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11:44:57 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 11:46:49 *** keoz has joined #openttd 11:49:06 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 11:59:37 <argoneus> good morning train friends 12:01:06 <Flygon__> Hmm... 12:01:07 *** Flygon__ is now known as Flygon 12:01:09 <Flygon> Maybe 12:01:18 <Flygon> Dumb question 12:01:31 <Flygon> IF you can find a heightmap for an area, but it's messy and a .jpg 12:01:41 <Flygon> Is it sane to scale it to the desired resolution anyway 12:01:47 <Flygon> Then draw over it 12:01:51 <Flygon> With the new height layers? 12:02:12 <Flygon> I can't find a good heightmap of New Zealand for the life of me 12:02:46 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 12:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> don't scale the JPEG, it'll only create more weird artifacts. convert it to an exact format first 12:03:48 <Flygon> Yeah, that's why you take the .jpg, then re-hand draw a new heightmap over it 12:03:55 <Flygon> And export that as a .png 12:08:59 <Flygon> Hmm.... 12:09:04 <Flygon> That would be kind of awkward tho 12:09:07 <Flygon> Urf 12:09:15 <Flygon> I need to make a real heightmap export somepoint 12:09:23 <Flygon> <_> I'm put off by the tediousity 12:09:41 *** Ethereal_Whisper has quit IRC 12:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> how exact does the heightmap need to be anyway? you could just throw a smoothing or sharpening filter over the image and be done with it 12:37:47 <Flygon> Ehhhh 12:37:52 <Flygon> The .jpg I found is in tatters 12:37:54 <Flygon> Best I make a new one 12:39:10 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 12:46:16 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 13:10:56 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 13:12:44 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 13:37:41 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:50:35 *** Fatmice has quit IRC 14:18:00 *** gauche has quit IRC 14:42:58 *** ConductCat has quit IRC 14:55:28 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: idk depends if my boss thinks weeping in the office is too uprofessional 14:57:37 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 15:18:47 <supermop> ugh i need to go buy some donuts or something i dont know,staring at autocad not doing anything isn't working 15:20:24 <supermop> guess i'll need to wait until more americans get on to see any commiseration 15:31:07 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:31:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:31:14 <Wolf01> o/ 15:31:14 <Alberth> o/ 15:36:35 <supermop> hi Alberth 15:36:50 <Alberth> hi hi supermop 15:37:25 <supermop> whatever country you are from let me move there 15:38:06 <Alberth> holland 15:38:16 <Alberth> below a lot of water :p 15:38:35 <Alberth> and it's raining here today 15:38:55 <supermop> raining here too 15:39:18 <supermop> and manhattan will be underwater in 50 years anyway - 15:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> holland is the best city in the world. 15:41:06 <Alberth> it's a city? :O 15:42:08 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drFsXLChrWc 15:42:22 <Wolf01> Venice here, already underwater 15:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't venice's problem that it's drowning in sewage because it can't flow out? 15:43:38 <Wolf01> Nah 15:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i may have simplified the problem a bit too much :p 15:46:03 <Alberth> close enough, I guess :) 15:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm playing as venice right now, but i'm having trouble against the ottomans, they have better armies and i don't win with equal soldier numbers 15:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i gtg 15:48:44 <Alberth> bye 15:55:35 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:02:21 <supermop> shouldn't nato article 5 require you guys to invade us now? 16:04:30 <supermop> i think this election counts as an attack on an ally 16:06:23 <Alberth> you know europe, endless debating and words :p 16:08:02 <Alberth> president can't be tossed out before the 4 year term? 16:08:13 <Alberth> other than by killing him, I guess 16:15:18 <supermop> can impeach 16:15:50 <supermop> republican congress was going to impeach Nixon, which is why he resigned 16:18:45 <supermop> but republican congressmen today seem to have a lot less interest in propriety to do that now 16:19:21 <supermop> Trump has already said and done worse than what they knew about Nixon at the time, and they still stood by him 16:20:17 <supermop> and if democrats or liberal republicans win more seats in 2018, Trump supporters can just claim they cheated in their elections 16:22:07 <Alberth> they didn't have an alternative for trump at all 16:23:19 <supermop> rather they had too many fighting amongst themselves 16:43:02 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:45:18 <Wolf01> http://imgur.com/a/DcuyP ahahah the best one so far 16:47:42 