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Lady Wolf01? 16:54:19 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 16:54:26 <Wolf01> Nah, just "Wolf01" 16:56:18 <Wolf01> This evening, in the last hour of work, in my usual hallucinatory state, I was trying to figure out a way to integrate custom functions on a data extraction for a chart... tomorrow I'll read the notes and I'll say "wtf I wrote yesterday?" 16:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> typical. 17:05:28 *** urdh has quit IRC 17:06:14 *** urdh has joined #openttd 17:18:28 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 17:20:08 *** erani has quit IRC 17:20:09 *** erani has joined #openttd 17:27:20 *** rocky1138 has quit IRC 17:27:43 *** rocky1138 has joined #openttd 17:30:16 *** goodger has quit IRC 17:30:32 *** goodger has joined #openttd 17:33:03 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:42:07 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 17:44:12 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:44:18 <andythenorth> o/ 17:44:59 <andythenorth> so when NRT is merged, is that OpenTTD 2.0? o_O 17:48:59 <peter1138> 2.0 is fully 3D 17:51:31 <Wolf01> But I would lock the camera to keep the current visual 17:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, all the hassle of porting to a 3d engine, but none of the benefits :p 17:52:55 <Wolf01> Not even the map rotation 17:53:41 <andythenorth> no pm or alberth? o_O 17:54:17 <andythenorth> frosch123 can I commit this in nml trunk? https://github.com/andythenorth/nml-andythenorth/commit/6103847357bd77d4c8699fd5276557f67befbfee 18:00:44 <frosch123> why not? 18:02:00 *** Laedek has quit IRC 18:02:00 <andythenorth> needs review eh 18:02:11 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 18:02:23 <andythenorth> that was the review 18:05:28 *** Gja has joined #openttd 18:07:24 *** keoz has quit IRC 18:09:06 <andythenorth> done 18:10:33 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 18:10:43 <Wolf01> Ginger ale time 18:10:44 <andythenorth> nml could use a release maybe 18:10:51 <andythenorth> and I could maybe clean some issues up https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/issues?per_page=100 18:11:08 <frosch123> devzone could use a reboot :) 18:11:11 <andythenorth> what I want to do is draw sprites, play tanks, and wreck FIRS for 64 cargos 18:11:16 <andythenorth> frosch123: a literal reboot? 18:11:35 <frosch123> nah, just some container 18:11:40 <andythenorth> or a metaphorical, "why is it not all on github" reboot? 18:11:42 <Wolf01> Go 64k or go home 18:11:53 <andythenorth> "why does frosch123 have to restart rhodecode so often" reboot 18:11:54 <frosch123> andythenorth: nml compile failed 18:12:08 <andythenorth> tests? 18:12:11 * andythenorth will look 18:12:20 <frosch123> nah, just devzone issues 18:12:42 <andythenorth> oh that 18:12:58 <andythenorth> devzone aside, nml is a candidate for github imho 18:14:01 <andythenorth> wonder if I can persuade pm to help tidy nml issues 18:14:05 <frosch123> i doubt that would attract contributors in this case 18:14:33 <andythenorth> dunno 18:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with the current repo? 18:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like it's svn 18:14:57 <andythenorth> it's hg, it can't take PRs, the infra crashes a lot 18:15:15 <frosch123> there is only one commit a year either way 18:15:38 <andythenorth> the problem with nml isn't contributors, it's lack of BDFL :) 18:15:51 <andythenorth> the maintenance commits against openttd are rarely hard 18:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well, what needs doing anyway? every time openttd adds something to grf specs, nml needs an update. and missing parts like stations, bridges, ... 18:17:26 <andythenorth> yes 18:17:42 <andythenorth> it's usually trivial, but I dislike making those commits without review 18:18:22 <andythenorth> also dunno what the release process is, if any 18:18:36 <andythenorth> we seem to have pushed to pypi historically, but lapsed 18:18:44 <andythenorth> and there's some magic to generate the windows .exe 18:18:56 <frosch123> ammler pushed to pypi 18:19:06 <andythenorth> embed nml into some C wrapper, and ship binaries with OpenTTD? o_O 18:19:19 <frosch123> some years ago pm recovered the login for pypi, but we never pushed 18:19:24 <andythenorth> https://docs.python.org/2/extending/embedding.html 18:20:00 <frosch123> i have no idea what you want to achieve with that 18:20:06 <frosch123> nml is already a debian package 18:20:32 <andythenorth> avoiding python package install hell? o_O 18:20:41 <frosch123> you are the only one with that problem 18:20:50 <andythenorth> I don't have that problem 18:20:51 <frosch123> literally 18:20:58 <frosch123> then there is no problem 18:22:00 *** triolus has quit IRC 18:22:00 *** triolus has joined #openttd 18:22:43 <andythenorth> I'm going to close some issues 18:23:03 <frosch123> better fix them :) 18:23:34 <andythenorth> I'll see 18:24:02 <andythenorth> this I can fix https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5423 18:24:06 <andythenorth> I ran into that recently 18:37:28 *** dustinm`_ has quit IRC 18:38:03 *** dustinm` has joined #openttd 18:41:14 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 18:49:12 *** mikegrb_ has quit IRC 18:49:18 *** mikegrb has joined #openttd 19:00:17 *** glx has joined #openttd 19:00:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 19:02:29 <frosch123> is it ok to compile squirrel into python just to run info.nut? 19:03:20 <andythenorth> o_O 19:03:37 <andythenorth> 'probably' 19:05:22 <Wolf01> You can put a squirrel in a python, but not the inverse :P 19:06:21 <andythenorth> what's the objective? o_O 19:07:05 <frosch123> earlier i wrote bananas2 modules to parse newgrf and savegames to extract dependencies and some meta data 19:07:13 <frosch123> next i need that for ai and gs 19:07:38 <Wolf01> :o 19:07:46 <frosch123> the existing stuff like musa tries to parse the file directly by grepping for stuff like "return" 19:07:52 <frosch123> but that does not work with all scripts 19:09:21 <michi_cc> glx: Would you be able to review this extremely complicated Windows PR? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6840 19:09:34 <frosch123> in retrospect it was probably bad design to make ai and gs specify their meta data as a script 19:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> most designs are bad in retrospect :p 19:13:42 <andythenorth> json manifest? o_O 19:14:01 <andythenorth> some kind of yaml nonsense? 19:14:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause is quite right, although I find it hard to reconcile with his 'but you must have a good spec' advice :P 19:16:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> is it ok to compile squirrel into python just to run info.nut? <-- i can't see any situation where your automatted script running arbitrary user code would cause a problem... 19:17:36 <frosch123> it does that just before shipping it to your computer to run it there 19:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there's probably someone out there who wrote a squirrel parser for python, so you can do a static analysis 19:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: uhm, yeah, but the squirrel "vm" in openttd is probably a bit more limited than your python interpreter 19:20:29 <andythenorth> run it all in docker 19:20:33 <andythenorth> docker is secure! 19:21:06 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i just want to put the ottd squirrel into a shared libary and bind that to python 19:21:22 <frosch123> so, ottd code in native python wrapper 19:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause> is that easier than running openttd directly and poking it with the admin port? 19:22:26 <frosch123> i think so :) 19:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there are automatted wrapper generators for C(++) modules 19:27:29 *** peter1138 has quit IRC 19:27:31 *** peter1138 has joined #openttd 19:27:52 *** KouDy has quit IRC 19:29:44 <frosch123> not in the info.nut 19:31:29 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:32:07 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 19:44:08 *** Sacro has quit IRC 19:44:19 *** Sacro has joined #openttd 19:45:47 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 19:51:10 *** muffindrake1 has quit IRC 19:52:01 *** triolus[m] has quit IRC 19:52:06 *** triolus[m] has joined #openttd 19:54:08 *** KouDy has quit IRC 19:55:30 *** muffindrake has joined #openttd 20:03:45 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 20:03:48 <glx> michi_cc: done 20:08:28 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 20:16:48 <michi_cc> glx: Thanks. 20:18:13 <LordAro> frosch123: so how about my PRs? :p 20:22:34 <frosch123> no idea, i think i did not check ottd for a month? 20:23:09 <LordAro> pfft. 20:23:20 *** greeter has quit IRC 20:23:46 *** greeter has joined #openttd 20:26:58 <frosch123> to get anything going with bananas, i have to essentially retire ottd 20:27:12 <LordAro> :o 20:27:49 <andythenorth> one thing at a time 20:27:56 <frosch123> one can spent all evening reviewing stuff or checking issues, and then never anything happens 20:28:07 <andythenorth> to get anything going with 64-cargo FIRS, I need to stop playing tanks :P 20:28:22 <andythenorth> ottd is in quite good shape anyway 20:28:31 <andythenorth> maybe TB will go on a review spree 20:29:26 <andythenorth> one reason I quit forums was to avoid spending time talking **** about stuff that will never actually happen :) 20:31:07 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 20:34:57 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 20:37:28 *** ST2 has quit IRC 20:38:36 *** ST2 has joined #openttd 20:43:51 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 20:44:56 *** nauticalnexus has quit IRC 20:44:59 *** nauticalnexus has joined #openttd 20:46:16 *** ccfreak2k has quit IRC 20:48:27 *** ccfreak2k has joined #openttd 20:56:34 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:02:04 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 21:04:09 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:04:32 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 21:10:14 *** planetmaker_ has joined #openttd 21:10:47 <planetmaker_> hehe, I just stumbled over this somewhat unorthodox guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huwt9MKqdaQ 21:11:25 <andythenorth> hello planetmaker_ :) 21:11:52 *** Compu has quit IRC 21:12:19 *** Compu has joined #openttd 21:12:41 <planetmaker_> o/ 21:15:00 <andythenorth> it's pretty good guide 21:15:38 <planetmaker_> it is. And it's kinda funny. Not a boring tutorial 21:18:57 *** johnwhitlow[m] has quit IRC 21:19:03 *** johnwhitlow[m] has joined #openttd 21:21:29 <frosch123> boats! 21:24:17 *** gas1[m] has quit IRC 21:24:23 *** gas1[m] has joined #openttd 21:27:52 <andythenorth> did the video end there because his CPU was pegged? o_O 21:28:25 <Wolf01> 'night 21:28:32 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:41:31 *** Lejving has quit IRC 21:46:19 <peter1138> evening 21:47:32 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 21:47:49 <andythenorth> lo peter1138 21:49:40 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 21:57:48 *** KouDy has quit IRC 22:02:00 <andythenorth> peter1138: is it biking? 22:02:08 <peter1138> it was 22:02:18 <andythenorth> far? 22:04:28 <peter1138> nah only 24 miles 22:04:45 <LordAro> even i did better than that today 22:07:23 <peter1138> nice 22:08:07 <peter1138> these mtb rides are pretty easy going now, as there's a wide range of fitness levels coming along 22:16:53 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:17:22 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:18:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:21:14 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 22:28:34 *** planetmaker_ has quit IRC 22:29:12 *** LJ has quit IRC 22:29:25 *** LJ has joined #openttd 22:32:51 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:38:48 *** Extrems has quit IRC 22:38:53 *** Extrems has joined #openttd 22:40:09 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 22:48:14 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 22:49:01 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 22:56:08 *** reldred has quit IRC 22:56:11 *** reldred has joined #openttd 23:06:25 *** juzza1 has quit IRC 23:06:51 *** juzza1 has joined #openttd 23:10:02 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 23:23:29 *** Alkel_U3 has quit IRC 23:23:44 *** Alkel_U3 has joined #openttd 23:26:57 *** orudge has quit IRC 23:26:58 *** orudge has joined #openttd 23:35:20 *** Tharbakim has quit IRC 23:36:10 *** Tharbakim has joined #openttd 23:38:03 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 23:42:57 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 23:45:05 *** Sheogorath has quit IRC