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00:00:43 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 00:03:17 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:24:13 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:12 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:25:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:36:33 <supermop> today's work is terrible. I am still here 00:45:00 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host86-135-236-226.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:45:38 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:49 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d088d0e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:31 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:48:14 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:54:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 02:19:54 *** supermop_ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:33:57 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 03:03:57 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-137-142.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:10:07 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:42:00 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 03:47:09 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:28 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 04:01:42 *** ToneKnee_ [~quassel@host86-135-236-45.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:07:39 *** supermop_ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:09 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host86-135-236-226.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:30:10 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 05:20:30 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 05:21:53 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22:15 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:04:09 *** marlinc [~marlinc@80.100.128.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:47 *** ektor [~ektor@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #openttd 06:37:58 *** Mavy_ is now known as Mavy 07:11:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B64B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:04 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d0250cd.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 08:04:38 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58_ 08:07:39 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:04 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 08:08:10 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:11:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:39 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:03 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:09 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:42:25 *** Kurimus_ [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 08:54:04 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:54:20 *** ektor [~ektor@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:54:33 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-137-142.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:15:21 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:19 <Wolf01> moin 09:33:35 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:33:39 <Samu> hi 09:37:19 <argoneus> good morning train friends 09:37:20 <argoneus> made it! 09:41:02 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 09:56:40 *** dustinm` [~dustinm`@105.ip-167-114-152.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:13 *** dustinm` [~dustinm`@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:47 *** lukasz1985 [~oftc-webi@aaon171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:17:38 *** lukasz1985 [~oftc-webi@aaon171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 10:17:57 *** lukasz1985 [~oftc-webi@aaon171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:19:21 <lukasz1985> Hi there. Just simple question - is there a way I can change name of my grf in Bananas? If not then what would be the solution - just upload as new grf and let the old one just die? 10:28:25 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:23 *** dustinm` [~dustinm`@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:44:16 <Eddi|zuHause> lukasz1985: or catch the sysadmin on a good day? 10:51:48 *** dustinm` [~dustinm`@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:13 <lukasz1985> Haha, yeah, I guess that's another way to go. Better way - give him some beer. 11:34:46 *** lukasz1985 [~oftc-webi@aaon171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:42:42 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:01:01 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:24:44 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g] 12:28:56 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:04 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 12:50:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:18 *** roidal [~roidal@cm215-81.