look at 14:04:32 <supermop> also unsure how to get a project page for the belts so i can put what i have there for review 14:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: there's a "dutch catenary" set, but that probably is not what you're looking for 14:06:05 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: probably nor, but i assume i should at least format my sprites in a similar manner? 14:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> in generally, catenary is drawn as two alternating tiles, a single-tile filler sprite, and an end-piece for tunnel entrances 14:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and the sloped versions thereof, without the tunnel tile 14:07:46 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:07:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:07:49 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:15 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 14:08:40 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> note that drawing belts as catenary will probably screw with your display of vehicles 14:12:21 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: poles and wire are separate sprites though right? i recall from making stations that you could disable one or the other independently 14:18:00 <supermop> i am not sure if its possible to have the "poles" drawn so they are behind a vehicle - but my intention is to have the belt surface, supports, and back edge of structure as the "pole" positioned behind the vehicle position, and the front edge and 'hoops' that cover the belt would be the wire? 14:18:48 <Montana> how is unique ID assigned at Bananas? 14:19:07 <supermop> if that doesn't work could just 'flatten' the back half and draw it as regular track sprites, and only the front and cover is catenary 14:21:13 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: if you look at a firs clay pit, the reddish/pink bars over the belt are what i am referring to. Also these belts are so small i guess i'd be ok with never seeing the vehicles unless user hides overhead 14:21:54 <supermop> as the vehicle is just going to be a 1 or 2 px wide black smear (or red for ore) 14:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot affect the position of the poles, the game places them "randomly" in the front or the back 14:22:49 <supermop> ok 14:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think "never see vehicles" is a good option, even if they are just 2 pixels 14:25:21 <supermop> i have more 'philosophical' work to do later about what the functionality of this should be 14:28:22 <supermop> is it expensive infrastructure but very high capacity and fast speed, or is it just a slow drip to smooth out bulk mineral deliveries? should one beltline be enough to handle all of the monthly deliveries of a busy powerplant/steel mill etc over the course of the month? or do users build more belts to increase capacity 14:29:09 <supermop> for now though i just want some cute functional belts,, and i can adjust the speed and size of the 'piles' that travel the belt later 14:37:01 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i was assuming it's the functional equivalent of the pipes GRF, just for bulk instead of liquid 14:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't agree with the functionality of the pipes GRF anyway. 14:47:12 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: same, but until there is some kind of new "continuous waytype" for gondolas, pipes, conveyors etc i think this is the best we can do 14:47:54 <supermop> but i dont think it should be the high speed to represent continous delivery of pipes 14:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure i said this before, but it would probably work better as a roadtype, so you can have many small vehicles densely packed 14:49:41 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 14:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and don't need extra tiles for a "return trip" 14:50:50 <supermop> because i envision a use case that is specifically to slow down deliveries. If your steel mill gets 1000t of iron ore once every 3 months by train, and 600t of coal once every 4 months, you might rarely ever get the production bonus 14:51:44 <supermop> maybe the belt lets you instead deliver that coal 50t every 10 days 14:52:36 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: if you use the belt as a shuttle you dont need a return belt 14:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's the point, if you have a belts-as-railtype to deliver 50t every 10 days, you could also just have trains deliver 50t every 10 days 14:54:59 <supermop> or trucks 14:55:04 <supermop> or even barges 14:55:54 <supermop> or wheelbarrows 14:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is, if you implement belts as railtype, you can only make them equal, better or worse than trains. not an uncomparable with niche uses 14:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> at least not when you consider an arbitrary newgrf train set being used, where you don't know anything about possible niches left open 14:58:00 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: i don't know if it will be possible to fully balance it but my idea is that the belt infrastructure is fairly expensive, but the piles of stuff are cheap and possibly slow 14:58:48 <supermop> so that the belt is better suited to deliveries over a small distance, where the shuttle effect is most straightforward anyway 14:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but "shuttle" is a terrible idea, because the game incentivizes you to have always a vehicle loading 15:00:10 <supermop> of course anyone could could add a train grf with refit to anything trains, which are also refittable to the exact capacity you want 15:00:30 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest614 15:00:31 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:44 <supermop> so it is impossible to balance anything against unknown future vehicles 15:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it is impossible to balance the game anyway. 