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:49:07 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:49:21 <Alberth> o/ 16:50:01 <frosch123> hoi 17:03:12 <Wolf01> Quak 17:13:46 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 17:18:23 *** Gaby_ has joined #openttd 17:18:40 *** Ethereal_Whisper has joined #openttd 17:19:49 *** Gaby_ has quit IRC 17:25:05 *** DDR has joined #openttd 17:33:08 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 17:35:09 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 17:41:55 *** Ethereal_Shiver has joined #openttd 17:42:27 *** Ethereal_Whisper has quit IRC 17:49:50 <goodger> gooey middach 17:55:50 *** keoz has quit IRC 18:01:33 <supermop> just been drawing rivers for 3 hours 18:04:23 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:04:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop> i think this election counts as an attack on an ally <-- no, it requires an attack from the OUTSIDE, which is why the US went through all kinds of hoops to define the attack on the world trade center, which only concerned inland flights and persons who already lived in the US for a while, to redefine it as an outside attack 18:18:16 *** Gaby_ has joined #openttd 18:20:19 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: can nato please at lease attack me personally then so i dont have to listen to this guy speak for 4 more years 18:20:35 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: tried earplugs? 18:21:11 <goodger> well the good news is that the euro area is going to get a bit more manageable once putin reconquers latvia 18:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i find that not very likely to happen 18:22:47 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: that's a start but i'd take a NATO 105mm shell to my ears just the same right now 18:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, look at georgia, russia didn't actually "invade" all of georgia, just the parts that didn't want anything to do with georgia anyway 18:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: just listen to a nice song instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjXUBG15eZ8 18:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (with a nice architect-y theme as well) 18:26:12 <supermop> video not available in my country :/ 18:26:53 <debdog> dafugg 18:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> what are you, in the reverse germany? :p 18:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> germany just stopped the "this video is not available" bullshit 18:27:41 <supermop> bizzaro world is where i am 18:28:20 <supermop> and of course clinton won the popular vote but doesn't count due to electoral college 18:29:00 <supermop> because god forbid a state with only 100,000 people have fewer senators than one with 20 million 18:29:11 <goodger> that's not how it works 18:29:26 <Alberth> ah, the greatest country that has so much freedom 18:29:52 <peter1138> Sheesh, 7 dead after tram overturns. 18:29:54 <supermop> goodger: the reason we have an electoral college is to 'protect' the 'rights' of small states 18:30:11 <goodger> electoral votes are apportioned per state in a less unequitable way than senators; it's the single-plurality multi-district thing that delivers the broken results 18:30:17 <Alberth> peter: indeed :( 18:30:26 <goodger> first fatal tram crash since the 50s 18:30:50 <supermop> goodger: there is no way electoral votes are less equitable than senators 18:31:14 <supermop> every state gets 2 senators whether it has 1000 people or a billion 18:31:19 <goodger> less unequitable 18:31:39 <supermop> ah yes 18:31:40 <goodger> I mean it's still not actually fair, but it's less unfair than the senate 18:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what 7? it was 5 when i last looked 18:32:27 <goodger> also the main problem is that 48% of all of a large state's voters can and routinely do control 100% of that state's votes 18:32:33 <goodger> so glwt 18:32:34 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: well, it's hard to have crashes when you stop using trams for 50 years 18:32:54 <supermop> but still the #rep+2 number, along with the senate itself, are set up to dis-proportionally benefit less populous states 18:33:30 <goodger> true dat 18:33:32 <supermop> just on the face of that, its absurd that they should have that provision, 18:33:38 <supermop> but its gets worse 18:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: that's nothing compared to how voting for the german president works 18:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: but ok, he has not nearly as much power... 18:35:00 <supermop> because when the constitution was written, small states were not large, vacuous, mountain regions like wyoming, but rather southern states where most of the people didn't count as people.... 