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 13:05:15 <supermop> yo 13:09:27 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:25:49 <Samu> i finally got rid of silver slots 13:26:45 <Samu> text in every slot is either orange or white, in every game mode. 13:26:52 <Samu> white for selected 13:27:00 <Samu> orange for selectable 13:27:43 <Samu> static bool IsSelectable(CompanyID slot) { return slot >= COMPANY_FIRST && slot < MAX_COMPANIES || slot == OWNER_DEITY; } 13:29:49 <Samu> I reduced this to 2 colors, from 3 in the original, and from 5 on my previous attempts 13:37:06 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host157-194-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:37:06 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1132 13:37:06 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 13:40:24 <supermop> ok 13:43:03 *** Guest1132 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:59 *** m1cr0man [~m1cr0man@ns312254.ip-188-165-194.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:10 *** m1cr0man [~m1cr0man@ns312254.ip-188-165-194.eu] has joined #openttd 14:00:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:22 <Samu> simplifying bools wastes most of my time, it's fun, but gets boring if I don't get it right the first few times 14:01:54 <Samu> ((_game_mode == GM_MENU && GameConfig::GetConfig()->GetInfo() != NULL) || (GameConfig::GetConfig()->GetInfo() != NULL && Game::GetInstance() == NULL)) 14:02:05 <Samu> trying to simplify this one now 14:07:52 <_dp_> easy, conjunction is distributive with disjunction 14:09:44 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:10:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:13 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:11:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:11:26 <Alberth> moin 14:12:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host157-194-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:12:20 <Samu> there are 3 game modes NORMAL, EDITOR, MENU , the wanted result differs in the 3 modes 14:12:48 <Samu> i was only working with MENU and NORMAL before, only now I realised EDITOR also needs to be taken care 14:16:11 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:40 <Alberth> wb 14:25:46 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host109-148-29-159.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:27:17 <Samu> yay, 12 possible combinations 14:27:25 <Samu> and only 3 must return true 14:27:30 *** ToneKnee_ [~quassel@host86-135-236-45.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:39 <Samu> must return true to these 3 https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pi7vgev0n 14:35:06 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:33 <Samu> there are 3 game modes, 2 different "info" modes, and 2 different "instance" modes 14:37:44 *** ToneKnee_ [~quassel@host109-150-229-77.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:44:08 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host109-148-29-159.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:25 <Samu> _game_mode != GM_NORMAL && GameConfig::GetConfig()->GetInfo() != NULL && (Game::GetInstance() == NULL || _game_mode == GM_MENU) 14:46:45 <Samu> this should do it, gonna test 14:53:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host157-194-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:53:30 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:55 <Wolf01> stupid isp :( 14:56:24 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 15:04:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host29-64-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:09:54 <Wolf01> it is internet or what? I can't browse the websites even with the smartphone data connection 15:15:22 <Alberth> internet of 1 person :) 15:17:20 *** ToneKnee__ [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:30 <Wolf01> maybe we have problems again on the backbone, shit happens every 3-4 weeks 15:19:35 *** ToneKnee_ [~quassel@host109-150-229-77.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:18 <Wolf01> usually they fuck up in Milan and leave half of the Italy almost disconnected from internet 15:21:27 <Alberth> how nice :p 15:22:24 <supermop> italy is a better place to be without internet than most at least 15:23:12 <Wolf01> the best part comes when you are working for a web agency and customers call you to ask why their site doesn't work... while every site doesn't work, even google 15:23:54 <Wolf01> but for the customers their website is more important and must work always 15:28:25 <supermop> of course 15:29:01 <Wolf01> one time it was really funny "my site doesn't work and I had to phone you because the email doesn't work too, also since your site doesn't work I had to find the phone number in the phonebook" 15:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that special? if you're stuck in a traffic jam, the boss also doesn't care whether all others came late to work, YOU came late to work. 15:58:56 *** ToneKnee__ [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:19 <supermop> all others at my office are at the trade show i went to on my own time sunday... 