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06:24:50 <V453000> uhhh it was some concept in DOOM about reducing the vehicle's performance over time 06:25:00 <Afdal> Whole reason I asked what OpenTTD is written is because I'm giving serious thought to coding an alternative breakdown system 06:25:10 <V453000> it's not possible in the full implementation that I wanted to do and the limited implementation is a bit odd 06:25:21 <Afdal> Feel like if I keep waiting for someone to come up with this I'll be waiting forever 06:26:00 <V453000> well I think overall the breakdown system just needs to reward you if you service right ... aka, trains never break down if all of them have been serviced in last 3 months, or something 06:26:09 <Afdal> I would like to see a breakdown system that doesn't have breakdowns if you service regularly 06:26:14 <V453000> yes 06:26:15 <Afdal> yep, exactly my thoughts 06:26:16 <V453000> :D 06:27:00 <V453000> I was trying to decrease vehicle's performance over time but then I realized I can only do it upon depot/station visits, which didn't make much sense 06:27:01 <Afdal> I'd really love for logic gates to work with breakdowns on 06:27:07 <V453000> :d 06:27:22 <V453000> would be nice to have a vehicle flag for no breakdowns then :P 06:27:32 <Afdal> yeah that could work too 06:28:09 <Afdal> TTD always had a silly breakdown system, it's time for OpenTTD to move on 06:28:44 <Afdal> first I'll have to learn C++ apparently though 06:28:51 <Afdal> been meaning to pick that up for a long time now 06:29:01 <V453000> well, I agree :) good luck 06:29:24 <Afdal> and then after that I can finish that newGRF I've never finished 06:29:34 <Afdal> and then that Battle for Wesnoth mod I never finished 06:29:39 <Afdal> oh and CATS 06:29:46 <Afdal> it's gonna be great... 06:30:03 <V453000> :D 06:30:10 <V453000> CATS would be amazing, yes 06:32:09 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:22:38 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 07:22:47 *** cosmobird has joined #openttd 07:23:12 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 08:07:50 *** Celestar1 has quit IRC 08:18:35 *** Celestar has joined #openttd 08:28:31 *** ZexaronS has joined #openttd 08:52:27 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 08:53:05 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 08:53:32 *** longtomjr_ has quit IRC 08:55:40 *** dustinm`_ has joined #openttd 08:57:16 *** dustinm` has quit IRC 08:57:16 *** dustinm`_ is now known as dustinm` 09:08:18 *** cHawk has quit IRC 09:16:22 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 09:17:46 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 09:45:56 *** Progman has joined #openttd 09:54:11 *** Compu has quit IRC 09:54:22 *** Compu has joined #openttd 09:55:41 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 10:28:27 *** Speedy has quit IRC 10:34:34 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 10:34:41 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 10:37:54 *** TigerbotHesh has joined #openttd 10:53:05 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 10:53:40 *** Speedy has quit IRC 10:53:40 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 11:24:45 *** Thedarkb1 has quit IRC 11:26:39 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 12:10:09 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 12:30:37 *** Progman_ has joined #openttd 12:36:02 *** Progman has quit IRC 12:36:12 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 12:45:24 *** DDR has quit IRC 12:57:57 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 13:12:21 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 13:29:17 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 13:36:26 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:40:27 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 13:48:11 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 13:49:03 <__ln__> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/7nl8r0/intel_bug_incoming/ 13:52:33 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 13:53:59 *** Gja has joined #openttd 14:18:53 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 14:23:16 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 14:30:02 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:34:56 *** Samu has joined #openttd 14:36:21 *** Samu has quit IRC 14:37:36 *** tokai has joined #openttd 14:37:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 14:41:46 *** Samu has joined #openttd 14:41:51 <Samu> hi 14:42:18 <Samu> AroAI doesn't seem to care about cargodist 14:42:41 <Samu> i see quite some heavy costs on delivering passengers 14:42:53 <Samu> but overall, it's profits are positive 14:43:14 <LordAro> given i've not touched it in 5 years, that's not too bad :) 14:43:57 <Samu> it's one of those rare ais that reuses stations 14:44:05 <Samu> for various destinations 14:44:33 <LordAro> :) 14:44:37 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 14:51:47 <Samu> https://imgur.com/fbqFSQv 14:51:57 <Samu> weird route 14:53:01 <Samu> it contourns the whole sea to get to the other side 14:54:57 <Samu> civilai bankrupted 14:57:31 <LordAro> heh, that's unfortunate 14:57:39 <LordAro> pathfinder doesn't do bridges 15:07:51 *** TigerbotHesh has quit IRC 15:14:10 *** Gja has quit IRC 15:24:13 *** ed-209 has joined #openttd 15:41:18 *** TigerbotHesh has joined #openttd 15:47:28 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:50:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 15:53:18 *** RafiX has joined #openttd 16:09:36 <michi_cc> peter1138: You happen to know OpenGL on Linux? http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/git/opengl.git needs a SDL/Linux video driver :) 16:10:46 *** synchris has joined #openttd 16:13:31 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:24:07 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 16:30:18 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 16:39:09 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:39:38 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest932 16:39:39 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 16:40:33 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 16:43:09 *** Guest932 has quit IRC 16:52:42 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 16:57:05 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 17:00:46 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 17:03:34 <peter1138> Only as much as in my old patches. 