18:35:30 <goodger> yeah, but the german president's main job is to occupy a nice neoclassical palace and keep his mouth shut, much like the english and dutch monarchs 18:35:52 <supermop> and they were afraid that giving northern states proportional strength would have led to abolition on day 1 18:35:53 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: quite the opposite, he's meant to speak quite a lot 18:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically the only thing he does 18:36:12 <supermop> which is what should have happened 18:38:13 <supermop> that or they should never had agreed to form any permanent union with southern states 18:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's always easy to criticise decisions after the fact 18:39:09 <goodger> it's the only time one can criticize a decision 18:39:19 <goodger> otherwise, it's criticizing a proposal 18:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> magma/lava... 18:41:04 <frosch123> liquid stone 18:45:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27679 trunk/src/lang/romanian.txt (2016-11-09 19:45:35 +0100 ) 18:45:44 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> romanian: 10 changes by kneekoo 18:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw1AhJBXUAAJUa6.jpg:large 18:50:32 <goodger> welp 18:50:39 <goodger> that sounds like a presidential order to me 18:50:53 <Alberth> from 2009? 18:51:23 <Alberth> don't think that will hold in court :) 18:56:09 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 18:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm... what's wrong with the estonian government? 19:00:10 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: not bold enough contrast on flag colors? 19:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the estonian colours? blue black and white? 19:05:20 <supermop> yeah 19:05:55 <supermop> white not in middle like on a typical tricolor though 19:05:57 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:06:08 <supermop> odd choice in graphic design 19:06:11 <supermop> i like it though 19:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: well https://youtu.be/FskySq7GPEA?t=64 19:12:16 <frosch123> is there a similar explanation for the polish flag? 19:13:03 <supermop> i like 2-stripe flags 19:13:41 <frosch123> i like vertical stripes 19:13:46 <goodger> tricolour forever 19:14:14 <supermop> Viet Cong flag almost perfect from a design standpoint 19:15:09 <frosch123> supermop: you should checkout the numberphile video on the nepal flag 19:15:26 <supermop> triangles nice 19:15:33 <supermop> ohio flag i also love 19:15:52 <supermop> symbolism is stupid but i like the design 19:16:01 <supermop> greenland flag also good 19:16:17 <frosch123> apparently the nepal constitution describes the geometry construction steps to make a flag 19:20:00 <andythenorth> o/ 19:20:13 <Alberth> sounds like a fundamental right to know how to make a flag :) 19:20:17 <Alberth> o/ andy 19:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: yeah, but it's probably easier to make a tricolour flag than the nepalese flag :p 19:28:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 19:28:39 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: global liberal democracy is falling apart 19:29:08 <supermop> so pick your favorite authoritarian states to move to now 19:29:23 <supermop> i'm picking viet nam for the pho 19:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: i have no intention to move anywhere 19:29:37 <supermop> but pho 19:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> probably plenty of vietnamese people around here 19:30:12 <supermop> ok finally have appetite, heading out to lunch 19:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> we had a lot of vietnamese guest workers in the 80s 19:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty sure not all of them went home 19:30:53 <Supercheese> plenty of pho available anywhere really 19:31:12 <Supercheese> although it is a 1.5 hour drive from here to the best vietnamese restaurant 19:31:20 <Supercheese> not the most convenient 19:34:58 *** Lejving is now known as CIA_Lejving 19:36:25 *** CIA_Lejving is now known as Lejving 19:37:03 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 19:41:36 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:45:37 *** aard has joined #openttd 19:49:12 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:49:27 *** Gja has joined #openttd 19:55:47 *** Myhorta has quit IRC 20:09:45 <supermop> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/09/hillary_clinton_appears_to_have_won_the_popular_vote_does_it_matter.html 20:11:06 <supermop> this shit will never get fixed because they won't let it get fixed 20:16:46 *** plp has quit IRC 20:16:47 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:17:07 *** plp has quit IRC 20:17:07 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:17:30 *** plp has quit IRC 20:17:30 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:18:40 *** plp has quit IRC 20:18:41 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:18:53 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:20:53 *** Myhorta has joined #openttd 20:21:15 *** plp has quit IRC 20:21:15 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:22:09 <andythenorth> is cat? 20:22:25 *** plp has quit IRC 20:22:26 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:23:07 *** plp has quit IRC 20:23:07 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:23:16 *** plp has quit IRC 20:23:16 *** plp has joined #openttd 20:23:18 <Alberth> nah, just spammy plp 20:23:21 <supermop> andy please distract me with cute trams 20:23:27 <andythenorth> trump tram 20:23:34 <Alberth> :D 20:23:39 <andythenorth> someone should draw that 20:23:56 <andythenorth> actually, given events in UK, that’s horribly bad taste 20:23:58 <andythenorth> :( 20:23:59 <Wolf01> London tram derailed, not cute 20:24:04 <Supercheese> ^ 20:26:28 <andythenorth> change of subject 20:26:33 <andythenorth> Wolf01 new Technic sets? 20:26:49 <Wolf01> Yup, /me wants the ship 20:27:04 <andythenorth> yup 20:27:08 *** Arveen has quit IRC 20:27:13 <andythenorth> not many functions, but unusual 20:46:35 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:48:31 *** plp has quit IRC 20:49:36 *** plp has joined #openttd 21:00:48 *** plp has quit IRC 21:19:37 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, maybe starting with the largest map in transport fever wasn't a great idea 21:29:01 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: is it fun? 21:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> how would i know, i haven't managed to build anything yet, because opening the construction for ship menu just froze the game for 3 minutes 21:29:42 <Wolf01> I'm not even able to earn money :D 21:29:58 <andythenorth> coal 21:30:01 <andythenorth> flat route 21:30:05 <andythenorth> kirby paul :P 21:30:06 <Wolf01> Nah, passengers 21:30:08 <andythenorth> oh wrong game :P 21:30:12 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth 21:30:26 <Wolf01> This game is city-centric 21:30:37 <Wolf01> You need to fullfill city needs 21:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i was attempting to start out with a boat route 21:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the map looks really beautiful, though, a big step up from train fever 21:31:10 <Wolf01> If you start with an industry you'll get a full stockpile in 2 months and the primary one stops producing 21:31:12 <andythenorth> are boats just as useless in transport fever? 21:31:23 <Wolf01> Boats are always useless 21:32:41 <Supercheese> ships are the only unlimited-throughput option in TTD 21:32:58 <Supercheese> need more capacity? Just moar boats 21:33:11 <Supercheese> no extra infrastructure required 21:33:41 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:35:43 <andythenorth> yup 21:35:47 <andythenorth> gameplay useless :) 21:35:55 <andythenorth> no play 21:35:57 <andythenorth> no game 21:36:09 <supermop> Supercheese: pathfinder cpu capacity needed 21:36:21 <andythenorth> ‘press here to win’ 21:36:32 <andythenorth> except that it’s actually ‘join up tedious bouy routes to win' 21:36:41 <supermop> pachinko 21:36:54 <andythenorth> original TTD solved it 21:37:00 <andythenorth> ships were impossible to make money with 21:37:34 <supermop> and ugly 21:40:02 <andythenorth> hovercraft is ok 21:40:08 <andythenorth> freight ships are not… 21:40:26 <andythenorth> even SF had a bad day sometimes 21:40:35 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, the "first X" achievement statistic dropped from 99.9% earlier today to 60% 21:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (of all people who purchased the game) 21:53:24 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:09:04 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 22:19:30 *** aard has quit IRC 22:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think i should have built a train line to connect up this quarry instead of horse carts. i need dozens of them 22:38:10 <supermop> sounds like leifbk's screenshot thread 22:42:09 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 22:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i think i'm marginally profitable 22:47:15 <Wolf01> I'm marginally profitable since I started... 22:47:34 <Wolf01> I'm not able to get enough of anything 22:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> one ship route between two towns, one stone route with horse and one building materials route for each town (one horse one ship). plus two inner-city routes with horses 22:48:13 <supermop> would i need to buy a new computer to play this? 22:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> would certainly help :p 22:49:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not having a lot of problems yet, except for some lag spikes when opening construction menus 22:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking about runing a pretty long coal->steel mill ship route, to complement my nearby ore mines, but i'm not sure where to deliver the steel. and i'd need to up my loan for that 23:27:54 *** plp has joined #openttd 23:41:01 *** bwn has quit IRC 23:43:31 *** plp has quit IRC 23:44:35 *** bwn has joined #openttd 23:51:03 *** plp has joined #openttd