16:04:39 <supermop> i wonder if i should bill for those hours sunday 16:05:03 <supermop> dont get paid overtime though 16:08:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:23:54 *** M-E [~M@ip4da0d6bd.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:01 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db5a546.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:02 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d0250cd.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:42:10 <Samu> so many bugs i wasn't aware 16:42:13 <Samu> t.t 16:57:24 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:11:32 *** Wormnest_ [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:16 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:43 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has joined #openttd 17:14:58 *** funnel [~funnel@81.4.123.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:05 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:49 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:18:25 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:42 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:53 <andythenorth> o/ 17:24:56 <V453000> hi 17:25:06 <V453000> how are pixels? 17:26:30 <andythenorth> progressing 17:26:33 <andythenorth> slowly eh 17:26:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18822.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:43 <V453000> I am thinking about a new landscape concept 17:27:51 <V453000> but I decided it is wiser to finish BRIX first XD 17:28:10 * V453000 is wise as fuck 17:28:29 <andythenorth> even wiser than that 17:28:46 <V453000> O, thank you sir. 17:29:02 <andythenorth> youâre welcome 17:29:08 <andythenorth> is cat? 17:29:09 <V453000> also last night I was very wise 17:29:14 <V453000> came home from work at 1 am 17:29:14 <andythenorth> how? 17:29:23 <V453000> decided it is a good idea to play the new doom until 5 am 17:29:28 <andythenorth> unwise 17:29:29 <V453000> wisdom incarnate 17:30:00 <andythenorth> but babies wake up at 5am anyway, so you were just being prepared 17:30:18 <andythenorth> my first one used to wake up every 2 hours, all night 17:30:22 <andythenorth> might as well stay up eh? 17:30:28 <V453000> babies were sleeping in a different town so np 17:31:12 <andythenorth> well then 17:31:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DC67.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:47:39 <andythenorth> supermop can I interest you in drawing gen 2 and 3 fruit cars? o_O 17:49:22 <andythenorth> this approach rarely works, on anyone :) 17:58:57 <V453000> GIEF SPRIETZ OR ELSE 17:59:06 <V453000> more likely to succeed :P 18:01:20 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@145.131.157.180] has joined #openttd 18:03:28 *** ricus_ [~ricus@chunli.enric.me] has quit [Quit: 'Til next time!] 18:06:20 * andythenorth needs an offsider 18:06:27 <andythenorth> working on 4 large sets alone isâŠ. 18:06:30 <andythenorth> ...words 18:06:38 * V453000 needs an army of offsiders 18:07:10 <V453000> nuts, yeti, brix, part, rawr, and one more thing 18:07:16 <V453000> noep 18:08:16 <Samu> will one day, a savegame include AIs in the intro game? 18:08:23 <Samu> that would be funny 18:08:43 <Samu> seeing it building in the background 18:13:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:46 <andythenorth> quak 18:13:59 <andythenorth> V453000: we should join forces, and actually finish something :P 18:14:02 <andythenorth> but eh 18:14:21 <V453000> omg what a plan 18:14:35 <V453000> I think we are joined forces enough already :P 18:14:35 <andythenorth> yair no 18:14:43 <andythenorth> we agree on principles, but not approach :P 18:15:09 <andythenorth> also if we combine, that leaves almost nobody else making actual playable sets :P 18:15:19 <andythenorth> booooring 18:15:19 <frosch123> evening mammals 18:15:23 <andythenorth> quak 18:15:39 <V453000> point XD 18:15:43 <V453000> hi frog 18:16:47 * andythenorth wonders again if OpenTTD is over :P 18:16:54 <andythenorth> every time I think that, something new turns up 18:17:19 <V453000> I think it is still nice to make new stuff 18:17:22 <V453000> I just dont have the time 18:17:30 <V453000> mainly due to factorio 0.13 having 1394379895478 features 18:18:46 <Alkel_U3> well, when that's out, nobody will have time nymore 18:19:33 <V453000> I will! :D 18:19:54 <V453000> nah, am actually looking forward to play 0.13 myself 18:19:56 <frosch123> i need to finish my 0.12 game, i expect it to break completely 18:19:59 <frosch123> in 0.13 18:20:33 <V453000> the compatibility might surprise you 18:20:39 <V453000> it doesn't break badly 18:21:11 <frosch123> i suspect train length mostly :p 18:21:18 <frosch123> purely based on ottd experience :) 18:21:22 <V453000> just need to change your stations 18:21:25 <V453000> but it doesnt break the savegame 18:21:27 <Alkel_U3> I still expect it to in heavily moded games 18:21:52 <frosch123> Alkel_U3: also judging by ottd experience? :p 18:22:39 <Alkel_U3> frosch123: well, woth openttd, negrfs don't have to be updated for every major version :-) 18:23:28 <frosch123> maybe that is our mistake :p 18:24:23 <V453000> I have been told that mods shouldn't break terribly either 18:24:28 <V453000> but I kind of fail to believe that :D 18:24:49 <supermop> yo 18:25:10 <Alkel_U3> heck, even the ancient (and for me, quite nostalgic) sets like tempset.grf still work fine 18:25:13 <andythenorth> frosch123: break them :D 18:25:23 <andythenorth> dunno what the win is there though 18:25:47 <supermop> fruite? 18:26:04 *** ektor [~ektor@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #openttd 18:26:06 <andythenorth> supermop: fruit 18:26:35 <Alkel_U3> well, I hear things would be a lot easier if the game wouldn't have to accommodate to the old, ignorant grfs :-) 18:26:41 <supermop> what are ytou looking for? 18:27:47 <supermop> haven't played antelope long enough to get gens 2 or 3 18:28:03 <supermop> maybe should start up something here 18:28:38 <supermop> what year should I expect to see gen 2 and 3? 18:30:03 <andythenorth> 1915 or so for gen 2 18:30:11 <andythenorth> but I only added it recently, wonât be in your game 18:30:23 <V453000> 1915 is insanely earl 18:30:23 <V453000> y 18:30:26 <V453000> :d 18:30:37 <andythenorth> starts in 1860 or so 18:30:39 <andythenorth> quite fun 18:31:26 <supermop> andythenorth: i'm at work so don't have that game here anyway 18:32:29 <andythenorth> supermop: strictly I need to work out the progression for the 3 wagon generations in antelope 18:32:35 <andythenorth> I have 1 or 2 sets of sprites for most 18:33:04 <andythenorth> need to work out whether itâs 6/8 -> 8/8 -> 8/8 (taller) or 6/8 -> 6/8 (taller) -> 8/8 18:33:05 <andythenorth> or whatever 18:33:21 <andythenorth> meanwhile, this 8/8 boxcar could be painted to fruit van http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/graphics/box_car_ng_antelope_gen_3_template.png 18:33:26 <supermop> these are NG? 18:33:28 <andythenorth> yup 18:33:39 <andythenorth> theyâre from NARS 2 mostly, but thatâs scaled teeny-tiny 18:33:45 <supermop> 6 - 7 -8? or 5 - 6 - 8? 18:33:52 <andythenorth> maybe 18:34:01 <andythenorth> I dunno, wagon length changes are a bit annoying imho 18:34:15 <andythenorth> I try to minimise them, but itâs a balance against having new and different sprites 18:34:17 <supermop> true 18:34:41 <andythenorth> also practically, redrawing a wagon taller takes a few minutes in photoshop 18:34:48 <andythenorth> changing length takes longer 18:35:02 <Samu> do you know of a GS without configurable parameters? need one for testing 18:35:19 <supermop> i would probably not do a high-cube 6/8 18:35:21 <andythenorth> I reckon 6/8 -> 8/8 -> 8/8 18:35:27 <supermop> might look too tall 18:35:29 <supermop> yeah 18:35:35 <andythenorth> third gen is high cube, or has full width doors or whatever 18:35:40 <supermop> yeah 18:35:44 <andythenorth> they grow 10t capacity each time 18:36:03 <supermop> it say gen 3 is maybe 1px taller, show more change in doors 18:36:15 <supermop> thats what players see as the 'face' of the car 18:36:19 <andythenorth> yes 18:36:30 <andythenorth> increasingly, Iâm only really focussed on the â view 18:36:49 <andythenorth> | is almost irrelevant, and / \ just have to look ânot crapâ :) 18:36:58 <supermop> is SG an effective gen 4? or is gen 3 a parallel modern car? 18:37:19 <andythenorth> SG is bigger, faster, shorter 18:37:25 <supermop> andythenorth: also, the buy menu is where you really want to make the impression on users 18:37:25 <andythenorth> gen 3 is a parallel 18:37:52 <supermop> ok so gen 3 can look 'modern-ish'? 18:37:55 <andythenorth> yes 18:37:59 <andythenorth> full width doors or so 18:38:01 <supermop> 50s? 18:38:02 <andythenorth> even ârealisticâ :) 18:38:06 <andythenorth> Iâll find a picture 18:39:01 <andythenorth> supermop: http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=279225 18:39:15 <supermop> andythenorth: did you code termite? 