17:05:28 *** Arveen2 has quit IRC 17:05:40 <LordAro> sdl with an opengl context isn't *too* awful, iirc 17:31:04 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 17:39:40 <michi_cc> LordAro: Oh, a volunteer :p 17:41:31 <michi_cc> On synthetic tests (mostly empty map) I can get a fast forward speed of 2000 fps instead of 1000 fps with 32bpp anim blitter (on a fast rig, results may and do vary :) 17:45:52 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 17:57:33 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 17:58:23 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:58:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:59:17 <LordAro> michi_cc: haha 17:59:22 <LordAro> well, maybe 17:59:38 <LordAro> i'm pretty sure i've got another 5 things on my "ottd todo list" though 18:08:31 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:09:08 <Wolf01> o/ 18:10:17 *** Arveen has quit IRC 18:11:47 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 18:23:35 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 18:27:58 <Samu> AIAI is doing quite bad 18:28:07 <Samu> in comparison to what I'm used to see from it 18:28:36 <Samu> 1 train and 15 road vehicles in 40 years... strange 18:29:16 <Wormnest> Probably too afraid to do anything with maintenance turned on 18:33:43 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:35:31 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 19:10:35 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 19:14:27 *** urdh_ has quit IRC 19:18:55 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:19:15 <Wolf01> o/ 19:21:31 <andythenorth> hi 19:40:41 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Know anything about OSX OpenGL coding? 19:41:05 <michi_cc> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/git/opengl.git might potentially be most useful for you. 19:45:01 *** m3henry has quit IRC 19:45:33 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 20:11:08 <Wolf01> Meh... purchased more games :( 20:12:31 <m3henry> Surely this is a time to rejoice? 20:13:41 <andythenorth> michi_cc: I don't know anything no :( 20:13:46 <andythenorth> but I can test patch 20:14:24 <michi_cc> Can't do patch :( OpenGL on OSX doesn't work in a VM. 20:16:00 <andythenorth> :P 20:16:27 <andythenorth> https://www.macincloud.com/ o_O 20:17:32 <andythenorth> hmm I could just open a port on my router and give you SSH on a mac :P 20:17:50 <Wolf01> And fuck up security like that? 20:18:02 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 20:19:06 <andythenorth> one port, one SSH with strong creds? 20:19:10 <andythenorth> probably alright :P 20:19:32 <andythenorth> not on _my_ mac 20:19:35 <andythenorth> it would be a burner 20:20:01 <andythenorth> / hour for rental mac michi_cc o_O 20:20:04 <andythenorth> I could fund that :P 20:20:07 <andythenorth> https://portal.macincloud.com/select/#/plans 20:20:49 <RafiX> Wolf01: I need to buy some games for PS3 20:21:01 <Wolf01> I don't know console games 20:21:02 <RafiX> and Wii, but games for Wii are pretty expensive here 20:21:26 <Wolf01> I only buy games on huge discount, better if humblebundle or alike 20:21:59 <RafiX> well on ps3 used games on discs are dirp cheap 20:22:31 <michi_cc> I'm not exactly sure remote access does in fact allow seeing OpenGL graphics output. The real problem is time anyway, don't look at the author time stamps in the repo (which is not the commit timestamp shown on summary page). 20:22:56 <peter1138> Meh. 20:23:06 <michi_cc> Like e.g. http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/git/opengl.git/commit/906debf52ddc5a4d4d14dd931662f18148fb0e05 :S 20:23:12 <peter1138> If it works for Windows, just add it. 20:24:51 <michi_cc> peter1138: It's not completely finished yet. Best performance requires blitter and video driver, which makes OTTD init a bit of a chicken and egg problem. 20:25:14 <peter1138> Oh 20:26:11 <michi_cc> It's not a huge problem, mind you, but still some work. 20:31:08 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 20:32:10 <m3henry> I've converted about half of the instances of SmallVector<T,S> which are non time-critical to using std::vector<T> with some helper functions to ease transitioning. Should I submit a patch with my current changes or do all of the instances and submit it then? 20:33:14 <LordAro> "commit per logical change" is usually how it goes 20:36:36 <m3henry> I've got about 30 commits, one for the new functions, and the rest are for each typedef I've changed 20:38:15 <m3henry> So I could submit 30 patches, but that seems a bit odd, is there a way to do a pull request? 20:38:56 <LordAro> it wouldn't necessarily be unreasonable - smaller commits are easier to review, and so more likely to be included 20:39:14 <LordAro> there's no easy way to do a pull request, unfortunately 20:39:20 <LordAro> just a series of numbered patch files 20:46:58 <m3henry> Good thing I haven't been squashing then :3 20:47:54 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:54:01 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 21:13:32 *** synchris has quit IRC 21:23:12 <andythenorth> michi_cc: I'm tempted to try and patch this :P 21:23:16 <andythenorth> but really I know nothing 21:23:30 <andythenorth> that's not being modest :P 21:24:53 <andythenorth> https://www.evl.uic.edu/arao/cs594/sdlglsl.html looks old 21:38:45 *** RafiX has quit IRC 21:40:12 <m3henry> Alright, I'll submit my progress so far, turns out git format-patch makes creating a sequence of patches easy for me 21:45:10 <m3henry> Should I submit as [WIP] or as [Patch], as it is ready fine as-is, but there are still more instances to do. 21:53:50 <LordAro> i can't imagine it'll matter either way :p 21:58:29 <m3henry> Fair, I may have hit the file limit in attachments 21:58:40 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 21:58:41 <m3henry> it did say don't upload as archives 22:04:31 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:10:58 <LordAro> well, if you've got no choice.. 22:12:38 <m3henry> xD 22:12:48 *** cosmobird has quit IRC 22:19:51 *** m3henry has quit IRC 22:20:20 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 22:54:00 <Wolf01> 'night 22:54:02 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:59:02 *** m3henry has quit IRC 23:00:19 *** m3henry_ has joined #openttd 23:44:00 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 23:44:12 *** Speedy has quit IRC 23:44:17 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 23:48:18 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:58:23 *** m3henry_ has quit IRC