15:01:38 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: at a source industry you generally need two stations each always loading a vehicle if you want all of the cargo 15:02:27 <supermop> but at some intermediate coal dump as long as the rating is over 50% you could have the 'last mile' belt in station only 1/2 the time or less 15:04:36 <supermop> roadtype could work if andy gets there, but as is i think the various "subways/monorails/etc" should be coded as trams are even worse than using railtypes for these 15:05:20 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:32 *** Guest614 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:33 <supermop> as then you end up with your subway/monorail/chairlift potentially stuck in traffic 15:11:06 <supermop> anyway, i think it will be a huge mess finding the appropriate performance of belts 15:11:09 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:31 <supermop> but even if it is indistinguishable from a train, i think there will some advantage among some niche users who find building little rail networks around their mines or steel mills or power plants just doesn't look good to them (even though historically all of these would probably have some small internal rail system) 15:16:22 <supermop> seeing as some users seem to like building beltlines out of objects or stations already 15:25:27 <supermop> sigh 15:31:31 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:51 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 15:34:05 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 15:34:31 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:23 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:42 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 15:36:45 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the 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[~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 16:14:28 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:58 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:14 <Samu> hi all 16:23:55 *** shirish [~quassel@117.223.93.107] has joined #openttd 16:36:08 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC145B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CFE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:24 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:32 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:54:27 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:33 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:32 *** supermop 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I'm completely blocked in my thoughts 17:20:36 *** Ttech [ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Este é o fim.] 17:20:39 <Samu> already had a headache because of this, i'm exhausted 17:21:36 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27562 trunk/configure (2016-05-12 19:24:06 +0200 ) 17:24:14 <DorpsGek> -Fix: forgot one (hidden) case to force sorting to be locale independent 17:26:13 <Alberth> locale independent sorting, sounds quite nontrivial 17:26:35 <Matombo> Hi 17:26:47 <Alberth> o/ 17:26:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18B9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:21 <Matombo> is there a way to mass replace vehicles with the same type of vehicle? 17:27:35 <Alberth> autorenew? 17:27:57 <Alberth> somewhere in the settings 17:27:57 <Matombo> i have a lot of aging trucks and don't want to do it mnually, i also don't want to set autoreplace for every vehicle 17:28:17 <Matombo> but autorenew is for every vehicle 17:28:36 <Matombo> i still want to do it manually 17:28:45 <Matombo> like with the replacement dialoge 17:28:51 *** Ttech [~ttech@dragons.have.mostlyincorrect.info] has joined #openttd 17:28:57 <Matombo> but not with a new vehicle type but with the same 17:29:02 <Alberth> then you need to do some programming first 17:29:23 <Matombo> damn 17:29:41 <Matombo> is there a mod somewhere that already implements this? xD 17:30:15 <Alberth> mod? what's that? 17:30:33 <Alberth> I know about source code patch, newgrfs, and scripts (GS and AI) 17:30:50 <Alberth> it all modifies things 17:30:53 <Alberth> *they 17:31:38 <Alberth> but afaik, there is nothing in your direction 17:32:30 <Matombo> dang 17:32:41 <Matombo> well thanks anyway 17:32:48 <Alberth> one of the problems with programming games, users always want things that are not implemented :) 17:33:49 <Alberth> why is autorenew of everything a problem? 17:34:28 <Alberth> you just get new vehicles that are otherwise exactly the same 17:35:17 <Matombo> i want to decide wen i spent money, i now i can set some options when the autorenew triggers, but i would still prefere doing the klick myself 17:35:55 <Matombo> btw thanks for the awsome game wasted more hours the last week on it than on darksouls 2 xD 17:36:07 <Alberth> haha :) 17:36:20 <Alberth> addiction wears off in about 5-10 years :p 17:36:29 <Matombo> and more hours than on my homework 17:36:37 <Matombo> oh good to know 17:38:19 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:37 <Matombo> well a feature request for 1.7 or so: make the current vehicle type in the autoreplace dialog available too (maybe "hidden" behind a advanced setting) 17:38:55 <Matombo> would that be possible? 17:39:11 <Alberth> I think that has been proposed before, and it makes sense to me 17:39:42 <Alberth> practically everything is possible, it's mostly a matter of finding a person that wants to spend a few months on it 17:40:00 <Matombo> month? 