18:39:20 <andythenorth> nah, foobar did it 18:39:40 <andythenorth> shitloads of NG wagons here http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/rsTypeList.aspx 18:39:42 <supermop> gen 1 is 4 axel? 18:39:50 <andythenorth> nah, 2 bogies 18:39:57 <andythenorth> doesnât really matter at this scale though 18:40:24 <andythenorth> if I can get some help with these antelope wagons, they can be repurposed for llama and the japan roster 18:43:33 <supermop> might base it a bit on some of these reefers 18:44:01 <supermop> thinking ill keep 2 greenish, maybe grey for 3 18:44:12 <andythenorth> nah, keep them all green, somehow ;) 18:44:16 <andythenorth> then we know theyâre fruit 18:44:23 <supermop> ok 18:44:24 <Samu> think i'm ready to upload my next revision 18:44:25 <andythenorth> do the roof, or a 50% stripe or something 18:44:34 <andythenorth> Iâve got really into theming the wagon colours 18:44:34 <supermop> good call 18:44:55 <supermop> i really like that in locomotion 18:44:58 <supermop> liked 18:45:18 <andythenorth> I didnât play lomo, but I think it makes it a game for me, not model trains 18:45:38 * andythenorth has enough model trains in the loft, does not need to confuse them with openttd 18:45:56 <supermop> the chemical plant hand big blue storage tanks, and cargo waiting for chemicals was blue 50 gal drums 18:46:03 <andythenorth> nice 18:46:09 <andythenorth> also, reefer cars are needed, and theyâre basically a box car with white sides and CC ends 18:46:22 <supermop> i think chemical tankers were blue too but idk - i last played this game like 12 years ago 18:46:40 <supermop> i like this guy: 18:46:41 <supermop> http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=598246 18:46:55 <andythenorth> big eh? 18:47:00 <andythenorth> could be 9/8 or 10/8 18:47:13 <supermop> like how some of the equipment is notched under at the end 18:47:57 <andythenorth> this is all I have for ng antelope: hack of the brit one, not happy with it http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/graphics/reefer_car_ng_antelope_gen_1_template.png 18:48:08 <andythenorth> SG one is generic and looks fine http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/graphics/reefer_car_antelope_gen_1_template.png 18:48:28 <andythenorth> 2 generations of ng reefer needed 18:51:01 <supermop> will any ng wagons be longer than 8/8? 18:51:57 <supermop> gen 1 and 2 box cars look the same on repo 18:52:28 <supermop> might base by gen 2 fuit off the gen 3 19:00:02 <Samu> bah dinner first 19:00:05 <Samu> afk 19:03:39 <andythenorth> supermop: yeah, I need a gen 3 box car, and move gen 3 to gen 2, I think 19:04:01 <andythenorth> there might be some 9/8 or 10/8 wagons, if they look good 19:05:02 <andythenorth> need to do stock cars too, probably just box cars, painted grey, with black slats? http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=624978 19:05:14 <supermop> pony certainly gets big wagons in the 90s 19:05:44 <andythenorth> yup 19:06:00 <supermop> i actually was sort of basing the fuit car on the idea of a stock car 19:06:04 <andythenorth> yeah 19:06:08 <andythenorth> same thing in mind here 19:06:16 <supermop> just because it felt right for time and place 19:06:27 <supermop> to have something a bit more airy 19:06:37 <andythenorth> given a general shape (van) colour is more important than fine detail :) 19:07:03 <supermop> now i dont want to stick out my neck and become 'boxcar guy' 19:07:17 <supermop> but i have some ideas for color scheming stock cars too 19:08:05 <supermop> i like that grey steel, but smething in the more rust shades in the pallet could also work 19:08:27 <andythenorth> would have to repaint the UK ones too ;) 19:08:32 * andythenorth is open to suggestions 19:08:36 <andythenorth> UK only has 2 so far 19:08:49 <andythenorth> and Road Hog cattle trucks/trams arenât really right yet either 19:09:16 <supermop> yeah, that's why i don't want to open that can 19:09:18 * andythenorth trying to tie both trains and trucks together 19:09:22 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:09:34 <andythenorth> well, I will take any help I can get (unless I donât like it) :D 19:09:51 <supermop> also - somehow it seems almost that stock cars should be 1st cc ever more than boxcars are 19:10:12 <andythenorth> dunno, think itâs because we did brit first 19:10:23 <andythenorth> and Dan chose grey 19:11:19 * andythenorth has not much opinion on this, except they need to look distinct 19:11:29 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:53 <supermop> flipping box and stock blue and grey not worth it in all likelyhood 19:12:44 <andythenorth> nah, I like the CC box cars 19:12:55 <andythenorth> especially for american style wagons 19:13:26 <supermop> send me an example of the doors you have in mind for gen 3, i dont know off the top of my head what the full width doors would be 19:13:38 <supermop> are the hinged or sliding? 19:14:14 <andythenorth> they probably look roughly like this http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/graphics/reefer_car_antelope_gen_1_template.png 19:14:24 <andythenorth> but open 50% of vehicle width or something 19:15:07 <supermop> more like a euro style thing with the sliding closure? 19:16:07 <andythenorth> hereâs one with the doors off http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1834049 19:16:12 <andythenorth> and doors on http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=621116 19:16:33 <andythenorth> here we go, doors open http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=929896 19:17:31 <supermop> hmm doors off, or open for loading? or 3 off one on? 19:21:10 <andythenorth> open 2 of them 19:23:08 *** roidal [~roidal@cm215-81.