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08:40:17  <PressureLine> The wind noises on arcticc are a bit overblown imo
09:13:31  <peter1138> I think it's all bit wonky since the extra zoom levels.
09:13:57  <peter1138> There's far more sounds 'visible' now.
09:43:33  <V453000> hehe yeah
09:54:39  <PressureLine> good news is
09:54:58  <PressureLine> the ALCo/GE boxcab is ****ing awesome for wood hauling
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14:15:21  <Samu> hi
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15:47:18  <Alberth> o/
15:47:38  <crem> o__/
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15:52:56  <Samu> I wish there was ship ai that would make use of rivers :(
15:53:43  <Alberth> building docks in rivers is a obstacle, I think
15:55:00  <Samu> someone reported this on the forum https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=200433
15:55:19  <Samu> i'm familiar with that widget naming
15:55:47  <Samu> WID_RV_TRAIN_ENGINEWAGON_DROPDOWN
15:55:57  <Samu> WID_RV_TRAIN_RAILTYPE_DROPDOWN
15:56:04  <Samu> WID_RV_TRAIN_WAGONREMOVE_TOGGLE
15:56:23  <Samu> that name on the report doesn't exist
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15:56:54  <Samu> it's used for the autoreplace train window
16:01:51  <Samu> heh, it could be a toggle, but it's not
16:01:53  <Samu> it's a dropdown
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16:05:22  <Samu> cpu evaluator kills so many AI's :(
16:11:13  <Alberth> it's more that many AIs are abandoned
16:18:39  <Eddi|zuHause> <Alberth> building docks in rivers is a obstacle, I think <-- i think that is silly
16:19:16  <Eddi|zuHause> like people rationalizing why they're still living in an abusive relationship
16:23:26  <Alberth> I don't see what you're trying to say
16:32:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm trying to say that building docks shouldn't be an obstacle
16:32:52  <Eddi|zuHause> it should be made easier
16:32:59  <Eddi|zuHause> by allowing more placement options
16:35:28  <peter1138> I had a patch for that...
16:39:58  <Samu> i made some too
16:41:04  <Samu> can build on land, it just places canals under it
16:41:16  <Samu> it's just that the costs are too much
16:44:12  <Samu> what have you done peter1138
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16:48:53  <peter1138> It was ages ago.
16:49:01  <peter1138> And unfinished.
16:49:41  <Samu> i really have to organize this topic https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=76075
16:50:02  <Samu> download v7, to see what I've done
16:50:25  <Samu> crap, wrong topic
16:50:41  <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=72691
16:50:44  <Samu> this is it
16:50:58  <Samu> i'm in the process of merging those two
16:52:02  <Eddi|zuHause> of course you did, and of course it was... :p
16:53:04  <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1176710#p1176710 description is here
16:53:10  <Samu> documentation*
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16:53:41  <Samu> kinda, most of it is there
16:53:50  <Samu> must update the topic really:(
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17:33:40  <Samu> slope math!
17:33:43  <Samu> if (((IsSlopeWithOneCornerRaised(slope2) || IsSlopeWithThreeCornersRaised(slope2) || slope2 == SLOPE_EW || slope2 == SLOPE_NS) && IsInclinedSlope(slope1) && DiagDirToAxis(GetInclinedSlopeDirection(slope1)) == axis) || ((IsSlopeWithOneCornerRaised(slope1) || IsSlopeWithThreeCornersRaised(slope1) || slope1 == SLOPE_EW || slope1 == SLOPE_NS) && IsInclinedSlope(slope2) && DiagDirToAxis(GetInclinedSlopeDirection(slope2)) == axis)) return_cmd_error
17:33:47  <Samu> doesn't even fit
17:34:23  <Samu> LE);
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17:51:53  <Alberth> looks like 2 times the same test, once for slope1 and once for slope2 ?
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18:04:55  <Wolf01> o/
18:05:03  <Wolf01> Is it friday yet?
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18:07:14  <Wolf01> Wtf? 14 updates of 512bytes on steam
18:10:31  <Alberth> 7KB? that shouldn't be a problem :p
18:10:58  <Alberth> and it's almost friday
18:13:06  <Wolf01> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1194543#p1194543 wait, what?
18:14:27  <Samu> it's an exploit :(
18:15:06  <Wolf01> Mmmh, make a bridge of 2 tiles to make a 2 tile straight ramp, handle it on grf and the state machine to fix the graphics+vehicle position... win
18:15:07  <Samu> a bug
18:15:55  <Samu> same with road vehicles
18:17:12  <Samu> i've seen ppl exploit this bug to make trains go faster. Makes me wonder what kind of OpenTTD they're using, it seems they build those 2-tile ramps automatically with drag and drop
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20:55:20  <V453000> omg slope steepness hax
20:55:34  <Wolf01> o/
20:58:33  <frosch123> should we fix it, or keep it as advanced building technique? :p
20:58:39  <frosch123> cover slopes in bridges
20:59:25  <V453000> if it's complicated to fix, I wouldn't care
20:59:29  <V453000> if it's super simple, eh I guess
21:00:12  <V453000> it also has the opposite side of the coin
21:00:42  <V453000> if the downhill matters more then it's more efficient to build bridges in complex joiners because at the point when train joins it's going downhill, not uphill from a tunnel
21:01:54  <frosch123> yeah, you can accelerate trains my combiing bridges and slopes in a row
21:02:03  <frosch123> up on hill, down on bridge or so
21:02:44  <Wolf01> If you can make trains go faster than their max speed is a win
21:03:19  <frosch123> unlikely :)=
21:19:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i think someone would have noticed if vehicles on bridges ignore speed limits
21:19:43  <Eddi|zuHause> can anyone help me unfritz my fritzbox?
21:20:09  <Eddi|zuHause> every guide on the internet say i should check the capacitors
21:20:15  <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't see anything unusual
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21:23:18  <debdog> throw it out the window, get yourself a proper router
21:24:00  <debdog> also, not always is it visable on the outside if a capacitor is defective
21:24:09  <debdog> if in doubt, just replace all of 'em
21:27:30  <Eddi|zuHause> debdog: i have a linksys router that i found somewhere, but it doesn't have a usb port to put a UMTS stick on, and i have an older fritzbox which does have a USB port, but doesn't offer that functionality software-wise
21:28:28  <Eddi|zuHause> also, there's like 10 capacitors of multiple capacities, and i don't have any spare parts. or soldering skills for that matter
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21:30:16  <debdog> hmm
21:30:45  <debdog> do you know anyone with such skills?
21:31:00  <Eddi|zuHause> also, my multimeter doesn't have a capacity measuring function
21:31:13  <debdog> depending on how many layers the PCB has, it mightbe challenging
21:31:44  <debdog> ideally throw them all away
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21:31:57  <debdog> and replace them with new ones
21:33:05  <debdog> if the PCB only has an upper and lower side layer, it probably is not too hard to replace them even without soldering skills
21:33:35  <Eddi|zuHause> "layers" sounds like something you'd do in a cellphone to save space
21:33:52  <debdog> hehe
21:34:19  <debdog> I think I never saw a fritzbox' inside live
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21:36:30  <debdog> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiterplattenentflechtung#/media/File:Pcblayout.png
21:37:25  <debdog> only has conducting paths on top and bottom
21:37:49  <debdog> if there are layers inside the board it sometimes is hard to get rid of the old solder
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21:45:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i find it hard to belive that they would do that on a device that is not really space restricted
21:49:47  <debdog> since the multi layer boards are not really expensive anymore they are used even for non-space-critical stuff, too. for various reasons
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21:54:27  <debdog> however, if you intend to give it a shot, I'd be glad to guide you through.
21:54:42  <Eddi|zuHause> not today
21:55:32  <debdog> of course not. you'd have to get at least one replacement capacitor first
21:55:46  <debdog> and Entlötlitze
21:56:56  <debdog> or just get all the capacitors and give it to someone you know with soldering skills to replace them
21:58:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd really like to figure out which part is broken, though
21:59:16  <debdog> what does it do? or rather, what doesn't it?
21:59:20  <debdog> totally dead?
21:59:35  <debdog> how old is it?
21:59:37  <Eddi|zuHause> a few red LEDs, no function
21:59:40  <Eddi|zuHause> over 5 years
21:59:56  <Eddi|zuHause> 7270 v3
22:00:37  <debdog> well, replacing the caps would be a first to start. if it still not works, start replacing other stuff.
22:01:45  <debdog> also, on freenode there's a channel ##fitzbox. mayhap hippie there has some experience with the insides of fritzboxes
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22:02:02  <debdog> ##fritzbox
22:02:39  <debdog> or one of the other guys, for that matter.
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22:09:41  <Samu> what is wrong in this picture?
22:10:00  <Samu> the AIs aren't ready for my patch:(
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22:43:09  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:09:42  <supermop> how would a RV grf cause crashes?
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23:20:52  <debdog> driving on the wrong side of the road?
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23:47:57  <GeneralCamo> Hello
23:48:03  <GeneralCamo> Does anyone here work on OpenMSX?
23:48:52  <GeneralCamo> I'm not a fan of some of the percussion lines in some of the songs (E.G, Modern Motion), and was considering redoing them.

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