17:40:13 <supermop__> how is replace like with like different than autorenew? 17:40:18 <Matombo> why is it so complicated altering the list of displayed options? 17:40:38 <Matombo> it's toggle manually 17:40:53 <Alberth> well, feel free to proof me wrong then 17:40:53 <supermop__> hmm now i have 2 _s 17:41:10 <V453000> it is interesting that almost every single player who sends me personal messages or emails, is czech, and doesn§ 17:41:14 <V453000> t know I am as well 17:41:18 <Matombo> i have no clue of the source code xD 17:41:21 <_dp_> if you just add same type vehicles will end up constantly replacing since there is no age limit in autoreplace 17:41:29 <Alberth> :) 17:41:41 <Matombo> i read somewhere it was ported from a game written in assembler? 17:42:28 <Matombo> but autoreplace has the function "only replace old vehicles" 17:43:12 <Alberth> how does that function then? 17:43:32 <Alberth> what does "enable" or "disable" mean there? 17:43:44 <Matombo> i thought the only replace old vehicles option replaces all aged vehicles 17:44:09 <Alberth> how to preserve the old functionality without having two means to do the same thing 17:44:32 <Alberth> autoreplace starts replacing as soon as you click "replace on" 17:44:55 <Alberth> and if you click the same model at both sides it doesn't? 17:45:05 <Alberth> how is that consistent to the user? 17:45:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27563 /trunk/src/lang (korean.txt spanish_MX.txt) (2016-05-12 19:45:36 +0200 ) 17:45:45 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> korean: 1 change by Gimel3830 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> spanish (mexican): 93 changes by Absay 17:45:50 <Matombo> a i see my thought error 17:46:15 <Matombo> i thought the start replacing is a one time trigger that replacesall current vehicles 17:46:27 <Matombo> but not the one build in the future 17:46:46 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:54 <Alberth> it does all forever, until out of money or turned off :) 17:47:02 <Alberth> I have it switched on always :) 17:47:52 <Alberth> but adding a display options is the simplest part of it all 17:48:34 <Alberth> most work is in making it all work seamlessly and consistently both for the new games, but also for the already existing games 17:48:41 <Alberth> without breaking anything 17:49:08 <Matombo> and what exactly does the replace only old vehicles option? 17:50:14 <Alberth> autoreplace replaces as soon as you switch a replacement on 17:50:30 <Alberth> nothing on age, at least in vanilla openttd 17:50:40 <Alberth> patch packs may have additional settings 17:51:13 <Matombo> yeah i got that 17:51:36 <Matombo> but what doas the "replace only old vehicles" option then? 17:52:00 <Matombo> i thought that one replaces the vehicle with the new one as soon as it passes the age line 17:52:11 <Alberth> where is that option? 17:52:24 <Alberth> I don't know it 17:52:59 <Matombo> when you open the dropdown menu next to the "start replacing vehicle" button 17:54:54 <Alberth> :O interesting, didn't know that :) 17:55:55 <Matombo> i'm sending you a screenshot screenshot 17:56:33 <Matombo> did you get it? 17:56:42 <Alberth> I accepted, but it doesn't seem to get here 17:56:51 <Matombo> ah damn 17:57:06 <Alberth> but I started openttd locally, and found it 17:58:01 <Alberth> I have no idea what it does 17:58:22 <Alberth> my guess is that it only autoreplaces when the vehicle is old enough 17:58:31 <Alberth> can you configure age somewhere? 17:59:00 <Alberth> although they probably just borrowed autorenew setting 17:59:34 <Alberth> btw, this does happen a lot, finding new options in a program you've been playing for years :p 17:59:45 <Matombo> what about greying out "start replacing vehicles" when the same vehicle is selected on bouth sides and only make this option available: it would simply be a autorenew but only for specific vehicles and triggerable from a ingame interface without navigationg throu the advanced settings? 18:00:30 <Alberth> you'd need a way to express the current autorenew too then 18:00:33 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 18:00:56 <Alberth> or existing savegames become a mess 18:01:40 <Matombo> i can't follow you right now 18:02:00 <Alberth> you have a savegame with autorenew in it now 18:02:16 <Alberth> then a new openttd version arrives with the thing in a gui 18:02:31 <Alberth> you load your old game, and you expect it to use the new gui 18:03:04 <Alberth> thus, the new system needs to be able to express what autorenew is today, or you cannot load an old savegame 18:03:59 *** supermop__ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:09 <Alberth> it's not just adding, it's also providing an clean upgrade path for all existing games 18:04:16 <Matombo> but currently you allready have this coexistance of autorenew and the defacto autorenew in the autoreplace dialoge 18:04:29 <Alberth> yep 18:04:56 <Matombo> it wouldn't change that but only giving new input values to the allready existing function 18:05:19 <Alberth> you can't just add new things 18:05:47 <Alberth> you'll end up with 35 ways to do something, where different settings doing subtle different things 18:06:04 <Alberth> it's a sure way to kill openttd 18:06:19 <Matombo> well as we found out that is allready the status quo at the moment xD 18:06:22 <Alberth> instead, you try to unify things, and provide clean new ways 18:06:59 <Alberth> no, you cannot autorenew with the autoreplace 18:07:23 <Matombo> ok your point is: before adding to old suboptimal ways try create a new better one 18:07:24 <Alberth> but I agree things can be improved 18:08:48 <Alberth> it's the only way to keep it maintainable 18:09:13 <Alberth> not to mention understandable for users 18:10:04 <Alberth> but even then, me not knowing about the option means it's too much hidden 18:10:25 <Matombo> well some switch hidden in the advanced settings for such an essential task like it's at the moment isn'T really user friendly xD 18:12:09 <Alberth> not sure, I have it on, always, I never ever look at it 18:12:34 <Alberth> it depends a lot on how you play 18:13:29 <Alberth> but if you talk about user friendliness, there are much bigger fish than autorenew vs autoreplace :p 18:14:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:39 <Alberth> o/ 18:14:49 <andythenorth> o| 18:16:49 <andythenorth> Alberth: bananas enhancements? o_O 18:17:38 <Alberth> yep :) 18:17:54 <Alberth> they might not bite :p 18:18:37 <Alberth> but the path looks more feasible to me than just assume pictures will arrive from nowehere 18:19:32 <andythenorth> I did have a VM for it 18:19:43 <Alberth> virtual bananas :p 18:19:45 <andythenorth> but my virtualbox spontaneously stopped working :P 18:25:48 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:05 <Alberth> hola 18:34:53 <frosch123> moin 18:50:51 * andythenorth fixed virtualbox :P 18:53:36 * frosch123 made an off-topic post in firs thread 18:53:43 <frosch123> so ashamed :) 18:55:00 <Alberth> mod will move the posts :p 18:55:11 <frosch123> :) 18:55:20 <andythenorth> âmodâ 18:56:16 <Samu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=74694&p=1168637#p1168637 18:56:27 <Samu> please help, answer in the topic plz, cus im gonna have dinner atm 18:56:32 <Samu> thx 18:57:03 <Samu> bbl 18:58:31 <andythenorth> hmm 18:58:33 <andythenorth> bananas 19:02:27 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:11 <frosch123> i recently heard about banana pancakes 19:11:36 <frosch123> apparently you do not even put flour into them 19:14:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27564 trunk/src/lang/spanish_MX.txt (2016-05-12 21:14:06 +0200 ) 19:14:13 <DorpsGek> -Update: Ownname of es_MX. 19:23:38 *** 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<Samu> i thought this would fix the problem, return slot < max_slot - uncounted_ais && total_ais < GetGameSettings().difficulty.max_no_competitors 20:03:52 <Samu> but then there's yet a 3rd problem arising 20:04:03 <Samu> there seems to be no easy solution 20:08:02 <Samu> working with suppositions is probably the reason why I'm coding this function wrong 20:09:40 <Samu> brb, gonna expose the 3rd problem in the topic 20:10:07 <andythenorth> samu is remarkably persistent :) 20:10:54 <Samu> yes, maybe too much that it becomes unhealthy 20:11:45 <Samu> i got a headhache this morning that made me stop working on this 20:12:47 <andythenorth> you could try coding NotRoadTypes as a diversion ;) 20:17:11 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:22:27 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:36 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:23:22 <Alberth> Samu: max_slot is a red herring 20:23:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:25:03 <Alberth> you know number of running AIs, you know max number of competitors, you have a list of slots, some filled and some not 20:26:20 <Alberth> former 2 tell you number of slots to fill, latter tells you which ones 20:28:19 <Samu> 3rd problem posted 20:33:04 <Alberth> like I said max_slot as some upper limit is a red herring 20:34:30 <Alberth> int max_slot = GetGameSettings().difficulty.max_no_competitors; <-- from this line and below, kill everything 20:34:45 <Alberth> you need to max_no_competitors, but not as max_slot 20:37:48 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:39:55 *** Belugas 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<Samu> confused :( 21:22:00 <Samu> [21:34] <@Alberth> int max_slot = GetGameSettings().difficulty.max_no_competitors; <-- from this line and below, kill everything 21:22:18 <Samu> kill everything? what does he mean with this? 21:24:05 <Samu> max_slot is a red herring... you need to max_no_competitors, but not as max_slot 21:24:35 <Samu> arf... :( 21:24:56 <Samu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1168645#p1168645 21:25:21 <Samu> can't use max_slot for the problem 21:25:45 <glx> knowing how many slots to fill, you just need to find the first empty slot, and repeat the search for each empty slot 21:25:54 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 21:30:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18B9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:30 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 21:38:21 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:16 *** Mazur 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22:35:02 <Samu> do you find any flaws in this solution? 22:35:16 <Samu> a quick testing seems to do everything correctly 22:35:38 <Samu> but still, I wonder if it's fool-proof 22:44:05 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:45:55 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 22:49:01 <Samu> thx glx and alberth 22:49:11 <Samu> still fawless 22:49:15 <Samu> flawless 22:49:30 <Samu> have yet to find this erroring 22:49:36 <Samu> so far it's working correctly 22:52:19 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:22 <Samu> well cyas, goodnight 22:56:25 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:59:35 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:03:39 *** ektor [~ektor@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:07:59 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:10 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@188.6.200.146.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@31.185.142.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:42 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 23:46:34 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]