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 19:23:13 <supermop> ok ill do a gen 2 fruit and the gen 3 box and fruit maybe later today 19:24:02 <supermop> the gen 2 should be don't shortly as i plan to just pallet swap your current gen 3 boxcar 19:24:12 <andythenorth> thanks :) 19:24:15 <andythenorth> this really helps 19:26:54 <supermop> no prob just procrastinating realy work for an hour or so 19:30:40 <supermop> i hope people associate the green bits that poke out of fruit crates on platforms with these cars. 19:31:07 <andythenorth> ha 19:31:15 <andythenorth> I wondered about drawing the load states to match 19:31:21 <andythenorth> but I couldnât be arsed :) 19:37:06 <supermop> i certainly cant 19:37:46 <supermop> hmm wondering if i should put cc on the doors, stripe on carbody, both, or stripe on doors 19:38:26 <supermop> could also do 1 door 1cc, other 2 cc, or green car, grey door, cc stripe n door 19:38:36 <supermop> might save that idea for gen 3 19:44:44 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 19:45:14 <andythenorth> supermop: just mix them up as you see fit 19:45:39 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:50 <andythenorth> the 1st and 2nd CC are randomised anyway when building (the sprites are copied at compile time and the colours flipped) 19:47:25 <andythenorth> 10/8 long? http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=930840 19:47:30 <andythenorth> :) 19:58:11 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 19:59:31 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58_ 20:01:40 <supermop> regular boxcar? 20:02:14 <supermop> so much for loading gauge! 20:04:40 <andythenorth> SAR is big ;) 20:06:45 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 20:10:45 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 20:12:04 <supermop> gen 2 fruit uploaded as issue 20:14:01 <supermop> horse has no JP translator 20:22:44 <supermop> don't think i really could tackle that though 20:25:29 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:26:32 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 20:30:50 <andythenorth> supermop: fruit car is in 20:31:00 <andythenorth> looks good, dunno if my 8/8 idea works for 1915 though 20:31:03 <andythenorth> looks a big...long 20:31:07 <andythenorth> bit * 20:36:44 *** rellig [~rellig@static.109.57.201.138.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:20 <supermop> hmm 20:37:22 <supermop> chop? 20:37:49 <supermop> i dont think a tall 6 makes though, 20:39:00 <supermop> makes sense 20:40:01 <andythenorth> supermop: 20:40:02 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7816/antelope_fruit_car_length.png 20:40:16 <andythenorth> well, is the problem the 8/8 fruit car, or the other gen 2 wagons being 6/8? o_O 20:42:51 <supermop> well if the other gen 2 are staying 6, so should the fruit car 20:43:19 <andythenorth> dunno yet, using this to help decide 20:43:40 <andythenorth> other problem is the SG box cars are 6/8 then 8/8, but *much* higher capacity 20:43:49 <supermop> haha you've already got 3 rakes of them running about 20:44:24 <supermop> pony ng cars are like little wheelbarrows 20:45:50 <andythenorth> I think it has to go 6/8 -> 6/8 -> 8/8 20:45:56 <andythenorth> or I have to redraw SG wagons 20:45:57 <supermop> looking at those doors in those colors i feel the stripe is a mistake 20:46:11 <andythenorth> that leaves me with a problem distinguishing gen 1 / gen 2 NG :P 20:46:12 <supermop> should be bigger, or smaller, or not there 20:46:33 <andythenorth> yeah the stripe is a bitâŠ.something 20:46:34 <andythenorth> :) 20:46:48 <supermop> use gen1 6s as gen 2, draw new 4s or 5s? 20:47:17 <andythenorth> yeah that could work 20:47:23 <andythenorth> thatâs the most logical thing :P 20:47:33 * andythenorth was trying to avoid it 20:47:42 <supermop> also i feel like bolder color blocking is not graphically appropriate for 1915 20:47:52 <supermop> could work mid century on 20:48:10 <andythenorth> agreed 20:48:17 <supermop> ie two doors of solid different colors 20:48:36 <andythenorth> ok so 8/8 for the gen 3 20:48:40 <supermop> i sort of chose the olive drab with early 20th C in mind 20:49:18 <supermop> i mean the 6s dont look wrong for 1915, might even look too modern for 1860? 