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00:20:44 *** tokai has joined #openttd 00:20:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 00:27:42 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 01:09:00 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 01:14:47 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 01:25:58 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 01:27:12 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 01:33:19 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:12:18 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 02:22:37 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:25:58 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:56:04 *** Samu has quit IRC 02:58:01 *** glx has quit IRC 04:01:53 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #7613: Generating too many news messages at once crashes the game. https://git.io/fj2dR 04:26:02 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #7625: Road infrastructure counts are not updated properly, free money exploit with infrastructure maintenance https://git.io/fj2da 05:02:31 *** Progman has joined #openttd 06:10:56 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:41:01 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:41:53 <andythenorth> bonjour 06:53:06 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 07:10:04 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:39:58 *** nielsm has quit IRC 07:46:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:42:08 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 09:02:55 <andythenorth> livestock feldbahn? 09:03:02 * andythenorth mumbles stuff 09:03:35 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:12:51 <nielsm> I have a feeling livestock would usually just be herded the distances feldbahn would typically run over 09:17:51 <Wolf01> So I found why sometimes I seem to eat keystrokes. I should not connect mouse and keyboard to the same hub 09:18:21 <nielsm> USB should not be doing that 09:18:56 <Wolf01> Indeed 09:20:54 <andythenorth> the 'feldbahn' I'm doing is really all-purpose industrial trains 09:21:03 <andythenorth> it's just shorter to write 'feldbahn' :D 09:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth, nielsm: i think for gameplay reasons it should transport any cargo 09:36:57 <andythenorth> yeah 09:37:02 <andythenorth> so I had an idea 09:37:11 <andythenorth> now that we have 64 cargos in a game 09:37:18 <andythenorth> instead of using GEAR for refits 09:37:33 <andythenorth> there could be more cargos for refits, so that auto-replace works 09:38:01 <andythenorth> allowing different vehicle types using cargo refit 09:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> autorefit doesn't work if you have more than one cargo in a consist 09:38:11 <andythenorth> there's always a thing eh? 09:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm sure there's more reasons why that's a bad idea 09:39:41 <andythenorth> there are going to be quite a lot of feldbahn trains then :P 09:39:52 <andythenorth> due to needing different lengths 09:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that's the smallest problem 10:27:53 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 10:29:01 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 10:38:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:39:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:42:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:52:31 *** Progman has quit IRC 11:14:32 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:26:51 <peter1138> Hmm, is it lunch time? I had breakfast at ~ 6:30... 11:27:56 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 11:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's apparently not dup time... https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-de/2019-06/msg00128.html 11:49:58 *** Speedy` has quit IRC 11:54:17 <nielsm> the authors of both the "real-time patch" and "stations extend across tunnels/bridges" threads on the forum come across as very arrogant to me... I can't even stand reading their posts :s 11:55:04 <peter1138> I wrote bridges-over-stations (which is the same thing) about 10 years ago. 11:55:31 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, I... don't understand a word of that. 12:14:32 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 12:27:16 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 12:36:37 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: how dare you! :p 13:12:05 *** spnda has joined #openttd 13:12:17 *** gnu_jj_ has joined #openttd 13:16:02 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 13:16:02 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 13:31:46 *** gnu_jj_ has quit IRC 13:34:38 *** gnu_jj has joined #openttd 13:35:13 *** gnu_jj_ has joined #openttd 13:43:02 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 13:55:18 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 13:56:53 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 14:07:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i like that xkcd still puts a suggestive blue "click here" in the picture... but i need to set up a filter for this massive promo picture that has no relevance to me 14:08:12 *** arikover has joined #openttd 14:09:13 <dwfreed> Eddi|zuHause: use the mobile site, m.xkcd.com; it's better anyway, because you don't have to hover over the picture for the alt text 14:09:43 <dwfreed> oh, it's there too 14:09:49 <dwfreed> but at least it's on the bottom there 14:09:55 <dwfreed> but *shrug* 14:19:12 *** gnu_jj has joined #openttd 14:20:11 *** gnu_jj__ has joined #openttd 14:24:12 *** gnu_jj_ has quit IRC 14:27:42 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 14:41:07 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:00:02 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 15:02:04 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:08:17 *** Compu has joined #openttd 15:17:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:31:53 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:36:50 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 15:38:50 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:39:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:39:17 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:39:19 <andythenorth> o/ 15:39:52 <andythenorth> oof, I had to use my backup drive 15:40:08 <andythenorth> that's rare, most things are on cloud services with history :P 15:43:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:49:13 *** Gumle2 has joined #openttd 16:31:37 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:27:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:28:17 <andythenorth> the downside of cloud services with history is.... 17:28:27 <andythenorth> when the 'undelete' button looks similar to 'delete permanently' 17:34:56 <dwfreed> smash them over the head 17:35:13 <dwfreed> this is why I have text button labels on in gmail 17:35:24 <dwfreed> because I don't want to try to figure out wtf the icons mean 17:36:53 <andythenorth> very such 17:37:09 <andythenorth> ok so all livestock vehicles are named stuff like 17:37:11 <andythenorth> "stungun" 17:37:17 <andythenorth> "cowsleigh" 17:37:34 <andythenorth> "trotalong" 17:37:37 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:37:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:37:46 <andythenorth> "pigstick" 17:37:53 <andythenorth> it's a weak joke, but eh 17:37:54 <andythenorth> I need more 17:38:12 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 17:46:22 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:13:32 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:16:41 <planetmaker> hi hi 18:22:02 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:24:46 <andythenorth> hi planetmaker 19:51:33 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 19:51:57 *** nakki has quit IRC 19:53:56 *** nakki has joined #openttd 19:56:41 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes you should do only strong jokes or no jokes. 19:59:18 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:00:45 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 20:03:31 *** Gumle2 has joined #openttd 20:09:35 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 20:10:46 <snail_UES_> could we make a vehicle know which railtype it is on, when it’s in a depot? 20:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> snail_UES_: does pr #7000 help with that? 20:13:51 <snail_UES_> Eddi|zuHause: what do you mean? 20:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7000 20:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> if you could try that out and give some feedback on whether it solves your issues or needs more stuff, that would be great? 20:20:42 <snail_UES_> sounds pretty interesting 20:21:03 <snail_UES_> so far, however, there isn’t any way for a railtype to “communicate 20:21:17 <snail_UES_> “ its powered status… apart from the presence of a catenary 20:21:40 <snail_UES_> and there are powered tracks with no catenary at all (3rd rail is an example of that) 20:22:02 <snail_UES_> also, I’ll need max axle weight, which seems not covered by this 20:22:12 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 20:23:11 <nielsm> 3rd rail, 4th rail, catenary are imo all different types of poweredness, you wouldn't want a train with pantographs up running on a line with only 3rd rail 20:23:39 <nielsm> in other words, "is powered" is not an interesting property for a railtype 20:23:39 <snail_UES_> right 20:23:59 <nielsm> the engine just needs a railtype compatible with whichever base type it needs 20:24:34 <snail_UES_> my initial point was to be able to “do something” if a vehicle is in a depot with a specific railtype 20:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause> snail_UES_: you can already read the powered flag. the additional stuff in #7000 is e.g. for having hybrid vehicles 20:25:13 <snail_UES_> yes, but does it work if a vehicle is in a depot? 20:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i think so 20:25:29 <snail_UES_> ok... 20:25:36 <snail_UES_> but it wouldn’t work with different axle weights, would it? 20:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:25:52 <snail_UES_> right.. so it wouldn’t solve my problem 20:26:30 <Eddi|zuHause> with #7000 you could maybe check that 20:26:39 <snail_UES_> I’d like my vehicles to figure out which depot they’re being built in. “Heavy” and “light” unpowered tracks are compatible, but a “heavy” vehicle will run at a crippled max speed on “light” tracks 20:26:52 <snail_UES_> I’d like to be able to visually display that when you’re builing a train in a depot 20:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, it definitely won't work during purchase 20:27:19 <snail_UES_> how about during consist building in a depot? 20:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you have no way of saving that, i think 20:28:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably talked about that in #7000, but didn't implement it 20:28:24 <snail_UES_> well, again, if a vehicle knew what kind of depot it’s sitting in, this would work 20:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> how would it remember that once it left the depot? 20:29:15 <snail_UES_> once it leaves the depot, it can check the current railtype. It’s already happening now 20:29:37 <snail_UES_> say I’m building a “heavy” train on a “light” track 20:29:51 <snail_UES_> I’m buying the vehicles and creating my consist in the depot, everything looks fine 20:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i didn't understand your idea right... 20:30:07 <snail_UES_> then I start the train and notice it’s going at a crawling speed 20:30:14 <snail_UES_> because the track is too light 20:30:47 <snail_UES_> ideally, if I build a “heavy” train in a “light” depot, there should be an icon on top of the train (for example) that warns me about that 20:31:14 <snail_UES_> and I can only achieve this if the train can check what kind of depot it’s sitting in 20:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see why that wouldn't work already 20:31:50 <snail_UES_> because I think the “veh_railtype” (in m4nfo) only works outside of a depot 20:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> main problem with the existing variables is that you need to know the exact railtypes 20:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not future proof with different railtype sets 20:33:29 <snail_UES_> Eddi|zuHause: that is not the problem 20:33:36 <snail_UES_> I’m already handling them all within my set 20:34:12 <snail_UES_> I already built a function that sets the max speed of each consist, as a result of the combination between engine type and rail type 20:34:58 <snail_UES_> the issue is that sometimes I carelessly build a consist with a heavier axle weight than the tracks can handle 20:35:12 <snail_UES_> and it’d be nice for the player to visually see that in the depot, as he’s building the consist 20:35:37 <snail_UES_> rather than noticing that once the train is already moving 20:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i still don't see why that wouldn't work in the depot 20:37:52 <frosch123> the track_type is not available in the purchase view, because we did not know what to return in the "available vehicles" list, which has no depot 20:38:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but "purchase list" is not the samea as "in depot" 20:38:47 <frosch123> but maybe you can fake that by returning the native track type of the vehicle itself 20:39:31 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i recharged the batteries to my crystal ball 20:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> [15.06.19 22:27] <Eddi|zuHause> oh, it definitely won't work during purchase 20:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> [15.06.19 22:27] <snail_UES_> how about during consist building in a depot? 20:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought i already covered that 20:52:13 <snail_UES_> I’ll do more tests… 20:54:19 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, the changes in #7000 are mostly about not having to list all current and future potential railtypes that the game might have 20:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> (that nml doesn't know about procedure calls doesn't really help with that approach, also) 20:58:27 *** Gumle2 has quit IRC 21:03:55 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest5206 21:03:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 21:04:03 <andythenorth> hmm 21:04:10 <andythenorth> I need names for 16 livestock feldbahn trains 21:04:13 <andythenorth> 16 seems a lot eh 21:04:32 <andythenorth> how about....using cargo subtype to set electric / diesel / steam engine? 21:04:49 <snail_UES_> andythenorth: how so? 21:05:25 <andythenorth> use a railtype that works on all, then set subtype in cargo refit 21:05:30 <andythenorth> then use that to set power, effects 21:05:34 <andythenorth> it's a terrible idea 21:06:12 *** Guest5206 has quit IRC 21:06:14 <andythenorth> this is for trams, not actual trains btw 21:06:36 <andythenorth> 16 livestock trams, 16 hopper trams, 16 tanker trams etc etc 21:06:40 <andythenorth> it's daft 21:06:46 * andythenorth must to rethink 21:07:15 <andythenorth> could we somehow make subtypes work with auto-replace? 21:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> how about....using cargo subtype to set electric / diesel / steam engine? <-- i'm not sure if you've had worse ideas 21:09:57 <andythenorth> I could look in my irc logs 21:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: subtypes work with autoreplace, so long as you keep the same name and order 21:10:02 <andythenorth> I've gone pretty low 21:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i've probably destroyed my system, let's reboot 21:12:22 <andythenorth> oof 21:12:31 <andythenorth> keyborq 21:13:08 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 21:14:07 <snail_UES_> ah Eddi just left... 21:14:29 <snail_UES_> I did some tests, indeed I can change graphics in a depot according to the railtype. I was doing something weird on my end 21:14:38 <snail_UES_> but now I have a follow-up question... 21:15:01 <snail_UES_> it seems I can’t change a sprite recoloring according to where it’s displayed? such as in depot, in GUI, in viewport… ? 21:15:12 <snail_UES_> does it mean I’m forced to use sprite stacking? 21:16:34 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:17:36 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 21:19:15 <frosch123> yes 21:19:27 <frosch123> the old recolouring callback is cached and affects everything 21:19:41 <frosch123> the sprite stack recoloring is always associated to specific sprites 21:27:58 <snail_UES_> got it 21:28:18 <snail_UES_> that’s why I thought I couldn’t change graphics in a depot. I was actually using recoloring 21:28:21 <snail_UES_> I’ll change my code 21:28:36 <snail_UES_> thanks :) 21:30:44 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 21:52:08 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:32:20 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:42:46 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 22:52:26 *** Laedek has quit IRC 23:06:44 <spnda> Shouldn't strings written into english.txt automatically be declared as a StringID when building? 23:06:57 <nielsm> yes 23:07:57 <nielsm> if you're working in MS visual studio, often it doesn't refresh properly and the intellisense tools claim the new StringID constants don't exist 23:08:30 <spnda> I had build errors claiming it was undefined. I had that before that IntelliSense didn't catch it instantly 23:08:58 <spnda> I think it's not complaining anymore though after another build... So that's good 23:13:42 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:16:32 *** arikover has quit IRC 23:43:35 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 23:45:39 *** spnda has quit IRC