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07:46:54  <LordAro> that's an impressively bad connection
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08:28:25  <Alberth> o/
08:32:00  <Arveen> \o
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08:43:35  <Eddi|zuHause> so, the cities skylines support answered me pointing at this thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/every-light-in-the-game-has-halos-surrounding-it.985594
08:45:11  <Alberth> joy
08:46:16  <Eddi|zuHause> that does look exactly like my problem, however i'm not sure there's a solution in there
08:48:18  <Alberth> it broke, -force-opengl worked for a while, and now it's broken in upstream drivers
08:48:50  <Alberth> do we have some standard place for example DOS palette image?
08:50:09  <Eddi|zuHause> dpcs/palettes?
08:50:14  <Eddi|zuHause> docs
08:50:57  <Eddi|zuHause> hm. there's not actually an image there
08:51:21  <Alberth> found it https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/PalettesAndCoordinates
08:54:34  <Alberth> oh, and of course the NML tutorial already links to it :p
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09:14:01  <Wolf01> o/
09:14:39  <Wolf01> Cthulhu cookies for breakfast, yummm
09:15:59  <V453000> yoyo
09:16:19  <Alberth> o/
09:30:10  <Eddi|zuHause> that thread mentions something about llvm 4.0
09:30:20  <Eddi|zuHause> but i have no real idea how i should update that
09:30:38  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have llvm installed, only libllvm, and it says 3.8.0
09:33:10  <Alberth> libllvm is likely the runtime support for the technology
09:33:39  <Alberth> you could check which packages use it, to see what you pull over if you upgrade
09:34:15  <Alberth> other side of llvm is in the compiler and the linker, afaik, but tbh, no idea what it exactly does
09:34:40  <Wolf01> Eddi http://apt.llvm.org/ ?
09:35:32  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: yeah, that's what i'm afraid of, if i just pull a new version of libllvm, i might break random stuff
09:35:47  <Alberth> since it's a major version change, likely it's the difference between latest stable and current unstable
09:36:59  <Wolf01> Meh, windows store on phone is broken, can't update/download apps, and since it auto-updates itself I think I must wait for another windows update for a fix :|
09:48:22  <Wolf01> Oh, they have just broken the install on sd card again..
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10:03:08  <andythenorth_> o/
10:03:15  <Wolf01> o/
10:05:15  <Alberth>  o/
10:05:46  <LordAro> o/
10:15:30  <andythenorth_> Engine lengths
10:15:44  <andythenorth_> Short > medium > long
10:15:58  <andythenorth_> Gen 1 > gen 3
10:16:00  <andythenorth_> ?
10:16:21  <andythenorth_> IH is weird, engines get longer then shorter
10:16:22  <Wolf01> short > long > medium
10:16:36  <andythenorth_> Realism?
10:17:14  <Wolf01> You got me
10:19:45  <Wolf01> I've always seen it as natural development order: first version -> more power more space -> even more power in compressed space
10:20:35  <andythenorth_> That is what IH does
10:20:57  <Wolf01> But you are free to not give a shit and make all the same size
10:21:13  <Wolf01> Or even long -> medium -> short :D
10:21:21  <andythenorth_> :d
10:24:49  <andythenorth_> Wagons: 4/8 > 4/8 > 8/8....weird jump?
10:25:04  <andythenorth_> Unless there are 4 generations....
10:25:24  <andythenorth_> Realism says 6/8 for gen 2
10:25:53  <andythenorth_> But that prevents integer train length
10:26:42  <Wolf01> Even "medium" prevents integer train length, or "short" if "medium" is 4/8
10:27:47  <andythenorth_> Medium is probly 6/8
10:28:46  <Wolf01> I don't care about train lenght while it fits the station, so I don't care about integer lenght, that's only your decision
10:29:02  <Wolf01> I would play it anyway
10:30:55  <andythenorth_> I could make the last wagon change length
10:31:10  <andythenorth_> So it always reports integer
10:31:20  <Wolf01> That's weird, really
10:31:41  <andythenorth_> Or I could offer multiple wagon lengths on refit
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10:32:08  <andythenorth_> The non-integer lengths are quite unbearable :D
10:32:25  <andythenorth_> The rounding is not even consistent
10:32:43  <Wolf01> Just don't give a shit?
10:34:15  <andythenorth_> There's no meta-game that way :p
10:34:45  <andythenorth_> Somebody devised this as a challenge to newgrf authors ;)
10:35:04  <andythenorth_> Now I have to beat it
10:35:58  <Wolf01> Make a newobject yard with an animated shunting puzzle
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10:41:16  <Wolf01> Quak
10:42:15  <frosch123> bau
11:02:45  <Wolf01> frosch123: https://github.com/andythenorth/NotRoadTypes/tree/can-build-vehicle-infrastructure could we try to finish this once and for all?
11:03:18  <Flygon> <Wolf01> Make a newobject yard with an animated shunting puzzle
11:03:25  <Flygon> So basically that Thomas the Tank Engine DOS game.
11:04:12  <Wolf01> I've never played it, but it should be enough to keep andy busy for a nice amount of time :P
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11:18:09  <andythenorth_> Will 2/8 wagons look silly? o_O
11:18:22  <Wolf01> Yes
11:18:33  <andythenorth_> Hmm
11:18:52  <Wolf01> [__]|||||| <-
11:20:25  <andythenorth_> Possibly it's impossible to make a train grf?? :)
11:21:00  <Wolf01> If you put hard limits, then maybe it is
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19:18:10  <V453000> LMFAO train acceleration model is still Original as default?
19:25:28  <Wolf01> Yeah, don't you like it?
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