20:49:45 <andythenorth> yup ok 20:49:55 <andythenorth> more chibi 20:50:42 <supermop> your call - just let me know if you want me to work the 8/8 to look more modern 20:50:57 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:51:51 <andythenorth> yes, I think thatâs a good idea 20:51:52 <supermop> can do the branding either way, early or mid 20th C 20:53:48 <andythenorth> around 1970 or so for gen 3 20:54:18 <supermop> ok 20:59:49 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 21:03:06 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 21:03:54 <andythenorth> supermop: talk some sense to me, the early brit IH wagons are 5/8, and thatâs 16 foot IRL 21:04:10 <andythenorth> these SAR wagons are 20 or 30 foot or more 21:04:22 <supermop> thw 1860s ones? 21:04:30 <andythenorth> IRL 21:04:30 <supermop> or 1915 21:04:41 <andythenorth> from pictures, from about 1900 onwards 21:04:55 <andythenorth> Iâm not too bothered about IRL scale, but there has to be some kind of consistency 21:05:15 <supermop> between rosters you mean... 21:05:30 <andythenorth> yeah 21:05:38 <andythenorth> otherwise itâs hard to reuse sprites 21:05:41 <andythenorth> laziness ftw :P 21:05:50 <supermop> an idea that trains in antelope land are generally bigger even when on NG? 21:06:15 <andythenorth> maybe 21:06:28 <andythenorth> wondering if I should just redraw the antelope SG wagons to be longer 21:06:37 <andythenorth> theyâll be used for US stuff probably anyway 21:07:35 <supermop> that probably makes the most 'sense' 21:08:35 <supermop> i do think there is value in keeping trains cute, maybe not value to everyone 21:08:54 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:06 <andythenorth> current state http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7817/antelope_car_length.png 21:09:11 <andythenorth> NG left, SG right 21:09:18 <supermop> what's less work? a new batch of 1860s 4 or 5/8 wagons? or a new batch of 10/8 wagons 21:10:07 <andythenorth> potato / potato 21:11:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:35 <supermop> i still feel like the gen 1s are too modern for 1860 but i can't be sure nor imaging what the earlier ones would look like 21:12:37 <andythenorth> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Z9E1NXY9yzI/TGlt_5WZNKI/AAAAAAAAEL8/Rn5pGD-k67o/s1600/Grahamstown+locomotive+with+train+at+Port+Alfred+and+other+tank+loco+in+background+(1024).JPG 21:12:47 <andythenorth> 4 wheel 21:12:52 <andythenorth> itâs fine, they should be 5/8 21:12:56 <andythenorth> problem solved 21:12:57 <supermop> also slightly longer NG wagons probably work better for japan 21:13:14 <supermop> that is a cute train 21:13:28 <andythenorth> yeah, thatâs the look for 1860 21:14:45 <supermop> found when looking for picture of japanese handcar: 21:14:47 <supermop> http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/02/01/national/crime-legal/tokyo-police-baffled-by-theft-of-hand-straps-from-commuter-trains/#.VzuJpuIrKUl 21:15:33 <andythenorth> bizarre 21:16:31 <andythenorth> need some cibi coaches too http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Z9E1NXY9yzI/Sy_NqFr_x8I/AAAAAAAADH0/domRNKlH2GE/s1600-h/sar-zasm2.jpg 21:17:30 <andythenorth> also bedtime ;) 21:17:48 <andythenorth> bye 21:18:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:19:40 <supermop> http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201604160013.html 21:19:42 <supermop> oops 21:20:30 *** ektor [~ektor@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:07 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:50 <Samu> new version posted, :p http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1168837#p1168837 - too much text describing the changes. 21:38:00 <Samu> doesn't even feel right 21:38:13 <Samu> they're obscure fixes 21:47:16 *** Wormnest_ [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18822.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:53:24 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:27 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db5a546.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:02:29 <Samu> wow, trAIns AI is going to replace 2345 trains now 22:02:43 <Samu> he's upgrading all to monorail 22:02:52 <Samu> heh, I wonder how much time that takes him 22:04:56 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:54 <Samu> lol, scary sight 22:09:07 <Samu> he sold 2000 trains 22:09:22 <Samu> he's down to 326 22:17:49 <Samu> oh, he upgrades the tracks piece by piece 22:17:53 <Samu> that's gonna take forever 22:23:58 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 22:26:28 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58_ 22:30:02 <Montana> I think creator did it to avoid a high level of CPU usage could cause crashing 22:31:21 <Samu> he got 197k railway pieces to go yet 22:31:37 <Samu> done 27k 22:32:17 <Samu> his profit plummeted really big 22:49:33 <Wolf01> 'night 22:49:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:58:07 <Samu> 2 years have passed 22:58:33 <Samu> it looks like he needs 3~4 more years to finish the whole upgrade 23:14:01 *** debdog [~debdog@2a02:8070:4584:4200:7a24:afff:fe8a:d04d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:56 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:34 *** debdog [~debdog@2a02:8070:4584:4200:7a24:afff:fe8a:d04d] has joined #openttd 23:33:10 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d0250cd.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 23:33:57 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host81-131-186-167.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:50:44 *** supermop_ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd