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00:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that would require a github account 00:16:28 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 00:24:53 *** KouDy has quit IRC 00:33:53 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 00:38:00 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 00:50:27 *** KouDy has quit IRC 01:15:54 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 01:20:36 *** matze has joined #openttd 01:24:18 *** matze has quit IRC 01:35:12 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 01:35:29 *** Thedarkb-T60 has quit IRC 01:48:26 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:59:23 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 02:14:05 *** Extrems has quit IRC 02:19:40 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 02:32:55 *** glx has quit IRC 02:36:19 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 02:36:40 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 02:46:15 *** Extrems has joined #openttd 03:04:48 *** Extrems has quit IRC 03:07:53 *** Extrems has joined #openttd 03:19:35 *** Extrems` has joined #openttd 03:24:55 *** Extrems has quit IRC 03:42:59 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 03:45:28 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 03:58:22 *** haudrauf has quit IRC 03:59:20 *** haudrauf has joined #openttd 04:02:48 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 04:43:44 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 04:45:04 *** KouDy has quit IRC 05:52:39 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 05:59:42 *** KouDy has quit IRC 06:08:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:09:59 <andythenorth> o/ 06:39:00 <peter1138> oh you 06:40:51 <LordAro> is it? 06:46:31 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 06:51:12 <andythenorth> unclear 06:56:26 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 07:06:25 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 07:06:47 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 07:19:31 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 07:29:47 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:33:49 *** siinus` has joined #openttd 07:33:59 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 07:34:20 *** siinus` has quit IRC 08:24:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:00:49 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:01:54 <Wolf01> o/ 09:02:46 <Wolf01> I have 1 month to harass this channel all the day :D 09:10:32 *** grumble2 has joined #openttd 09:11:42 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 09:25:21 <andythenorth> Wolf01: fix NRT :) 09:25:26 <andythenorth> or do something new.... 09:25:44 <Wolf01> I cleaned the car 09:26:01 <Wolf01> What needs to be fixed in NRT? 09:26:15 <andythenorth> something in forums thread 09:26:20 <andythenorth> infinite money hole I thinkj 09:26:35 <Wolf01> Oh, that, design properly the grfs 09:28:16 *** zz_ka6sox has joined #openttd 09:28:32 *** zz_ka6sox has quit IRC 09:37:18 <Wolf01> BTW, I might not be able to see where is the fault, maybe if someone suggests a better formula to calculate the roadtype conversion... 10:11:41 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 10:40:53 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 10:48:26 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> so what exactly is the current formula? 11:14:59 <peter1138> It should... always cost :p 11:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but what exactly is the current formula? 11:20:45 <Wolf01> I should read the code and tell you 11:20:56 <Wolf01> You can avoid a passage by reading the code 11:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it would help to know which code 11:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> (repo, file, line) 11:22:41 <Wolf01> I don't know even which repo I should base my changes to 11:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> then maybe figure that out first :p 11:23:11 <Wolf01> I have a lot of changes, all in standby 11:34:46 <peter1138> uhm 11:35:54 <peter1138> https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/tree/nrt-block < is the one that the PR is from. 11:36:16 <peter1138> I have a later one that was rebased to master and includes 64 road types 11:36:21 <peter1138> Not tested it 11:43:23 <Wolf01> https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/nrt-block/src/road.h#L223 <- Eddi|zuHause 11:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Money rebuildcost = RoadBuildCost(to) - _price[PR_CLEAR_ROAD]; <-- should that be a + here? 11:46:01 <Wolf01> Maybe, yes 11:49:18 <Wolf01> Rail have +, so I think it should be + for road too 11:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so, case closed. 12:07:07 <k-man> what scenarios do you guys like to play? 12:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the last scenario i was playing was USA 12:10:40 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 12:10:50 <andythenorth_> oof 12:11:04 <andythenorth_> laptop migration time 12:11:20 <andythenorth_> 10hrs predicted, over thunderbolt 3 12:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean putting the laptop from mone place to another? 12:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> -m 12:11:38 <andythenorth_> two laptops, one cable :p 12:11:59 <andythenorth_> not the annual relocation to new feeding grounds 12:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't it be faster to open up the laptops and swap hard disks? 12:12:21 <andythenorth_> for many reasons no 12:13:02 <andythenorth_> the primary being the SSD is on the logic board 12:13:14 <andythenorth_> my soldering is not good :p 12:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> in other news, i built this fancy subway, but nobody is using it. i wonder if i made a mistake including required mods or i built the stations wrong 12:13:35 <andythenorth_> is it a cdist bug? 12:13:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no, C:S 12:13:48 <k-man> i just loade a reddit scenario 12:13:58 <k-man> its a hefty one. 12:14:27 <andythenorth_> hmm but backing up only takes 1.5 hours, and that’s over USB 3 :p 12:14:40 <andythenorth_> something is awry 12:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you actually pronounce "awry"? 12:16:27 <andythenorth_> I pronounce it wrong 12:16:49 <andythenorth_> I think it rhymes with rye or fly 12:17:07 <andythenorth_> and a is said like a in apple 12:17:28 <andythenorth_> i rhyme it with story :p 12:17:33 <andythenorth_> i am wrong 12:18:21 <andythenorth_> hmm disk is 2GB/s, cable is 5GB/s, transfer is running at 7MB/s :/ 12:21:03 <Arveen> data too thick for cable 12:21:57 <andythenorth_> ah 12:21:59 <andythenorth_> yes 12:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> write speed of the disk? 12:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong caching policy? 12:22:53 <andythenorth_> 2GB write, 3GB read 12:23:57 <LordAro> is it compressing the data, making it CPU limited? 12:24:46 <andythenorth_> it’s decrypting it, but the performance figures account for that :p 12:25:42 * andythenorth_ files it under ‘lame’ 12:25:47 <LordAro> that's very fast, are you sure? :p 12:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> is that the advertised write speed or the actual long term one? 12:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause> because they typically advertise with the short term one, which means it drops by factor 100 once the cache is full 12:28:17 <Wolf01> /me -> beach 12:29:02 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:30:34 <andythenorth_> nah I’ve benched it 12:30:55 <andythenorth_> those speeds aren’t sustained for small files though 12:31:02 <andythenorth_> probably overhead 12:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well, first you must round up the filesize to the sector size 12:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> because that will be the amount of data "written" no matter how small the file is 12:39:43 <andythenorth_> yes 12:39:57 <andythenorth_> it’s probably stuck in my mail dir 12:40:19 <andythenorth_> doing 1KB files in 4KB blocks 12:41:03 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 12:41:05 <peter1138> 13:15 < Eddi|zuHause> how do you actually pronounce "awry"? 12:41:19 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 12:41:51 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, it is just "a wry", rhyming, indeed, with fly. 12:43:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that would help, if there weren't already half a dozen ways to pronounce "a" 12:43:27 <peter1138> like the "a" in "half a dozen" 12:44:30 <andythenorth_> is that a or a? 12:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that really helps :p 12:44:43 <andythenorth_> half or half? 12:44:46 <peter1138> No, it's a 12:44:51 <andythenorth_> bus or bus? 12:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm also not sure if it would help if english did a spelling reform to account for the changes in pronunciation in the last 300 years 12:47:17 <Eddi|zuHause> at least that would further intensify the split between british and american english 12:50:05 <andythenorth_> there’s also Scottish and Welsh eh 12:50:29 <andythenorth_> and northern English is quite different pronunciation 12:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have dialects in any language 12:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm talking here about a hypothetical "standard english" 12:53:45 <andythenorth_> oic :) 12:54:26 *** Happpy has joined #openttd 12:55:19 *** Happpy has left #openttd 12:57:49 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 13:00:22 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 13:08:27 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 13:09:02 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 13:13:52 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 13:20:50 *** Mahjong has joined #openttd 13:25:14 *** andythen_ has joined #openttd 13:29:56 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 13:29:57 *** andythen_ has quit IRC 13:31:13 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 13:34:19 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 13:34:21 *** IgnoredAmbience has left #openttd 13:38:34 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 13:42:42 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:55:33 *** Jack123610 has joined #openttd 14:07:07 <peter1138> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=83628 14:07:08 <peter1138> hehehehe 14:17:48 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 14:17:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 14:17:58 <Alberth> o/ 14:19:05 *** dvim has joined #openttd 14:43:01 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:56:57 <planetmaker> hihi 15:03:15 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 15:34:01 *** acklen has joined #openttd 15:47:33 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:52:36 <Wolf01> Ahaha 15:52:49 *** ChickeNES has joined #openttd 15:54:20 *** ChickeNES has quit IRC 15:55:18 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:58:17 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 16:00:41 *** dvim has quit IRC 16:17:05 *** Thedarkb-T60 has joined #openttd 16:29:49 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 16:37:58 *** Thedarkb-T60 has quit IRC 16:38:26 *** Thedarkb-T60 has joined #openttd 16:48:25 *** Maarten has quit IRC 16:48:54 *** Thedarkb-T60 has quit IRC 16:51:36 *** kaniini_ has joined #openttd 16:53:56 *** kaniini_ has quit IRC 17:07:55 <Wolf01> Assert on IsPrintable(key) when clicking on rescan newgrf files ingame, can someone reproduce it? 17:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause> probably depends on your installed grfs 17:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so try bisecting your newgrf folder until you can find the file? 17:14:37 <Wolf01> Yes, it was a russian one 17:14:58 <Wolf01> But it didn't assert on the newgrf browser 17:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> then make a bug report with the file 17:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> because the game should correct these kind of external errors 17:16:58 <Wolf01> The main problem is that it doesn't seem to load any grf I put 17:17:05 <Wolf01> "matching file not found" 17:17:20 <Wolf01> Creating a new game 17:22:26 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:28:00 <Wolf01> peter1138: https://gist.github.com/Wolfolo/a9c22553e1a3ce3eabd23bb020c6e783 17:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "convert dost" 17:28:54 <Wolf01> Dost 17:29:19 <Wolf01> I have banana fingers 17:35:57 <peter1138> Posting diffs about like that seems to somewhat defeat the point of git. 17:36:47 <nielsm> so what's the difference? 17:36:58 <Wolf01> Eh, I don't have a ready repo, and I don't think I have commit rights on yours 17:42:04 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:42:53 <peter1138> nielsm, gist is basically a fancy pastebin. 17:44:29 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 17:47:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:52:26 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 17:54:11 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 18:02:15 <nielsm> peter1138: yes I know, I'm referring to the actual contents that Wolf01 linked, it's a diff but I don't see anything different between the two +- lines 18:02:26 <peter1138> Oh 18:02:33 <peter1138> It is literally + vs - 18:06:21 <nielsm> haha I was staring myself blind looking at everything but the operator 18:09:42 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:12:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:14:22 <andythenorth> oof 18:14:36 <andythenorth> also hi 18:17:47 <frosch123> did you told tab while driving home? 18:18:08 <frosch123> *hold 18:18:46 <nielsm> so how's progress on nml? :) 18:22:00 <andythenorth> I'm holding tab trying to migrate between laptops faster :P 18:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i need a script that checks swap usage (like in iotop), and triggers if swap usage of a process is >99% for an amount of time 18:22:11 <andythenorth> nielsm: nml is not so progress 18:22:13 <andythenorth> sorry 18:22:20 <andythenorth> new laptop arrrived, need to transfer to it 18:22:32 <andythenorth> 5MB/s over thunderbolt 3 is not helping 18:22:45 <andythenorth> it's supposed to be 100MB/s - 400MB/s 18:22:46 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #6879: Fix: Some pixels in ship autoreplace icon (sprite 106) were transparent. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6879 18:22:47 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN pushed 1 commits to master: 18:22:47 <DorpsGek_II> - Fix: Some pixels in ship autoreplace icon (sprite 106) were transparent. (by PeterN) 18:22:48 <DorpsGek_II> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/af043df5a3b0 18:22:54 <andythenorth> oooooh 18:22:56 <andythenorth> a bot 18:26:59 *** tokai has joined #openttd 18:26:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 18:29:49 <LordAro> woah novel 18:30:18 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> new laptop arrrived, need to transfer to it <- purchased a surface pro or still with those iToys? 18:30:34 <andythenorth> same as the old one, only more CPUs 18:31:16 <andythenorth> it's irritatingly close to awesome 18:31:28 <andythenorth> just a few minor flaws, like the keyboard doesn't work 18:31:49 <Wolf01> "I bought a new car, but the steering wheel doesn't work" 18:31:53 <andythenorth> that yes 18:31:59 <andythenorth> but think of the price premium 18:32:11 <andythenorth> I have a really *good* not-working steering wheel 18:32:42 <andythenorth> oof USB 3 is not fast enough 18:33:26 <Wolf01> Buy the new docking station 18:33:47 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 18:37:29 <peter1138> My laptop's a Core2Duo, woo. 18:40:58 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 18:41:36 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 18:42:44 *** madmax28 has joined #openttd 18:43:30 <madmax28> Hey. I'm wondering why i have grid lines on the main menu, but when i create a game i don't. Is there a way I can enable them? 18:43:52 <peter1138> You have a NewGRF enabled that removes them. 18:44:16 <peter1138> Gridlines are not an in-game option, they are baked into the graphics sets. 18:44:40 <Arveen> somehow I thought there is an option to toggle them 18:45:12 <madmax28> Indeed. I disabled all of them and the grid lines appeared... now only to find out which one removes them :) 18:47:09 <Arveen> ah, it was an property in OpenGFX+ Landscapes settings 18:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i was in cities skylines asset editor, and it crashed. and took whole of steam with it? 18:59:10 <andythenorth> :o 18:59:11 <andythenorth> oof 18:59:23 <andythenorth> Wolf01: what docking station? :P 19:02:16 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:05:24 *** Alberth has left #openttd 19:19:44 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 19:22:42 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 19:23:26 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 19:33:32 *** Thedarkb-T60 has joined #openttd 19:39:13 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 19:42:51 <Wolf01> andythenorth: the ones to let you charge while using a thumb drive etc 19:43:24 <andythenorth> some people at work have dongles for that 19:43:28 <andythenorth> I find them weird but eh 19:43:35 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause: I'm about to download CS, any suggestion on how to start a successfull game 19:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i think i modded C:S to death again 19:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: i haven't really had trouble starting out. just stay away from policies, as they are difficult to get a feeling how much they cost you 19:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: traffic will become a nightmare without traffic manager mod 19:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: and get the mass transit addon, snowfall is also great if you like trams 19:46:08 *** glx has joined #openttd 19:46:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 19:46:12 <nielsm> well first you have to define "successful game" :) 19:46:18 <Wolf01> I tried CiM and I like it's more oriented to transports than CXL, but I didn't manage to build any successfull route :( 19:46:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played either of those 19:47:08 <Wolf01> I always fail on these games because there is too much to do, I'm used to tycoons 19:47:20 <Wolf01> But I also like to build cities 19:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i've tried getting the Metro Overhaul Mod to work, but i think i tried too many things at once and it fell apart 19:49:55 *** Neon has joined #openttd 19:50:32 <Neon> Hello. The wiki says I could change never_expire_vehicles during a running game, but in my game in the settings window the button is disabled and set to off. 19:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> are you in multiplayer? 19:51:11 <Neon> Yes. 19:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why 19:51:25 <Neon> But I'm the host. 19:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but some settings can't be changed in multiplayer 19:51:50 <Neon> No chance? 19:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> must stop the server, change it in singleplayer, and start the server again 19:52:19 <Neon> That's a weird logic. 19:52:32 <Neon> Will the resetengines command work? 19:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> also only in singleplayer 19:52:48 <glx> yes in single player mode 19:53:48 <Neon> Thanks for the info. 19:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Neon: the problem is that all the engine stats changes must be communicated to the clients, which the setting was never designed to do, so the server must be stopped and restarted 19:54:36 <Neon> Ah, I see. 19:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Neon: the players will get a complete savegame on rejoin, which takes account of all the changes 20:17:29 *** Mahjong has quit IRC 20:17:51 *** Mahjong has joined #openttd 20:25:54 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:47:52 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:00:06 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:00:30 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:01:36 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:38:56 <Wolf01> @seen __ln__ 21:38:56 <DorpsGek> Wolf01: __ln__ was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <__ln__> TrueBrain: also, how hard can it be to figure out my comment COULD be related to a repo that was mentioned on the previous line? 21:39:03 <Wolf01> Mmmh 21:44:35 <LordAro> rip 21:55:02 *** Thedarkb-T60 has quit IRC 22:05:04 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:08:47 *** Neon has quit IRC 22:17:43 *** KouDy has quit IRC 22:27:48 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 22:31:43 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:36:19 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 22:57:33 *** HeyCitizen has joined #openttd 22:57:58 *** HeyCitiz- has joined #openttd 23:05:38 *** HeyCitizen has quit IRC 23:19:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:53:07 *** madmax28 has quit IRC 23:57:46 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd