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13:35:12 <Wolf01> Nope 13:40:45 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 14:39:57 *** Gja has joined #openttd 14:41:42 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:06:05 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:06:46 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:12:01 *** synchris has joined #openttd 15:19:58 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 15:24:00 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:24:07 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:30:43 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:30:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:31:10 <Alberth> o/ 15:33:36 <frosch123> hoi 15:39:47 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 15:40:10 *** cHawk has quit IRC 15:55:10 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 16:03:39 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 16:05:56 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:21:12 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 16:21:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 16:28:04 *** tokai has quit IRC 16:40:32 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:40:32 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:51:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:56:55 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:58:48 *** Gja has quit IRC 17:18:07 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 17:56:01 *** Gja has joined #openttd 18:23:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:24:52 <andythenorth> o/ 18:25:21 <ST2> morning :) 18:37:59 <andythenorth> I renamed MNSP http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargos.html#manufacturing_supplies 18:38:03 <andythenorth> no kittens died 18:38:38 <andythenorth> frosch123: ^ could drop the special MNSP handling in cargo flow http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html 18:38:48 <andythenorth> I tried it, makes the charts…worse 18:38:57 <andythenorth> but it’s not a magic cargo in any way 18:41:39 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:50:09 <andythenorth> with no special handling: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html 18:51:14 <andythenorth> ach seems to not have built 18:53:39 <andythenorth> nah, browser caching 18:54:23 <andythenorth> previous version http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6399-1856/docs/html/economies.html 19:09:32 <andythenorth> not convinced that Extreme is worse :P 19:09:37 <andythenorth> it’s already as bad as can be 19:13:24 * andythenorth wonders if FIRS would be a lot better without Packaging / MNSP 19:20:40 <andythenorth> wow 19:23:13 <Alkel_U3> well, I like MNSP 19:24:07 <Alkel_U3> even so, ultimately I think I'm not able to really answer that question 19:27:29 <frosch123> andythenorth: MNSP is now produced nowhere? 19:28:33 <frosch123> oh, it is also required nowhere 19:33:25 <andythenorth> I pushed an experiment 19:34:09 <andythenorth> 1861 shows MNSP renamed to packaging http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6400-1861/docs/html/economies.html 19:34:18 <andythenorth> and no special-case in flow graphs 19:34:43 <andythenorth> 1862 shows it totally removed http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6400-1862/docs/html/economies.html 19:34:51 <andythenorth> which is appealing, but might be a step too far 19:34:57 <andythenorth> MNSP tends to just piss me off in games 19:35:02 <andythenorth> it’s never where you want it 19:35:16 <andythenorth> but if I remove all the constraints...meh 19:35:37 <frosch123> arctic baic has only one industry that needs it? 19:35:53 <andythenorth> yes 19:35:56 <andythenorth> fishing harbour 19:36:08 <andythenorth> the tell here is that food processing plant doesn’t and has never used it 19:37:01 <frosch123> tropic basic may look better, since chemicals does no longer cross the whole chart 19:37:06 <frosch123> otoh food back arrow 19:37:39 <andythenorth> isn’t it :) 19:37:50 <andythenorth> the 1862 version without packaging is much neater 19:38:17 <frosch123> hot country is way worse though 19:38:19 <andythenorth> the history of MNSP cargo is odd 19:38:30 <andythenorth> it was ‘components’ and ‘packaging’ for a while 19:38:33 <andythenorth> then it got combined 19:41:58 * andythenorth ponders 19:43:28 <andythenorth> most of the destinations were food processors 19:43:46 <andythenorth> food chemicals? 19:43:55 <andythenorth> probably more important than packaging in some cases 19:45:04 <frosch123> you already have way too much chemicals 19:46:23 <frosch123> andythenorth: in hot country it seems to be mostly bottles 19:46:30 <frosch123> so packaging is not that bad of a generic therm 19:46:33 <frosch123> -h 19:47:08 <andythenorth> chemicals make the world go round 19:47:17 <andythenorth> especially the halucinogenic ones 19:47:47 <andythenorth> it’s quite nice to look at a lot of industries that only need one input cargo 19:48:14 <andythenorth> dunno, seems like a big change to make without testing eh 19:48:23 <andythenorth> possible regret 19:49:29 *** Alberth has left #openttd 19:50:19 <andythenorth> do we bottle flour? 19:50:39 <frosch123> bottled fish 19:50:48 <frosch123> it's likely still alive 19:54:56 <andythenorth> but the vineyard doesn’t need MNSP 19:55:01 <andythenorth> no bottled wine 19:55:21 <andythenorth> :P 19:55:40 <andythenorth> 🍾 19:56:05 *** synchris has quit IRC 20:08:25 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:13:01 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:17:32 *** davidstrauss has joined #openttd 20:18:31 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:33:24 <andythenorth> hmm 20:33:33 <andythenorth> maybe keep packaging in extreme 20:33:36 <andythenorth> where it’s painful :P 20:38:33 <andythenorth> Fishing Harbour should be Fish Processor 20:38:34 <andythenorth> but eh 20:43:18 <Wolf01> Something fishy here? 20:43:44 <andythenorth> what meat is packed in jars? 20:43:52 <andythenorth> hot dog sausages? 20:43:52 <Wolf01> andythenorth, did you see the video of this lego expo? 20:43:56 <andythenorth> nah 20:43:58 <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqgAKlhrsZM 20:45:13 <andythenorth> crazy clock building 20:45:58 <andythenorth> serious technic men in red shirts 20:46:16 <Wolf01> Yeah, those are professional ones :P 20:57:08 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:59:49 <andythenorth> bed 20:59:49 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:05:35 *** Hiddenfunstuff has quit IRC 21:15:43 *** DDR has quit IRC 21:18:02 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:21:36 *** LongyanG has joined #openttd 21:24:45 *** Long_yanG has quit IRC 21:28:22 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:31:55 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:46:56 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:56:13 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:57:52 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 22:00:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 22:03:20 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 22:09:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:36:03 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:51:18 *** Celestar has quit IRC 23:06:59 *** Celestar has joined #openttd 23:14:04 *** FLHerne has quit IRC